An Early GM Response to the TW Changes

Nekhebet - Heavens Tear wrote: »

On HT players will still "depend on a faction disbanding out of the kindness of its heart" to get "a diverse TW". Enrage will own the map in 6 weeks and we didn't even need to fake bid to achieve that. So u'r changes are worth nothing. The only thing i can say is that instead of making the TW feature interesting whit the new patch u just gave us the chance to own the map without no effort and tbh without any costs.
I just hope next major update won't kill the game for good cause well now that TW is boring i assume u will "FIX" pwe content b:chuckle

Yeah, the #2 use to last 1.5hrs and use a whole charm.

Now Fighting #2 AND #3 lasted 11 and 40mins and barely broke into my charm.

This is TW on the cheap.

I just saved a ton of money on my TW by switching to Failco TW insurance.

Well...at least PKing will be popular....right? o.O

If gold fall donw like GM said on all server (atm) rich ppl who earned money on TW pay (before) will much powerfull than ppl who didnt and they will have charms (100%) it isnt fair -.- still CS will owning @ TW/PK

other way with new server just CS will owining @TW/PK other ppl will stat fair cuz no1 havent coins at start...


Why GMs Dont back old style of game?wihtout packs?(maybe 1 week in 60day),with hypers(helping alot and its cheap),ofc could be old tw pay/or not -.-' (without oracles and hypers(maybe) ppl will back on RBs/Zhen)

all ppl will have fair fight,CS will be strong but not too much they will have better gear but if they dont know to play and lvlup their char all ppl will have a chance to beat tham.

frankieraye wrote: »

The reason is this: The patch just came out, and some time really has to pass before any of us truly knows the effects of it.

I'm reading all of your concerns and I've thrown in some of my own opinions about the patch. Kantorek has done the same. I read you loud and clear; the TW pay has been decreased and you're worried about not being able to afford charms anymore. You feel like we're ruining a beautiful part of the game. I understand that; this is a pretty big change to the system, so it's normal that you're worried about it.

I love TW. It and the Gold Trade system are my two favorite parts about PWI; TW brings factions together for a hardcore, team-oriented endgame event. The Gold Trade system makes it so that no player is excluded from the Cash Shop, as long as they're willing to put time and effort into the game. These two systems are what differentiate PWI from every other F2P out there.

Let me just assure you that we do NOT want to ruin the TW system. From what I understand, these changes were implemented to combat problems that have plagued longer-running versions of PW -- those in Malaysia and China. I have to say that I do like the idea of taking what we know about those versions and using it to try to protect this version.

What I'm asking is that we give this system some time before condemning it for good. There has been a lot of speculation, and the majority of you are very much against it, and that's been noted, believe me.

But for now, this is the game, and these are the changes that have been made to it. We will be closely monitoring what happens with TW over this next month, and Konari, Aryanna, and myself will be on these boards to hear you out during the process.

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Update:

The changes should make TW far more competitive.

The old way, once a faction holds half the map, they are making 300M coin per week, which leads to:

#1 - Poaching elite players from smaller factions who want to get in on the Coins.

#2 - Being able to either pay for charms or fake bids, both of which give them a huge advantage over a non-TW faction.

So the huge faction continues winning its battles (whether they are legit battles or fake battles), and it wins 90% of every winning bid. Legit wins give them a new source of income, and fake bid wins only cost them 10% of the bid that they themselves made (keep in mind that you don't need charms for a fake battle).

Eventually, the dominant faction has enough coins to outbid everyone for 200M coins each through fake bids. They then get back 90% of each of these 200M coin bids. The map ultimately is entirely theirs.

This is why, with the former system, PW in Malaysia and China ultimately ended up with the territory war map completely taken over and nothing anyone could do about it.


With the new rules in place, huge factions will no longer be getting enough coins from the TW system to be able to afford Charms and fake bids every week. You will no longer have to depend on a faction disbanding out of the kindness of its heart to have a diverse TW map.

Making TW more competitive? lol Factions stopped bidding how is that supposed to be competitive? seriously

Thanks for killing TW Frankie and not listening to your customers

frankieraye wrote: »

If a dominant faction bids 200M in the current system, that's 200M lost, so I really don't see it happening.


Also, I'm taking down many of the views expressed here to be forwarded to China, so please keep them coming if you haven't shared your opinion yet.

Fake bidding wasn't much of an issue before, at least on dreamweaver. And now it would just be a waste, because the 2nd strongest faction seems to have largely given up on tw as it is, having difficulty getting 80 people for wars and so on. Other than that, it hasn't done anything to make the tws be more competitive than they were before now.

