Barb Issues

Aggro skills aren't up to date. Our best aggro skill maxes at 54 and from then on it just gets harder and harder.


Me thinks that the aggro skills for barbs should be tweaked to make it so barbs can actually tank at endgame. Cause really, as it is we're just useful for buffs.

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

After you get surf impact, you can AOE with squads. Roar, then surf impact, switch to human and use swell, slam, firestorm then back in tiger form and use surf impact. Use some MP and your problem solved.


Try using beastial rage while in AOEs while you spark. You'll get to use sunder too.

You can't just use one skill and just leave them alone for 60 seconds, use your AOE attack skills

^ ...........LoL @ this

lordmakyo wrote: »

Well i dont know if the rest is agree on this but, i think that we barbs should have our skill Roar with a better effect like make it last for 1-2 minutes with out beeing able to loose aggro during that time or so.

The reason of this is simple, many ppl complains that some barbs dont hold aggro because -we- cant tank, or that we are nothing but nabs, and as you all know, any barbarian looses aggro in less that 10-15 secs after using Roar if someone has a weapon with a really high damage or if someone makes 3 times the damage that we can make on the mobs. Most of this happens at FC, ppl complains about that, even knowing that Roar its like "Get attention" of the mobs, but doesnt makes you hold aggro for ever; and yea i know there is some othe alternatives like Alpha Male ansd such but its almost thesame with that skill, so Im just asking if theres something you could do for our Barb's Roar skill.

If a DD is competent, they'll adjust to the barb whose doing the tanking. Imo those skills aren't actually needed, they're just a bonus to help you and DD get a bit more done (and keep em off cleric ). Sure it might take us a bit to figure out how much damage we can deal without taking aggro from you, but if ppl in your squad are STILL doing it by end of Frost and blaming you they're just dumb and its not your fault.

And who you squadding with that takes more than 15 seconds to kill mob pulls in Frost?

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

Aggro skills aren't up to date. Our best aggro skill maxes at 54 and from then on it just gets harder and harder.


Me thinks that the aggro skills for barbs should be tweaked to make it so barbs can actually tank at endgame. Cause really, as it is we're just useful for buffs.

Either that or higher level bosses damage is not up to date so classes with lower hp can tank them, or end game gear makes them not up to date so hp pool is not an issue as long as bosses do not debuff.

On top of that, some higher level friends told me some of those bosses have ~1KK hp, making killing speed much more desirable if survivability is not an issue.

buttercupcruella wrote: »

*Is shocked*

I have to openly admit with EVERYBODY here (but Yulk [try tanking pole/nob while constantly changing from normal to tiger form; no need to waste more time and space on his comment]). I declare (no trolling, it's for real) this thread the best one in a long time. Everybody here has decent experience and adds some valuable points to the conversation. Good job people. You give me hope. Maybe there are some people with brainz in PWI.

But mainly first part of what I wrote. You all get a plus from me (if it means anything LOL)b:surrender

offtopic: awww nested parentheses ftw

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

as long as its not nested for loops and such b:chuckle

why? nested loops are yummy! 30min ago i optimized one ^.^

Why move this tread to class-discussion? Holding aggro is something that concerns everyones, its a party related issues, not just 1 class.

Only barbs i know that actually can hold aggro these days are Demon strength/dex build high level barbs with +10/+12 or better weapons and lvl 11 Demon flesh ream with short cooldown, demon tiger for full dmg.

But against any 4-5 aps sin/bm they loose aggro as well. They will loose it against interval build archers with rank8/g15 weapon to if they demon spark/spam QS.

You average vit/tank build barb cant hold aggro at all, specially not on BHs.

Juggernaut - Harshlands wrote: »

When I am in a group with a Blademaster that has 5.0 attack speed and +12 hh100 fists, I am not going to tank. If I tanked a boss, the BM would have to hold back on his dps, and the boss would take a long time to kill. If he went all out, and got aggro, the cleric has to struggle with healing two people as the aggro goes back and forth. If I accept the fact that the BM can tank just fine, I can Devour and DD in human form and the boss goes down much faster then if I was tanking it.

When I am in a group with a high level Veno that has a Herc, I am not going to tank bosses that the Herc can tank just fine. The Herc can reflect a lot of the damage back to the boss, and it also allows me to DD in human form, dealing more damage. The boss goes down faster, and the cleric doesn't even have to heal anyone unless the boss aoes.

I'm sorry you were annoyed with that comment, but the fact remains that Barbs are not the most efficient way of tanking bosses at endgame.

Truth.

As a barb I'm only asked to tank a very few bosses. It's just not worth playing the musical aggro game. I'll catch the lured boss, FR a few times, Devour and then go humanoid and triple spark while the fist BM is DPSing.

It sucks for me because I'm quite proud of my tanking skills, but there's no reason to fight for aggro with a BM that's doing 5 or 10 times my damage. If, somehow, he loses aggro to a robe or an archer, then I'll act as a secondary tank...but that's about all we have anymore at 90+.

