[Discussion of Territory War Changes 8-5-10]
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Pattoe - Raging Tide wrote: »Join us in the fight to get this changed back, would be nice to have a mod on our side, someone to say that our voice does matter.
Whether or not he would be on our side, our voice DOES matter, that's the entire point of this thread.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
awww guys guys............ U guys are taking this all wrong....
what pwe trying to say to is asking us politely to leave this game and find another one to play.
or stop spending any more of ur RL moneys into it anymore by making this changess.
I might not be smart, but i think i finally decoded the msg ... dan dan dan ...
Peace out yall....and may more new comers to this game spend more money than those leave
** oh PS *** stop taking out on GMs guys.. GM pretty much dont have any clue what is going on ... blame it on Devs ...0 -
Pattoe - Raging Tide wrote: »I don't feel rebellious enough, now. b:cry
if the GMs and Mods really cared about us, they'd go on strike for us, until changes were implemented, this is their forum, afterall, aren't they displeased PWE is ignoring it completely and making them silence us by putting us all into one thread so we can be ignored easily?
Not sure:
I suspect the following
The changes were made at a proper time to evaluate the response of the community and the event ( Facebook thing) was planned to succeed. The 2 x event was destined to come at some point and the update was postponed and synchronized with this event to reduce the massive response after the changes that were made.
The reason I suspect is this:
http://www.pwrd.com/html/en/news_c_100802.html
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Perfect World to Announce Second Quarter 2010 Financial Results on August 16, 2010
Beijing China (August 2, 2010) - Perfect World Co., Ltd. (NASDAQ: PWRD) ("Perfect World" or the "Company"), a leading online game developer and operator based in China, today announced that it will release unaudited financial results for the second quarter ended June 30, 2010, after the market closes on Monday, August 16, 2010.
The Company will host a corresponding conference call and live webcast at 9:00 pm Eastern Daylight Time on Monday, August 16, 2010 (9:00 am Beijing time on Tuesday, August 17, 2010).
The dial-in details for the live conference call are as follows:
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Conference ID: PWRD
A live and archived webcast of the conference call will be available on the Investor Relations section of Perfect World's website at http://www.pwrd.com.
A telephone replay of the call will be available after the conclusion of the conference call through 10:00 am Eastern Daylight Time, August 24, 2010.
The dial-in details for the replay are as follows:
- U.S. Toll Free Number: 1-866-214-5335
- International Dial-in Number: +61-2-8235-5000
Conference ID: 7973(PWRD)
About Perfect World Co., Ltd. (http://www.pwrd.com)
Perfect World Co., Ltd. (NASDAQ: PWRD) is a leading online game developer and operator based in China. Perfect World primarily develops online games based on proprietary game engines and game development platforms. The Company's strong technology and creative game design capabilities, combined with extensive knowledge and experiences in the online game market, enable it to frequently and promptly introduce popular games designed to cater changing customer preferences and market trends. The Company's current portfolio of self-developed online games includes massively multiplayer online role playing games ("MMORPGs"): "Perfect World," "Legend of Martial Arts," "Perfect World II," "Zhu Xian," "Chi Bi," "Pocketpet Journey West," "Battle of the Immortals" and "Fantasy Zhu Xian;" and an online casual game: "Hot Dance Party." While a substantial portion of the revenues are generated in China, the Company's games have been licensed to leading game operators in a number of countries and regions in Asia, Europe and South America. The Company also generates revenues from game operations in North America and Japan. The Company plans to continue to explore new and innovative business models and remains deeply committed to maximizing shareholder value over time.
For further information, please contact
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They need to present some nice figures to their stockholders in the near future.
I'm just guessing here, but it makes more sense then "we need to preserve the game because, blah blah blah
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Exegesis - Heavens Tear wrote: »Gold prices cant get too low cause of the huge amount of fail Chest of Coins.. I bet tons of ppl have thousands of them stocked on an alt somewhere so gold prices to drop a lot I wont see happen whatever is done. As long as the packs and all **** is there, sure its fun and gives ppl that can put money in this game great gear. but now with a chance of +12 dragon orbs, dear god..
