fix that tt yet?

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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Marche - Harshlands wrote: »
    check my second add on :3

    basicaly ur missing my whole point dumb *** ur saying ZOMGSS!!!!!!! THE DROPS RATES ARE WRONG THE DROP RATE FOR AN Empire's Sigh 14.8319% IS THIS IN PWI...im simply telling you your a dumb *** and ur well ****in wrong

    So you're saying that all the droprates in PWDB are wrong? Do you have actual data to prove that?

    Also, calling me a dumbass twice and telling me that I'm wrong won't do anything until you actually prove it.
    i did hundred of tt any type any kind anyway any team and i know gold drops like never..you come here show numbers means...nothing really..if you so literate you should know a 10% chance drop means that item can never drop also...1% is hilarious with THIS DIFICULTY ON BOSS where i spend alone 500k coin in charm and pots //// boss that is for 1 boss....to get luminostones..come on even if you are moderator and try easy this **** tt change cant say is RIGHT!!!!

    Well yes, it's only "expected", not "guaranteed". If you're going into a TT and expecting to come out with profit, you're acting irrational. That's like going into a casino and expecting to come out with more money than you went in with.
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  • Marche - Harshlands
    Marche - Harshlands Posts: 295 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    i guess ht is just much more developed the harshlands... cause people over here does arma uncharmed most of the time (barb included). charm should never be a factor when an tw capable squad decides to do arma. either go gear up or just quit the game already... complaining won't solve anything... it just make you look even weaker then you already are.

    if this is as true as u say i want u make a squad film ^_^ and have every member show they arnt charmed and NO editing start to finish all deaths every thing :3 as well i wanna see their gear SS :3

    till then ur talkin **** u know nothing about ty may i also ask when was the last time u steped foot ina 3-3 wait lemme guess last night? yesterday? a week ago or was before they changed HH
  • Marche - Harshlands
    Marche - Harshlands Posts: 295 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So you're saying that all the droprates in PWDB are wrong? Do you have actual data to prove that?

    Also, calling me a dumbass twice and telling me that I'm wrong won't do anything until you actually prove it.




    we had a month long discussion about it once in my faction back when i played on LC it ended when i think it was DD or Nhihanihihani (not how its spelt ijs his name was long and i could never say/spell that sheet) went to iron man after mait one time and asked him most he got was basically when ur planing ur farming and looking about how many runs to do rely more on what the default says due to the fact that the real would basically mean u would say get Signs of Twilight 99.9415% of the time and u would basically never get any green mats or say past mats which isnt true for example i get 1 sign 1 most of my time i think they hate me -.- i buy all my signs


    edit* btw i love Nyxya is like i dont give a **** about numbers i want JUSTICE!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Marche - Harshlands wrote: »
    if this is as true as u say i want u make a squad film ^_^ and have every member show they arnt charmed and NO editing start to finish all deaths every thing :3 as well i wanna see their gear SS :3

    till then ur talkin **** u know nothing about ty may i also ask when was the last time u steped foot ina 3-3 wait lemme guess last night? yesterday? a week ago or was before they changed HH

    there is really no point for me to prove my self to some random in another server. but if you ever decided to start a char on ht feel free to look me up... oh and if you ever manages to get it to 1xx. WTS illusion stones x4 26 mil each (NO OFFERS) :P
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  • Marche - Harshlands
    Marche - Harshlands Posts: 295 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    there is really no point for me to prove my self to some random in another server. but if you ever decided to start a char on ht feel free to look me up... oh and if you ever manages to get it to 1xx. WTS illusion stones x4 26 mil each (NO OFFERS) :P


    while u dont have to i was simply pointing out which is going on alot in this thread its ur word against mine and tbh i dont really care i just like to argue xD im just sayin as off late arma is to much of a hassle and the whole HH isnt worth all that work to get like 1 or 2 green mats and like 923084238902384038 past mats u know now if they say upped drop rates that would be fine make drop rates better then they are now

    ona side not xD im good on illusions stones + im done with PWI anyway im leavein game witha eventgear/99gear BM lol im done man its not worth it anymore :/
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Marche - Harshlands wrote: »
    while u dont have to i was simply pointing out which is going on alot in this thread its ur word against mine and tbh i dont really care i just like to argue xD im just sayin as off late arma is to much of a hassle and the whole HH isnt work all that work to get like 1 or 2 green mats and like 923084238902384038 past mats u know now if they say upped drop rates that would be fine make drop rates better then they are now

    ona side not xD im good on illusions stones + im done with PWI anyway im leavein game witha eventgear/99gear BM lol im done man its not worth it anymore :/

    i'll give you that tt has become harder since that one patch a few months ago. but me and my four little illusion stone friends still stand by that 3-3 arma is farmable. maybe not by an average squad... but if you get the right people together its very farmable. and the only way anyone can even remotely burn anything more then one charm (or your 1.5 charm) is by not going in with a full competent squad.
    there is no need to increase the drop rate... just so some ego bruised people can dual farm 3-3. my 6 man squad does just fine in 3-3... even though we get a small share... 4 stones is 15+ mil each. and in the mean time i'll be happily farming nirv until i can find my stonies a nice new home.
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  • MrHanky - Harshlands
    MrHanky - Harshlands Posts: 477 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Olbaz wrote:
    Fail more, those are the default drop rates, the actual drop rates are higher due to multiple counts and multiple items per count. And by higher I mean a lot higher.

