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Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »By the time I have farmed up enough coin or mats, etc for that +12 R9 gear that someone cashshopped in a month, ten new sets of gear will be out and I'll be back at the bottom of the food chain.
Fuzzy can't speak to the HT server, but looking at his own every R9 barb is far from the top. Maybe in time they will get there, who knows.
It would seem to the panda that there is a disparity between measuring your own achievement between that which can be done for free and that which can be bought. Sorry, but for this barb, that argument means nothing.
R9 sins, R9 archers, R9 everything not to mention R8 or others who have Nirvana gear....
They all die the same as everyone else. Sure, they might be able to get it with the swipe of a piece of plastic, but Fuzzy is sorry, if you think that alone makes them able to faceroll you, think again.
Fuzzy doesn't mean to be ignorant, but it truly is the case.
Odds are if they could beat you without R9 they will faceroll you once they have it.
Never heard of em before an they bought R9? Step up an show em what skill can do!0 -
Fuzzy does see your point.
But to say its IMPOSSIBLE to hold your own against the CS crew just isn't true. Fuzzy hopes you see his side of the argument as well.
People make it sound as if killing an R9 just can't happen. That simply isn't the case. b:thanks
Killing R9 can happen, and does. Often times, in TW, factions dedicate entire squads simply to hunting and killing those R9 players.
There's two full R9 +12 barbs on Sanct. What do you think it takes to kill a Barb with 47k hp and nearly maxed out PDef? Add in the fact that they're both in the same faction, and one of them has an R9 Cleric for a wife, and you have a nice combination.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
100 Demon BM*/Barb
96 Demon Cleric/Sage Seeker
95 Demon Wiz/
94 Sage Veno
85 Psy/80 Mystic
And a handful of other alts, all 79 and under.
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »Killing R9 can happen, and does. Often times, in TW, factions dedicate entire squads simply to hunting and killing those R9 players.
There's two full R9 +12 barbs on Sanct. What do you think it takes to kill a Barb with 47k hp and nearly maxed out PDef? Add in the fact that they're both in the same faction, and one of them has an R9 Cleric for a wife, and you have a nice combination.
A R9 barb and cleric as a tag team husband and wife actually sounds kind of cute and awesome though.
WTB husband who will buy me Rank 9. Must be Rank 9 himself. Together we will rule the perfect world. Mwu hahahahahaha
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and to anyone who actually believed that Your a complete idiot. Please kindly pm so I can add ya to my block list....unless you're gonna do it. lol jkjkjk[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »do you think it takes to kill a Barb with 47k hp and nearly maxed out PDef? Add in the fact that they're both in the same faction, and one of them has an R9 Cleric for a wife, and you have a nice combination.
Nice combination no question. A 47k hp barb would be a sight to see, on RT there is no such thing.
........ a veno to debuff, a bm to stunlock, and any other class to DD.... CS or not, that 47k barb is in trouble....0 -
The issue with putting gear pieces into the cash shop isn't even the fact that people can buy their way into the game, but the fact that for the most part it completely eliminates the need to play the game's content (which is exactly what JanusZeal said).
How many people do you think have gone through dozens and dozens of Lunar and TT runs to get a Deicide? Possible very very few, more than likely none. Why would you even spend that much time farming it, when you might as well just merchant / farm 40m coins and get an insignia?
How many people do you think have actually obtained rank 8 without either buying tags from the cash shop, or exchanging large sums of tokens for them? I believe the answer to that would be...more than likely none. (And the ones who did can probably bang their head on the wall now that PWI put those tags in the shop for complete **** all.)
I'm sure I could go on and on, the list is endless. Of course, technically it's possible to obtain the gears through the game's content, in reality though, you simply can't (because you'll find no one to help you), and you simply won't (because there are just simpler ways of getting them).0 -
You're all fools for spending your money on pixels.0
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VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »If a game takes 1000 dollars of their hard earned money on a video game, they had darn well better give them something actually worth it. Or they are just being greedy. The fact that this MMO gives you the option of both is great. It's not greedy, it's people wanting value for their hard earned dollar. Just because you earned your gear a different way, doesn't make their way any less valid. Nor does it make merchanting instead of farming any less valid for those who can't do either.