Seems to me devs. want PWI to die and focus on other games they make by making the strongest people get even stronger so they can use some more cash before they get tired and quit cause its nothing to do anymore.
2 years ago:
* Normal TW pay
* Normal price for DQ drops
* No BH
* No hyperstones
* No perfect hammers
* No Anniversary Packs
* No Corral Packs
* No Year of the tiger packs
* No Dragon orb packs
* No packs at all that actually mattered.
= 100k ish gold price.. happy players that relied on skills and amount of work they did to get gear and grinding their lvls.
Now:
* mirages as TW pay
* 20% less coins for DQ drops
* BH
* perfect hammers
* Year of the tiger packs
* Dragon orb packs
* more expensive to teleport
* Hyperstones
* new OP packs at every update under new names.
= 450k ish gold.. unhappy players that dont like stupid changes that feels like they get screwed over.. old good player core quit, no more point in being a weekend warrior for TW. New players that grew up on hyperstones and FF and BH, that are pretty much fast lvling players that lacks skill, making more fail runs in instances and more QQing.
2x drops event screwed TT mats prices, and still not going up after a long time since it was 2x drop..
Even though I enjoy decent gear etc that packs brought etc etc, I still think the old days before Anni packs was the greatest..
I do like the new chat system, the item thing is really nice..
Most stuff is nice, but the stuff put in Boutique kills the game sadly.. + the TW thing im sure many of the biggest cash shoppers will move on to other games..
I think ill kill some more time here and talk to friends in game untill I quit... sooner then I thought im sure of. b:bye
1. GM screwed PWI , they can fixed but making it worst
2. Greed cause to everything Abuse the game more GM's by selling pack like Anniveray b:victoryb:victory0 -
Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »These changes are for one primary purpose, to make people charge more. Or sit there and farm all day and night and merch. Those aren't viable options for everyone.
No, that won't be likely to happen either. Most people in the largest factions, at least the majority of the core have known each other for 6+ months to two years. We're not going to leave our friends to join a guild filled with nubs we don't even know, or only know one or two people in, and then have a hard time getting anything else in-game done. Sorry logical fallacies.... on all of your points.
So what you are saying is TW is your way of not having to farm or merchant? Its an easy buck. But what everyone keeps saying is even before this that the reward didn't cover their cost. So which is it? If it didn't cover your cost you had to farm or merch anyways to make money anyhow. Right? One important thing that people are forgetting is there is still the other rewards for owning land. You know.. the ones that wasn't money related. As I've never held a land or even TW I don't know what they was, but I know one of them was making white tea. So... there is more than just the mirages.. just sayin.SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yeah the majority of large factions are large and powerful not because of the TW income but because our factions have weeded out all the useless spamming noobs and have been filtered out to a group of 200 +/- people who like one another or enjoy the comradeship.
Who are you kidding ? I can name at least 25 ppl in Enrage that can't stand half the ppl in the faction. They are there for the pay check .. thats it.0 -
[Normal] Lenore: I could be wrong but I think he was sarcastic -_-0
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Lenore - Harshlands wrote: »I could be wrong but I think he was sarcastic -_-
You forgot to use the big font b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »So what you are saying is TW is your way of not having to farm or merchant? Its an easy buck. But what everyone keeps saying is even before this that the reward didn't cover their cost. So which is it? If it didn't cover your cost you had to farm or merch anyways to make money anyhow. Right? One important thing that people are forgetting is there is still the other rewards for owning land. You know.. the ones that wasn't money related. As I've never held a land or even TW I don't know what they was, but I know one of them was making white tea. So... there is more than just the mirages.. just sayin.
For 2 factor wars in a weekend, I need to have 4 charms ready. I also have to purchase about 1m in PK pots because I don't have time to sit there for 2 hours a day just to farm herbs, on top of running instances, gearing up, trying to save for refines.
