PvP in Secret Passage is now 100% allowed!

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · September 2011

ChaoticShelly wrote: »

After stating my concerns to Frankie it seems PWE's current stance is that "You don't have to do these quests". However, questing is a part of this game and some people want to do it regardless of the current easy, fast and buy-able level 100.

I don't agree with this stance. I believe questing, especially at lower levels is vital to communicating with the community, engaging with players and introducing the game mechanics and learning process about your selected race/class.

I enjoyed doing the quests in SP as a new player making its way in the world of PWI. I enjoyed defeating Silver frost. I enjoy helping others achieving the same thing.

People don't have to do quests there, but that shouldn't matter, they want to. And that's all that's important.

Looks like I won't be helping lowbies do bh29 anymore. Also, actually they do have to do those quests. What money do genunie new players have to pay for fc runs? How are they supposed to level before BH40 if they can't complete quests? Any quests before level 40 and all quests required for culti chains should be considered required, IMHO.

titangie · September 2011

Think its good? Know how many pms I got from the nubs in my faction asking why they can not do there quests in SP? Wonder why? Beause they keep getting pked by the higher levs. Have to actualy go in and act as armed escort for them. I agree with the idea of a pk zone but do it in an area for higher lev people so the nubs do not get caught in the cross fire. Sp was a stupid idea take a section of the map that no one hardly ever uses and do it there.

Blancheneige - Heavens Tear · September 2011

@Frankie : lol

Unless you put a GM there 24/7 tho check and ban the griefer, this decision is the most stupid PWE ever made.

If you want to make a open PVP area, you already have one : the Arena in most starting cities.

Unless the devs in Cjhina are too incompetent to reopen them after having closed them for no reasons at all?

Please bring back Spoon, at least HE knew is job as a community manager...Your message only show you have very little knowledge of this game....

Ms_Mystic - Heavens Tear · September 2011

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

Dramatic much? It's one place on the entire server where you are only required to visit ONCE in your entire character's life.

That once gets new meaning when you have an active character in every class like I do. 3 of them I do not worry about since they are over lvl 100 and can hold their own in the PVP world like they do in TW and PVP mode. Not all of my characters are that high yet. NONE of my characters got their lvl by following high lvls through FF at a price. I got there by quests and grinding. I also found that getting people to help open the door so I can solo TT in squad mode is good to make coin for armor and weapons.

Mystx - Heavens Tear · September 2011

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

Ever heard of Illusion Stone?

Hai.

a new player gets fb tab 29 does it say on it goto the illusion stone?

Mystx - Heavens Tear · September 2011

Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I have but new players just coming to the game wont. There is no quest in this game that says that the Illusion Stone will teleport you into FB 29. b:bye

ty thats what i meant lol

Fulcanelli - Raging Tide · September 2011

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

Low levels have no need to be in SP. Silverfrost is the only thing that's really needed in there. That's once in a character's playing life. There won't be people in SP 24/7.

low levels don't need to be in SP??

I don't fkn care about what you think low levels players need or not, the bottom line is that the devs made a pk area from an instance meant to low-mid levels.

You know what is no needed it in a low-mid level area?

Fkn forced open PK!!!

Michael_Dark - Lost City · September 2011

frankieraye wrote: »

Hey all,

For our last patch, the developers decided to try something new - in keeping with the momentum of the PWIC tournament, they decided to give the players on the PW China servers a fully open PVP instance - they turned Secret Passage into a full PK zone.

Since our version almost 100% mirrors the Chinese version functionality-wise, we now have the same thing.

While this change is quite jarring, we think it will actually ultimately be a positive one, and for these reasons:

1. Players have been asking for a place to PVP without dropping gear for a long time. This new Secret Passage fulfills that role.

2. Secret Passage is not a mandatory instance for Spiritual Cultivation. Mobs needed for culti can be found just outside the instance as well.

3. Those who need to enter the Hall of Deception instance can use the various Illusion Stones in Archosaur (one is at 529,664).

