Mystic better than Clerics?

Tojop - Dreamweaver

Eh, at the moment it is all about Nirvana, unless you consciously take forever to level. There's likely to be a new instance that comes out in the expansion, and I wouldn't be surprised if 5.0 classes aren't as effective as they are in Nirvana.

That being said....I rerolled to an assassin, and am very happy with my choice. Being a "pro" cleric sort of lost its relevance when gear started becoming more powerful than instances could keep up with. Now clerics are barely necessary.

On point? I think which class is better will be determined by relevance of BB in the new instance; if it's not required, then mystic>cleric.

Sekmeth - Raging Tide

From what i seen so far mystic sounds like an interesting but rather pointless class, could probably replace cleric in some easy instances, but not much more and for sure wont replace venos.

- mystic can't purify (very important in a lot of places)
- mystic can't resurrect (i can see a lot of people forgetting to cast that buff or the buff wearing off right in the middle of the action)
- mystic can't bb (have something close but not as effective), mystics can't rb
- mystic buffs aren't as good as cleric

- mystics can't amp like veno (imo the most important squad skill for veno, i avoid venos who dont amp)
- mystics can't purge (important in some places and tw too)
- mystics can't pass spark
- mystic can't sage degen (hp debuff)
- can mystics bramble?
- do mystics summons ignore def on ? bosses?

Really i can't see mystic getting a spot in any higher level instance unless it has some amazing skills we don't know about Sounds like a class to duo with a veno or a buff slave at best so far. They try to do too many stuff and not really very good at any so ends up as a mediocre class. If it's true that mystic's eq influences strength of summon then probably end game mystics are gonna be great soloers but probably nothing more. Have to see all skill sets to make a judgement though.

LShattered - Heavens Tear

Sekmeth - Raging Tide wrote: »

From what i seen so far mystic sounds like an interesting but rather pointless class, could probably replace cleric in some easy instances, but not much more and for sure wont replace venos.

- mystic can't purify (very important in a lot of places)
- mystic can't resurrect (i can see a lot of people forgetting to cast that buff or the buff wearing off right in the middle of the action)
- mystic can't bb (have something close but not as effective), mystics can't rb
- mystic buffs aren't as good as cleric

- mystics can't amp like veno (imo the most important squad skill for veno, i avoid venos who dont amp)
- mystics can't purge (important in some places and tw too)
- mystics can't pass spark
- mystic can't sage degen (hp debuff)
- can mystics bramble?
- do mystics summons ignore def on ? bosses?

Really i can't see mystic getting a spot in any higher level instance unless it has some amazing skills we don't know about Sounds like a class to duo with a veno or a buff slave at best so far. They try to do too many stuff and not really very good at any so ends up as a mediocre class. If it's true that mystic's eq influences strength of summon then probably end game mystics are gonna be great soloers but probably nothing more. Have to see all skill sets to make a judgement though.

This visually stunning skill is an AoE heal that recovers the HP of all group members within 18 meters of the caster. It, along with various single-target heals as well as a ressurect spell, make the Mystic an extremely useful ally to have at your side

Doesn't that say resurrect?

Myrrmidonna - Dreamweaver

It says 'resurect' in the meaning of the auto-res buff, and

(i can see a lot of people forgetting to cast that buff or the buff wearing off right in the middle of the action)

Personally I don't see any replacing here, but rather giving alternative. Up untill now there were no real alternative for a cleric or veno in squad if you needed the services they provide. There were alternatives for the possitions of tanks and DDs (with certain classes being better than others, but still), but not for those two.
I'm happy about that. I like alternatives, they give more freedom of choice b:chuckle

LShattered - Heavens Tear

Myrrmidonna - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It says 'resurect' in the meaning of the auto-res buff, and


Personally I don't see any replacing here, but rather giving alternative. Up untill now there were no real alternative for a cleric or veno in squad if you needed the services they provide. There were alternatives for the possitions of tanks and DDs (with certain classes being better than others, but still), but not for those two.
I'm happy about that. I like alternatives, they give more freedom of choice b:chuckle

Ah k, thanks for clearing that up

Marielle - Raging Tide

Sekmeth - Raging Tide wrote: »

From what i seen so far mystic sounds like an interesting but rather pointless class, could probably replace cleric in some easy instances, but not much more and for sure wont replace venos.