    It's funny when people come here and QQ about the drop rates being wrong based on an extremely small sample, such as 1-5 runs. Try doing 10,000 and then come back.

    10,000 runs at 2 hours per run=almost 3 years of playing nonstop 24-7.
    yer pro cause pwi aint been around that long

    and just for a clearer picture 1,000 runs at 2 hours each would take 250 days if you did tt for 8 hours a day everyday
    b:bye
  • Marche - Harshlands
    Marche - Harshlands Posts: 295 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    MrHanky - Harshlands wrote: »
    10,000 runs at 2 hours per run=almost 3 years of playing nonstop 24-7.
    yer pro cause pwi aint been around that long

    ohaider hanky b:cute whats ur drunk *** up to?
  • MrHanky - Harshlands
    MrHanky - Harshlands Posts: 477 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    bored at work reading ridiculous-ness
    b:bye
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Marche - Harshlands wrote: »
    we had a month long discussion about it once in my faction back when i played on LC it ended when i think it was DD or Nhihanihihani (not how its spelt ijs his name was long and i could never say/spell that sheet) went to iron man after mait one time and asked him most he got was basically when ur planing ur farming and looking about how many runs to do rely more on what the default says due to the fact that the real would basically mean u would say get Signs of Twilight 99.9415% of the time and u would basically never get any green mats or say past mats which isnt true for example i get 1 sign 1 most of my time i think they hate me -.- i buy all my signs

    You're interpreting the charts wrong. If you look at the numbers on the "Real Droprate" column, you'll notice that they always add to more than 100%, whereas those on the "Default Droprate" always add to 100%. What the Real Droprate tells you is the likelihood of getting at least 1 of any given item on the list. Then, if you take the inverse of the number on the "Real Droprate" column, you'll get the average, or expected, amount of kills you'll need to get the item. Of course, the latter numbers should be rounded up to the nearest integer.

    And even then, they're just "expected", not "guaranteed". However, what is guaranteed is that if you took a sizable sample of kills and looked at the drops and counted the average drop rate from there, the larger your sample, the closer the number would be to the one in the chart.
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  • MrHanky - Harshlands
    MrHanky - Harshlands Posts: 477 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    im not even gonna talk about gold mat drops even in the old TT cause personally i think im a jinx
    in about 50 or so FULL 3-3 run i saw about 5 gold mats
    and by % i shouldve saw that from each boss but that was total for whole run

    anyway i think im jinxed and ruin drops if i go :(
    b:bye
  • Marche - Harshlands
    Marche - Harshlands Posts: 295 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    MrHanky - Harshlands wrote: »
    im not even gonna talk about gold mat drops even in the old TT cause personally i think im a jinx
    in about 50 or so FULL 3-3 run i saw about 5 gold mats
    and by % i shouldve saw that from each boss but that was total for whole run

    anyway i think im jinxed and ruin drops if i go :(

    ur just jinxed in general
  • MrHanky - Harshlands
    MrHanky - Harshlands Posts: 477 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    zzzz 4 sox lunar chest on da floor .....yea im jinxed
    b:bye
  • Evanera - Heavens Tear
    Evanera - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,423 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    I knew this would happen, when the new TT patch came out everyone was QQing about how impossible it was. Then I said with a bit of practice, the new TT would be hard, but very doable once you get the hang of it. Was I right? Yes, I was. I did runs lastnight on my veno, and there was only 1 person who was charmed, not even the cleric, and we did just fine, only a few deaths when emperor decided to one shot the archer/sin. We did multiple runs in a row doing just fine. So no, sorry, this new TT is far from impossible. Once you learn how to actually do it instead of just complaining, you'll be fine.
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  • SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear
    SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,225 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I knew this would happen, when the new TT patch came out everyone was QQing about how impossible it was. Then I said with a bit of practice, the new TT would be hard, but very doable once you get the hang of it. Was I right? Yes, I was. I did runs lastnight on my veno, and there was only 1 person who was charmed, not even the cleric, and we did just fine, only a few deaths when emperor decided to one shot the archer/sin. We did multiple runs in a row doing just fine. So no, sorry, this new TT is far from impossible. Once you learn how to actually do it instead of just complaining, you'll be fine.