So, in short, we're going to change this rule and monitor the situation. We do have a lot of high level players who would like to enter the world of PvP, and I believe that this new version of the Secret Passage will give them that opportunity.

So please let me know if you have any questions, and I'd like to mention a special thank you to KrittyCat who worked really hard to talk with and help players during this most interesting situation.

Wow, good job. This might actually make playing a little more fun for some people.

Okeano - Harshlands · September 2011

Mystx - Heavens Tear wrote: »

a new player gets fb tab 29 does it say on it goto the illusion stone?

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

In the time it takes for you to run to SP then run through it, you can kill enough mobs for the 5000 coins fee.

Well, you have to learn it sometime. What a great change. This will introduce the Illusion stones to more players.

And unless that new player is planing to solo it, his squad probably heard of it too.

StormChimera - Lost City · September 2011

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Looks like I won't be helping lowbies do bh29 anymore. Also, actually they do have to do those quests. What money do genunie new players have to pay for fc runs? How are they supposed to level before BH40 if they can't complete quests? Any quests before level 40 and all quests required for culti chains should be considered required, IMHO.

well they have the new daily Emmisary quests now and depending on which ones you get (white,blue or purple) you get a nice bit of exp. plus with the addition of Earthguard there are new lvl 20-3x quests. my character have been leveling off them with ease

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear · September 2011

StormChimera - Lost City wrote: »

Fbs do not go towards building your character there for are not "needed" silverfrost is the only boss there that is actually needed to advance your character

guess what else is needed to advance your character? cube room 34. hey, i could've sworn we had a hundred-pages-long QQ thread on the PK inherent in that as well just a while ago... lots and lots of folks were saying stuff like "you don't really need that culti".

now okeano's taking the tack that "you only need it once". well, yeah, you can't usually run a culti quest twice. i'd try to understand the cretinism inherent in that ****-poor excuse, but the attempt would cost me way more otherwise healthy neurons than i can afford to kill off just now.

Solandri - Heavens Tear · September 2011

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

Having bosses in there is part of the fun isn't it? What's the point of a PK instance if no one needs to go in there?

MasamuneXero - Sanctuary wrote: »

Translation:

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Let us enjoy pvp.

The thing you two are missing is that you can already enjoy PvP on the PvE servers. See that PvP switch? Toggle it, and you and everyone else who wishes to PvP can PvP to your heart's content almost anywhere in the game. Nothing is stopping you. The only restriction is that you can't PvP people who don't wish to PvP (blue names).

The only thing this change to SP adds to your PvPing spectrum is the ability to kill people who don't want to PvP - people who otherwise would have been blue-named in SP. This change serves no purposes except to serve dedicated PvE players' heads on a platter to PvPers.

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

All you QQers suck it up. Like anyone still does Shade Eido and Dismal. They probably will move Silverfrost anyways. I don't see how you PvE-only guys find only killing mobs and bosses that barely fight back fun.

You realize how hypocritical it is for you to criticize people having fun "killing mobs and bosses that barely fight back," while you are simultaneously applauding a change which allows you to have fun killing players who don't want to fight back?

Okeano - Harshlands · September 2011

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »

now okeano's taking the tack that "you only need it once". well, yeah, you can't usually run a culti quest twice. i'd try to understand the cretinism inherent in that ****-poor excuse, but the attempt would cost me way more otherwise healthy neurons than i can afford to kill off just now.

I mentioned "once" because people are acting like the entire PvE servers are now all open PK.

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You realize how hypocritical it is for you to criticize people having fun "killing mobs and bosses that barely fight back," while you are simultaneously applauding a change which allows you to have fun killing players who don't want to fight back?

If you don't know me peronally, yes. I don't PK lowbies. The faction I have been with on HL my entire time on HL wasn't even random-PK until a few months ago when the faction was on the verge of dying off.

