Why "Nerf" 5aps?

I can't tell whether you're a troll, or really this ignorant.

If you made a magic sword that could match the DPS potential of a set of Striking Dragons, or Barrier Thorn - Nirvana, wizards would probably end up 1-shotting anything within a 10 mile radius of where they stand, since they would have to be able to do the damage of nearly 30 5aps hits with a single BIDS.

I think if the devs are going to nerf anything it would be the permaspark. A longer cooldown would suffice. All sparks should have at least a 90 second or more cooldown.

Lett he QQ about that begin.

to answer the title;

because I, the majority of PWI, cannot afford to get 5aps, and am therefore not allowed into 5aps squads. For the aforementioned reasons, nodody should be allowed to have 5aps and reap the benefits of spending $600 on a game.

Trolling huh? Fine, let me tell you exactly why you made one of the most un-thought out and un-researched posts I've seen in weeks.

Sycorx - Harshlands wrote: »

why not just make the new gear coming out in Genesis completly -int free and more OP than 5aps gear?

Gear that's more OP than -int? Yes, that is defintly what everybody wants, gear that makes the divide between cash shoppers and free players even deeper.

Sycorx - Harshlands wrote: »

Make the weapons for the magic classes out DPS current 5aps ones and make the armor much better.

I'm a wizard, and believe you me, you don't want me and the rest of my kind to have better dps than -int chars, it'll be the end of the world.

Sycorx - Harshlands wrote: »

Then the 5aps people can simply get new gear instead of QQing about being nerfed.

And they will (imo rightfully so) QQ about all of there work at -int gear not being worth anything. And yes yes, they can stick to their aps, but then they wont be the best. And seeing how they have already spent $600+ to become the best, "second best" simply isn't going to cut it.

Sycorx - Harshlands wrote: »

Just make the bosses in the new instance (there will be one right?) stronger than the nirvana ones.

There is going to be no new instance, this has been confirmed by those playing in PW CN where this update has been released already

Sycorx - Harshlands wrote: »

Problem solved b:victory

No, no it hasnt.

I have a lot of friends with good R8 gear w/o being cash shopper, i'm sure some of them will get R9 in time too Probably free players will be able to get new gear too, just wont be as "instant" as for cash shop players, thanks to who we will have new expansions anyway.

Also 5 APS permanent spark is nice But the gap is not as big as you think with the new R8/R9 gear out. -int weapons are kinda limited, R8/R9 is not an option. If you consider magic weapons or bow have at least 2x the attack on weapons as fists/claws, refines add more than for fists/claws, R9 sets add a lot of attack levels and the fact magic weapons/bows have the advantage of great range for pvp and also better spike dmg potential 5 APS is kinda overhyped. Yes is great for boss killing, but not that great in pvp, can be countered easy with good strategy.

The class that really doesn't need high aps are sins, as they have really OP skills for pvp. They should make fists/claws BM only weapons, reduce max APS to 4 (that should reduce gap a bit, and close to 4 APS was old pw realistic APS anyway) and make stealth have a "debuff" 50-75% less dmg for sins for 3-4s after they drop out of stealth, should still be useful in pve but not that OP in pve.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »

to solve the current "issue" there are the following ideas
1)nerf aps
+restore original balance
-QQ from 5aps
-longer instances etc, less people can afford nirvana etc
-profit

2)release stronger weapons for casters (at the right price), aggro skills for barbs
+casters,barbs,clerics are useful
+5aps can still solo farm
+profit for pwe
-pvp imbalance (not saying that sins are balanced,,,)

3)release rebirth-like instances with good drops
+casters,barbs,clerics are useful
+5aps can still solo farm
+profit for pwe if mobs are hard enough (cause DDs will need better armor, pots, charms etc)
-casters would be able to farm their own armors/weapons (if the drops of the instance can be used for that) so 5aps wont make a profit out of them

Hey thats good I like your argumentation
I know a lot of 100+ ppl that QQ about 5aps cause they dont find NV squads and so an.
I hear that Barbs are often only used for BH100 and GV and that they have BIG TROUBLE finding a NV squad without 5aps.
Its also unfair for casters,clers,barbs if you have a 3,33 aps Sin or BM in a Frost squad and they start to QQ that we Barbs cant hold agrro on bosses O_O
Its nearly impossible to hold aggro as a Barb with 3,33aps+ DD's >.<

I would choose 1) or 2) from ThanosQRT as a solution b:victory

Sycorx - Harshlands wrote: »

Well lately there has been a lot of talk and QQ about 5aps and why it should be "nerfed."