So are you saying I should throw RL cash into the game? I'm not bad at merchanting, but having to spend 8-10m a week hurts. Especially when trying to afford to further gear up my char.
Yes, I should become a massive cash shopper, or play 8-20 hours a day to keep up with you, because obviously spending 10m+ coin a week just for TW is nothing to you.Who are you kidding ? I can name at least 25 ppl in Enrage that can't stand half the ppl in the faction. They are there for the pay check .. thats it.
Guess it sucks to be in your faction then.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »You forgot to use the big font b:chuckle
[Normal] Lenore: My bad, was distracted cuz I was in a run. It's fixed now
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Remmi - Raging Tide wrote: »Not sure:
I suspect the following
Tie that in with this
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/stock-alert/pwrd_ncty_ea-plans-to-take-stake-in-perfect-world-1094067.html
BEIJING, Aug 06, 2010 (SinoCast Daily Business Beat via COMTEX) --
Electronic Arts (EA and Nasdaq: ERTS) intends to gear up in the Chinese and North American online gaming market through taking stake in Beijing Perfect World Co., Ltd. (Nasdaq: PWRD | PowerRating).
Both sides have contacted with each other, talking about capital cooperation, according to a person in the know. This time, it is the top executives from the headquarters of EA who take charge of the investment, not heads of the Asia Pacific Region in the case of The9 Limited (Nasdaq: NCTY | PowerRating)0 -
Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »For 2 factor wars in a weekend, I need to have 4 charms ready. I also have to purchase about 1m in PK pots because I don't have time to sit there for 2 hours a day just to farm herbs, on top of running instances, gearing up, trying to save for refines.
So are you saying I should throw RL cash into the game? I'm not bad at merchanting, but having to spend 8-10m a week hurts. Especially when trying to afford to further gear up my char.
Yes, I should become a massive cash shopper, or play 8-20 hours a day to keep up with you, because obviously spending 10m+ coin a week just for TW is nothing to you.
Guess it sucks to be in your faction then.
Pretty sure no amount of land can cover over 10m in costs a week for a single player in the first place. How much do you get right now? 2m?Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
Qui: b:dirty0 -
Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »Pretty sure no amount of land can cover over 10m in costs a week for a single player in the first place. How much do you get right now? 2m?
No, but the 3m or so I was getting in TW pay certainly helped to offset the costs greatly. And it's not like that coin affected the economy in any significant fashion. If I could only afford to spend $100 on packs every week, I'd never have to worry. After all, that's pretty much what PWI wants from everyone.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
1. GM screwed PWI , they can fixed but making it worst
2. Greed cause to everything Abuse the game more GM's by selling pack like Anniveray b:victoryb:victory
Guys again it isnt Frankie and the other GMs .. They are just doing there job.. They handle tickets.. Don't confuse them with the Developers - aka Devs of a game.
They are the ones who think up the stuff and then aren't in touch with the players... That is where this game fails hard... PWI Needs a PR Person that will log on to each Server randomly and throw parties in certain Cities to just chat with the players.. To Get IDEAS FROM THE PLAYERS on what will make the game a better enviroment. Other MMOs have used this platform to make the game work better for both a Profit Standard and an Entertainment Quality for their CLIENTS!
You may call this a Free 2 Play MMO but I garrently (Per you quotes on NYSE) ya'lls average customer spends $154 dollars on each account. So yes we are a CLIENT of your Buisness. Even as Fail of one it is becoming.
The GMs, I know it is hard, but yall need to do your job as the intercessionary between US the CLIENTS and THEM the DEVs. I understand that most likely since PWI is not an "USA" Based company they are working more on an Chinesee since of Buisness. I say you do and Not a lot of thinking going on Up Stairs. But GMs .. We are asking you to Put the Pressure on them For us..
Guys if your bored.. Here is the companies information: Write em a Letter of Disgust.
