How has the aps craze affected you?

Knownase - Heavens Tear · February 2011

Hazumu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

*Sees a claw barb*
......Pantie dear, where did I last put my shotgun at? There's a clown that needs a shot of 12 gauge of sensibility. You're a barb, you have no business in DPS, your business is taking and keeping aggro and being hit at and being able to cope with the hits. If you want to fist, make a freaking BM, BM fist >>> barb fist

As Rawrgh said, and you said, Barbs with 5.0 aps can take back their role as tank from a BM or Archer. Sins usually you can't, but thats a different story.

I'm a 5.0 aps claw Barb, and my BH squad loves that they can go all out without me losing aggro, I'm still playing my class as tank right?

...and I know how to "normal" tank as well. APS, only made me to adapt to the game, and so far, it was a change all for the better.

ZoanoAce - Lost City · February 2011

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

Are you stupid or just ignorant?

Who died and made you god queen of PWI and said it was your job to choose how people build thier characters.

"your business is tanking and keeping aggro"

Yea, good luck with that when you're using axes and a vit build.

BTW, claw barb gets more HP per vit than a BM, demon beastial onslaught for +35% crit, beastial rage for 8 chi every time I get hit, poison fang to match a BMs weapon mastery, faster movement speed to reduce time in instances, access to solid shield which is incredibly good for instances, and 30% more HP.

And if 1 day, PWCN out-of-the-blue just makes fists/claw BM only, then?b:question

(just a general question, not a flame or anything against your "godly" build)

Edit: @Known, don't double team meh, I'm only just asking lol >,<

Rawrgh - Raging Tide · February 2011

ZoanoAce - Lost City wrote: »

And if 1 day, PWCN out-of-the-blue just makes fists/claw BM only, then?b:question

(just a general question, not a flame or anything against your "godly" build)

Edit: @Known, don't double team meh, I'm only just asking lol >,<

I'm not stating that it's the "godly" build, I'm saying that it is a legitimate way and that pure vit axe build is not the end-all be-all of barb builds.

And if they make fist/claw BM only, which they never will, then I'll just restat the pure vit axe BM that I have for TWs.

Daizengar - Sanctuary · February 2011

How has APS affected me?

I helped start the craze! I think I'm actually the first BM on Sanctuary to have gotten Deicides, unless someone got one sooner then early Oct 09

When the original packs first came out, I won a lunar insignia to make my Dance of Universe, then bought second insignia from a friend to make my deicides.

Walking in Arch for the first time with those... Everyone, literally, everyone was calling me a fail BM for having such high level fists. Only of course, to be surprised at how I was stealing aggro and holding it against the barb and all other DDs, and wiping out enemies in a matter of seconds.

And now look how things have changed? b:laugh

Vorhs - Lost City · February 2011

People forget about one thing:

Of course, wizards never used to be good in PvE, archers and venos were always preferred as DDs in istances.

But you know the difference? Once, archers and venos could overdamage us for about 30-50% of our dps. Yea, better, but parties used to accept wizards instead of waiting for another DD, and friends anyway where glad to waste 15 minutes more of their time to help a wizzy.

Now aps overdamage us for over 400% our dps.

You know what this mean? This means that even friends would never waste 1+ hours of their time to help wizzies, and casual parties prefer to wait 20 more minutes to find a good aps instead of accepting wizards.

About the fact that getting endgame gear would be harder: whats the deal? i mean, isnt it better to have a very hard-to-get endgame gear?

I really miss old times where 10% of the ppl where overpowered, 80% where normal and 10% where ****.

Now 70% are overpowered and the ppl who dont want to roll an aps to get gear will just suck forever. Is this cool?

This is cool just for nerds.
PWI has become a no-life nerds & cash shoppers private club.

AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary · February 2011

To be honest, the only thing it has affect for me is that it's harder to get into squads. it aint impossible, just ... harder.

As a veno your one in a million JUST like now the 5.0's are.
before, veno's were the ultime farming machine now 5.0's are.
the only thing that changed is that i have to be really picky with people on who will awknoledge the potential other classes can have.