    Spamming sutra/IG and having to change my genie to include AD instead of a more useful skill is lame. TT was fun when if somebody died it was during a rush or they did something stupid and you could laugh about it in vent, now if somebody dies its because they decided to lump all skills/buffs/debuffs into EVERY boss and somebodies AD was in cooldown, it's no longer fun or funny, just annoying.

    Nobody runs TT anymore and if they do they only want 4/5aps or it's just for a BH.

    While it IS doable, you can't sit there and say it's ran nearly as much as it use to be.
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  • Evanera - Heavens Tear
    Evanera - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,423 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Only time ANY apoth was used in our party was when the cleric got slept + stunned at steel and the BM almost died, and that was it as far as I can remember.

    Of course this new TT isn't as doable as before, I didn't say it was.

    We were in vent for the runs, the last time I had so much fun was a looooooong time ago, we all were laughing about things happening, but while we were doing that, we stayed alive mostly. It was just pure fun all around, minus the fact we got the bad gold drops.

    Oh..nobody in squad is a cash shopper, just in case anyone wants to use that argument against me.
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Only time ANY apoth was used in our party was when the cleric got slept + stunned at steel and the BM almost died, and that was it as far as I can remember.

    Of course this new TT isn't as doable as before, I didn't say it was.

    We were in vent for the runs, the last time I had so much fun was a looooooong time ago, we all were laughing about things happening, but while we were doing that, we stayed alive mostly. It was just pure fun all around, minus the fact we got the bad gold drops.

    Oh..nobody in squad is a cash shopper, just in case anyone wants to use that argument against me.

    translation: I, Evanera, will hereby farm all of your gold mats for free.
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  • Eoria - Harshlands
    Eoria - Harshlands Posts: 6,118 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Oi. Ignore them. Not everyone on Harshlands is an idiot. I welcome the changes and want to try to figure them out. XD

    Still working on how to do Emp. I have a sinking suspicion that it'll be a lot easier with archer or sin with bow tanking rather than barb or BM though... b:embarrass
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  • Renza - Raging Tide
    Renza - Raging Tide Posts: 1,939 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    the problem these *hay, i can pwn TT 3-1 to 3-3 bozz and it iz nat az ard az u say it iz blah blah blah* are/always the 95+10x with there 90 gear already sorted refined and what not, you cant say *we have done loads of runs with only level 90s that dont have there TT gear yet* can u?

    ppl talk so much **** its just stupid, TT 3-x has been made into a daft dificulty level due to the games natural mechanics and does not suit what the devs has done, if it was an actual skill based game, not luck and auto targeting, i could understand, but the last time i checked, bosses were able to kill non HA or refined so an insane degree users in 1-2 hits without even have to do so much as strike near u, seemings as every single thing *homes* in like a heat seeking rocket, or am i wrong? if so, please prove it.

    story is, TT is fked, no question about it, if u disagree, im calling u an idiot and your ego is to big for ur own good.
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  • Redmenace - Heavens Tear
    Redmenace - Heavens Tear Posts: 908 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I bet ur squad wiped about 10 times, have four 5aps users, or you're lying through your furry face.

    I can't express how painful it is to say this.

    I agree.

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  • Mendolin - Sanctuary
    Mendolin - Sanctuary Posts: 1,092 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    it is possible to do... i have been the solo cleric in it- it sucks but its doable with some practice...

    sage psy with sage life bubble helps (i think that was pwi's plan... to make the new classes necessary)

    but yes... only the wealthy can do it- pwi is just making the rich richer.... this is a perfect example of that :/ *goes to QQ moar*
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  • Nyxya - Harshlands
    Nyxya - Harshlands Posts: 178 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    fine lol i am noob and my veno is weak as ****... last thing....
    when you raise difficulty to some boss you normally raise 10-20%?maybe 30%? this is like 200% i really don't find it appropriate and one think is sure...less and less ppl open tt gates now..way less ...me one of them...not because i cant kill tt33 boss but the cost to do that in time pots charm is way way over rewards...i like 21 but hey gimme some kings sometimesb:laugh
  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    This is what 5aps has done to the game.

    All those who say they have done it -- I challenge you to do it with no fist/claw or sin with -interval in squad, then we'll talk.

