Mystic better than Clerics?

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If you have 6 seekers using that strange (aoe that will hit anything near them as they run around) running towards a group of enemies that would be interesting.

Sven from dota much? Sounds just like his skill..

I'm thinking add FB51 in there with the list of can't do without Cleric, simply because of Wyvern. Obviously, most tanks you'll get for the FB won't have to worry about being purified because he can't do much to them. But if a squad of 6x characters are doing their BH and they have to rely on an ill-equipped Barb or another class to tank, purify will be a must.

I can only really see Mystic, in terms of support, being the back up in case the Cleric goes down. As long as that auto-res buff stays on the Cleric, the squad really doesn't have any worries. I don't know much about the skill, but if it has a cooldown short enough, it could be put on everyone and should the Cleric not be able to res them for the better exp loss prevention (because I doubt a level 10 auto-res will save 90%, or a Demon/Sage be a 0% loss), they can res and keep going.

Honestly though, I think I will most enjoy having one in FC after my last run against bubble boss in there. I've never had any boss where I literally could not do anything at all, as well as ended up burning 70k on my HP charm.

Veno can do Krixxix at 41 with a ranged pet, which isn't quite 39 I admit.

You can also tank it yourself at that level as an arcane - so clerics can plausibly do it at 39.

Mystics can't stack HoT? That means they can't heal a tank well enough. Backup healing is nice (as from wizards and Psychics) but just not good enough. (Lack of purify has been covered)

Of course, the current craze HAS no tanks, so who the heck knows?

Since most the clerics I see in this thread are worried. If you get a mystic in the squad with a cleric, you clerics tell the mystic they are main healing and see what happens. A class comes along that can do good at healing and so on and you all wanna cry like babies. If I'm on mystic and told I'll have to main heal you can bet your *** I'm dropping that squad. The people that play pwi will be the ones doing the class replacement. b:laughb:chuckle

Lelouchvi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Somone told me that they just came back from looking at chinese server and he said that seekers are like bm mixed with wizz.
and mystics are like venos mixed with clerics.
Then he said clerics are going to be put out of bissnes.
Anyone can tell me why?
What kind of skills do the mystics have that make em better than clerics?
And please dont change the subject of this thread....

Maybe better than clerics in terms of soloing, but there's no way they come even close to healing effectiveness of a cleric.

As a backup/support healer they'd be useful but you still need a cleric as the main healer.

Mystics won't ever replace clerics, and won't have their seals! As Dragono said, mystics are going to be weaker than clerics/venos..

Dragono - Lost City wrote: »

Hey dont worry the Mystic wont replace the Cleric or Veno.


3) The summonings dont have much HP or attack so they are only for little supporting.
4) Now summonings have a roar-like skill to tank effectively.

I just read on the earthguard guide on this forum that the summons of mystics are influenced by the refines and gear of the mystic. screenshot was added too of a mystic(with insane gear though) who had a summon with almost twice of a hercs hp. Less defence, but damn much hp x_x Also attack is infuenced by the mystics gear...

I wonder now what is needed to get their summon about the same stats as a herc...

Bitsu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Mystics won't ever replace clerics, and won't have their seals! As Dragono said, mystics are going to be weaker than clerics/venos..

what they wont do, is "fully" replace clerics, mystics i think will easily be able to replace clerics in some certain situations, on bosses that dont **** HP to quickly is a good example,
doing bh29 with a mystic heal is possible at there lower levels, just be damn sure you got a mp charm or a **** load of pots because of how fast a mystic burns mp, bh39 will be possible quite easily i think, bh51 will be abit iffy, that will be dependent on the squad skill but i think a cleric will be needed for the last boss due to its curse but then again, we never no how good there pet debuffs will be in assistance, the later BHs i really cant predict

Also no im not trying to say *rawr clerics suck and they will be useless!*, I'm a cleric my self as you can see...its just why try and downgrade a class thats clearly going to be good and can clearly replace clerics in situations?

also to the veno/mystic thing, that will really be dependent again on certain situations, mystics basic attacks are definitely not weak and have a fair amount of damage just like a venos normal skills, as well as the mystic having some extra strong skills again just like the veno.

tl;dr? mystics wont be "weaker" then clerics and venos, they have there strong and weak points like a cleric and veno, be a realist, don't be deluded.

edit: also just had a quick read of what Waterfal said and damn if thats true, hello insane cash shopper mystics.