As a small example;

I've been doing hallpulls in FCC with my AA build for a few lvls now, and it's quite easy if your squad consist of people with ready aoe's ( including the cleric ) and are willing to take a few hits for the team.

I pull hall to designated spot in foxform, spark to get immunity, revert to human bramble hood, by then most of the people are already casting or aout to cast, bm stuns, i use a Teapot, parasitic nova, people cast Aoe's and voila mobs dead.

I think what alot of forget to do is that this whole aps craze started with people thinking outside the box, they should do the same.

Ruxal - Harshlands · February 2011

Finding a squad usually is an exercise in patience and handling rejection. On the typical day I'll be refused, ignored or even kicked from about about 5-6 fc squads before I finally get a squad willing to take me to fc. That equates to roughly 2-3 hours on some days of waiting for a chance to get 5-10% xp on hypers. Of course once I get a squad they normally realise I aint half bad and I end up getting a few more runs before I tire of playing.

Point is its frustrating having spent all this money on skills and gear only to be treated like a second/third rate dd because everyone is looking for the coveted 4/5 aps sin/bm. Its funny/humiliating how on one dragon a 101 sin can reduce a boss to 0 hp and you only managed to fire off about 10-15 skills in the time it took to kill it.

Its frustrating knowing that instances such as nirvana will be ones that you may only ever get to do once depending on which squad decide to feel for you and let you come along for the ride.

Its frustrating fighting a sin and all they EVER do is stealth and for the few who don't stealth that the server computes 5aps hits before it computes insta cast spells so that you die even if you manage to tap the skill button and EVEN if you get lucky and twitch fast enough to set them back a second they then STEALTH and finish you off.

TY Perfect world for .................. up my experience in this game. As a wizard the 5aps craze has ruined my experience in terms of everything I have mentioned above.

I'm 98 now and once I get to 100, thats it for me and the cash shop until they decide that a happy player base and a balanced game is more important than ............. over their love child Mrs.5aps.

Longknife - Harshlands · February 2011

Hazumu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

How has APS affected me?

*Sees a claw sin*
Now that's just silly, if you want to fist so much, then make a freaking BM, BM fist > sin fist.

*Sees a claw arch*
Now that's just silly and rather makes me want to smack the person to the back of their head. If you want to fist so much, then make a freaking BM, BM fist > archer fist.

*Sees a claw barb*
......Pantie dear, where did I last put my shotgun at? There's a clown that needs a shot of 12 gauge of sensibility. You're a barb, you have no business in DPS, your business is taking and keeping aggro and being hit at and being able to cope with the hits. If you want to fist, make a freaking BM, BM fist >>> barb fist

The only one of those two that is "stupid" is the claw sin, since they're settling for less when they could have more. Archers? Hell, their natural builds already match claws pretty well. Barbs? Who wouldn't wanna go 5aps to farm if they could get away with it?

ZoanoAce - Lost City · February 2011

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

And if they make fist/claw BM only, which they never will, then I'll just restat the pure vit axe BM that I have for TWs.

Thank you! That's what I wanted to knowb:thanks

Play the way you want, its your game, your fun!b:victory

WhiteVodoo - Raging Tide · February 2011

it effected me in the way that i no longer play and melee classes. what's the point if i can't, and don't want to get 5.0aps? i mean, just perma sparking all day, using that 1 fckn skill along with acouple buffs? that's so boring... but i can't compete with that on a non-5.0 aps melee player, so what's the point for anyone like me roling melee classes?...

tweakz · February 2011

WhiteVodoo - Raging Tide wrote: »

it effected me in the way that i no longer play and melee classes. what's the point if i can't, and don't want to get 5.0aps? i mean, just perma sparking all day, using that 1 fckn skill along with acouple buffs? that's so boring... but i can't compete with that on a non-5.0 aps melee player, so what's the point for anyone like me roling melee classes?...

Before the aps craze, BMs were great for AoE parties.

Hazumu - Dreamweaver · February 2011

@Longknife, Rawrgh and some other...

Note that I said CLAW, NOT 5 aps. Are you trying to tell me that a claw archer has as much DPS as a claw BM? Doubt it.