Quilue - Sanctuary · September 2011

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »

guess what else is needed to advance your character? cube room 34. hey, i could've sworn we had a hundred-pages-long QQ thread on the PK inherent in that as well just a while ago... lots and lots of folks were saying stuff like "you don't really need that culti".

now okeano's taking the tack that "you only need it once". well, yeah, you can't usually run a culti quest twice. i'd try to understand the cretinism inherent in that ****-poor excuse, but the attempt would cost me way more otherwise healthy neurons than i can afford to kill off just now.

False...you do not need room 34 to pass culti.

StormChimera - Lost City · September 2011

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »

guess what else is needed to advance your character? cube room 34. hey, i could've sworn we had a hundred-pages-long QQ thread on the PK inherent in that as well just a while ago... lots and lots of folks were saying stuff like "you don't really need that culti".

now okeano's taking the tack that "you only need it once". well, yeah, you can't usually run a culti quest twice. i'd try to understand the cretinism inherent in that ****-poor excuse, but the attempt would cost me way more otherwise healthy neurons than i can afford to kill off just now.

the comment about the cube pk QQing. lets face it this community is going to QQ about something. they always have always will. this is just another change in the system that some are going to hate and some are going to enjoy and both parties of the argument are going to have to either learn to live with it or move on.

i still do find it quite funny that all this abuse in pk be it cube or secret passage seems to be coming from the PvE servers. i never hear any one complain about it from the PvP servers and we have people who do not enjoy rpk just as much as PvE servers

Barunaa - Heavens Tear · September 2011

i cant say i dislike this change. i actually like it tbh. but its a huge troll to alot of the anti PvP ppl lawl

Blancheneige - Heavens Tear · September 2011

ChaoticShelly wrote: »

After stating my concerns to Frankie it seems PWE's current stance is that "You don't have to do these quests". However, questing is a part of this game and some people want to do it regardless of the current easy, fast and buy-able level 100.

I don't agree with this stance. I believe questing, especially at lower levels is vital to communicating with the community, engaging with players and introducing the game mechanics and learning process about your selected race/class.

I enjoyed doing the quests in SP as a new player making its way in the world of PWI. I enjoyed defeating Silver frost. I enjoy helping others achieving the same thing.

People don't have to do quests there, but that shouldn't matter, they want to. And that's all that's important.

Then why don't you support us by resigning from your position as a forum mod?

Action speak much more than simple words....

Ms_Mystic - Heavens Tear · September 2011

frankieraye wrote: »

Hey all,

For our last patch, the developers decided to try something new - in keeping with the momentum of the PWIC tournament, they decided to give the players on the PW China servers a fully open PVP instance - they turned Secret Passage into a full PK zone.

Since our version almost 100% mirrors the Chinese version functionality-wise, we now have the same thing.

While this change is quite jarring, we think it will actually ultimately be a positive one, and for these reasons:

1. Players have been asking for a place to PVP without dropping gear for a long time. This new Secret Passage fulfills that role.

2. Secret Passage is not a mandatory instance for Spiritual Cultivation. Mobs needed for culti can be found just outside the instance as well.

3. Those who need to enter the Hall of Deception instance can use the various Illusion Stones in Archosaur (one is at 529,664).

So, in short, we're going to change this rule and monitor the situation. We do have a lot of high level players who would like to enter the world of PvP, and I believe that this new version of the Secret Passage will give them that opportunity.

So please let me know if you have any questions, and I'd like to mention a special thank you to KrittyCat who worked really hard to talk with and help players during this most interesting situation.

Maybe I missed something. You said every boss needed to do your culti. Where is Silverfrost just outside of the instance? We need Silverfrost to get into OHT and we can not do the lvl 100 culti without being able to get into OHT. The illusion stone will not bring us to Silverfrost.

TheDan - Sanctuary · September 2011

You can't even drop stuff as a blue name in Secret Passage, why are people still moaning about dying in there? You can just lure Silver Frost to safe zone.

I could understand if there was actually something at stake to lose by dying in there, but there isn't.

