fix that tt yet?

The changes Made to the TT will not be changed back. PWE from what i can tell from there other games are banking everything from all there games not just PW.(Most likely to tank there new most popular Forsaken world) they have made those TT's nearly impossable inless u have the gear u make from those TT's so not only do u have to pay to win in PvP. u also have to pay to win in PvE, unless u are up for grinding and farming lower level TT's for the cash to buy from the cash shopers of PW.

But thats just what i think idk about any1 elce. btw what they are doing is called "bank and Tank"

Ohh 1 more thing! The cash shop being over powered will not end here. They have already made 1 thing about there new game forsaken world to prove this. its about there taming and pets. there is a pet that will be placed on the cash shop that will cost 150$ US Money to obtain. you cannot farm/catch this pet and the pet is said to be 1 f the strongest ^^ Just a tip for those going to forsaken world in hope of a good PWE Game. 140$ Will pay for just about any P2P game for a year(there is normally no Cash shop in those).

^^ Good luck

i dont get this droprate calculations..

lets say you have dice.. it has 100 sides.. so its 1% chance to get number you need..

are you claiming that if you roll that dice 10 times, you have 10% chance of getting that number?

that could work, but only if you cant get same number twice.. that would mean in 100 rolls, you must get that number you need.. but i'm afraid that doesnt work that way..

the reality is if you have drop rate 1%, and it calculates drops 8 times.. that only means you have 8 times of 1% chance, not 8% chance..

1% is always 1%, no matter how many times you roll the dice, every single time its 1% of getting what you need..

that "real" drop rates are not real.. deafult drop rates are real rates..

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I bet ur squad wiped about 10 times, have four 5aps users, or you're lying through your furry face.

This^^

I will say right off the bat, I have not yet even set foot in TT.

But I read some of this stuff. And you know, you have people who make reasonable posts saying, "it can be done." On the other hand you have people who are essentially screaming LIIIIEEEES!! or have to resort to incessant name-calling or flaming or trolling.

You know who I go with? Those who said, "it can be done," like Evanera saying you may need some practice but it can be done.

Frankly, I think it sounds rather exciting. I'm up for a challenge like that, learning how to do and beat TT 3-X. It certainly sounds a hell lot better than the time limits they had on it (I was gone for a while, so I get the impression that 4-hour limit was removed?). Though, I must give credit; this topic did give me inspiration to write this:


Player Inferiority Syndrome

Synopsis: A syndrome found in online game players in which an inferiority complex in comparison to other players has developed.

Player Inferiority Syndrome (PIS) is a psychological syndrome that occurs within online gaming player base and communities. Players who suffer from PIS, either consciously or unconsciously, feel inferior (though not inadequate) in regards to self-comparison to other players of greater abilities, skill, and, or, knowledge. PIS becomes especially prevalent in regards to events, dungeons, quests, boss, etc. in which the subject is unable to compete in or finish, whereas those of said greater abilities, skill, and, or, knowledge are much more likely to be competitive or able to complete the same task as the subject. In face of this, the subject may go into fits of rage or complaints, or even both together.

When these fits occur, the process by which they are performed changes slightly. If within the game, the subject may address a person directly, but oftentimes does so publicly, either within the confines of a group, within a populated area, or in some cases, even broadcast such grievances against a particular incident, person, or place across an entire server.

The other alternative is to log into a website, often the forum of the game the subject was playing, and posts about their grievances, sometimes mentioning by name people who were involved. Whereas comments made in-game are usually, as is known via the Internet community, "flames," posts on forum websites may be fundamentally different, though flaming is also possible within an initial post. This alternative is grievances against an event, place, quest, or even player class. While in some cases, valid points are made, there are many other incidents where they are not, with valid points oftentimes being muddled with such arguments, leading to an increased possibility of the validity either being decreased by peers, or valid points go ignored.