@Barbie point, -interval gear works for axes as well and I know several barbs that have no problem holding aggro with axes in kitty form. No, they don't hit as much, but they are better barbs overall, that's the truth, if you can't deal with it, IT'S NOT MY PROBLEM.

Other then that, it's my opinion and as such it's entirely up to me what it is. If you can't live with me having different opinion than you, then you're out of luck because I am a highly opinionated and even more stubborn.

Knownase - Heavens Tear · February 2011

Hazumu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

@Barbie point, -interval gear works for axes as well and I know several barbs that have no problem holding aggro with axes in kitty form. No, they don't hit as much, but they are better barbs overall, that's the truth, if you can't deal with it, IT'S NOT MY PROBLEM.

Other then that, it's my opinion and as such it's entirely up to me what it is. If you can't live with me having different opinion than you, then you're out of luck because I am a highly opinionated and even more stubborn.

Don't worry, I value opinions highly, after all, this is a forum.

As for the -int for axes, it does not help holding aggro, I have 3.33 aps normal with Deicides, and only......1.11 for axes.

As for those barbs holding aggro, let me know how it goes when they have +10 Rank8/9 Archers and Wizzys bombarding the bosses. Normal tanking won't help, I've tried it loads of times already.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide · February 2011

Hazumu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

@Longknife, Rawrgh and some other...

Note that I said CLAW, NOT 5 aps. Are you trying to tell me that a claw archer has as much DPS as a claw BM? Doubt it.

@Barbie point, -interval gear works for axes as well and I know several barbs that have no problem holding aggro with axes in kitty form. No, they don't hit as much, but they are better barbs overall, that's the truth, if you can't deal with it, IT'S NOT MY PROBLEM.

Other then that, it's my opinion and as such it's entirely up to me what it is. If you can't live with me having different opinion than you, then you're out of luck because I am a highly opinionated and even more stubborn.

Read my post again, about all the advantages that a claw barb has....

And yes, a claw barb has as good DPS as a claw BM, reread my post if you missed it....

You have no idea how -interval works do you? Using it for axes is pointless, my -interval gears that take my claws from 1.45 to 3.33 take my axes from like 0.91 to 1.11

And yea, dual axe tanking bosses, whose in the squad? A 7x mage? Or is it one of those level 100 guys that run around with a +2 TT90 weapon. Try holding aggro from a rank8/9 and tell me how that works out.

CandyCorn - Raging Tide · February 2011

5aps killed my brother..hit my sister and did things to me...b:sad

ZoanoAce - Lost City · February 2011

CandyCorn - Raging Tide wrote: »

5aps killed my brother..hit my sister and did things to me...b:sad

It blessed your life.b:cute

CandyCorn - Raging Tide · February 2011

ZoanoAce - Lost City wrote: »

It blessed your life.b:cute

how were married b:cry

flamingahole · February 2011

CandyCorn - Raging Tide wrote: »

5aps killed my brother..hit my sister and did things to me...b:sad

I loled IRL. b:laugh

As for how the APS craze effected me, I've dealt with:

Idiotic fist BMs who say they can hold aggro from me when they don't have any -int gear. They can't even when I hold back. Sure, once they get their -int then I have little doubt that they'll be able to do so but between levels 40-80? No chance in hell.

BMs and other sins who talk about how OP they'll be when they hit 90+. So? They're not there yet so it doesn't matter at that point in time now does it?

People who kick me from squads for being a "fail cash shopper" after they look at my gear. Funny since what I have at the moment is actually worse than what my archer had at the same level (rank IV top and blood moon bracers for both, H&T vs W&C, ☆☆☆ on archer vs HH70/80 on sin). No one said **** about my gear back then but now people automatically assume that -int = CS without bothering to think that maybe a bit of effort and, I dunno, playing the ****ing game can get the same or comparable gear for the most part. Hell, some friends and I have been giving trophy mode in wraithgate a shot to get the -int cape. Haven't gotten gold yet but that's not stopping us.

"Can I have your bracers?" Can you not see that I'm using them?

"How much did you pay for those bracers?" I farmed them at great risk to my sanity.

"I'll buy your bracers for 1 mil." .............