They should instead make R9 easier for farmers to get too, like it was before they removed it from the DQ shop. Cash shoppers will always have an advantage, as they should because you are playing the game on their backs. I don't expect to have it as easy as a cash shopper to get the same gear, I wouldn't be able to play without them and I get why PWI needs to give them value for their dollar. I just want it to be a little more reasonable to obtain without cash shopping if I put in the man hours. 25 dollars for one medal is too much. If they had made it something even minor merchants (instead of the just big guys) could get than I wouldn't care if it was in the boutique. Because honestly, everything in the boutique is obtainable with in game coins. The idea that once something is in the boutique it is unobtainable through no other means than cash shopping is stupid. That just isn't true.
And Fuzzy, this isn't about people who have awesome friends who would help them farm nirvana. This is about people who spent a lot of time and money getting the chips and rep for rank 9, only to be slapped in the face at the prohibitive costs of the medals and how much PWI jacked up the price so that they average farmer couldn't get them. Before you could solo your way up to medals, if you had to. You didn't have to be in a powerhouse faction with friends who could afford to give away their fair share of the raptures.
I agree on a lot of what you said. In every F2P MMO I've heard of and played, they have some form of CSing. The thing is, in those game's the CSers are rewarded with mounts, fashion, or some other look/feel type bonus. Nothing gear related. Nothing that can alter the game, and how it works. Offering R9 through the CS, is basically saying "Buy this expensive gear, and you'll never have to farm any part of another instance again, since you'll have end-game gear".
With R9 +12/Nirvana 2nd stage, you can literally 2 shot anyone who has worked hard over time to get what they have. That's not a small advantage over farmers, that's a huge one! Most other game's that have done something like this, end up in the toilet (dead), after a while. Which, if PW continue's on this patch, that will probably be quite soon.Fuzzy can't speak to the HT server, but looking at his own every R9 barb is far from the top. Maybe in time they will get there, who knows.
It would seem to the panda that there is a disparity between measuring your own achievement between that which can be done for free and that which can be bought. Sorry, but for this barb, that argument means nothing.
R9 sins, R9 archers, R9 everything not to mention R8 or others who have Nirvana gear....
They all die the same as everyone else. Sure, they might be able to get it with the swipe of a piece of plastic, but Fuzzy is sorry, if you think that alone makes them able to faceroll you, think again.
Fuzzy doesn't mean to be ignorant, but it truly is the case.
Odds are if they could beat you without R9 they will faceroll you once they have it.
Never heard of em before an they bought R9? Step up an show em what skill can do!
Just my personal opinion, no worries. I believe CSing can be God mode for this game. Sure you can kill them w/ hard work, but they can kill you with one press of a button. Hardly fair in my opinion.0 -
the fact that people can 1 shot you even if you also have good gear is **** anyway.....THE ONLY THING THEY CARE ABOUT IS YOUR MONEY.b:bye0
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Sir_Puma - Raging Tide wrote: »I'm here to PvE too and have no problem with it. Well, except the fact I did end up putting cash in game to get a few things faster I could have farmed the old long way , but anyway..
I think the game is still targeted to all audiences, as it pretty much covers every one, every economical classes..
I'll explain :
1 : Those who work a lot and are here to PvP, can spend their pay and get their stuff fast, since they probably don't have the time or patience to farm it.
2 : Those who work a lot and here to PvE, that could also want to save time on a few aspects, can.
3 : Those who don't work, got a gift card, put money aside or something and want to pay themselves a little extra here and there from boutique.
4 : Those who don't work and can't afford to charge Zen except by free surveys to maybe save a lot of hours of grinding. So they just farm and farm hoping one day to fall in another category.
5 : Those who are just casual gamer, here to have fun, not stress about anything, don't mind taking 1 week of grind to pay themselves something nice.
Personnly started at number 5, got up to 4, now i'm 3 and expecting to search for work to get in category 2.
Number 1 and 2 can think of PvPing if they want. Depends how much they charge.
Number 3 cannot really think about it except if huge amount of game cards.
Number 4 and 5 are here just to see the game as a stress reliever.
I don't want or mean to seperate people, but 1 and 2 should probably be on a PvP server and not whine about the PvE aspects.
As the others should probably stick to a PvE server and not whine about the PvP aspects.
Pay to win ??
In PvP, definately...
In PvE, not many enemies "require" end gear if people get good squads or build char right.
Just my 2 cents...
Yeah i am number 5
. When i am bored, i take a break 
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Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »I agree on a lot of what you said. In every F2P MMO I've heard of and played, they have some form of CSing. The thing is, in those game's the CSers are rewarded with mounts, fashion, or some other look/feel type bonus. Nothing gear related. Nothing that can alter the game, and how it works. Offering R9 through the CS, is basically saying "Buy this expensive gear, and you'll never have to farm any part of another instance again, since you'll have end-game gear".