Perfect World Co., Ltd.
Mr. Yufeng Chi
Founder, Chairman and Chief Exec. Officer
8th Floor Hua Kong Building
No 1 Shangdi East Road Haidian District
Beijing, 100085
China
Here is also a list of all the Major Share Holders of the Company... Write them Letters too... Hit em in the pocket book!
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=PWRD+Major+Holders0 -
Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »No, but the 3m or so I was getting in TW pay certainly helped to offset the costs greatly. And it's not like that coin affected the economy in any significant fashion. If I could only afford to spend $5000 on packs every week, I'd never have to worry. After all, that's pretty much what PWI wants from everyone.
Fixed
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OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »That kill count of 1 must be a mistake. I've never done TW or PK. I hope they fix that.
No, I don't tw. My opinion isn't uninformed. I read the same news, forums and updates that you do. I am informed quite well. I am not "enjoying" this. In the sense you think that I am.
However; I am looking forward to being able to maybe join a tw faction and TW for the fun of it. Without worrying about charms, and pots and who wins. Just for the FUN OF IT. Those who rely on it for a pay check are ticked, I get it. But I don't care b/c now the rest of us who don't have 100's of dollars to spend on this game a month can now compete and not feel intimidated.
I think they should have went a step further and only allowed certain lvls of factions to compete for certain lands. So the noob lvl 1 factions full of lvl 1-50 could actually own the noob lands... but hey.. I didn't make the changes.
I didn't deal with the cost of war b/c I was smart enough NOT to. I didn't want to spend millions a week on charms for no return. Even though they just made the no return now official, if what you guys said is true and you wasn't making enough to cover costs there will be no difference now. You just have to work a bit harder.
In essence. I'm saying put on your big boy pants and suck it up.
Why would you consider this a bad thing? Thats how it should have been to begin with.
You mean factions can't employ spies any longer... again.. a bad thing?
You are a bit clueless here, people who TW buy gold, they do not purchase it through the boutique. Why? They don't have to, they have their uber TW large pay checks.. right.. I mean thats why ev1 is upset b/c the pay is gone...? You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't say the pay out is so important that you're upset its gone and then jusitfy the means with well we weren't making enough to cover cost as it is. Either way.. no 1 should have to pay you to have fun, have it at your own expense.
LMAO, you realy dont know what you are talking about, you might know what you read in forums, but when we talking about TW you dont know nothing (as you have said yourseld), once you start doing it you will get to know how everyone who TW fell a faction who own all lands get 560 mil coins each week, assuming they have 1 decent challenge in TW each week, they would use nearly 1 gold charm. so lets do some math, lets say the faction keep 60 mil for TW stuff (apo pots, towers, future bids, etc) so we have 500 mil to split betwen 200 members, that would be 2,5 mil to each member, wich isnt much more than a gold charm those days (400-500k = 1 gold)
so explain to me how people get epic +10 gear with 2,5 mil weekly?
for the last time people, learn this or you are ****** MORONS, people in TW factions with epic gear, have them because they are CASH SHOPERS or dam good merchants
also, someone outside TW can make more than those 2,5 mil in 1 hour (15-20 minutes nirvanas runs FTW)0 -
Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »For 2 factor wars in a weekend, I need to have 4 charms ready. I also have to purchase about 1m in PK pots because I don't have time to sit there for 2 hours a day just to farm herbs, on top of running instances, gearing up, trying to save for refines.
So are you saying I should throw RL cash into the game? I'm not bad at merchanting, but having to spend 8-10m a week hurts. Especially when trying to afford to further gear up my char.
Yes, I should become a massive cash shopper, or play 8-20 hours a day to keep up with you, because obviously spending 10m+ coin a week just for TW is nothing to you.
Guess it sucks to be in your faction then.
