Behold the most OP scenario

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

did you saw the attk lvl too?
Defenses are messed up due to frenzy, but if we take out frenzy, it's a +30 attk lvl
add a blessing and you have +40 attk lvl

... Exactly what permanent Blessing gives you +10 Attack Level? Also, since you can just counter the +8 you get from the Attendance quest with the respective +8 defense blessing, that is a moot point.

And who are you to say that he isn't already using one?

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

What don't you get? It would take me not just 4 times longer due to lower DPS but divide that by a squad cause I cannot solo-tank like you and probably would get last pick anyway so that's at least 8 times slower than you with a 2 member squad, which more realistically would be at least 3 (that's 12 times slower or so).

Seriously? Are you telling me I shouldn't be complaining? How would you feel if you had your salary 8 or 12 times as lower as another person? Would you take advices from that person regarding hard work? That's why I don't really care for your hard working advices.

And not even talking about 5aps yet btw, but Ursa's 2.33 aps she mentioned which is not hard to achieve. 5aps would simply be insane in comparison, more than 10 times or so.

You "don't think so", but I know for a fact because it freaking happened on my server. The biggest cashshopped barb here (you could guess from the HP) tried to tank an uber BM's 5aps spark and failed miserably. For the people who were outside it seemed almost like a one-shot, so it must have lasted pretty damn a few seconds.

If you say, barb shouldn't have tried to tank, I'm pretty sure YOU would have tried to tank it too, based on your "not believing" the DPS of a 5 aps fist BM. b:chuckle He actually thought he could tank. But you do realize, a freeze from Occult Ice or a stun would make him have to tank it right?

I would even mention names but heck I'm not allowed am I?

Keep having your head in the sand though. I'm sure it helps.

Fist BM triple sparks.
Barb with sufficient IQ:
1. Invoke
2. Immunity Pot
3. Run the hell away
4. Stun him
5. Occult ice
6. Absolute Domain
7. Expel
8. Get on air mount
9. Insert another tactic that isnt stupid

If you're tanking a triple sparked fist bm for the ENTIRE duration of his spark, something's wrong.

By the way. There's a couple of screenies with wizards and clerics hitting people for 100k and 30k respectively. That's food for thought.

YsoEmo - Sanctuary wrote: »

Assuming the barb has triple spark and apos aren't on cooldown with those three specific genie skills. I guess barbs can only run away from BMs now. Sucks for those barbs eh.

If you saw a rank 8 wizard unloading a level 11 BIDS on you, would you stand there and take it?

YsoEmo - Sanctuary wrote: »

Assuming the barb has triple spark and apos aren't on cooldown with those three specific genie skills. I guess barbs can only run away from BMs now. Sucks for those barbs eh.

yes...because anything you can render completely USELESS by takeing 2 steps back is OP *facepalm*

then i wonder 20kx4x2x2x.75=80k armagedon zerk+ crit before adding bm def redux

lets assume an 80% redux on the bm thats 16k now lets say the barbs not an idiot relying on blind luck

mire+puge skill+devour+EP =96000k zerk crit or for normal damage 24000

also last i checked telariths lvl 100 has had a gliched ava forever now

Here's OP:

此装备一定是16P，8军衣服。轮回裤子，神月披风，7级天书。2件阿修罗，2件狮心王。双神月戒指。
0.8-0.1-0.05-0.05-0.05-0.05-0.15-0.05=0.30。 3.33次/秒，魔元后就是5.0。是目前最强的输出。。。

Warsoul + rank8 chest + Nirvanna pants + lunar cape + grade 7 tome + 2 HH99 LA Ashura pieces + 2 HH99 HA Lionheart pieces + 2 CoA rings + Triple Spark

http://bbs.w2i.wanmei.com/viewthread.php?tid=1555635

lvl 102 sin with +12 warsoul daggers at 5.0 attacks/sec
37% crit rate, 240% rage damage, 57 attack level, 132 stealth level

Warsoul + rank8 chest + Nirvanna pants + lunar cape + grade 7 tome + 2 HH99 LA Ashura pieces + 2 HH99 HA Lionheart pieces + 2 CoA rings + Triple Spark

http://bbs.w2i.wanmei.com/viewthread.php?tid=1555635

lvl 102 sin with +12 warsoul daggers at 5.0 attacks/sec
37% crit rate, 240% rage damage, 57 attack level, 132 stealth level

Doesnt mean a thing.
He didn't use chill in his screenshot. Probably means he doesnt use it since he cant reach 5 aps with it on

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

says the lvl 77

you have no idea what you're talking about.

and yes, x4 from having 2.33 is true. Tested by a friend. Not 89 yet, but I guess the ratio will still hold even after that, don't see any reasons why not.