    Meanwhile, a 5aps barb can solo 3-3 emperor with bloodpaint.
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Renza - Raging Tide wrote: »
    the problem these *hay, i can pwn TT 3-1 to 3-3 bozz and it iz nat az ard az u say it iz blah blah blah* are/always the 95+10x with there 90 gear already sorted refined and what not, you cant say *we have done loads of runs with only level 90s that dont have there TT gear yet* can u?

    ppl talk so much **** its just stupid, TT 3-x has been made into a daft dificulty level due to the games natural mechanics and does not suit what the devs has done, if it was an actual skill based game, not luck and auto targeting, i could understand, but the last time i checked, bosses were able to kill non HA or refined so an insane degree users in 1-2 hits without even have to do so much as strike near u, seemings as every single thing *homes* in like a heat seeking rocket, or am i wrong? if so, please prove it.

    story is, TT is fked, no question about it, if u disagree, im calling u an idiot and your ego is to big for ur own good.

    lol... i rather be an idiot with mats... then an idiot without mats.
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  • Mendolin - Sanctuary
    Mendolin - Sanctuary Posts: 1,092 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    This is what 5aps has done to the game.

    All those who say they have done it -- I challenge you to do it with no fist/claw or sin with -interval in squad, then we'll talk.

    Meanwhile, a 5aps barb can solo 3-3 emperor with bloodpaint.

    i dont think anyone is arguing with you....

    i said i have done it- but agree that it only makes the rich richer because they are the only ones able to farm it... there is a group of 5.0 aps sins/bms that farm that instance regularly... :/ makes me sad

    but the point is- they wont change it... they dont care
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  • Eoria - Harshlands
    Eoria - Harshlands Posts: 6,118 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Hint: There's totally a reason for TT revamp beyond 5aps people soloing.

    Know how Lunar costs 3mil to open, is easier, and you have a very high chance of gold drop? Well, considering TT is pretty much free to open, it makes sense for it to be harder and have less droprate.

    So...pick your poison for your Nirvana.
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  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    lol... i rather be an idiot with mats... then an idiot without mats.
    I'm so pro I got green mats from emperor even when he wiped almost whole squad but the 5aps barb who soloed. Am I doing it right?
  • SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear
    SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,225 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »
    Hint: There's totally a reason for TT revamp beyond 5aps people soloing.

    Know how Lunar costs 3mil to open, is easier, and you have a very high chance of gold drop? Well, considering TT is pretty much free to open, it makes sense for it to be harder and have less droprate.

    So...pick your poison for your Nirvana.

    You're under the impression that PWE uses "Logic".

    They screwed up TT to make more money, plain and simple.
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  • Michael - Harshlands
    Michael - Harshlands Posts: 348 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    The question with TT will always be how fast do you need to do it, personally I know dozens of different ways to farm 3-3 some are slow and safe (and doable by low refined players) and some are faster but slightly more risky

    3-3 Emp can be done by 2 interval users and a cleric + 1 ranged DD (ranged DD takes the aggro when the bm/sin combo get stunned) or equally it can be done by a single poorly geared pole BM, 1 EP and a ranged DD (ranged DD has to watch aggro a bit more in this case as pole BM's arent 5aps)

    Emporer is a pure physical boss with a absolutely pathetic physical aoe when attacked at range, interestingly enough a pole happens to hit bosses outside their physical attack range forcing emp to spam his 1k phys aoe (on the BM) when the boss goes insane (does his big aoe) you will get hit for 8k magical damage (dont have pdef marrow on or you will get 1 shot) and pretty much with 11-12k hp and a charm you could just solo it with a pole or if you had no charm just get a single cleric who can survive the magic hit and he can heal you a little (no need to spam the damage is tiny)

    Equally if your doing emporer the 5aps way if your hp drops too low simply leap forward (away from EP) let your charm tick then leap back and resume DDing as the bosses ranged physical attack wont kill you fast enough. Dont leap back (towards EP) as emps physical aoe hurts clerics and you could wipe your cleric if your not careful

    Steelation's 5 APS attack is also melee so if you use a pole your outside of 5aps range and you can slowly just whittle down the bosses hp, (after the 5aps ends move in with fists and DD fast then move back 15 secs later and resume pole beating)

    Archer tanking on emp and steelation also works very well because they are weak ranged attackers but strong melee ones, Knowledge of the bosses ingame is extremely important when your farming an instance, if you just want to sit there tanking with pure DPS its not really that interesting as there are so many other options on how to do it which are safer but require you to actually pay attention

    Regarding the droprate I havent really seen any issue with it you do enough 3-3 runs and you can see single runs dropping 6 gold mats on 1x drops (3x sighs from emp, 1 boot mat 1 chest and 1 minister gold) I have also seen heart of nature drop (for my fist on 2x) and goldenmask (on 1x for p2's axe), you will also see many runs of 0 golds but thats why you farm it multiple times not just once.
  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    The issue is his big AOEs that wipes the whole squad and that occult ice on crack that does 5k damage to me instantly with 17k water resistance... 2nd tick and I'm dead in 0.5 secs from it.

    And yes I'm talking about an AOE that wipes people around him, not the frontal one aka the old emperor.

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