Lol pay 2 win

OggoKing - Sanctuary · June 2011

lol look at boutique you can buy packs = lunar and end game gear + buy rep and medals for r9 lol b:laugh Talking about free2play? Only thing still able to play with free gear is PVE LOLLL who plays pve? Okay maybe FCC because its so great lol b:victoryb:laugh

byeb:victory

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary · June 2011

The best thing about PWI is that anybody can buy anything in the cash-shop without ever using real cash.

So it gives people 3 choices:

Pay to win
Play smart to win
Play a lot to win

XMasqueradex - Lost City · June 2011

OggoKing - Sanctuary wrote: »

lol look at boutique you can buy packs = lunar and end game gear + buy rep and medals for r9 lol b:laugh Talking about free2play? Only thing still able to play with free gear is PVE LOLLL who plays pve? Okay maybe FCC because its so great lol b:victoryb:laugh

byeb:victory

point of this is whyb:question

ZAPATON - Sanctuary · June 2011

XMasqueradex - Lost City wrote: »

point of this is whyb:question

The point is: he woke up on troll-o-mode today.

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver · June 2011

He is prolly upset that he charged 150 bucks and spent it on packs..to get nothing than tokens and one platinum charm

RainbowVidel - Sanctuary · June 2011

OggoKing - Sanctuary wrote: »

who plays pve?

I do. Problem?

Razorburn - Dreamweaver · June 2011

Maybe 6 months from now or less poeple will realize that there is no reason to ever sell gold for coin because coin is useless. Everything good can be bought for for progressively lower amounts of gold
Once that happens it will stip away all illusions of being free to play anything other than chat an walk around an some lesser of the pve content. What will people do with thier useless million an billions of coins?

Daedallus - Sanctuary · June 2011

Razorburn - Dreamweaver wrote: »

What will people do with thier useless million an billions of coins?

Give them to me? I hope? b:laugh

Lesthar - Heavens Tear · June 2011

Dude, you have not updated to the game motto yet? Never ever forget those words:
'Mass pay to win, reach R9, 5aps and level cap at max speed, brag 'you are winner' then be bored even by obnoxious PK-forum trolling and ragequit like if you were fired by your annoying boss'

Rawrgh - Raging Tide · June 2011

Razorburn - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Maybe 6 months from now or less poeple will realize that there is no reason to ever sell gold for coin because coin is useless. Everything good can be bought for for progressively lower amounts of gold
Once that happens it will stip away all illusions of being free to play anything other than chat an walk around an some lesser of the pve content. What will people do with thier useless million an billions of coins?

This.

If you have gold there is literally 0 use for coins. If you do occassionally need them to say, chip something or..... actually I can't think of anything else, you can use best lucks.

If you have gold there is no point selling it, you can get literally every item in the game you could possibly want without spending a single coin. Just buy your R9 straight from the boutique, your orbs. Oh wait gotta buy mirages, so you'll need like.... 100 mirages. Sell a few tokens to get them. Your shards come from packs.

At endgame the only thing that is bought with coins for gear is uncannies, only because there isn't a rank 9 helm.

Lesthar - Heavens Tear · June 2011

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

This.

If you have gold there is literally 0 use for coins. If you do occassionally need them to say, chip something or..... actually I can't think of anything else, you can use best lucks.

If you have gold there is no point selling it, you can get literally every item in the game you could possibly want without spending a single coin. Just buy your R9 straight from the boutique, your orbs. Oh wait gotta buy mirages, so you'll need like.... 100 mirages. Sell a few tokens to get them. Your shards come from packs.

At endgame the only thing that is bought with coins for gear is uncannies, only because there isn't a rank 9 helm.

Oh well, I say 'enjoy spending your salary on the game, you help keep it being a free game at least, thank you very much' at all of those who do that. (no sarcasm, just lots of cynism)

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear · June 2011

I think OP is referring to the fact that it had been relatively taboo in the F2P industry to directly buy your gear from the cash shop. This had been the case when I worked for the industry before PWI came around.

Lesthar - Heavens Tear · June 2011

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I think OP is referring to the fact that it had been relatively taboo in the F2P industry to directly buy your gear from the cash shop. This had been the case when I worked for the industry before PWI came around.