"plzzzzzzzz, i ned ur bracers cn i hav for free??????!!!!!!!!!" -raises middle finger-

Will I get 5 APS? Maybe someday but if I can't farm it then I won't.

CandyCorn - Raging Tide · February 2011

flamingahole wrote: »

I loled IRL. b:laugh

As for how the APS craze effected me, I've dealt with:

Idiotic fist BMs who say they can hold aggro from me when they don't have any -int gear. They can't even when I hold back. Sure, once they get their -int then I have little doubt that they'll be able to do so but between levels 40-80? No chance in hell.

BMs and other sins who talk about how OP they'll be when they hit 90+. So? They're not there yet so it doesn't matter at that point in time now does it?

People who kick me from squads for being a "fail cash shopper" after they look at my gear. Funny since what I have at the moment is actually worse than what my archer had at the same level (rank IV top and blood moon bracers for both, H&T vs W&C, ☆☆☆ on archer vs HH70/80 on sin). No one said **** about my gear back then but now people automatically assume that -int = CS without bothering to think that maybe a bit of effort and, I dunno, playing the ****ing game can get the same or comparable gear for the most part. Hell, some friends and I have been giving trophy mode in wraithgate a shot to get the -int cape. Haven't gotten gold yet but that's not stopping us.

"Can I have your bracers?" Can you not see that I'm using them?

"How much did you pay for those bracers?" I farmed them at great risk to my sanity.

"I'll buy your bracers for 1 mil." .............

"plzzzzzzzz, i ned ur bracers cn i hav for free??????!!!!!!!!!" -raises middle finger-

Will I get 5 APS? Maybe someday but if I can't farm it then I won't.

first of all what teams kicks you cause you ahve crappy gear? I once had crappy gear for a long time and never got kicked from fc team b:avoid (back when i was lvl 80)

And for the people ask you for gear tell them to pis.."Shoo"

Hunnybunney - Harshlands · February 2011

CandyCorn - Raging Tide wrote: »

first of all what teams kicks you cause you ahve crappy gear? I once had crappy gear for a long time and never got kicked from fc team b:avoid (back when i was lvl 80)

And for the people ask you for gear tell them to pis.."Shoo"

Ive never been kicked for gear. Back in my 8x I was wearing R6 top and pants, Mold 69 Daggers, Lv 2x bracers and boots, and god knows what awful ornaments and helm.

In my 9x, wearing a good set of gear (Full TT90 green) I get kicked upon Sage Sparking tho. That made my ****ing day lol b:chuckle

Xarathox - Dreamweaver · February 2011

Hunnybunney - Harshlands wrote: »

Ive never been kicked for gear. Back in my 8x I was wearing R6 top and pants, Mold 69 Daggers, Lv 2x bracers and boots, and god knows what awful ornaments and helm.

In my 9x, wearing a good set of gear (Full TT90 green) I get kicked upon Sage Sparking tho. That made my ****ing day lol b:chuckle

Rank 6 is lvl 90.

Regenbogen - Lost City · February 2011

lol at everyone complaining that normal barb cant hold aggro...

does anyone remember when dds actually had to watch out not to steal aggro instead of facerolling over their hotkeys or sparkmacro afk whole time?

Kupuntu - Sanctuary · February 2011

Xarathox - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Rank 6 is lvl 90.

Obviously a typo because there are no R6 pants anyway... however R4 top + pants do exist.

Hunnybunney - Harshlands · February 2011

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Obviously a typo because there are no R6 pants anyway... however R4 top + pants do exist.

This, I meant R4. Brain froze b:surrender

I never used the R5-90 pants, TT90 were miles better lol.

Xarathox - Dreamweaver · February 2011

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Obviously a typo because there are no R6 pants anyway... however R4 top + pants do exist.

Which has always confused me. What's the point of limiting the r4 pants to lvl 90, when you can get tt80 golds with the same defence's (and better stats).