Much of what is argued by the subject is that these situations and places are too difficult, and thereby impossible, and must be changed or fixed. When confronted by peers regarding posts made, the subject will often express a relatively black-and-white scale of love or hate, depending on comments made. Posters who agree or attempt to solidify the validity of the original post may have fondness expressed to them. The reverse is those who argue against those points may have hate expressed against them. As these arguments may force the subject to confront their inferiority, these arguers are often met with vitriol. However, in some cases, it is these arguers who initiated this exchange with vitriol of their own (which is further explained down below). When faced with anecdotal evidence of these situations not being impossible, and even performed by players of greater ability, skill, or knowledge, the subject, in an attempt to divert facing their inferiority, the subject will willing disbelieve such claims, and conclude that the argument is either full of half-truths, or an outright lie, and therefore is void, even if the arguer agree that such situations can still be quite difficult. In face of reasonable theory, fact, or evidence, the subject will initiate an aggressive self-defense mechanism in a desperate attempts to subvert the discussion by going into personal attacks against the presenters of those theories, facts, or evidences. The reason behind these attacks, though still speculative at best, are believed to be twofold. The first reason is to divert the discussion away from the argument against the original poster, thereby cutting off arguments against the subject, and the other is that by attacking the arguer, the subject is deligitimizing the arguer's argument and all theories, facts, or evidences with it, though this is personal to the subject, as applies only to the subject and possibly other sufferers of PIS. By deligitimization, they feel they are not incorrect in previously-made and original comments, and so do not feel they need to confront their inferiority, as theories, facts, and evidences threatens their willful ignorance; if they were to agree that they were incorrect, the thought is then, they are agreeing they are inferior players.

Non-PIS sufferers will often view the arguments made by the subject as whining by a bad player (and all who agree with the subject are bad players by association), and void of intelligence. Due to the percieved ridiculousness of the subject's arguments, they may openly and harshly criticize the player and argument, sometimes mercilessly, which may delve into vitriol, causing the reaction by the subject mentioned above, the subject descending into vitriol as well.

Those who confront sufferers of PIS may experience adverse side-effects. These include: anger; loss of appetite; headaches; decreased morale; and in extreme or prolonged cases, prejudice against others based on characteristics of the subject(s), such as prejudice against people of specific classes or servers.

In those who do not confront sufferers of PIS, but witness the clash nonetheless, they may suffer the same adverse side-effects, though often to a much lesser degree, as well as positive side-effects, such as seeing the clash as entertainment, or gaining knowledge about aspects of the game that they did not previously have.

It should be noted that there may be a possible correlation regarding "n00bishness"/flaming v. severity of subject's PIS; as the severity of a subject's PIS increasing, a possible correlation may be that the perception of "n00bishness" by others, through the portrayal of their posts, and the amount of flaming the subject performs also increases.

Discretion is a necessity when dealing with the wishes of sufferers of PIS. It is possible to create an unfavorable precedence by giving in to their demands, as sufferers of PIS often will not be satisfied even if a demand is met, instead switching targets until a game is equal in all possible ways, leading to a complete lack of challenge, and even in that case, will instead go after players who they percieve as better than them. While valid points may be made, much of what they demand is unreasonable and should not be heeded.

There is no known cure or treatment for Player Inferiority Syndrome.

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well yes, it's only "expected", not "guaranteed". If you're going into a TT and expecting to come out with profit, you're acting irrational. That's like going into a casino and expecting to come out with more money than you went in with.

i go to CoA i get profit, i go nirvana i go out with profit, i do lunar i go out with profit, i do tt i go out with nothing...

Feynira - Sanctuary wrote: »

I will say right off the bat, I have not yet even set foot in TT.

But I read some of this stuff. And you know, you have people who make reasonable posts saying, "it can be done." On the other hand you have people who are essentially screaming LIIIIEEEES!! or have to resort to incessant name-calling or flaming or trolling.

You know who I go with?

i stoped reading right there, what ever **** u said is invalid, simply cos u said u havnt even steped foot into it, u will be doing TT1-1, 1-2, 1-3, 2-1, 2-2, 2-3, ull think ohh this is easy, then u step foot into 3-1, do the 1st boss, oh that was easy, i dont see ppls problem, then u try do the boss that drops Giant Beasts Armour, and you get wiped out pretty much as soon as it starts, soon as u get there, please come back and post again b:bye

:O

Feynira - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think you may be a sufferer of PIS. Disregarding a post simply based on a single sentence, creating a straw man argument about how difficult it all is, when no such claim, regarding if nor how it was difficult or not, was actually made in the post you are commenting on.

You may want to get tested.

no not realy, but u seem to be *mr know it all* judgeing from the **** ur still typing, u may be suffering from erm...leme make some **** up...PHME symdrome, that means *Player has massive Ego* syndrome, i attempted to read some of that PIS **** that u either copied and pasted or wasted ur time writing,
ill just say no i dont suffer on any of that, ive been on this game *on and off* for about 4 years to no how the game has worked, id say my skill level is fairly high providing i felt like inserting my credit card for some uber gear to actualy bother pvping with my current char (seemings as ur PIS says skill etc)

what u seem to be missing is, the majority of the population that have actualy done TT 3-x wudnt be complaining if it was as easy as u seem to think it is *oh its a challenge*...just no.