With R9 +12/Nirvana 2nd stage, you can literally 2 shot anyone who has worked hard over time to get what they have. That's not a small advantage over farmers, that's a huge one! Most other game's that have done something like this, end up in the toilet (dead), after a while. Which, if PW continue's on this patch, that will probably be quite soon.
Just my personal opinion, no worries. I believe CSing can be God mode for this game. Sure you can kill them w/ hard work, but they can kill you with one press of a button. Hardly fair in my opinion.
I dont know what games you've been playing, but I can name 3 prominent companies who give competitive advantages to their cash shoppers.
All 3 companies also altered the game mechanics so it is impossible to ever match a cash-shopper. Unlike perfect world, everyone has equal opportunity to get every piece of gear in this game. Its just the cash shoppers get it faster.0 -
angellicdeity wrote: »I dont know what games you've been playing, but I can name 3 prominent companies who give competitive advantages to their cash shoppers.
All 3 companies also altered the game mechanics so it is impossible to ever match a cash-shopper. Unlike perfect world, everyone has equal opportunity to get every piece of gear in this game. Its just the cash shoppers get it faster.
Game's like that generally don't last very long after they do something down that line. Many, many F2P games give advantages that are not game altering. Such as mounts and fash. I can PM you some titles if you'd like, since naming other games isn't allowed in these forums. The newest one to come out is About rings and lords. Take a guess.0 -
Hah.Match your expectations? Probably not possible since you seem to think that the CS'ing your gear somehowe diminishes ones pride in having farmed it, or for that matter the effectiveness of the gear itself.
Again....
Eliminates the necessity you say? By that train of logic players should just stick to TT70 gear... or wait even better, pure NPC gear. Beyond that there is no "necessity" to farm TT.. or Lunar.. or Nirvana... Oh you can farm that stuff? Why bother? You can just open packs for it!!!???? Rediculous.
Eliminates the incentive for it?
Fool.
In fact for those players who choose to farm and/or merchant for their gear it probably doubles their incentive to achive it. If you fail to see the achievement in smacking CS'd players to death with farming you don't know up from down.
To suggest it's somehow against MMO culture too offer gear to those who CS vs. those who don't.... have you not tried hard enough in this game? Tomes, Nirvana armour, Nirvana wepons, Lunar capes, defence blessings, apoth, attack charms, defence charms, Cube necks, ..... lets see... did Fuzzy miss a pack item? PQ3 rings, Warsong Belts not to mention the $75 R8... ALL can be had with some work. Even the all encompasing R9. Does it take work? Yes. No question. No argument from the panda there. Can it be done? 100% yes. Just because the FTP "culture" makes it easier for some, PWI by no means makes it impossible for ALL.
Just because they are available throught packs or CS doesn't some how negate the fact EVERY SINGLE PIECE is attainable by those who put in some effot.
Don't cry to Fuzzy about some idiotic idea that those who CS get such an advantage you are not able to overcome it. Step up an work harder. Every other argument doesn't wash simply because maybe for you it isn't as easy. That doesn't somehow make it impossible or unfair. If you think it is unfair, go swipe your visa or else get of your self-serving butt, go do some work an get it for yourself.
PWI is pay to win or work hard to win. Lazy is no excuse.
I'm sorry, Fuzzy, I just made 60 mil last night doing Nirvana with my wife and four 99 key quests. Lazy what?
If Fuzzy could wrap his head around what the concept of sock puppetry was, Fuzzy would probably see things from Fuzzy Janus' viewpoint (and probably half the forum about now), because poor Fuzzy completely missed it yet again.
Why don't you take a gander at just about every level 100+'s gear and tell me how much of that isn't CS gear?
It's hilarious how much you keep mentioning how it's free and work hard and such, but this is a cash shop game where you buy **** directly from the cash shop.
The only main components of my endgame gear I have that isn't cash shop is TT99 which I farmed the gold mats for but guess what, just farm coin for chips which are on sale now and you can usually chip for less and avoid ever farming it, though with reputation sales and mystics, seekers, psychics, assassins, getting huge chunks of their gear from rank, there's even less incentive to bother with farming gear that isn't available in the cash shop.