Furries - Dreamweaver · February 2011

well, i did make a fist bm to try it out.... he is fun. lvl 66 atm

kinda haven't played him in 2 weeks though. mostly on my cleric now

CandyCorn - Raging Tide · February 2011

Hunnybunney - Harshlands wrote: »

Ive never been kicked for gear. Back in my 8x I was wearing R6 top and pants, Mold 69 Daggers, Lv 2x bracers and boots, and god knows what awful ornaments and helm.

In my 9x, wearing a good set of gear (Full TT90 green) I get kicked upon Sage Sparking tho. That made my ****ing day lol b:chuckle

yeah i don't kick sage sins when they are in fc with me but if they start to slack -kick-

Hazumu - Dreamweaver · February 2011

Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »

lol at everyone complaining that normal barb cant hold aggro...

does anyone remember when dds actually had to watch out not to steal aggro instead of facerolling over their hotkeys or sparkmacro afk whole time?

Quoted for the truth.

LuLz at inverval not working for axes. Interval is NOT weapon based, you get the same -0,1 on axes as you get for fists. I don't care about your APS differense, that's not the point of a barb. Also please notice that I nowhere made any qualifiers about how WELL interval works with axes, that was never a part of my point.

And no, it is really hard to do Warsong runs with lv 7x players... you need high end DPS players there and I've seen a MULTITUDE of barbs keep aggro from high end APS players no less. The fact of the matter just is that it is possible for a good barb to hold aggro from APS archers and BM's in kitty form with dual axes. I've seen it happen, it can be done, deal with it.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide · February 2011

Hazumu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Quoted for the truth.

LuLz at inverval not working for axes. Interval is NOT weapon based, you get the same -0,1 on axes as you get for fists. I don't care about your APS differense, that's not the point of a barb. Also please notice that I nowhere made any qualifiers about how WELL interval works with axes, that was never a part of my point.

And no, it is really hard to do Warsong runs with lv 7x players... you need high end DPS players there and I've seen a MULTITUDE of barbs keep aggro from high end APS players no less. The fact of the matter just is that it is possible for a good barb to hold aggro from APS archers and BM's in kitty form with dual axes. I've seen it happen, it can be done, deal with it.

That's bull, there is not a single barb on my server that can hold aggro from me by using axes and tiger form.

I'd like to see some form of proof, because there is no way, not even with a +12 rank 9, that an axe barb can hold aggro from someone with 5.0 aps.

Thrashbarg - Dreamweaver · February 2011

How has the aps craze affected me?

It made many of my friends quit, made more of them rich, made some of them slaves to their gear, made more of them re-roll classes from anything that wasn't a sin or bm.....

Made it harder for me to get squads for TT but made a lot of barbs quit entirely so I never had a problem getting into FCs, deltas, TWs....

It made me stop spending any real money on the game, as I never had thousands of dollars to spend, I realized spending hundreds would have little benefit. It made me stop grinding heavily as well, now I just do enough to be charmed and have apothecaries for TW and the occasional delta and mostly log in to chat or mess around on alts.

I'm saving for a restat to claw so can be somewhat effective farming instances again, but I am just as likely to spend it on some refines and shards for my psychic to be better in TW and leave this barb as a puller/buffer only..... just waiting till the expansion now to see if I even care enough anymore for something as major as a build reset.

At this point I'm pretty sad about how the game has gone from a team-building game to a solo-farming business.

Hazumu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

And no, it is really hard to do Warsong runs with lv 7x players... you need high end DPS players there and I've seen a MULTITUDE of barbs keep aggro from high end APS players no less. The fact of the matter just is that it is possible for a good barb to hold aggro from APS archers and BM's in kitty form with dual axes. I've seen it happen, it can be done, deal with it.

Um, what?
With sage axe mastery and flesh ream I can BARELY hold aggro from players with 2.8+ aps and similar level/refined weapon, if they are careful and don't spark or use combo debuffs.... Maaaaybe an axe barb with +12 weapon could hold aggro from a 3.33aps with spark..... but I'd want to see video and proof the DD had all rings and tome equipped....

I wanna see this level 7x warsong run with "high end dps players" too.... sounds interesting, especially since most of the gear needed to be high aps isn't available till level 99.....

Edit: dangit Rawrgh! not only do you hit 5 times as fast as me, you post on the forums faster too!!!!

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