Cos of the difficulty, a mat that we badly need to complete our TT90 set, used to cost around 600k or so, now its jumped up an extra +1mill, it probs would of gone higher if we had an insane inflation like pw-my used to, but it had to stop at what ever price its on now.

just save ur self the embarasment of posting on a thread u no nothing about.

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I bet ur squad wiped about 10 times, have four 5aps users, or you're lying through your furry face.

lol kinda late getting back to this but, me 2 clerics, 2nd barb with 4aps, bm with 4aps, and veno. one cleric was 9x all others were 100, no squad wipe. learn to play noob and its not that hard.

Ego? Nah. That post was meant to be taken comically; if you took it seriously, well, that's your problem, not mine. As I rather enjoyed it, as well, I wouldn't much agree it was a "waste of time" as it provided a source of entertainment for myself. I enjoy thinking and writing, and if that's wrong, then I'd rather not be right.

But the point wasn't meant to be accusatory towards you as inferior, at least in my head, which to my discredit, upon retrospect, was not well-worded. Rather, you took what I said out of context and created straw man argument. That was the big point.

You said you stopped reading after the first sentence? I'll take your word for it, as I never said that TT 3-X wasn't difficult, or that I had any notion it would be easy. What I said is, though I never done TT, I look forward to the challenge of passing its difficulty. Furthermore, "challenge" is a matter of subjectivity. To discredit what I said simply based on that I called it a "challenge" is downright foolish. We could easily both percieve separate levels of difficulty, so you cannot argue on the subjectiveness of the word "challenge," as there is no basis of measurement.

In fact, I really don't understand what your point was in the first place. Which I will quote:

i stoped reading right there, what ever **** u said is invalid, simply cos u said u havnt even steped foot into it, u will be doing TT1-1, 1-2, 1-3, 2-1, 2-2, 2-3, ull think ohh this is easy, then u step foot into 3-1, do the 1st boss, oh that was easy, i dont see ppls problem, then u try do the boss that drops Giant Beasts Armour, and you get wiped out pretty much as soon as it starts, soon as u get there, please come back and post again

So what, exactly, is the point you are making? That it's hard? Well that's quite redundant. And since I expressed that I look forward to the challenge, I fail to see what I said as "invalid" as I was addressing a personal thought rather than a subjective argument. In fact, I could say the reverse is true and that anything you say is invalid because of your style of writing posts. But I won't; just that it is a possibility if you want to raise some kind of bizarre validation fight.

Now, I ask, what is the majority? Certainly if you are willing to make that claim, you must have some kind of substantial evidence such as a chart in regards to the number of players who have gone through TT 3-X v. number of TT 3-X goers who have complaints. I mean, "majority" is not subjective, but rather, objective. It is the perception of a majority that is subjective. But that would be a poor point of argument as it is not something that can be defined or built upon being merely perception.

Although I will give you credit that, yes, of course prices go up. By making TT 3-X more difficult, it becomes more exclusivory, filtering out those who may have been able to perform in it, but now are no longer able in face of its increased difficulty. That's only to be expected. But, unless you can somehow demonstrate a more specific correlation of the subjectivity of difficulty with the inflation of material prices, there isn't much more to be said. Simply saying "mat prices go up, because it's harder" is sort of, well, duh. Yes, they may have gotten quite expensive, but that is a separate issue, though TT 3-X difficulty is a cause of that inflation. Essentially what that point boils down to is "mats are too expensive, make TT 3-X easier!" Although if material prices is that much of an issue, then an increase in drop rate could be a viable solution. That could tend, even if in only a small amount, to the inflation issue, though of course it does not solve the percieved difficulty issue.

True, I have not done TT, but I do not need to do it to comprehend, at least in part, some of the grievances, ideas, and possible solutions. If you still want to disregard anything I say, well, that says more about you than it does of me, now doesn't it?

EverDoom - Harshlands wrote: »

so was the 2nd barb tanking and u were attacking in true form? b:chuckle this sounds soo oddly familiar to another story ive heard b4....

don't know the other story, i was tanking other barb was just dd, since your next question is going to be "how do you survive?" im a full vit build with 18k hp and +5 tt80 gold gear, lunar cape and warsoul helm. yes better then the average player but not impossible to obtain, any more questions?

