fix that tt yet?

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear

PetMe - Raging Tide wrote: »

you're just nothing but negative aren't you? actually, i've found that 4aps isn't all that uncommon when you are talking 99+.

Because people who are trying to farm their TT99 most commonly have 4aps, oh wait they don't.

Last I checked 4aps was in the ballpark of 200mil+ and thats not counting refines.

What about magic users or full dex archers that use bows? Are they now required to ride the coat tails of the nearest int user just to have a decent chance of farming?

Having high int users is fine and dandy but it shouldn't be a requirement, but it is.

Feynira - Sanctuary

@Renza

Well now I may persist simply out of spite if I felt like it, as I have every right to be here and post. And I certainly won't respond positively to someone who seems to show so little respect. If you do not wish my posts, well that is too bad for you. It really is not my problem nor my concern at the length of my posts.

And is that so? Well I haven't heard very much complaining in-game; granted, I prefer smaller guilds so I have to rely on public and world chat. But even then, I haven't seen much in the way of complaints about it at all. If anything, I saw someone recruit for TT 3-1 today in WC. The forum, while I have seen quite a bit more, indeed, how do you know that the majority of TT 3-X actually respond to the forums at all? I can only assuming through guessing.

Of course, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but the question remains, you are the one claiming it was a "majority," so therefore, the burden of evidence is on you.

Nor can I say I know the state of anyone who actually complains about TT 3-X; the state of their character, knowledge, skills, time restraints, etc. For all I know, you could be running in, getting wiped, and then complain about it being too hard instead of thinking of viable strategies. So really, I have to take a grain of salt to everyone.

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear

Feynira - Sanctuary wrote: »

@Renza

Well now I may persist simply out of spite if I felt like it, as I have every right to be here and post. And I certainly won't respond positively to someone who seems to show so little respect. If you do not wish my posts, well that is too bad for you. It really is not my problem nor my concern at the length of my posts.

And is that so? Well I haven't heard very much complaining in-game; granted, I prefer smaller guilds so I have to rely on public and world chat. But even then, I haven't seen much in the way of complaints about it at all. If anything, I saw someone recruit for TT 3-1 today in WC. The forum, while I have seen quite a bit more, indeed, how do you know that the majority of TT 3-X actually respond to the forums at all? I can only assuming through guessing.

Of course, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but the question remains, you are the one claiming it was a "majority," so therefore, the burden of evidence is on you.

Nor can I say I know the state of anyone who actually complains about TT 3-X; the state of their character, knowledge, skills, time restraints, etc. For all I know, you could be running in, getting wiped, and then complain about it being too hard instead of thinking of viable strategies. So really, I have to take a grain of salt to everyone.

You pretend to have a unbiased opinion but are acting in complete agreement with the people who say its easy.

Practice what you preach and admit you have no idea one way or the other, go level.

Borsuc - Raging Tide

She's a psy, she probably has no idea what 4aps is end-game. (hint: something that magic classes can't get) So yes it's possible, but not with people like her or me.

Fist_Mama - Harshlands

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

She's a psy, she probably has no idea what 4aps is end-game. (hint: something that magic classes can't get) So yes it's possible, but not with people like her or me.

actualy all classes can get 4aps un sparked

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Yeah without a magic build, wearing **** low level magic weapons or rank weapons, and having so little magic your magic attacks would be worthless. No mastery either, and demon sparking gives you channeling boost (except for venos). All the while being extremely squishy.

Question, why the hell would you roll a magic class if you are not going to use magic? b:chuckle

Fist_Mama - Harshlands

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Yeah without a magic build, wearing **** low level magic weapons or rank weapons, and having so little magic your magic attacks would be worthless. No mastery either, and demon sparking gives you channeling boost (except for venos). All the while being extremely squishy.

Question, why the hell would you roll a magic class if you are not going to use magic? b:chuckle

never said it was a smart idea just stating that all classes can get 4aps base without spark.

Borsuc - Raging Tide

I know what you meant XD but I had to elaborate in case some people here assumed it was a viable build or something (I guess you know which one specifically).