To finalize this post, Fuzzy, you (quite unsurprisingly) don't seem to understand the concept that just because you aren't paying doesn't mean you aren't using the cash shop. Cash shops are about giving perks and benefits to players, however, directly buying yourself gear thanks to the cash shop is taboo, because it isn't perks and benefits, it's outright selling of gear, and what it does is eliminate the use of most of the game's content when so much gear is made simply from cash shopping and running a couple instances. It's to point out an enormous flaw in PWI's strategy and how useless it is to initially create so much content then make most of it useless, and how they've ventured away from the standard in any MMO with a cash shop which is to give benefits to players who use it, but not directly circumvent their game's content as PWI so brilliantly does. If this is not something Fuzzy can grasp, perhaps Fuzzy should just let more able-minded people discuss this issue and quietly cheer with the fuzzy pom-poms to the side? Although I highly doubt Fuzzy will. 0 -
Rank 9 is bad for the game and not balanced with the game. And relatively unfarmable except coin farming. It should not be like that!
With rank 9 everyone is going to have the same gear... evreryone will be equal, but only after paying 3 thousand dollars for rank 9 + refines. Might as well be a private server.
Consider the game as it was 2 years ago. Different tt99 weapon options, red mats as rare as all get out. Not much of a difference between tt99 and tt100, or even tt90 gold.
OK i remembered what i was going to say now. Its not the games fault, its the poor choices the people running the American game have been making. Like whoring us out on facebook for a game imbalance blessing, or constant packs, or the cheapness of rank 9 or even rank 8. What has been done cannot be undone...
The best a person should hope for would be a server promised to be unmolested by this kind of thing.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Match your expectations? Probably not possible since you seem to think that the CS'ing your gear somehowe diminishes ones pride in having farmed it, or for that matter the effectiveness of the gear itself.
Again....
Eliminates the necessity you say? By that train of logic players should just stick to TT70 gear... or wait even better, pure NPC gear. Beyond that there is no "necessity" to farm TT.. or Lunar.. or Nirvana... Oh you can farm that stuff? Why bother? You can just open packs for it!!!???? Rediculous.
Eliminates the incentive for it?
Fool.
In fact for those players who choose to farm and/or merchant for their gear it probably doubles their incentive to achive it. If you fail to see the achievement in smacking CS'd players to death with farming you don't know up from down.
To suggest it's somehow against MMO culture too offer gear to those who CS vs. those who don't.... have you not tried hard enough in this game? Tomes, Nirvana armour, Nirvana wepons, Lunar capes, defence blessings, apoth, attack charms, defence charms, Cube necks, ..... lets see... did Fuzzy miss a pack item? PQ3 rings, Warsong Belts not to mention the $75 R8... ALL can be had with some work. Even the all encompasing R9. Does it take work? Yes. No question. No argument from the panda there. Can it be done? 100% yes. Just because the FTP "culture" makes it easier for some, PWI by no means makes it impossible for ALL.Just because they are available throught packs or CS doesn't some how negate the fact EVERY SINGLE PIECE is attainable by those who put in some effot.
Don't cry to Fuzzy about some idiotic idea that those who CS get such an advantage you are not able to overcome it. Step up an work harder. Every other argument doesn't wash simply because maybe for you it isn't as easy. That doesn't somehow make it impossible or unfair. If you think it is unfair, go swipe your visa or else get of your self-serving butt, go do some work an get it for yourself.
PWI is pay to win or work hard to win. Lazy is no excuse.
sorry but you totally missed the point here fuzzy.
the problem is, you dont have to play to get those items. further more you CANNOT get those items wiithout cashshop.and here the problem starts.
explain to me how are you supposed to get your beloved tome without cashshop? you need the tome pages, you cannot get from the game per say, you get them for gold, or from tokens ( which are comin from cashshop too. it is not you who has to CS, you can still get it. but the point here is: if there was nobody spending money on this game,nobody could get a tome, fail for a game)
Next thing is, how are you supposed to get the lunar cape, without superior gear from the game per say?
try to get it with your nirvana (lets say +5 for the most lucky ppl since more than +5 is likely impossible without CS) gear. let me tell you something: it is impossible to get that thing totally F2P. another content, you need CS.
Cube necklace is possible to get, i know someone who farmed a G16 cube neck.
Warsong Belt: dont make me laugh it is glitched and impossible to get it from the game without CS.