As long as it works, management won't really mind doing that (innovating enough?)... and as you can see, it works like a charm.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear · June 2011

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

As long as it works, management won't really mind doing that (innovating enough?)... and as you can see, it works like a charm.

I suppose for some F2P's that allow botting (another taboo), that also works like a charm. However, there's obviously been a loosening standard as to the definition of "works".

Lesthar - Heavens Tear · June 2011

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I suppose for some F2P's that allow botting (another taboo), that also works like a charm. However, there's obviously been a loosening standard as to the definition of "works".

Sadly enough. I did mean 'bring money to the company'. I wonder what it does in the long term though, something not so pretty as I can witness so far, I fear.

Off-topic: I see you are a Chrono Trigger fan (one of my all-time favorite RPGs and games in general, btw). Wanted to tell you that for a long while.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear · June 2011

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Sadly enough. I did mean 'bring money to the company'. I wonder what it does in the long term though, something not so pretty as I can witness so far, I fear.

Off-topic: I see you are a Chrono Trigger fan (one of my all-time favorite RPGs and games in general, btw). Wanted to tell you that for a long while.

b:victory
/10char

SyanaSky - Sanctuary · June 2011

Coin all the way~

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide · June 2011

I'm here to PvE too and have no problem with it. Well, except the fact I did end up putting cash in game to get a few things faster I could have farmed the old long way , but anyway..

I think the game is still targeted to all audiences, as it pretty much covers every one, every economical classes..

I'll explain :

1 : Those who work a lot and are here to PvP, can spend their pay and get their stuff fast, since they probably don't have the time or patience to farm it.

2 : Those who work a lot and here to PvE, that could also want to save time on a few aspects, can.

3 : Those who don't work, got a gift card, put money aside or something and want to pay themselves a little extra here and there from boutique.

4 : Those who don't work and can't afford to charge Zen except by free surveys to maybe save a lot of hours of grinding. So they just farm and farm hoping one day to fall in another category.

5 : Those who are just casual gamer, here to have fun, not stress about anything, don't mind taking 1 week of grind to pay themselves something nice.

Personnly started at number 5, got up to 4, now i'm 3 and expecting to search for work to get in category 2.

Number 1 and 2 can think of PvPing if they want. Depends how much they charge.

Number 3 cannot really think about it except if huge amount of game cards.

Number 4 and 5 are here just to see the game as a stress reliever.

I don't want or mean to seperate people, but 1 and 2 should probably be on a PvP server and not whine about the PvE aspects.

As the others should probably stick to a PvE server and not whine about the PvP aspects.

Pay to win ??

In PvP, definately...
In PvE, not many enemies "require" end gear if people get good squads or build char right.

Just my 2 cents...

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary · June 2011

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I suppose for some F2P's that allow botting (another taboo), that also works like a charm. However, there's obviously been a loosening standard as to the definition of "works".

You mean... Like several of the other PWE titles that have built in bots?

Pretty lame, huh?

fuzzywuzz · June 2011

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I think OP is referring to the fact that it had been relatively taboo in the F2P industry to directly buy your gear from the cash shop.

Just because it is an option to buy your R9 directly doesn't mean this game can't still be played for free. Fuzzy is kinda sick of people saying so.

R9 is indeed the greatest thing achievable, however, it isn't the only end game option. The panda has an excellent level 5 tome, full Cascade Glow gear, a Cube Neck, a Lunar cape, a pretty kick *** genie, and a nice weapon, all of which was farmed for free with some effort. Sure, buying R9 takes 20 minutes and farming the gear Fuzzy has takes over a year, but there is nothing in PWI that says if you want it for free you can't get it.

b:bye

...or you can take the route of people like Warren and probably obtain the same or better gear for free even faster.

Simply because it may be available through the boutique does not mean they force you to obtain it that way, and that alone is far from the only way to get it.

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear · June 2011

FuzzyWuzz wrote: »

Just because it is an option to buy your R9 directly doesn't mean this game can't still be played for free. Fuzzy is kinda sick of people saying so.