Lutirica - Harshlands

always alot of chat walls b:shocked

kenlee

Feynira - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nor can I say I know the state of anyone who actually complains about TT 3-X; the state of their character, knowledge, skills, time restraints, etc. For all I know, you could be running in, getting wiped, and then complain about it being too hard instead of thinking of viable strategies. So really, I have to take a grain of salt to everyone.

viable strategies? when you gonna start farming your tt90, supposedly you dont have any, tell me whats strategies you gonna adopt when a boss is gonna hit you for twice/triple your hp? you write long posts for nothing because thats the simple case, most players that have average or under average gear cant do anything except die die and die

Feynira - Sanctuary

Oh I'm biased. I'll be the first to admit it. Because from those who say "it's too hard," for the most part it's been nothing but ***** and moan and resort to personal attacks and name-calling. Whereas, by comparison: Michael who actually made a reasonable post on possible strategies (regardless of their effectiveness, it's better than just going on about how it's too hard); Evanera who said though still difficult, it's still doable (and as I do not know you or them, I cannot speak to the accuracy of either of you); Olbaze on the whole drops rate issue.

So yes. I'm biased. From what I've seen, one side has made some reasonable points. The other? Like I said, ******** and moaning without a whole lot of substance (though there is some, granted).

And you're right, I do not know one way or another. That was not my intention to argue how difficult it was; nor did I ever, and do not wish to as I do not know. My point is, instead of screaming about "it's too hard," why not actually offer substance like they do? Clearly people have did it. You all are saying they have "average or below average gear," well first of all, I would imagine "below average" or "under average" is always a problem, regardless of what you are doing. But you have some claim it can be done by average gear, you have some who say it cannot, so who is right?

Well you certainly can't say from reading what I've been reading. It's closer to a game of tug-of-war than an actual discussion. "No it's not!" "Yes it is!" So if you want to make a topic about "fixing" it, perhaps you should fix the discussion first instead of simply being contradictory and flammatory.

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Michael has only said how a BM can easily tank the boss, emperor in this case. I've also said how a barb can solo it with charm (fist barb is a lot more effective especially with bloodpaint buff).

But the bosses have random aggro, and what about the other people? You know, the ones who complain? What about the other classes with average gear? (not tt99 that you are supposed to farm in that instance to begin with)

Answer: ****ed.


EDIT: average gear = no gear that you are supposed to farm from those instances. That is no TT99 (which you need for -interval bonus) and stuff like that.

Eoria - Harshlands

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

But the bosses have random aggro, and what about the other people? What about the other classes with average gear? (not tt99 that you are supposed to farm in that instance to begin with)

Answer: ****ed.

Emp has always been random aggro though. "Hatred is like the clouds in the sky..." = he's random aggroing. Col has also always been random aggro in 3-2/3-3 though he doesn't say anything.

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear

Feynira - Sanctuary wrote: »

Oh I'm biased. I'll be the first to admit it. Because from those who say "it's too hard," for the most part it's been nothing but ***** and moan and resort to personal attacks and name-calling. Whereas, by comparison: Michael who actually made a reasonable post on possible strategies (regardless of their effectiveness, it's better than just going on about how it's too hard); Evanera who said though still difficult, it's still doable (and as I do not know you or them, I cannot speak to the accuracy of either of you); Olbaze on the whole drops rate issue.

So yes. I'm biased. From what I've seen, one side has made some reasonable points. The other? Like I said, ******** and moaning without a whole lot of substance (though there is some, granted).

And you're right, I do not know one way or another. That was not my intention to argue how difficult it was; nor did I ever, and do not wish to as I do not know. My point is, instead of screaming about "it's too hard," why not actually offer substance like they do? Clearly people have did it. You all are saying they have "average or below average gear," well first of all, I would imagine "below average" or "under average" is always a problem, regardless of what you are doing. But you have some claim it can be done by average gear, you have some who say it cannot, so who is right?

Well you certainly can't say from reading what I've been reading. It's closer to a game of tug-of-war than an actual discussion. "No it's not!" "Yes it is!" So if you want to make a topic about "fixing" it, perhaps you should fix the discussion first instead of simply being contradictory and flammatory.

All the people who say it's fine are all merchanting, driving up the price of the mats and lining their pockets, most will even admit it. The only reason they like it this way is because they can mosey into 3-3 farm it with their squad of 4/5aps +10, wreck shop and then bank roll, ofcourse they don't want it to change because they wouldn't be able to merch as much and for a fraction of the cost.