Sekm, if be true clerics r only actual on purge-bosses.
For others - >3.33 self aps bms & sins on vanpirism buff, bb clerics... balance imaob:bye

Ayainity - Heavens Tear

Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Eh, at the moment it is all about Nirvana, unless you consciously take forever to level. There's likely to be a new instance that comes out in the expansion, and I wouldn't be surprised if 5.0 classes aren't as effective as they are in Nirvana.

That being said....I rerolled to an assassin, and am very happy with my choice. Being a "pro" cleric sort of lost its relevance when gear started becoming more powerful than instances could keep up with. Now clerics are barely necessary.

On point? I think which class is better will be determined by relevance of BB in the new instance; if it's not required, then mystic>cleric.

Are you freaken for real? Well people like you are going to be in for a world of hurt. I guess your going to say bring on the pain?b:chuckle

vristion

People goes nutz...

Ive been playing MMOs since closed beta EQ... And in most ANY other MMO, there is a secondary healer... Shamans?....druids? Paladans?.. But in the end the cleric outshines them as the main healer..


the problem is NOT the classes itself, the problem will be that the content PWI is to friggin weak for the players.. With the "elite" gear so easily achievable, they have NOT scaled the content to match what people have for gear. And the fact you CAN run an instance with nothing but crab meat and a Genie....is what kills the cleric.

Tojop - Dreamweaver

vristion wrote: »

the problem is NOT the classes itself, the problem will be that the content PWI is to friggin weak for the players.. With the "elite" gear so easily achievable, they have NOT scaled the content to match what people have for gear. And the fact you CAN run an instance with nothing but crab meat and a Genie....is what kills the cleric.

This is exactly what I meant. And why will I be in for "a world of hurt?" Because I got sick of spamming ironheart blessing and putting up BB all day long? The fact is, "difficult instance" is now a contradiction in terms; please please PLEASE bring on the pain, I've been bored for a while b:cry

Ayainity - Heavens Tear

Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This is exactly what I meant. And why will I be in for "a world of hurt?" Because I got sick of spamming ironheart blessing and putting up BB all day long? The fact is, "difficult instance" is now a contradiction in terms; please please PLEASE bring on the pain, I've been bored for a while b:cry

>_> I hope mystic works for you. Good Luck.

Tojop - Dreamweaver

So do I. I hope you have fun doing....whatever 9x clerics do for fun b:sad

Ayainity - Heavens Tear

Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »

So do I. I hope you have fun doing....whatever 9x clerics do for fun b:sad

LOL! So because your lvl100 that makes you know/better than everyone else? Child please.. If 5.00 squads don't need cleric what make you think they wll want/need a mystic? I find you very funny. Yes I am lvl 92 and I enjoy it. I enjoyed the time and work it took to get to that lvl. b:thanksb:chuckle

Mooy - Heavens Tear

Shneibel - Harshlands wrote: »

i am very sure that the plant is personally abosrb dmg and not hole pt




and that is the tank pet and it is the only 1

Yup, absorb 40% damage for 50 seconds with the cd of 60seconds. An other skill increase defense, also absorb 1300 damage. If this can stack with BB I am sure mystic will be wanted.

No matter you got a hundred tank pet or only one, you can only summon one at a time. And I am sure no all veno pet got high hp or else why veno want to have herc.

_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary

Foxxy_skai - Raging Tide wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS2XuYO8O_g&playnext=1&list=PLB95E3F61E81E2B93&index=11

That's one reason. Level 39 mystic soloing krixxix. No other class at level 39 can solo him to my knowledge.

Veno with good gear.

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Veno with good gear.

Describe good gear
. . you mean also great pet ? b:pleased
While mystic do it easily ? o.o

Tojop - Dreamweaver

Wow, Ayainity, I don't know what I did to you in a previous life, but I really don't know where all of that hostility is coming from. Disagreeing with me is fine, but explain why instead of just insulting me.