R9 is indeed the greatest thing achievable, however, it isn't the only end game option. The panda has an excellent level 5 tome, full Cascade Glow gear, a Cube Neck, a Lunar cape, a pretty kick *** genie, and a nice weapon, all of which was farmed for free with some effort. Sure, buying R9 takes 20 minutes and farming the gear Fuzzy has takes over a year, but there is nothing in PWI that says if you want it for free you can't get it.

b:bye

...or you can take the route of people like Warren and probably obtain the same or better gear for free even faster.

Simply because it may be available through the boutique does not mean they force you to obtain it that way, and that alone is far from the only way to get it.

I've been playing the game since... Look at my avatar join date, it's pretty accurate. I've farmed the hell out of all instances, and am in one of the top faction's on my server. I am well known on the server, and have well over 400+ friends (many I've had to add to alts due to only 100 per toon). I have some kick-butt gear as well. Nirvana axes, Decide's on my BM, etc. Basically, I'm rolling with mostly end-game gear (minus R9). I farm Nirvana 4 times per day, do various TTs, BH, etc. I've spent 6-8 hours per day on this game for the last 2 1/2 years or so.

You know what? Unless your a major merchant in the game, the people who put piles of real life cash in the game will always win. Pay to win, play for free. The game is free. If you want to be the best geared in the game, you will have to be a major merchant or someone who puts lots of real life cash in the game. That's it, and you can't argue this. Anyone who plays the game legit, will tell you the same thing. You can have awesome gear for free, but if you want to have pure end-game gear, and all that; your putting real life cash in.

I don't care how much you farm. I don't care how much you work. I don't care how much you play. Your only able to get the BEST gear in the game by being a major merchant, or putting cash in. Bottom line.

Edit: Also, for the record... I get 2 shot by a full R9 +12 wizzy. Someone could play one month > level up to 100 > CS the Medals and refines, and could 2 shot me. Is it ****ing fair that someone can go around 2 shotting someone that has been working hard as hell for 2 1/2 years to get his gear and toon to where it is? That's called an imbalanced game. The CS = God-mode in this game. It's not fair for the people that don't pay, and work their asses off.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary · June 2011

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I've been playing the game since... Look at my avatar join date, it's pretty accurate. I've farmed the hell out of all instances, and am in one of the top faction's on my server. I am well known on the server, and have well over 400+ friends (many I've had to add to alts due to only 100 per toon). I have some kick-butt gear as well. Nirvana axes, Decide's on my BM, etc. Basically, I'm rolling with mostly end-game gear (minus R9). I farm Nirvana 4 times per day, do various TTs, BH, etc. I've spent 6-8 hours per day on this game for the last 2 1/2 years or so.

You know what? Unless your a major merchant in the game, the people who put piles of real life cash in the game will always win. Pay to win, play for free. The game is free. If you want to be the best geared in the game, you will have to be a major merchant or someone who puts lots of real life cash in the game. That's it, and you can't argue this. Anyone who plays the game legit, will tell you the same thing. You can have awesome gear for free, but if you want to have pure end-game gear, and all that; your putting real life cash in.

I don't care how much you farm. I don't care how much you work. I don't care how much you play. Your only able to get the BEST gear in the game by being a major merchant, or putting cash in. Bottom line.

I respect Fuzzy, as a player, and as a Mod.

But, Tremblewith speaks the truth here.

If you can farm 2 billion coins for R9 plus sharding and refining for it, then you're the best ****ing farmer in the game. Or you're botting.

And seriously, merchanting stuff is getting harder with this stupid R9 going on. You want to sell stuff, well guess what, everyone is dumping their **** for R9, and flooding the market and devaluing mats, herbs, and gear prices. Skills are getting more expensive, and gold is going up in price constantly. This completely favors the Cash Shopper, they put in $200 and get 220 million gold back. And seriously, they aren't putting $200 in and buying gold, they're putting $200 in and getting their endgame gear with it.

For the money you would spend on R9... You could buy a P2P MMO for yourself and 4 other people, and have lifetime subscriptions for yourself and all 4 other people, and money left over.

fuzzywuzz · June 2011

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You know what? Unless your a major merchant in the game, the people who put piles of real life cash in the game will always win. Pay to win, play for free. The game is free. If you want to be the best geared in the game, you will have to be a major merchant or someone who puts lots of real life cash in the game. That's it, and you can't argue this. Anyone who plays the game legit, will tell you the same thing. You can have awesome gear for free, but if you want to have pure end-game gear, and all that; your putting real life cash in.