R8 75$ ? lawl another fail, 2 years ago you had to spam FB 59 to get enough reputation ingame, that way it would take you lets say 2 years spamming FB 59 to get it without CS.
did i miss something?
well no, without the CS there would be no chance at all to get even close to end-game.
i wonder what this game would look like if it was a P2P game without a CS. i bet it would be many tt 90-99 +5 geared people, with only a few nirvana guys, and maybe 1 or 2 having r8.
there you go F2P addict, none of your gear would exist without CS.
and that kills the game... sure you can work hard and merchant well for the stuff, but at the very end all your gear would not exist if there was nobody spending money for the cashshop.0 -
angellicdeity wrote: »I dont know what games you've been playing, but I can name 3 prominent companies who give competitive advantages to their cash shoppers.
All 3 companies also altered the game mechanics so it is impossible to ever match a cash-shopper. Unlike perfect world, everyone has equal opportunity to get every piece of gear in this game. Its just the cash shoppers get it faster.
Try apb reloaded.0 -
eyehaveyou wrote: »sorry but you totally missed the point here fuzzy.
the problem is, you dont have to play to get those items. further more you CANNOT get those items wiithout cashshop.and here the problem starts.
explain to me how are you supposed to get your beloved tome without cashshop? you need the tome pages, you cannot get from the game per say, you get them for gold, or from tokens ( which are comin from cashshop too. it is not you who has to CS, you can still get it. but the point here is: if there was nobody spending money on this game,nobody could get a tome, fail for a game)
Next thing is, how are you supposed to get the lunar cape, without superior gear from the game per say?
try to get it with your nirvana (lets say +5 for the most lucky ppl since more than +5 is likely impossible without CS) gear. let me tell you something: it is impossible to get that thing totally F2P. another content, you need CS.
Cube necklace is possible to get, i know someone who farmed a G16 cube neck.
Warsong Belt: dont make me laugh it is glitched and impossible to get it from the game without CS.
R8 75$ ? lawl another fail, 2 years ago you had to spam FB 59 to get enough reputation ingame, that way it would take you lets say 2 years spamming FB 59 to get it without CS.
did i miss something?
well no, without the CS there would be no chance at all to get even close to end-game.
i wonder what this game would look like if it was a P2P game without a CS. i bet it would be many tt 90-99 +5 geared people, with only a few nirvana guys, and maybe 1 or 2 having r8.
there you go F2P addict, none of your gear would exist without CS.
and that kills the game... sure you can work hard and merchant well for the stuff, but at the very end all your gear would not exist if there was nobody spending money for the cashshop.
This.b:victory[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
"Don't have to play the game for those items..."eyehaveyou wrote: »sorry but you totally missed the point here fuzzy.
the problem is, you dont have to play to get those items. further more you CANNOT get those items wiithout cashshop.and here the problem starts.
explain to me how are you supposed to get your beloved tome without cashshop? you need the tome pages, you cannot get from the game per say, you get them for gold, or from tokens...
But you CAN play it and CAN get those items...
Need the tome pages? Yes. Can do it without charging zen? Make Fuzzy laugh. Been to West Arch lately? How many tokens do you see for sale? Is Fuzzy supposed to feel guilty since panda farmed coin, bought pages, worked delta for frag's and built a tome? Go Delta for once that isn't just avoid some guild mate crying for Celestial cultivation. Maybe try farm it often for coin/old book pages/profit. Oh wait... frags arn't in a pack... Darn.. Frags + coin with every run must make impossible to farm.... /sarcasm....eyehaveyou wrote: »Next thing is, how are you supposed to get the lunar cape, without superior gear from the game per say? Oops, can't farm some tome frags for free and a few coin to buy tokens? WORK HARDER.
Did you actually work for any cape? ....a Wraithgate cape? An Eden Cape? Let Fuzzy guess... you might have been lucky an gotten a Tauren cape in 79 as a drop an called it quits there. After all... why go beyond a Tauren cape when you can chip that right....? Rediculous. Have you ever even attempted an Wraithgate, or Eden, or Lunar? Do you think the piece of gear that makes the run is the cape? Think you can pursue the next grade without the one that come before it? Maybe wait till you have TT Gold armour to far, the cape. Oh wait.... you can ignore Gold armour since some aps/dps fool will farm your gear for you. Oh wait... who does that mean at all when it comes with a right-click in packs. /sarcasm...eyehaveyou wrote: »Cube necklace is possible to get, i know someone who farmed a G16 cube neck.