No, but the rest of us feel this sting. I've worked hard for almost 2 years to get what I've got. Trust me.. I have tt gears and low refines. Low hp shards and a couple mil in the bank. I do not cash shop often but I do occassionally. The rest of us been doing this a long long time.. why suddenly do the ppl who TW think they are so special? You should have NEVER been paid to have fun in the first place. You are all spoiled.
SgtSlaughter is in the faction I was talking about, not me. It was also him I was addressing in that regard, not you.0 -
Yes, spending hours leveling and improving gear should not be enough to enjoy a TW, you should also come up with 6mil+ every week to be able to have fun.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Aquilez - Sanctuary wrote: »LMAO, you realy dont know what you are talking about, you might know what you read in forums, but when we talking about TW you dont know nothing (as you have said yourseld), once you start doing it you will get to know how everyone who TW fell a faction who own all lands get 560 mil coins each week, assuming they have 1 decent challenge in TW each week, they would use nearly 1 gold charm. so lets do some math, lets say the faction keep 60 mil for TW stuff (apo pots, towers, future bids, etc) so we have 500 mil to split betwen 200 members, that would be 2,5 mil to each member, wich isnt much more than a gold charm those days (400-500k = 1 gold)
so explain to me how people get epic +10 gear with 2,5 mil weekly?
for the last time people, learn this or you are ****** MORONS, people in TW factions with epic gear, have them because they are CASH SHOPERS or dam good merchants
also, someone outside TW can make more than those 2,5 mil in 1 hour (15-20 minutes nirvanas runs FTW)
You are right, I still don't get it. If you wasn't making enough BEFORE the update to cover costs, what does it really matter now? 3 million isn't going to break you.. you know all those uber nirvana runs and such you can do. At lvl 100 u get bh where you can get 2 mil a day and you get much better stuff to sell or use.
If ppl who TW are cash shoppers, then what does it matter anyways that their pay is nerfed? Seriously? They won't miss 3 mil a week right?
Again you are upset about what?0 -
Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »Yes, spending hours leveling and improving gear should not be enough to enjoy a TW, you should also come up with 6mil+ every week to be able to have fun.
Yeah because who ever in this world would have thought, that you have to work a bit hard to get to the fun stuff in a game.
They may as well hand out end game gear like prison uniforms when we start right? That way you don't have to work for anything.
I will not disagree that they should modify a few things. Herbs dropping more at once, as well as mats. (that would just drop their price) but then you could spend less time mining so you can "enjoy" yourself more.
You act as though the repair bills and pots/charms you tick doing things like PK and TT and Nirvana cost nothing too. But I'm quite sure unless you just login for TW you still do things like that right?
Wait I got it, ... they should pay YOU to play!
yes.. was all sarcasm incase u missed that.0 -
OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »No, but the rest of us feel this sting. I've worked hard for almost 2 years to get what I've got. Trust me.. I have tt gears and low refines. Low hp shards and a couple mil in the bank. I do not cash shop often but I do occassionally. The rest of us been doing this a long long time.. why suddenly do the ppl who TW think they are so special? You should have NEVER been paid to have fun in the first place. You are all spoiled.
SgtSlaughter is in the faction I was talking about, not me. It was also him I was addressing in that regard, not you.
[Normal] Lenore: It's extremely sad that you think people who TW didn't work hard for what they have. When you TW your costs increased and the TW pay for themselves. The extra gears, refines, etc. is from money they made on their own. No one can get uber gears off TW pay.
When you have a bunch of punch PKers with huge egos in the same faction people are bound not to get a long. You simply missed the sarcasm in Sgt's post.0 -
Lenore - Harshlands wrote: »[Normal] Lenore: It's extremely sad that you think people who TW didn't work hard for what they have. When you TW your costs increased and the TW pay for themselves. The extra gears, refines, etc. is from money they made on their own. No one can get uber gears off TW pay.
When you have a bunch of punch PKers with huge egos in the same faction people are bound not to get a long. You simply missed the sarcasm in Sgt's post.