If needed i'll go find some posts from Equinox members to confirm this.

frankieraye wrote: »

If a dominant faction bids 200M in the current system, that's 200M lost, so I really don't see it happening.


Also, I'm taking down many of the views expressed here to be forwarded to China, so please keep them coming if you haven't shared your opinion yet.

Why do you keep on about 200mil and the dominant Faction for ?
In my time on PW I can only remember seeing one 200mil bid and that was 2 weeks ago ( by a non-dominant faction )

The dominant faction can only take 1 land per week regardless of the bid size and if they manage to take the whole map, kudos to them for working for x amount of months to do it.

The changes havent affected the dominant factions at all, at least not in a negative way. If anything the changes are good for them.

The changes have:

A ) Made people lose interest in TW with the new bidding system = less bids on dominant faction = Good for them

B ) Harder for smaller factions to work together to gank the dominant one = Good for them.

Seriously stop listening to the spin your bosses give you and listen to your players .
The players seem to know more about PWI than your bosses .. It's simple listen to them .. before you lose them ..

Conavar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The changes havent affected the dominant factions at all, at least not in a negative way. If anything the changes are good for them.

The changes have:

A ) Made people lose interest in TW with the new bidding system = less bids on dominant faction = Good for them

B ) Harder for smaller factions to work together to gank the dominant one = Good for them.

C ) Salary leechers have mostly moved on. The people left are in faction for the right reasons.

D ) Less competition = faster wars = less charm burm = less cash/gold/coin spent.


People are still applying to faction, that hasn't changed. Except we know they're not applying for salary anymore. This will make our faction even stronger and better. Also more difficult to beat in war, perhaps not immediately, but definitely in the long run.

frankieraye wrote: »

If a dominant faction bids 200M in the current system, that's 200M lost, so I really don't see it happening.


Also, I'm taking down many of the views expressed here to be forwarded to China, so please keep them coming if you haven't shared your opinion yet.

There's only been one 200mil bid ever made on my server, and that was during the Tideborn release. HDT (if I remember correctly) made the bid to secure themselves as the first faction to take and hold the new expansion lands (which they quickly lost a few weeks later).

This "200mil fake bid" thing you keep going on about either: A) never happend, or: happened on one or two servers over the past 2 years.

Edit: It might have been xBushidox

JiEunxD - Archosaur wrote: »

Salary leechers? Usually, the TW pay just covers the costs of TW, and it usually does not give them extra profit. That is the case for me, but I guess there are those that pretend to work, but don't and get profit. Either way, it still negatively affects the guilds that actually work for what they want.

Ever met a super rich TWing veno with a nix?

I knew several that made bank from TW, since all they had to do was kite with a nix. Minimal input (like a bronze charm) and maximum gain.

frankieraye wrote: »

Update:

The changes should make TW far more competitive.

The old way, once a faction holds half the map, they are making 300M coin per week, which leads to:

#1 - Poaching elite players from smaller factions who want to get in on the Coins.

#2 - Being able to either pay for charms or fake bids, both of which give them a huge advantage over a non-TW faction.

So the huge faction continues winning its battles (whether they are legit battles or fake battles), and it wins 90% of every winning bid. Legit wins give them a new source of income, and fake bid wins only cost them 10% of the bid that they themselves made (keep in mind that you don't need charms for a fake battle).

Eventually, the dominant faction has enough coins to outbid everyone for 200M coins each through fake bids. They then get back 90% of each of these 200M coin bids. The map ultimately is entirely theirs.

This is why, with the former system, PW in Malaysia and China ultimately ended up with the territory war map completely taken over and nothing anyone could do about it.


With the new rules in place, huge factions will no longer be getting enough coins from the TW system to be able to afford Charms and fake bids every week. You will no longer have to depend on a faction disbanding out of the kindness of its heart to have a diverse TW map.

I find it hilarious that instead of looking at your own servers history of TW, TW Payout and Gold prices, to see how many 200m bids were made you went straight to the one server that doesn't looks like anything PWI servers look like.

Next week, will you give us 5 Gold per every USD we charge, just because that's how much we will get if we were to charge our money in Malaysian or Chinese servers?

The one server that achieved a full map, gave it back away for the fun of TW. The other servers that have had a dominant faction. Have barely ever had 200m bids on their servers, and when those happened, they always had a reason behind it that barely ever involved the dominant faction.