Says the person who started playing and posting months after I did. Heck, I remember how bad some of your first posts were back when I was only posting in wizzie and cleric forums. FYI, there is no 2.33 attack rate. 2, 2.22, 2.5; those are the attack rate numbers. And fists/claws refine at a rate of 6X% compared to an archer. That alone will kill the X4 idea, or are we talking no refines, archer having no -int either? Or is it simply a lack of knowledge of the game?

As for wizzies taking longer to grind their money, what changed? Heck, back when Pandora was still posting alot it was almost a consensus; have a veno alt, as your wizzie will not get in many TT groups easily. Personally, I'm wondering how many wizzies are just currently mad that their veno alt is having the prices of TT pushed down.

EDIT: And Borsuc kinda shot himself in the foot using made up, incorrect numbers by Ursa. PWCalc doesn't count as a friend proving something, it gives you incorrect numbers to make you look foolish on possible when claiming to have 'tested' something with the wrong numbers.

nerdraging wrote: »

Above post brought to you courtesy of a raging nerd and MD, I chose this nick specifically for people like you. Full of nerd rage. It was meant to be sarcastic for people like you. I really laughed out loud when you told me to nerd rage more in another thread.

P/s Yeah I'm trolling you. Watcha gonna do? Call the troll busters? ROFL.

lmao.

Are you trolling me or are you being trolled? Read my sig?

b:pleased

wah now bm's complain about wiz having too much defences, get a damn efing spear with purge plus there are some cool mods on other weapons too. oh you probably never heard of spear... check weapons path on bm, there is more than just claws. bm's get so many ways to disable an opponent, including genie but they forgot about all of that since they all run after 5atk / sec like a fat guy after icecream truck

oh and about this event nien beast, bm's getting 3 times more points (~36k) than other classes is called balanced too. throwing occult ice on me and dd-ing me to death before i have the chance to hit absolute domain is called balance too

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Maybe you should learn to play yours instead. Grab an immunity pot if wizzie uses pot for channeling. I sense you're the one failing here at playing his class in this regard...

oh wait you say your pot is on cooldown? well grats you just found out wizzies have cooldowns on their pots and genies too.

Yeah, I know how to play my class. Even with full 5aps and +10 CV claws a good, equally geared mage who knows how to PvP isn't an easy kill. To hear you argue otherwise is pretty silly. Join date Apr 2010? Yeah, you're really skilled at your class. No wonder you don't stand a chance to a BM. lol

Ask for a BM for farming?

lol you said I'm complaining about it being OP and now you tell me, the only way I can do this is by USING the OP thing I'm complaining about? Are you serious?

Brickheaded much? Ok, so your incessant whining will accomplish anything? Will it?

I never said you couldn't do it without a fist BM. So you won't party a fist bm because without him you can't do it? Or because you hate them? So you won't party a sin either? Are you really that stupid that you won't party someone just because you don't like their class? Too funny.

You think 5aps BMs do everything solo? Um.... no, they participate and farm in squads, just like any other class. It's hilarious that I even have to mention this to you? lol

That's like saying, BMs are OP, and to balance that simply squad them. Or, sins are OP, so go reroll as a sin. Do you call that balance? Seriously?

And before telling everyone to learn to play their classes go reroll a magic class with absolutely no aid at all from your main (try a different server perhaps?) then you can be more specific about what tactics we can use to solo TT bosses cause we obviously don't know how to play our class. Until then shut up because you don't know anything about magic classes end of discussion.

Where did I ever say a mage could solo HH? LMAO. You're funny. Not too bright, but I gotta give it to you that you are quite relentless, even though you make one sensless argument, are countered, ignore it and try from a different direction. Just like my response to you telling me how I don't work hard for anything, when in fact if you had to work half as hard to achieve anything you'd QQ about how it's too costly and time consuming and you'd rather not be bothered? lol

Apr 2010. lol. Go level up, get your lvl 11 skills and come back when you know how to kill a BM?

b:chuckle

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Do you even need to frenzy sutra for your BIDS to one shot most BMs before they're even in range?

How hard is it for you to hit 9k on a BM? Instant channeling pot? PK pots? Frenzy genie? Don't know how to vacuity > blink > seal? Really now.