Have you ever even tried farming a cube neck, or just talking about "what you have heard".?? Sure a cube stamp shows up in a few packs, but ever tried trading 3 Anceint Devil Soul's for a Kistigarbha? Tried the manufacture rate for 100 Perfect Stone for 1 Avalokites Fragment? Ever tried anything other than "seen it for sale?" Fuzzy has been there, done that, and farmed more cube necks than you will ever have a clue. Why doesn't Fuzzy have a G16? Simple. Profit. At 10-20 days per G14 X 80m each, why not walk away with the coin. Sorry if all you can be is too lazy to wait for a good deal on a stamp.eyehaveyou wrote: »R8 75$ ? lawl another fail, 2 years ago you had to spam FB 59 to get enough reputation ingame, that way it would take you lets say 2 years spamming FB 59 to get it without CS.
well no, without the CS there would be no chance at all to get even close to end-game.
Is that the reason there were multiple people in any server who had R8 in under a year without any advantage of reputation for sale? Spam fb's? Yes. Work hard? Yes. 2 years? Not even close. There are people on Raging Tide who farmed R8 in less than a year. Wored hard? No question. Bought it? Go ask them about that question and see the reply.
Once it was for sale it was much easier to have, but people like you say that as if somehow it gives an advantage over farmed gear. Sorry, this just isn't the case. The proof alone is in the amount of R8 people Fuzzy could choose to farm for kills if he cared.
Is it bad that PWI directly puts gear in the CS for people to buy? Maybe. However that being said, it is simply even far more sad that people on this forum are interested in finding a way to counter it.
R9 hits HARD, no question.
Wanna cry and complain about imbalance? TRY HARDER.
Fuzzy is far far far far from the be all and end all of barbs, but if this panda can (and does) kill R(, WTF is your problem?
i wonder what this game would look like if it was a P2P game without a CS. i bet it would be many tt 90-99 +5 geared people, with only a few nirvana guys, and maybe 1 or 2 having r8.
there you go F2P addict, none of your gear would exist without CS.
and that kills the game... sure you can work hard and merchant well for the stuff, but at the very end all your gear would not exist if there was nobody spending money for the cashshop.[/QUOTE]eyehaveyou wrote: »sorry but you totally missed the point here fuzzy.
the problem is, you dont have to play to get those items. further more you CANNOT get those items wiithout cashshop.and here the problem starts.0 -
I'd like to see someone farm ALL of that at once, Fuzzy. >_>101 Sage Sin*/Archer
100 Demon BM*/Barb
96 Demon Cleric/Sage Seeker
95 Demon Wiz/
94 Sage Veno
85 Psy/80 Mystic
And a handful of other alts, all 79 and under.
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Seriously fuzzy.
Reroll on a new server. Start from scratch. With no reputation, no friends and no funds / gear to start.
You will do a 180 on your point of view, trust me.0 -
Infernia - Harshlands wrote: »Seriously fuzzy.
Reroll on a new server. Start from scratch. With no reputation, no friends and no funds / gear to start.
You will do a 180 on your point of view, trust me.
Sorry, but Fuzzy doesn't belive it for a second.
Like minds attrack. Don't fit in the catagory, so be it. You sit on the outside with the rest who prefer to complain about the things not moving their direction. Sadly, if they put 1/4 of that effort to their own goals the result may be different.
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Infernia - Harshlands wrote: »Seriously fuzzy.
Reroll on a new server. Start from scratch. With no reputation, no friends and no funds / gear to start.
You will do a 180 on your point of view, trust me.
I dunno, I'd say anyone that has played the game since the opening of the server, would probably do a full 180 if they started fresh. The game isn't like it used to be. Gold is high, gear that was once unachievable can now be bought dirt cheap, TTs don't need farming, Lunar goes unfarmed, hard to get squads for FBs because low exp compared to BH and FF, no one doing quests or grinding, etc. The list goes on. Most of this is due to the poor decisions on the developers side as well as PWE's marketing team.
Like minds do attract, but if I was starting fresh on a server w/ nothing, no friends, etc... Nowadays, I'd probably quit and go play some other F2P MMO that treats it's players with respect, gives other things instead of end-game gear in the CS, and gives decent in-game, forums, and ticket support. For the people that say there aren't any F2P MMOs that have these features, you just haven't looked around enough. I now have a good four or so installed on my PC, that I've tested. All are very solid MMOs, however due to my many friends and what I've accomplished here in PWI, I'll be staying here for now.0 -
Sorry, but Fuzzy doesn't belive it for a second.
Like minds attrack. Don't fit in the catagory, so be it. You sit on the outside with the rest who prefer to complain about the things not moving their direction. Sadly, if they put 1/4 of that effort to their own goals the result may be different.
Their loss. b:bye
b:bye Fuzzy is stuck with his head in the clouds.