Did I ever once say they didn't work for what they had? He is the one who said they was all cash shopppers, not me. Please go back and read HIS post.
I may have missed the sarcasm.. but the fact is still the same.0 -
Wow, you aren't bright are you.
My point is that AFTER you do ALL THAT STUFF.
After you spend countless hours leveleing to get to endgame, and then spending 50 times that amount of time getting endgame gear, it's pretty ridiculous to CONTINUE to need to do that EVERY SINGLE WEEK just to have fun.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »You are right, I still don't get it. If you wasn't making enough BEFORE the update to cover costs, what does it really matter now? 3 million isn't going to break you.. you know all those uber nirvana runs and such you can do. At lvl 100 u get bh where you can get 2 mil a day and you get much better stuff to sell or use.
If ppl who TW are cash shoppers, then what does it matter anyways that their pay is nerfed? Seriously? They won't miss 3 mil a week right?
Again you are upset about what?
[Normal] Lenore: A lot of people here are complaining about the lack of refund and secret bidding, which discourages bids in general. It's not all about the money
And I replied to what I quoted. Dunno who is this "him" you rant about, I don't read everything.0 -
OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »Did I ever once say they didn't work for what they had? He is the one who said they was all cash shopppers, not me. Please go back and read HIS post.
I may have missed the sarcasm.. but the fact is still the same.
[Normal] Lenore: If they are cash shoppers their money still didn't come from TW. My point doesn't change.
My point is there's no need to be upset about the validity of a comment that was meant to be sarcastic in the first place0 -
Lenore - Harshlands wrote: »[Normal] Lenore: If they are cash shoppers their money still didn't come from TW. My point doesn't change.
My point is there's no need to be upset about the validity of a comment that was meant to be sarcastic in the first place
Who says I'm upset? This is a debate right? I mean its PWI against the TW players against those of us who don't think its a bad implement.
When it comes down to it.. everyone who TW's in a large faction or owns land is going to attack any of us who think this is a good thing. We may as well be the devs. They will not listen to reason and can only see things from one point of view. As if in the world we all have the same opinions. Just cause I see things one way, and you see it another doesn't mean EITHER of us is right (generally speaking, not directly at you).
I am going to stand by my original post which is- they should have never paid players to have fun in the first place.
Charms shouldn't be allowed in TW at all anyhow. Its about who is the best, uses their skills the best farms the best gears etc... not about who has the most HP to outlast someone elses CHARM.. or who does uber damage to 1 shot you so ur charm can tick.
The debate will go til ppl quit or they suck it up and adjust.
We've adjusted to bigger things that impacted the entire PW as a whole and not just those who TW.0 -
a bit off topic, but maybe not too much
ROFLMAO PWE people is realy smart, they just are removing the ways for people to make money without CS, i was going to a nirvana run with some friends, aparently all bosses can seal us now, and also have random agro so demonic tyrant just killed our clerics 2 times before we toke 10% of boss hp away and the other times he chased people until stoped in midle of room to use the 5k aoe
grats PWE morons, another EPIC FAIL0 -
OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »Who says I'm upset? This is a debate right? I mean its PWI against the TW players against those of us who don't think its a bad implement.
There's a fair amount of people with mixed opinions on this too, and we're kinda missing the ''pwi'' part of the debate. So far we've just been bickering between ourselves.OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »When it comes down to it.. everyone who TW's in a large faction or owns land is going to attack any of us who think this is a good thing. We may as well be the devs. They will not listen to reason and can only see things from one point of view. As if in the world we all have the same opinions. Just cause I see things one way, and you see it another doesn't mean EITHER of us is right (generally speaking, not directly at you).
I am going to stand by my original post which is- they should have never paid players to have fun in the first place.
The fact that they get paid for it probably makes TW fun for them, now it might just be another thing you have to pay for and that's it.