Guess the difference would be that, at least to this panda, being the ultimate #1 isn't the goal.

Having spent very little on the game Fuzzy isnt surprised when those who dumped $2+k on their gear can hurt. So be it. However, that is by comparison a very small ammount of any servers population.

Those of us who have worked hard can still drop 90% of any server in a few shots, be it pk or tw.

Fuzzy is content to have the ability to kill the vast majority of the server with his hard work and simply laugh at the fools who drop thousands and yet still cant 1 shot this barb. It must be infuritating for them to spend that much money and not be able to faceroll a kill against the panda.

Just because they bought it makes Fuzzy no less proud of what he was able to achieve for free.

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear · June 2011

FuzzyWuzz wrote: »

Guess the difference would be that, at least to this panda, being the ultimate #1 isn't the goal.

Having spent very little on the game Fuzzy isnt surprised when those who dumped $2+k on their gear can hurt. So be it. However, that is by comparison a very small ammount of any servers population.

Those of us who have worked hard can still drop 90% of any server in a few shots, be it pk or tw.

Fuzzy is content to have the ability to kill the vast majority of the server with his hard work and simply laugh at the fools who drop thousands and yet still cant 1 shot this barb. It must be infuritating for them to spend that much money and not be able to faceroll a kill against the panda.

Just because they bought it makes Fuzzy no less proud of what he was able to achieve for free.

I agree on a lot of what you posted. I believe what I've worked for is much greater than anything I could buy, in terms of personal value. I also have learned my class extremely well, and can drop 90% of the server.

The problem I'm referring to is... Well, let me give an example. Your in Cube. You get into the bored room. Your sitting there, and a R9 +12 user comes in. They decide to 2 shot you. There's nothing you could have done. You can't run around hoping their +12 wep won't reach you. If your a high level sin, you might be able to stealth. Other than that, your 2 1/2 years of work VS their possible 1 month, is worthless. You take it right up the butt, as they 2 shot ya.

Your in TW now. You run into a +12 wep and +10 gear'd wizzy coming down your path. It's your squad's job to take out just this wizzy. Nothing more, nothing less. The wizzy 2 shots everyone in a matter of seconds with sage BIDS. Even if your squad was able to have gotten to the wizzy, it would take everyone to gank on him/her to defeat 'em. This is a major problem. What can you do? Keep farming gear of course! But that's not going to help against these types of players, which roam around the server everywhere.

I don't want to be #1, cause that's no fun. I just want to be able to beat players that have played and worked for far less than me. It's not asking much. Why should real life money give end-game gear, that's better than mine, when I've worked 2 1/2 years on it?

But I do agree on a lot of what you stated Fuzzy. I'm satisfied being able to kill most players that roam the server. It's the players that play a month and have better gear, and the ability to kill me, that pose as my issue/problem.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary · June 2011

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I agree on a lot of what you posted. I believe what I've worked for is much greater than anything I could buy, in terms of personal value. I also have learned my class extremely well, and can drop 90% of the server.

The problem I'm referring to is... Well, let me give an example. Your in Cube. You get into the bored room. Your sitting there, and a R9 +12 user comes in. They decide to 2 shot you. There's nothing you could have done. You can't run around hoping their +12 wep won't reach you. If your a high level sin, you might be able to stealth. Other than that, your 2 1/2 years of work VS their possible 1 month, is worthless. You take it right up the butt, as they 2 shot ya.

Your in TW now. You run into a +12 wep and +10 gear'd wizzy coming down your path. It's your squad's job to take out just this wizzy. Nothing more, nothing less. The wizzy 2 shots everyone in a matter of seconds with sage BIDS. Even if your squad was able to have gotten to the wizzy, it would take everyone to gank on him/her to defeat 'em. This is a major problem. What can you do? Keep farming gear of course! But that's not going to help against these types of players, which roam around the server everywhere.

I don't want to be #1, cause that's no fun. I just want to be able to beat players that have played and worked for far less than me. It's not asking much. Why should real life money give end-game gear, that's better than mine, when I've worked 2 1/2 years on it?

But I do agree on a lot of what you stated Fuzzy. I'm satisfied being able to kill most players that roam the server. It's the players that play a month and have better gear, and the ability to kill me, that pose as my issue/problem.