I got this cleric to level 92 before they brought out bounty hunters, and was 100 long before hyper stones existed. My assassin is now 101, and yes, I hyper frosted that character. I also have enough brainpower orbs from doing 100+ BH to level my mystic from 70 to at least 85 or so. I will hyper/frost after that. I merchanted for my sin's TT 99 gear and lunar cape, and farmed the nirvana daggers. During the rep sale I got rank 8 by cashing out a lot of merchanting funds.

I'm not trying to impress anyone, but making the point that....I know what I'm talking about; I don't just spout off baseless opinions and then bash anyone who disagrees with me.

If any cleric in this thread is insecure, I would say it's you. If you can't even appreciate what bloodpaint has done in terms of squad dynamics and cleric-healing, then you really have no place to say how a new healing class will affect a cleric's position in squad. Feel free to comment, but tone down the flame bait. b:bye

Ayainity - Heavens Tear

Toejop.. I don't give a **** what no skill clerics like you or bloodpaint has done. I'm not insecure about anything. These are the forums I have the right to say what I want long as I'm not hurting anyone. All I am saying is cleric and mystic will share the same fate and it's you who keeps saying the same stuff over and over again how bloodpaint has replace clerics abilities to heal. Do you not see what your saying? Mystic can do just about/same healing as a cleric if not than more. Same **** that happen to cleric will happen to mystic thanks to your so called godly bloodpaint. Squad dynamics has been messed up thanks to aps so yes why not add a broken cleric(mystic). Check yourself boo~ Grow up and good day.b:chuckleb:victory

grimreaperhc

Please calm down

Ratsael - Raging Tide

o.O From what I hear, people with 5 aps leave other classes out.

Lemme ask where the hell is the fun in that? ;P

Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear

Mystics will not and cannot replace a solo cleric, however from my understanding under circumstances that 2 clerics are called for by the party having a cleric and a mystic is better than having 2 clerics.

Also if a cleric is available to buff from outside of the party, a mystic could replace a cleric in situations where the cleric is viewed as more supplemental than essential, so I'm sure you'll see 5aps parties that have cleric alts to buff them replacing the in-party cleric with a mystic.

However, for situations like Rebirth, there's no way for a mystic to replace the cleric.

Basically, a mystic will be a lesser alternative for a cleric and for parties that have other forms of purge/amp where they're called for a viable alternative for a venomancer. Considering they can do both jobs simultaneously, THAT's the reason they'll outperform.

Tojop - Dreamweaver

I tried being nice, Grim b:sad

I'm actually a superbly competent cleric. If you'll read what I said, mystics have a very good heal that will still not replace a cleric's BB. In instances where BB is required, so will a cleric be; in other instances, not so much.

Ayainity, I think you're immature, fail, and hopefully had a terrible childhood. I hope you get hit by a truck and spend the rest of the year in a hospital, in excrutiating agony. b:victory

Haden - Dreamweaver

*insert Apocalyptic doom retoric here. Then read my sig*

Marielle - Raging Tide

Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

However, for situations like Rebirth, there's no way for a mystic to replace the cleric.

I heard ppl made full delta w.o. cleric in squard (before tb expansion). And it wasnt a rumor on 100%.

As said - problem here isnot who replaces who. Problem - lost MMO moments.
Now neednt use any skills (dont count spark) - 3rd spark + auto-attack = done instance (i.e. nirvana).
If i correct remember vampirism with max aps recovers ~3~4 k per 1 sec. (~600~800 with 1 hit).
If ppl neednt (real) even cleric, for what they need myst? One more aps (1st summon)?

Ayainity - Heavens Tear

Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I tried being nice, Grim b:sad

Ayainity, I think you're immature, fail, and hopefully had a terrible childhood. I hope you get hit by a truck and spend the rest of the year in a hospital, in excrutiating agony. b:victory

In my line of work...The kids have said worse but I still love them.b:cuteb Later:)

FallinShadow - Heavens Tear

If the cleric has the better weapon, heals are more effective. Mystics heal by percentage of max HP + a number so I think the weapon counts for some :O b:cute