Feynira - Sanctuary

Well now, you're just making unsubstantiated generalizations. While there is no doubt there are some like that, it hardly proves anything to say they are all, when all you have is mere accusation. However, that is an accusation for themselves to deal with.

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear

Feynira - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well now, you're just making unsubstantiated generalizations. While there is no doubt there are some like that, it hardly proves anything to say they are all, when all you have is mere accusation. However, that is an accusation for themselves to deal with.

How many times have you seen Kiyoshi(another one of my guildmates) spam that he is selling illusion stones IN THIS VERY THREAD? Jesus, you really need to get over yourself, some of us have been playing this game long enough to know what is ACTUALLY going on.

Born_Free - Harshlands

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »

How many times have you seen Kiyoshi(another one of my guildmates) spam that he is selling illusion stones IN THIS VERY THREAD? Jesus, you really need to get over yourself, some of us have been playing this game long enough to know what is ACTUALLY going on.

-.- Level / = / experience.

The answer to the thread is....

"No, we're not going to fix it. TW dead + nobody buying charms = bad. TT harder + people buying charms = us making up for really stupid developing choice that nobody honestly thought through and now we're all having to pay for it."

The only reason why I place that justification is because HH was "fixed" just after TW was "fixed." Coincidence? I think not.
So until someone down in China finally gets the bright idea that maybe it's time to make TW "broken" again, suck it up. Get a good squad. Play your class right. Bring pots. Move on.

kenlee

Feynira - Sanctuary wrote: »

Oh I'm biased. I'll be the first to admit it. Because from those who say "it's too hard," for the most part it's been nothing but ***** and moan and resort to personal attacks and name-calling. Whereas, by comparison: Michael who actually made a reasonable post on possible strategies (regardless of their effectiveness, it's better than just going on about how it's too hard); Evanera who said though still difficult, it's still doable (and as I do not know you or them, I cannot speak to the accuracy of either of you); Olbaze on the whole drops rate issue.

i dont know about the others on other servers but i do know Michael build... one of those builds that you can count of fingers the number of them available on a server so even if his advices are alright the rest of the players just can find it easy at all or like impossible for others with average gear

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Emp has always been random aggro though. "Hatred is like the clouds in the sky..." = he's random aggroing. Col has also always been random aggro in 3-2/3-3 though he doesn't say anything.

Yes but most of the time it wasn't instant. It also wasn't random as in, you can't predict when he is going to do it. You had time to react. To spark at the very least. Plus there was no "instant occult ice for 5k a tick" without as much as even looking at you.

Only in very unlucky cases you had emperor random aggro on the cleric and doing his frontal instant AOE and wiping out the squad back then unless you had 2 clerics -- now that kinda thing is to be expected.

Ancient Evil is a good example of a challenging boss for low geared people. Random aggros, has cone-shaped AOE, you need some positioning and to time your sparks/escapes when he goes on you. But that boss is predictable and you have time to react.

TT3-x is a complete mess, on the other hand. Totally random bosses. Can spam 3-4 special abilities over 5 secs, and other times doesn't spam one single ability in 1 minute. b:faint

Renza - Raging Tide

Feynira - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think i know everything about how TT works though I stated I haven't stepped foot inside it, yet I'm just THAT god like that I can make up **** after **** writing insanely long paragraphs spelling everything correctly, using full punctuation with all my grammar right.

ofcourse u diddnt say that, i just thought i wud put that in, instead of quoting ur insanely long paragraphs of bullcrap, u no absolutly nothing yet u insist to type ur invalid comments thinking u no how it all works...

do ur self a favour and troll something else u elderly failure.

Woneo - Harshlands

tried 3-1 gba tonight with;
101 barb
101 veno
100 cleric
100 cleric
100 veno
100 sin
It 1shot the entire squad after hp debuff and then started hitting the barb for 4-10k.

How are 9x people supposed to kill this thing?

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear

Woneo - Harshlands wrote: »

tried 3-1 gba tonight with;
101 barb
101 veno
100 cleric
100 cleric
100 veno
100 sin
It 1shot the entire squad after hp debuff and then started hitting the barb for 4-10k.

How are 9x people supposed to kill this thing?