Reroll, then il listen. Till then, you have it so good that you dont understand jack ****.0 -
Yup it's pay to win.
But, I'm not playing here to win....
I play to have fun.0 -
Sorry, but Fuzzy doesn't belive it for a second.
Like minds attrack. Don't fit in the catagory, so be it. You sit on the outside with the rest who prefer to complain about the things not moving their direction. Sadly, if they put 1/4 of that effort to their own goals the result may be different.
Their loss. b:bye
Fuzzy, I farmed Rank 6 on one character. I did BH59 solo on my veno during double drops and saved up the rep for my Archer. And then I did a large number of FB's, and such. At level 90, I was ~200 rep short of Rank 6.
With how people are no longer doing FB's publicly now, and simply soloing them, do you even think it's possible to farm Rep anymore in FB's?
I could grind OMA all day long on my Barb, and use OMA just to level, and hit level 90, and still be well short of Rank 4.
Seriously, you're kidding yourself, or you have some kind of secret that the rest of us don't have any clue about.
>_> And also... When I got most of my rep drops in BH59, mobs were dropping 3-6 stamps. They changed or fixed it, so even during double drops now, those mobs that drop stamps only drop 1-3 stamps. You'd have to farm all day long for a week during double drops to get the same number of stamps I got in one day... not worth it. I'd walk out with 30-60 stamps, and doing it solo, they were all mine. I had an alt dedicated just to holding those stamps...101 Sage Sin*/Archer
100 Demon BM*/Barb
96 Demon Cleric/Sage Seeker
95 Demon Wiz/
94 Sage Veno
85 Psy/80 Mystic
And a handful of other alts, all 79 and under.
*Pre RB level0 -
The American Dream, where anyone can make millions and be successful with enough hard work and effort, and the people who aren't successful end up that way because they are lazy. :O
Lol, nice try.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Would you pay for something if you know its faster and better working hard in a game for it?
no?
Well same, if this game wants to attract people to actually pay for it, it has to have stuff that makes people want to take the easy way out and fork out money for it.
For those hater of CSer always remember 2 things
1. As much as you hate it, CSer are what pays the bill. 0 CSer = Insane gold prices = Dead game. How do you like it when no ones actually buy stuff from boutique and those things are just for show?
2. You choose not to spend a MONEY and do your farming in game.
CSer choose not to spend TIME and do their farming outside the game.
TIME=MONEY and time to most people are more precious then money.
if you cant digest this, then go reroll in a another game that ask you for a fix amount of cash per month known as subscription. Maybe it might dawn on you having some uber guy in the game to pay the bill.. is better than you having to pay for it.
Sincerely
BPBuild Aiming for : pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=99d12b053ed06fe9
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Even if you can get endgame gears without csing, 98% of your time will be spent gearing for the other 2%, of that 2% 90% of which will be spent showing off, when instead I could play a game like LoL, where I can enjoy 100% of my time1. As much as you hate it, CSer are what pays the bill. 0 CSer = Insane gold prices = Dead game. How do you like it when no ones actually buy stuff from boutique and those things are just for show?
You are aware that the game was around for a year before the first pack sale, and over two years before the first rep sale, right?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"My understanding of women only goes as far as the pleasure. When it comes to the pain, I'm like any other bloke - I don't want to know."0 -
After reading alot of these post, Irena noticed Fuzzy talks in 3rd person. Irena wants to know why Fuzzy does this. Makes Irena a bit confused sometimes. Irena thinks Fuzzy needs therapy. So Irena wants to know, has anyone ever noticed that? Irena sleepy b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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[/QUOTE]"Don't have to play the game for those items..."
But you CAN play it and CAN get those items...
Need the tome pages? Yes. Can do it without charging zen? Make Fuzzy laugh. Been to West Arch lately? How many tokens do you see for sale? Is Fuzzy supposed to feel guilty since panda farmed coin, bought pages, worked delta for frag's and built a tome? Go Delta for once that isn't just avoid some guild mate crying for Celestial cultivation. Maybe try farm it often for coin/old book pages/profit. Oh wait... frags arn't in a pack... Darn.. Frags + coin with every run must make impossible to farm.... /sarcasm....
goin to stop to argue here, seeing PWI's mods lack of reading comprehension, u missed the point again. the question was: HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO GET THE TOME IF THERE WAS NO CS AT ALL MEANING THERE ARE NO TOKENS OR GOLDS?
got it now? i hope so
Did you actually work for any cape? ....a Wraithgate cape? An Eden Cape? Let Fuzzy guess... you might have been lucky an gotten a Tauren cape in 79 as a drop an called it quits there. After all... why go beyond a Tauren cape when you can chip that right....? Rediculous. Have you ever even attempted an Wraithgate, or Eden, or Lunar? Do you think the piece of gear that makes the run is the cape? Think you can pursue the next grade without the one that come before it? Maybe wait till you have TT Gold armour to far, the cape. Oh wait.... you can ignore Gold armour since some aps/dps fool will farm your gear for you. Oh wait... who does that mean at all when it comes with a right-click in packs. /sarcasm...