This point weighed heavily on my mind when I quit.

It's a reason I have stayed out of Cube for a long long time.

It's a reason that PW will ultimately fail as a game, I believe.

fuzzywuzz · June 2011

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I don't want to be #1, cause that's no fun. I just want to be able to beat players that have played and worked for far less than me. It's not asking much. Why should real life money give end-game gear, that's better than mine, when I've worked 2 1/2 years on it?

It is completely possible, in fact in some cases easy, to beat those who simply CS their gear.

The advantage of having been there and done that can play in your favour in almost every case. Yes, there are those who now have their R9 who are DEADLY when you try face them, but odds are, those few were pretty damn fearsome to begin with.

At least on Fuzzy's server of Raging Tide, those who simply swiped the plastic and now have their gear have zero skill. They like to pretend that having a godly set of gear is all that is needed. Sorry, but that isnt the case.

Attack charms, defence charms, switching the Jones Bless for a +8 def bless, invoke (for us barbs) absolute domain, Tree of Protection, Expel, Iron Guard... there are 100 skills/apoth that serve us well. R9 may be all that and a cup of tea, but if played by the type of nub who simply believes their gear gets the kill, the rest of us have just as much at our disposal to make em cry.

Fuzzy will not argue it is too bad the best gear in the game can be obtained with a Visa, however, even in this day and age gear =/= skill. There are many many ways to counter the might of R9.

Don't be discouraged.

They might kill you, sure, but like Fuzzy, simply point an laugh everytime you mange to kill them, and with a little effort and a few tricks learned along the way, it is no where near as impossible as you might think.

b:cute

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide · June 2011

Good point dear "fellow" of same server...(If I can dare call a mod like that)

To me it's not such a big deal, I did get one shotted over my hp charm by a R9 I will keep name secret but it was in cube, so no exp loss, no possible item drops since not in "real" pk mode, nothing bad..

I also agree that to some.. Gear = Skills and it's really not the case.

I don't want to Yulk but I feel prouder to have killed the last boss of the Big Bad room in cube (room 52) on my 6.5k hp BM using a mix of skills, then hitting a button, yawning and seeing it drop telling myself "omg this is so easy, i'm so bored now"

But that's my opinion and everyone is fine to have theirs

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear · June 2011

FuzzyWuzz wrote: »

Just because it is an option to buy your R9 directly doesn't mean this game can't still be played for free. Fuzzy is kinda sick of people saying so.

R9 is indeed the greatest thing achievable, however, it isn't the only end game option. The panda has an excellent level 5 tome, full Cascade Glow gear, a Cube Neck, a Lunar cape, a pretty kick *** genie, and a nice weapon, all of which was farmed for free with some effort. Sure, buying R9 takes 20 minutes and farming the gear Fuzzy has takes over a year, but there is nothing in PWI that says if you want it for free you can't get it.

b:bye

...or you can take the route of people like Warren and probably obtain the same or better gear for free even faster.

Simply because it may be available through the boutique does not mean they force you to obtain it that way, and that alone is far from the only way to get it.

Oh boy, a "PWI R F2P U R CAN DO ANYTHING!111ONE" response. Well played.

The point of that post, since it obviously went way above Fuzzy's furry head, was to iterate that regardless of whether or not you can buy it with coins, directly buying gear from the cash shop is taboo in the F2P MMO industry, not to mention MMO's in general.

Why? Thank you for asking, Fuzzy, I figured all you were doing was being a PWI sycophant in your last post. I appreciate your forthcoming behaviour. Doing this basically eliminates the necessity and even the incentive of farming for gear using content throughout the game. If you wonder why nobody ever farms a Forest Wisdom in OUF, as one of more than several dozen examples, you have your answer. It's because it's available by purchasing items in the cash shop. This is spread throughout the game.

Now, before you go off and lick some more PWI boots, understand that it's utterly pointless having content if one pushes people toward a direction elsewhere. In this case, it's cash shopping, even if people aren't spending real money, it's cash shopping. Why bother slowly doing chrono and cultivations, or killing phantom of grudges, or metal jackelopardites? Why go into OUF or VOS or Moonshade/DT at all? The extremely easily attainable cash shop gear has eliminated the use of most of the game's content. Again, this is what I think the OP is leaning toward, and coincidentally, why it tends to be taboo -- ruining your own content pushing people toward being cash shop merchants and farmers, content which already is as endangered as your panda brethren is, as far as the "ongoing" part of it goes, is quite a brilliant idea, amirite?