You cannot compare PW-CN or MY servers with PWI servers,
the number of players is not the same: whats the market size in China/MY vs the market size in PWI servers?
the amount of players that use a cash shop is not the same: whats the % of people that have used a prepaid card or a credit card vs the ones that have never used it for both game titles?
the amount of money spent in the cash shop is not the same: How much on average do they spend, compared to those versions? What can they adquire with their income?
The time the servers have been open its not the same: PWI is 2 years old, how old are the PW CN/MY servers? Old enough for a faction to control a map for well over a year maybe? Here just 2 servers have gotten it done, and none of them could last over a month with that control.
the control to the "game order" is not the same: here I can get banned for making my eyes of a freakishly blue color if my character editor screen doesnt allow it. In CN/MY fan screenshots I see alien-like TBs all over the place. Here bots are reported and GMs generally have a fairly quick response (I mean under 1 week >.<) when you compare it to the amount of farming bots that the game cannot control in CN/MY versions.

Because your child has a headache, you don't just give him 2 adult aspirins assuming it will turn into a migraine just like it happens with your brother. It could be anything from dehydration to Lyme's disease. If you do give him an aspirin right away, it could have been dengue fever, and you just provoked him an hemorrhagic fever from your "prevention system".

Give your own servers more time to adapt to the overflow of packs, the excess of anniversary packs, the lack of gold supplied directly through AH to non cash players, control the freakish amount of money you yourselves inject to the economy through such packs, events and make lesser versions of items that are cash shop only acquirable through a merchant. Just like you can get an ugly brown horse for 1.5m coin (4-5 gold) at the pet manager, but the pretty mounts cost you way more than that.

I would pay 200-300k coin to a merchant for a bronze charm, 500-600k for a silver one.
I would pay 800k-900k coins for 10 tisha stones, if a merchant was selling it.
Who wouldn't? and it would be a real, useful sink of coin, not this really lame excuse you have brought us because "it worked in China" even thought it doesn't looks at all like PWI servers

I already gave my point of view on TW pay, which could be made warsoul tags or even event cash shop instead of this useless mirage cut of our income by 90%. But how about, make TW an event-like instance, keep the same mechanics as they are right now. 80 people 2 crystals, 4-8 catapults, certain towers. Give contribution points based on Damage dealt to a target/PK kill count, as well as damage dealt to a crystal by a squad (which would benefit largely the CT squads, the ones that take the higher toll of costs during TW). Give the winner faction extra points just like you do to winner rooms in CoA and have them being able to trade in their contribution point rewards for prizes that would make them better at the game. Not stupid mounts or fashion. But shards, gear, charms, stuff like that.

It's funny, because you guys have made every tool available to make your own game decent. and you yourselves chose the worse way to use them when it comes to "balancing". You have a survival and damage index on every player's build, which you can see through an eye of observation. The sum of said index (I hope and assume) of every player in each faction = Total "Payout" of a faction (index you see when a faction attacks some land). Best way to stop fake bidding would be to assign (after the enemy has been declared) randomly the land a faction attacks. Taking into account proximity to land, and faction power index alongside with ELO Rating system, so that attacks are all evened out.

To be put up easily:
1) War declaration begins. 12 factions declare war on Calamity and pick a territory. It ends. Equinox, Dynasty, Vanquish, HDT, Violated, _Legacy_, Exclusive and 2 fake bids attacked us.
2) Of all those factions, the ones with a land dispute, will have the option to either have a bid war (with no refund) or attack a different land
3) After all disputes are settled, the ELO Rating system + Faction power index selects a RANDOM schedule for the whole TW weekend. just like right now, 3 wars a time slot, 6 available time slots.

Fake bidding in PWI (and Im sure in China and MY servers too) has never been aimed for 1 easy TW, but to break a hard TW time slot, because its very clear, that the schedule depends on what land you attack in the map. Factions that are defending it, fake bid to break 2-3 great contenders of slotting together. Attacking factions fake bid to get slotted together.

Have you guys even considered the reality of Perfect World International servers while you were uploading this update into our servers? Because it seems like your response is pretty well based on the reality of PW China and Malaysian servers. Not ours. Should drop by more often in our servers for other than announcing that a black raptor taxi is the best kind of taxi.

Chasee - Archosaur wrote: »

And Why u understand we are not inChina or Malasya...

Not we are not but the developers of PWI are which is what Frankie meant.

NightRage - Raging Tide wrote: »

If a dominant faction bidded 200M in the old system, that's 20M lost, and it never happened.

I really don't get where you're coming from.

Yes it happened, when Equinox took 1k we bid 200 million for it.