StormChimera - Lost City · September 2011

Blancheneige - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Then why don't you support us by resigning from your position as a forum mod?

Action speak much more than simple words....

yes cause getting rid of one of the few active mods Pwi has on the forums will make a huge change *end sarcasm*

plus if she/he resigned they would just hire another one

Blancheneige - Heavens Tear · September 2011

MasamuneXero - Sanctuary wrote: »

Translation:

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Let us enjoy pvp.

Then why did you not rolled on a PVP server?

Ah yes, you suck way too much to fight against the REAL PVPers that rolled there themselves.....b:fatbb:spit

tycoon · September 2011

Im all for a place to pvp on the pve server but making sp the place was a bad idea, mobs in sp can found outside? Can shade dismal and eido be found outside?

There are lots of players that ignore the pvp going on in the entrance and go right for people doing bosses , you guys didnt put much thought into any of this. Instead of making the original arena available to players you made it difficult lowbies to get stuff done.

chaoticshelly · September 2011

Blancheneige - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Then why don't you support us by resigning from your position as a forum mod?

Action speak much more than simple words....

What does it have anything to do with support? I'm a player like yourself. A unpaid volunteer. Resigning will do nothing, and no, I don't plan on doing such thing any time soon.

Ms_Mystic - Heavens Tear · September 2011

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

You can't even drop stuff as a blue name in Secret Passage, why are people still moaning about dying in there? You can just lure Silver Frost to safe zone.

I could understand if there was actually something at stake to lose by dying in there, but there isn't.

Every time you die you return to Orchid Temple. How do you get to Silver Frost if you are repeatedly killed by invisible sins twice your lvl every time you even enter SP. Maybe it works in your server but it does not work in HT.

VenoMKII - Harshlands · September 2011

ChaoticShelly wrote: »

What does it have anything to do with support? I'm a player like yourself. A unpaid volunteer. Resigning will do nothing, and no, I don't plan on doing such thing any time soon.

sadface.

Place would be just little better if you resigned.

Foxy_Fiona - Heavens Tear · September 2011

I understand that support has probably been flooded with so many reports that they can't possibly process all of them, but this was not the best solution to the problem.

The blue names on PvE servers need to be untouchable. It should be fairly obvious that majority of us don't want to PK because A) we are on a PvE server and

we aren't in PK mode. If people want to PK they should be in PK mode. I don't think it's unfair that several of them will be stuck in SP if they don't want to risk losing their gear if they go outside while in PK mode.

Nobody should be forced to pay 5k to enter fb29 just because PWI is allowing a bunch of bored high levels to hang out in the area they need to travel through in order to get to their destination. I'm sure as hell not paying 15k just to help people that may have no idea what stacking is. I don't even want to pay 5k. It's as if we are being punished for not wanting to PvP just so people that want to can do it without losing anything... how the hell does that make sense on a PvE server?

I have no desire to PvP. I will go into PK mode or join a PvP server if I ever get the urge.

Okeano - Harshlands · September 2011

ChaoticShelly wrote: »

What does it have anything to do with support? I'm a player like yourself. A unpaid volunteer. Resigning will do nothing, and no, I don't plan on doing such thing any time soon.

Yeah didn't think so.

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear · September 2011

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

False...you do not need room 34 to pass culti.

Let's not start that argument of technicality again.

chaoticshelly · September 2011

VenoMKII - Harshlands wrote: »

sadface.

Place would be just little better if you resigned.

Aw little troll, you'll just have to suffer me a little longer b:mischievous

StormChimera - Lost City · September 2011

VenoMKII - Harshlands wrote: »

sadface.

Place would be just little better if you resigned.

why would it be better. shelly actually does her job and because she does it she gets criticized. Do you think you can do a better job? close peoples thread, pass on information to frankie and deal with this community's bull **** every day for free like she does and not have people complain about you. i think not

PvP in Secret Passage is now 100% allowed!

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