Now, I wonder if Fuzzy can give me a retort about how all things are possible and how wonderful it is to be able to play for free. I would be quite thrilled, and it would, without a doubt, match my expectations entirely.

Vincinator - Raging Tide · June 2011

I see the logic behind that post

Thing is, the game (well , the devs) made it so that at a certain point in game, it basiccly tells you "Put cash in game, or else spend countless hours/months for that piece of armor"

I did feel "forced" on my main to put cash n game, and since I didn't put enough cause i'm not as rich as some cash shoppers, I still ain't sure if i'm gonna get invited to squads for Nirvana/tt 3-x) or if I have to pay more next month.

Game is free and anything IS acheivable whitout putting cash in game : Yeah, it is.

It will take you countless hours to get it : Yeah, a lot and a lot...

One point is true of almost any F2P game with a "boutique" , they are specialist on guilt inducing for the real addict.

For me , I still love the game. But for some , they got brainwashed... Some even find game bad/broken/bugged/dead and won't quit, but that's mainly for 2 reasons :

A : They passed so many hours in game getting something, they feel bad leaving..

B : They put so much cash into a "free" game, that they won't leave either

Can't say it's bad, it's the purpose of a online game, get you addicted enough, u won't go look elsewhere.

What I do find sad, is the eternal struggle/complaining about the benefits about having a job real life and able to invest and beeing "poor" and either not able to put some in game, or just barely..

Game is made for everyone. And even if it takes months and months for someone that didn't put 1$ in game, yeah it IS doable. I saw other online games before where "boutique" items weren't even tradable/sellable to other players. At least here, everyone has a chance to get anything in boutique if someone is willing to get it and sell it back...

Rawrgh - Raging Tide · June 2011

FuzzyWuzz wrote: »

R9 is indeed the greatest thing achievable, however, it isn't the only end game option. The panda has an excellent level 5 tome, full Cascade Glow gear, a Cube Neck, a Lunar cape, a pretty kick *** genie, and a nice weapon, all of which was farmed for free with some effort. Sure, buying R9 takes 20 minutes and farming the gear Fuzzy has takes over a year, but there is nothing in PWI that says if you want it for free you can't get it.

I lol'd

"Fuzzy has wasted $100 today on packs"

~FuzzyWuzzy

Mortal_Kiss - Heavens Tear · June 2011

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I agree on a lot of what you posted. I believe what I've worked for is much greater than anything I could buy, in terms of personal value. I also have learned my class extremely well, and can drop 90% of the server.

The problem I'm referring to is... Well, let me give an example. Your in Cube. You get into the bored room. Your sitting there, and a R9 +12 user comes in. They decide to 2 shot you. There's nothing you could have done. You can't run around hoping their +12 wep won't reach you. If your a high level sin, you might be able to stealth. Other than that, your 2 1/2 years of work VS their possible 1 month, is worthless. You take it right up the butt, as they 2 shot ya.

Your in TW now. You run into a +12 wep and +10 gear'd wizzy coming down your path. It's your squad's job to take out just this wizzy. Nothing more, nothing less. The wizzy 2 shots everyone in a matter of seconds with sage BIDS. Even if your squad was able to have gotten to the wizzy, it would take everyone to gank on him/her to defeat 'em. This is a major problem. What can you do? Keep farming gear of course! But that's not going to help against these types of players, which roam around the server everywhere.

I don't want to be #1, cause that's no fun. I just want to be able to beat players that have played and worked for far less than me. It's not asking much. Why should real life money give end-game gear, that's better than mine, when I've worked 2 1/2 years on it?

But I do agree on a lot of what you stated Fuzzy. I'm satisfied being able to kill most players that roam the server. It's the players that play a month and have better gear, and the ability to kill me, that pose as my issue/problem.

BIG TRUE. And this is the MAIN reason why P2P game is Much better then F2P. I didn't believe it when I started to play PWI 2 and 1/2 years ago. Now I believe it.

Lol pay 2 win

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