The mystic will never outright replace clerics, but they can substitute them in certain situations.

I predict mystics being able to act as clerics in the following;

5aps Nirvana runs, clerics are hardly needed anyways
High level fc runs. Between apoth, high hp, and insane defense, a barb could tank pulls by himself, the auto rez and occasional heal is icing on the cake.
Certain bhs. Any bh that doesn't require purify will be a cake walk for mystics. Hell, I'm a wizard and I can act as cleric if the barb uses crab meat while I heal.

Dragono - Lost City wrote: »

Hey dont worry the Mystic wont replace the Cleric or Veno.

1) Mystic cant buff effectively only some little support buffs.
2) The Ress buff is weaker than the cleric ress.
3) The summonings dont have much HP or attack so they are only for little supporting.
4) Now summonings have a roar-like skill to tank effectively.
5) The Mystic heal is very weak. Its like Wellspring Surge but not more.

I already have a Mystic at the Wanmei Perfect World so I know what Im talking here

Ty for the information dragono could u speak more about the mystic ress skill plz .

Yeah it's true Mystics will have some form of a Resurrect skill (not able to be cast on a target once dead though, not sure about XP loss or anything yet) and they can heal. However...

1. No Purify
2. No BB or RB - So for squads which require AOE healing, you're screwed
3. From what we've heard not solid debuffs like Clerics have
4. From what we've heard so far, no seals
5. Resurrect after the fact is out
6. No varied styles of healing (Chromatic, Stream of Rej., Wellspring and IH) depending on the problem at hand
7. No fantastic buffs like Cleric has. Apparently Mystics will have a physical buff (unsure if its able to be cast on others), and possibly their summon can do something. But Cleric buffs are epic.


Overall, I'm sure people will use the Mystic if a Cleric can't be found - but for squads which require AOE heal or constant aggro hogs I highly doubt a Mystic will be able to do the job. As I've said in another post - Mystics seem like a jack of all trades, master of none. They don't seem to fit in anywhere - they are just a mix of other classes with no pure aim. They aren't really specialized healers, aren't technically tanks, aren't technically a lurer/summoner and can't really DD.

In my opinion - if a squad had a choice of a Mystic or a Cleric, they'd choose a Cleric. Hands down.

Mystic better than Clerics?

brown better than yellow?
mushrooms better than gras?

Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Also, when you can't find a cleric for BH/FB, exception to BH/FB69, I think a Mystic can be just as fine, assuming if the squad can take care of each other and not act stupid./QUOTE]

When's that gonna happen? When I was on DW Server, 90% of the BH59 squads ALWAYS acted stupid...

Can't say anything about other servers, because frankly, I don't know. Still not high enough for Qingzi BH on RT yet....

First, mystics have an *awesome* heal, simply put. Any cleric saying "I won't be replaced by Mystic blah blah" has never done Nirvana with a high end squad. Heals are barely needed, just the buffs. From what I understand, Mystics have a p def buff comparable to clerics'.

I think Mystics would do nicely to fill both the veno and cleric spot in a good Nirvana team, freeing up more DD. Discuss b:victory

Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »

First, mystics have an *awesome* heal, simply put. Any cleric saying "I won't be replaced by Mystic blah blah" has never done Nirvana with a high end squad. Heals are barely needed, just the buffs. From what I understand, Mystics have a p def buff comparable to clerics'.

I think Mystics would do nicely to fill both the veno and cleric spot in a good Nirvana team, freeing up more DD. Discuss b:victory

yeah i was thinking the same. especially if the mystic has some nice debuffs/temporary buffs.