IDecision - Raging Tide wrote: »

This is the 2nd thread ive read about barbs being replaced as tanks basically, and honestly how often do you see other players (not barbs) amazingly geared tanking instead of a barb? i hope not often because i made a barb to tank and not be replaced by anyone other than a better barb... i mean we all have our rolls but whats the point of a barb if he/she isnt a tanking b:sad

At end-game, buffs and back-up tank. I've seen some fist BMs.......die from tanking....makes me......lol <___<

But yea, for the most part, we are wanted for our epic buffs.b:surrender

rawr...

It's a typical behavior in instances I've observed over and over again:

I rush into the mobs group, Roar-Ream them and then the rest of DD's begin to hit mobs randomly resulting in loss of aggro, some of DD's dead or Cleric in danger, and they begin to claim on me: BAD BARB! BAAAD BARB! U CAN'T KEEP AGGRO.b:laugh

Then they keep doing the same thing and I stay as a Barb-ecue!b:angry

Why they don't hit the same mob I do, leaving the rest mobs aggro on me, to kill them one by one this way? Quick and deadly.

I agree Barbs need some Super-Nuke-Aggro skill for this case.

Havoc_Greg - Raging Tide wrote: »

It's a typical behavior in instances I've observed over and over again:

I rush into the mobs group, Roar-Ream them and then the rest of DD's begin to hit mobs randomly resulting in loss of aggro, some of DD's dead or Cleric in danger, and they begin to claim on me: BAD BARB! BAAAD BARB! U CAN'T KEEP AGGRO.b:laugh

Then they keep doing the same thing and I stay as a Barb-ecue!b:angry

Why they don't hit the same mob I do, leaving the rest mobs aggro on me, to kill them one by one this way? Quick and deadly.

I agree Barbs need some Super-Nuke-Aggro skill for this case.

No, you need DDs that know what "Assist Attack" is used for. You also need to do a better job at teaching your squad how to do this. At least come up with a plan ahead of time. Multiple mobs+ multiple DDs= multiple aggro and dead squadmates.

roar is just an emergency aggro resetter imo, at least till it gets sage or demon. I see some barbs use it all the time, but I only use it a emergency. Roar then sunder or fleshream depending if it's several mobs or just 1 boss. The only thing they should change imo is the lvl. I never noticed a difference between roar lvl1 and roar lvl10. They should just make it a 1 lvl skill like beastial rage to save our spirit for other skills :P

When it comes to holding aggro, the fist-mania really starts to annoy me ... (but the original fist-bms must feel good that everyone wants to be like them after being n00bed at for over a year lol)
I've been in squad with a fist barb (deicides and TT99 armor) and honestly it sucks.
I've seen a bm brag about being the ultimate DD and ultimate tank to a wizzie ... till there was a boss the wizzie could also tank. Most fist-bms rely on their heavy refined gear, but with comparable gear their damage doesn't match a true DD.
I've been in so many squads where everyone starts to spark as soon as venos pet hits the boss and is stowed ... Cleric starts a bb, 1 DD less in squad, I wonder why it takes so long to kill brig when they do that.
I know some awesome fist-bms that don't spark all the time on boss, even with their -interval gear. They let me tank, allow the cleric to do something other then just spam IH, and sort their poleweap and axes to make real use of their sparks. Bosses go down so fast, no aggro issues, cleric has also fun ... damn they rock.

There is nothing wrong with barbs aggro skills imo, as long as squad knows how to work togather. Of course any DD can take aggro of me if they want too, especially if they have a +8 (or higher) lunar weap. Most DD say I have good aggro, and they really have to try on purpose to steal it. I don't mind at all that bm or herc can tank stuff, barbs need some time for themselves as well. Still, barb will stay the most efficient tank for me (on most bosses) if the squad knows how to work as a team.

What should really boggle your mind is the fact our main aggro skills stops at level 54, what about the other 46 levels???? No wonder our aggro holding goes to **** end-game.

Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This :P b:surrender barbs not holding aggro is based on player skill alone any barb over 90 will have no problems ever holding aggro or shouldn't unless its a archer with +12 and you only have +3 b:sad Barbs past 50 should have a small difficulty but not really too much trouble under that and you don't really tank a lot of things.

b:chuckle But alas if chi is your issue recruit a veno thats their jobs after all and brambled barbs shouldn't lose aggro really at all. Or get a keyword when your chi is low tell them to hold back for a bit and get your chi up once chi is back to a acceptable level resume killing. Simple yes?

Go play "you can`t take aggro" with BMs whom got lunar claws and say that with a straight face, ijs. Also those lunar bows +10 are nightmare, with demon spark. Haven`t been in squads with sins lately but what I learned at lower levels, those are even worse than archers with whole aggro thing... I can hold lvl "?" bosses, though it`s not too easy, normal once are kinda pointless to even try, if there is any of mentioned above, with lunar wep.