PetMe - Raging Tide wrote: »

lol kinda late getting back to this but, me 2 clerics, 2nd barb with 4aps, bm with 4aps, and veno. one cleric was 9x all others were 100, no squad wipe. learn to play noob and its not that hard.

See, try doing 3-3 with an AVERAGE squad, two 4aps isn't average. Of course a boss isn't that hard if your squad mates can kill it in under 5 minutes.

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »

See, try doing 3-3 with an AVERAGE squad, two 4aps isn't average. Of course a boss isn't that hard if your squad mates can kill it in under 5 minutes.

you're just nothing but negative aren't you? actually, i've found that 4aps isn't all that uncommon when you are talking 99+.

Indisputable evidences:
http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss128/naix20oO/loltank.jpg

Seriously tho, aggro sharing is still very important, and that one hit periodically may allow your DDs to comfortably survive until the next Demon Spark. Although I wouldn't say you tanked that TT.

Feynira - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ego? Nah. That post was meant to be taken comically; if you took it seriously, well, that's your problem, not mine. As I rather enjoyed it, as well, I wouldn't much agree it was a "waste of time" as it provided a source of entertainment for myself. I enjoy thinking and writing, and if that's wrong, then I'd rather not be right.

But the point wasn't meant to be accusatory towards you as inferior, at least in my head, which to my discredit, upon retrospect, was not well-worded. Rather, you took what I said out of context and created straw man argument. That was the big point.

You said you stopped reading after the first sentence? I'll take your word for it, as I never said that TT 3-X wasn't difficult, or that I had any notion it would be easy. What I said is, though I never done TT, I look forward to the challenge of passing its difficulty. Furthermore, "challenge" is a matter of subjectivity. To discredit what I said simply based on that I called it a "challenge" is downright foolish. We could easily both percieve separate levels of difficulty, so you cannot argue on the subjectiveness of the word "challenge," as there is no basis of measurement.

In fact, I really don't understand what your point was in the first place. Which I will quote:



So what, exactly, is the point you are making? That it's hard? Well that's quite redundant. And since I expressed that I look forward to the challenge, I fail to see what I said as "invalid" as I was addressing a personal thought rather than a subjective argument. In fact, I could say the reverse is true and that anything you say is invalid because of your style of writing posts. But I won't; just that it is a possibility if you want to raise some kind of bizarre validation fight.

Now, I ask, what is the majority? Certainly if you are willing to make that claim, you must have some kind of substantial evidence such as a chart in regards to the number of players who have gone through TT 3-X v. number of TT 3-X goers who have complaints. I mean, "majority" is not subjective, but rather, objective. It is the perception of a majority that is subjective. But that would be a poor point of argument as it is not something that can be defined or built upon being merely perception.

Although I will give you credit that, yes, of course prices go up. By making TT 3-X more difficult, it becomes more exclusivory, filtering out those who may have been able to perform in it, but now are no longer able in face of its increased difficulty. That's only to be expected. But, unless you can somehow demonstrate a more specific correlation of the subjectivity of difficulty with the inflation of material prices, there isn't much more to be said. Simply saying "mat prices go up, because it's harder" is sort of, well, duh. Yes, they may have gotten quite expensive, but that is a separate issue, though TT 3-X difficulty is a cause of that inflation. Essentially what that point boils down to is "mats are too expensive, make TT 3-X easier!" Although if material prices is that much of an issue, then an increase in drop rate could be a viable solution. That could tend, even if in only a small amount, to the inflation issue, though of course it does not solve the percieved difficulty issue.

True, I have not done TT, but I do not need to do it to comprehend, at least in part, some of the grievances, ideas, and possible solutions. If you still want to disregard anything I say, well, that says more about you than it does of me, now doesn't it?

i had to skim read everything after the quote part, please for the sake of every1 that tries to read/respond to u, stop writing giant books that just go on...and on...

you said, what is the majority? i guess u dont check forums often enough, ever since all these changes have been happening, forums and ingame have been in an uproar of sorts, after the TT changes, things just got worse, the amount of threads in the past, and still being made now just like this thread, is just an obvious one to point out about the majority.

to save my self time, if ur in a guild with 8-9x levels, i dont mean 9-10x levels with there TT90 or 99 full gear refined to what ever point, just ask the players that are attempting to farm 3-1 runs and u will get the picture.