Right after the HP debuff / purge somebody needs to use absolute domain while the ppl rebuff etc.

The thing is, AD has a 3minute cooldown and the longer it takes to kill, the more AD's cooldown becomes a serious factor.

Eoria - Harshlands

Woneo - Harshlands wrote: »

tried 3-1 gba tonight with;
101 barb
101 veno
100 cleric
100 cleric
100 veno
100 sin
It 1shot the entire squad after hp debuff and then started hitting the barb for 4-10k.

How are 9x people supposed to kill this thing?

...you didn't read my guide, did you?

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=10117412#post10117412

Quilue - Sanctuary

Cleric needs pdef charms and plume shell, first priority is to purify clerics, then the tank. The extreme poison buff on your tank hurts like hell.

Also, poking djinn for triple sparks might help in getting rid of the debuff fast.

Nyxya - Harshlands

1)is weird to see how many ppl are ready to give advices on boss then never didb:laugh
2)some ppl really should learn make shorter to object idea instead type 5000 letter for a post that nobody will read
3)have you seen Mikel then bm the ex-leader of KD gear?is way beyond endgame
4)so ya a handful of ppl can do tt33 for cash since they got uber gear like already
what about the rest? buy from them?

Kane_lust - Heavens Tear

We'll ill have to say i have pretty Nice gear for some1 who dont cash shop. (I will admit i have had extream help in the past from other people.) But i Ran a TT3-1 with a pretty nice real avrage squad for a 8x-9x guild. there was Me 100 2.86aps BM, lvl 93 Veno Herc HH80 gold -HH90. lvl 100 Sin 2.0 sin. lvl 100 -26 channelling cleric . lvl 101 Barb 18k hp. we tried the GBA Boss 7 Times. all wiped and after the first time it seemed like the AOE's happened faster. So yeah 2 4.0's could do it cuz we got it down 2 1/3 way befor it started AOEing and wipeing us.

That is a pretty avrage squad and skill has no value in there. Me+2 others in there me playing 2 years or longer. also ive been playing in PW-MY When it was in beta came here when the server really started to die, and when they messed up all the chat icons. so that lil over 4 years we knew what we were doing and are rathered skilled.

So No for the people who havent played befor the HH nerf and dont have there HH90+ Gear wont know much about HH's untill they get there.

(Btw sorry for any type's i am incredibly High at the moment ^^.)

i didnt care enough to look the lvl 65 squishy, being a psy just wait till u get to FF at lvl 80. that will be a major wake up call. granted getting threw the Mobs can speed up. but the bosses a lone can take a lvl 80-85 20 min each. 20 min dont sound like much but there are 8 bosses in there 8X20 min thats 2 hours 40 min. pretty long for just 1 run. granted now that im lvl 100 ^^ It gose nice and fast lol.

HH 3-1 can still be kind of use full. They only nerfed the HH3-1 boss u get GBA's from.
i have had a few veno friends take me threw and kill every boss but that 1.

Sorry just hopeing this will end this pretty long of a thread for 1 simple question...

and i dont like noob know it all's so hopefully they read this and take some of it to mind to understand from a vet of PW thinks lol. Let me inform u when i first started playing i could get a gold charm for 400k and would AOE Grind 40,50,60,70% Of levels off befor BH Came out befor all the oricles befor the hypers.

Born_Free - Harshlands

Kane_lust - Heavens Tear wrote: »

and i dont like noob know it all's so hopefully they read this and take some of it to mind to understand from a vet of PW thinks lol. Let me inform u when i first started playing i could get a gold charm for 400k and would AOE Grind 40,50,60,70% Of levels off befor BH Came out befor all the oricles befor the hypers.

Some of us noobs are pro's rolling noobs. And believe me when I say, I wish to god we were rewound to those times again...400k charms would do me well on my Psychic. xD


I went back to Dreamweaver on my cleric to test out 3-2, just for the heck of it. Now you have to remember, my cleric is level 101.
Our party consisted of a 99 barb, a 101 BM, a 96 venomancer, a 97 Psychic, and a 95 Assassin.

Mind you, I was charmed, plume shelled, and spamming heals all over the place.
Barb got taken out first.
Then the BM.
The veno's herc, and then the veno herself.
The Psychic took aggro. He stood his ground before his charm went out and my heals weren't enough. (Level 10 IH.)
The Assassin went stealth and ran away. (OMFG! >:C)(We killed him shortly afterwards, simply because he was Calamity.)