Well my suggestion is rather than nerfing it or making it harder to obtain, why not just make the new gear coming out in Genesis completly -int free and more OP than 5aps gear?

Isn't that a much better and completely viable solution? Make the weapons for the magic classes out DPS current 5aps ones and make the armor much better. Also make new daggers and fists that way OP the 5aps weps. Then the 5aps people can simply get new gear instead of QQing about being nerfed. The ones that want to remain 5aps.... well let them, they will still be able to kill the bosses in Nirvana fast but as the new gear will most likely not come from nirvana, cannys and raps will have no real value and there will be no real point in being 5aps. Just make the bosses in the new instance (there will be one right?) stronger than the nirvana ones.

Problem solved b:victory

Magic classes will become useful DDs again and can stop QQing about being underpowered, 5aps people can simply get the new gear and be decent DDers too.

PS. Don't flame me b:surrender

That's almost the same as nerfing 5 aps. Now I'll repeat the suggestion I made some weeks ago:

Why don't just change all instance's boss features, so that some of the bosses are physical dmg immune, or take... say 75% less physical dmg than normal, so mag classes still being useful DDers again?.

I hope ppl keep my suggestion in mind this time, since I really see it like the best solution for this!.

Just like our own characters are, some classes has higher magic defenses, and some others has lower mag def, but higher physical def, why don't make bosses like that too?, it would balance a lil more PvE, which I believe is the only side of the game that became unbalanced when tideborns arrived.

Noskrad - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That's almost the same as nerfing 5 aps. Now I'll repeat the suggestion I made some weeks ago:

Why don't just change all instance's boss features, so that some of the bosses are physical dmg immune, or take... say 75% less physical dmg than normal, so mag classes still being useful DDers again?.

I hope ppl keep my suggestion in mind this time, since I really see it like the best solution for this!.

Just like our own characters are, some classes has higher magic defenses, and some others has lower mag def, but higher physical def, why don't make bosses like that too?, it would balance a lil more PvE, which I believe is the only side of the game that became unbalanced when tideborns arrived.

They shouldn't change the boss's resistances.. if they do that then NORMAL melee users (the ones without -int) would be at a major disadvantage, not to mention barb would have trouble holding aggro from magic users as well. One of the main issues 4/5APS characters is that barbs can't hold aggro from them, if you massively reduce the magic defense of bosses then you're simply making it even harder, not to mention drastically increasing the effectiveness of magic DD for no cost. This means a lot of very unhappy people..

Well... what I mean is to change just SOME of the bosses resistance per cave, for example, in BH39, farren could have lower mag def than he has, and higher physical resistance, so sins cannot steal agro form mag classes, and mag classes protaginize more, but then Calcid could have very high mag def, and same physical def he has atm, so aps chars protaginize again. Something like that would make both physical and magical DDers be equally needed in every squad for BHs/FBs, TT/ nirvana, etc... .

Now the barb's problem, I still thinking that it should be solved by improving their agro stealing skills, for example, apart of stealking the agro, they also could have a kind of cooldown, during which no one elese could steal agro, no matter how high thei're dmg dealing is, and when it ends, the barb has the possibility to use the agro stealing skill again. just an Idea.

Evict - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Lvl 50s won't have 5 aps until Genesis expansion, or sometime thereafter.

...true. But well the BH39 cave was just an example, if the problem start from lvl 70 or 90, then developers could apply those changes in BH caves for those lvls only, and let the lower lvl instances as they are atm, that's not a problem.

While you argue here and wasting your time, In PWE office they dont give a **** of what you suggest and what you think. Do you think they would remove the greatest source of paycheck?