Having fun SHOULD be the main objective in a game. Whether you get paid for it or not doesn't matter, at least that's the way I see it.OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »Charms shouldn't be allowed in TW at all anyhow. Its about who is the best, uses their skills the best farms the best gears etc... not about who has the most HP to outlast someone elses CHARM.. or who does uber damage to 1 shot you so ur charm can tick.
That would indeed be the ultimate solution, but neither I nor probably anyone can see that happen with the $.$ eyes PWE seems to have.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »Charms shouldn't be allowed in TW at all anyhow. Its about who is the best, uses their skills the best farms the best gears etc... not about who has the most HP to outlast someone elses CHARM.. or who does uber damage to 1 shot you so ur charm can tick.
Ignoring uber cash shoppers, and talking about average players here:
It takes a level of skill and know how to break past somebody's charm if you don't have the uber gear to one shot them. This can be skill either through coordination with friends or fighting hard to break through a charm and then kill somebody before cooldown is over.
TW isn't about who is the best. TW is about a faction coming together and working as a team to take down another faction working just as hard and cooperating just as much. Or at least, that was the idea. So in that sense, you're wrong in the first place. TW is about coordination, teamwork, and skill, and for the players who aren't cash shopping their gear, they are working hard in their team to try and help their faction win.
These same average players by charms and pots and other things because it's part of being part of the team. You let your team down if you say "**** this" and decide that you don't care whether you die or not. If cata barbs in TW all had that attitude, I promise you five minute steamrolls would be considered long. This is a royal kick in the teeth to those players because the money they got from their teamwork in TW generally went towards making sure they could be part of the team next time.
I understand you want to generalise this into a "everybody who TWs is obviously a cash shopper and none of you - not any single one of you - deserve a dime for what you do" but please keep in mind the average players before you throw everybody into one giant melting pot and then pretend they're all exactly the same.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I'm just....sad. I love TW and i'm in a TW faction(oops i mean was, i dont know what the hell we now are thanks to you) but...now the only people who can afford it are the big ones that know they can win.... =/ I don't know i'm just going to move to AIKA.... Maybe i'll pop in if tw is ever fixed but anyways i'll miss you lost city, was fun =]0
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OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »Who says I'm upset? This is a debate right? I mean its PWI against the TW players against those of us who don't think its a bad implement.
When it comes down to it.. everyone who TW's in a large faction or owns land is going to attack any of us who think this is a good thing. We may as well be the devs. They will not listen to reason and can only see things from one point of view. As if in the world we all have the same opinions. Just cause I see things one way, and you see it another doesn't mean EITHER of us is right (generally speaking, not directly at you).
I am going to stand by my original post which is- they should have never paid players to have fun in the first place.
Charms shouldn't be allowed in TW at all anyhow. Its about who is the best, uses their skills the best farms the best gears etc... not about who has the most HP to outlast someone elses CHARM.. or who does uber damage to 1 shot you so ur charm can tick.
The debate will go til ppl quit or they suck it up and adjust.
We've adjusted to bigger things that impacted the entire PW as a whole and not just those who TW.
I completely disagree with you >_>
Without charms it's just my gear>your gear. Having charms gives a person more ample opportunity to USE their skill, especially true if you're a squishy robe class. And not giving the catapullers charms?...lol.
One of the things that keeps me playing is TW. Having a fair all out pvp war with an opposing faction is awesome. Why shouldn't we be rewarded for being better than the losers? We're not being PAID to have fun, getting that sum every week is like a recognition of all the work you put in, a reward for the toils of the previous week. What they've done is cut down the tw salary by 90%, so what makes it worth it to go to war every week now? 100 mirages? Great because we really need more of those. Also even people who don't TW will aspire to TW, maybe not all but a vast majority do.
TW is a goal for so many people who play. Why gear up? Why refine gear? I know the reason I farmed my gear/refines is because I joined a faction that TWs and I wanted to see my faction succeed. When you ruin something so central to the game like TW it takes away the motivation to play level up and gear up, not only for the higher levels but for the lowbies that aspire to TW too.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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