Lastly, I went down.


I used to be able to walk all the hell over 3-2, or at least get by decently without panicking. But THIS is ridiculous. If our squad of almost 10x can't farm this, what in the WORLD makes you think people at 9x can?! This has seriously become impossible for anybody who isn't bringing out the Visa for a little extra help. I can't imagine my Psychic at 98 doing this....

It's very difficult.


And Michael is still wandering around forums?
.-. Michael....your faction's dead, jsyk. b:sad

Kane_lust - Heavens Tear

Ohh 1 more thing....

Feynira. Please u From what i see dont know much about gear and prices...

"pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=b19d0e0cd145eafb"

I Read that was going to be your end game gear without cash shoping. Lets see if u know about that gear.

First off as the neck you are wereing is a Cube necky. yes it can be farmed will take a long long time. Ask some1 who knows that did it Rule... u really have no life Rule lol. and if u want to buy that neck its ranging 100mill last i checked. Okay Next Not sure about the right ring, But the 1 on the left is a Gold FF Ring, The price on that is 20-30mil. Ohh my thats 130mill ^^. Next item

Your robe. that is what a Event robe30-40 mill. ohh my Thats 170mill Wow thats some pretty Gear for some1 who will never cash shop lol
Next.

i see a TT 90 gold weapon, prob able to farm in a few weeks time. But +8 is pretty hard to get. good luck and hope u can compleat that within 1 year not likely but good luck.

Born_Free - Harshlands

Kane_lust - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Ohh 1 more thing....

Feynira. Please u From what i see dont know much about gear and prices...

-_- I'm not Feynira-- If you haven't noticed, I'm a higher level than her, and on a completely different server. Also, I know plenty about prices; there's a 101 cleric sitting in DW server that hasn't seen action in almost a year and a half. I arrived here during open beta, so please, don't be so foolishly rash to think my level reflects my knowledge.

Try again.

Kane_lust - Heavens Tear wrote: »

"pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=b19d0e0cd145eafb"

I Read that was going to be your end game gear without cash shoping. Lets see if u know about that gear.

First off as the neck you are wereing is a war soul necky. yes it can be farmed will take a long long time.

Already done. My husband's a 10x BM with nothing to do. And I do plan to get there without Cash Shopping-- I'm too stingy to pay money.

Kane_lust - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Okay Next Not sure about the right ring, But the 1 on the left is a Gold FF Ring, The price on that is 20-30mil. Ohh my thats 130mill ^^. Next item

The ring on the right is TT90 gold...and getting an FF ring on Harshlands is not that hard. Trust me, if you WC it, chances are one of the Zulu's has one for spare. I may actually switch out the FF for the critical ring from the daily quests...but I can't remember if it can be refined or not; which is important if you're an endgame Psychic because refines = soulforce = higher damage. If it can't be refined there's no point in me having it.

Kane_lust - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Your robe. that is what a Event robe30-40 mill. ohh my Thats 170mill Wow thats some pretty Gear for some1 who will never cash shop lol

Oh, very possible. My husband's a Cash Shopper with a lot of spare items; that includes the cape and the book.

Kane_lust - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i see a TT 90 gold weapon, prob able to farm in a few weeks time. But +8 is pretty hard to get. good luck and hope u can compleat that within 1 year not likely but good luck.

With TW money being mirages and Zulu owning more land than noobs these days, Mirages are NOT that uncommon to find in large bundles sitting in the AH.

Judging by the sarcasm, it ALMOST sounds like you're TRYING to be Michael_Dark. Good luck, and hope you can complete that in within a year, it's not likely, but good luck anyway. b:bye

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »

Judging by the sarcasm, it ALMOST sounds like you're TRYING to be Michael_Dark. Good luck, and hope you can complete that in within a year, it's not likely, but good luck anyway. b:bye

-9001 points for him if he tries that. There can only be one. b:chuckle

I don't think he tries that though.

@Kane_lust: On our server there is non-cser barb that already has Lunar Nirvana +12 axes without CSing and at least one Nirvana piece 4 soc with 4x JoSD +7. And that's just a start lol.