Again, SHOW ME HOW YOU WOULD GET THAT RUN DONE (WRAITHGATE/LUNAR ) FOR A -INT/-CHAN ROPE WITHOUT CS AT ALL?
with 2 lvl 100 with max +5 weapons and low hp cause of lack of refines and shards? REMEMBER WITHOUT CS MEANING THERE ARE NO TOKENS !!!
Have you ever even tried farming a cube neck, or just talking about "what you have heard".?? Sure a cube stamp shows up in a few packs, but ever tried trading 3 Anceint Devil Soul's for a Kistigarbha? Tried the manufacture rate for 100 Perfect Stone for 1 Avalokites Fragment? Ever tried anything other than "seen it for sale?" Fuzzy has been there, done that, and farmed more cube necks than you will ever have a clue. Why doesn't Fuzzy have a G16? Simple. Profit. At 10-20 days per G14 X 80m each, why not walk away with the coin. Sorry if all you can be is too lazy to wait for a good deal on a stamp.
SO YOU RAN CUBE LOTTERY AND GOT IT WITHOUT CS? good this is the only thing i would believe to get it really 100% F2P
Is that the reason there were multiple people in any server who had R8 in under a year without any advantage of reputation for sale? Spam fb's? Yes. Work hard? Yes. 2 years? Not even close. There are people on Raging Tide who farmed R8 in less than a year. Wored hard? No question. Bought it? Go ask them about that question and see the reply.
Simply ... no. THERE IS NOONE WHO GOT R8 WITHOUT THE R8 SALE OR VIA TOKENS (Both come from the CS)
you faild again
Once it was for sale it was much easier to have, but people like you say that as if somehow it gives an advantage over farmed gear. Sorry, this just isn't the case. The proof alone is in the amount of R8 people Fuzzy could choose to farm for kills if he cared.
Is it bad that PWI directly puts gear in the CS for people to buy? Maybe. However that being said, it is simply even far more sad that people on this forum are interested in finding a way to counter it.
DONT MAKE ME LAUGH
R9 hits HARD, no question.
Wanna cry and complain about imbalance? TRY HARDER.
Fuzzy is far far far far from the be all and end all of barbs, but if this panda can (and does) kill R(, WTF is your problem?
SHOW ME THAT YOU AS A BARB WITHOUT R9 CAN KILL ANOTHER BARB WITH 90 ATK LVS and 82 DEF LVLS AND 30 K HP, SHOW OR HAS NEVER HAPPENED
be realistic there is NO WAY
i wonder what this game would look like if it was a P2P game without a CS. i bet it would be many tt 90-99 +5 geared people, with only a few nirvana guys, and maybe 1 or 2 having r8.
there you go F2P addict, none of your gear would exist without CS.
and that kills the game... sure you can work hard and merchant well for the stuff, but at the very end all your gear would not exist if there was nobody spending money for the cashshop.
really sad Fuzzy you failed again, indeed you confirmed my post, and admitted that there is no way for some stuff to get it without CS. Failed really hard, thank you very much Mr. F2P is possible, ALL OF YOUR GEAR WOULD NOT EXIST W/O CS
You know what? TOKENS COME FROM CS, so if you are getting anything from tokens, YOU GET IT FROM CS
remember it's not you who has to charge zen, it might be anyone. i was telling about things if there was NO CS at all.
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You are aware that the game was around for a year before the first pack sale, and over two years before the first rep sale, right?
yes i am aware, the game has change as well.
They notice the normal stuff they have on boutique are not paying the bills enough.
Even if you do CS for new fashion you wouldn't be doing it on a regular basis enough
rep sale didn't exist yes, but then again there wasn't rank 9 before.
For those who don't CS
cheaper alternatives are available for gear
Attendance for 2 decent free rings,
forest wisdom and valley boots cheap version,
free weapons from divine order
if you cant afford rank 9, rank 8 is still decent.
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