If you're complaining about BM being OP and you're a mage with the gear you listed, you seriously need to learn how to play your class.

dude, we can construct 1000 scenarios and 1000 more after that with fights that include 1k/Archosaur pots, genie skills, etc. But pots have cooldown and genie consumes energy. When all those run out, you're facing someone with the skills you have.
FFS , you're on a PvP server, do i need to tell you this or you're just so infatuated for your so "hard worked" (btw, that's just sooo arrogant, like your behind is the only one that put some time and work in this game) 5aps char that u can't see sh*t beyond the length of your nose?


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What don't I get? You just QQed to me about not working hard? So I told you exactly how I have, now you're complaining more? Shut up you nub. It takes you 8 times longer to farm... guess you should ask/find a fist BM looking for a farming squad? Geez. You're a fail troll. Get to 100, learn to play your class.

There aren't even any 5aps BMs at your level, so you really have no idea what you're talking about.[/QUOTE]
he might be a noob, but solely based on level and time playing this game I shouldn't be.
Go please look at chezedude's videos and how much dmg he does per hit. I can do 3400 every 2 seconds spamming gush/pyro, he does 2.7k/hit. Multiply that with 5 hits sec and you get 13500. consider only 2 crits out of those 5 and you get 5 k more damage, that's 18500 dmg/sec . Double that - and in 2 seconds, the time for me to cast a gush, he does 37k damage. 10 times more .
So basically you need 3 squads, each with 3 DDs and tank+cleric to match up that 37k dmg sec.
He's able to run a TT3-3 3 SOLO in the time it takes one squad of 5 to finish it.

These are numbers with hard evidence. As long as you, Telarith and others will keep ignoring them, fine. PWI is happy cause ppl are investing now in 5 aps classes.

BUT DON"T TRY TO F**KING TELL ME 5 APS CLASSES ARE BALANCED IN ANY WAY OR SHAPE, or that you need 5 aps to compete with endgame casters. If you need that, you suck and you need to learn better your class.

You usually had nice thought through posts, but what you posted lately in this topic is just pea brain trolling.

I'm out of this topic, I'm tired to fight with idiots, I feel like I'm getting down to their lvl and then getting beaten by their experience.

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Go please look at chezedude's videos and how much dmg he does per hit. I can do 3400 every 2 seconds spamming gush/pyro, he does 2.7k/hit. Multiply that with 5 hits sec and you get 13500. consider only 2 crits out of those 5 and you get 5 k more damage, that's 18500 dmg/sec . Double that - and in 2 seconds, the time for me to cast a gush, he does 37k damage. 10 times more .
So basically you need 3 squads, each with 3 DDs and tank+cleric to match up that 37k dmg sec.
He's able to run a TT3-3 3 SOLO in the time it takes one squad of 5 to finish it.

Yeah, chezedude isn't a typical end-game character. He's an archer, with what... 12k hp unbuffed? That's private server status. He's a massive cash shopper of epic proportions. How much does he have invested in his char? 15k? 20k? More?

There's a mage on our server that's probably spent 15-20k on our server. His gush hits for 5000-6000 pts on a casual cash shopper's char. He doesn't even need to ulti to kill most people and when he does, everyone around his MS or BIDS pretty much drops without ever having a chance.

Trying to compare massive cash shoppers against casual cash shoppers or non-CSers isn't really a valid argument.

These are numbers with hard evidence. As long as you, Telarith and others will keep ignoring them, fine. PWI is happy cause ppl are investing now in 5 aps classes.

BUT DON"T TRY TO F**KING TELL ME 5 APS CLASSES ARE BALANCED IN ANY WAY OR SHAPE, or that you need 5 aps to compete with endgame casters. If you need that, you suck and you need to learn better your class.

You usually had nice thought through posts, but what you posted lately in this topic is just pea brain trolling.

I'm out of this topic, I'm tired to fight with idiots, I feel like I'm getting down to their lvl and then getting beaten by their experience.

Yes, sometimes I am very guilty of "pea brained trolling", but a 5aps BM is nothing but a BM with lower HP than they would have had if they were a straight axe build and therefore easier to kill... unless you let them stunlock you.

Tell me hell stone barrier isn't broken.... there are mages running around with higher pdef than heavy users... when I hit with my fists on them I hit for pvp damage reduced 300-600 points of damage per hit... and if you're stupid enough to tank my triple spark so I can get 5aps, then you'll die, otherwise your chances and damage are far greater than mine.

Of course, a BM just doesn't get 5aps automatically. If you spend that kind of coin on a BM, you can make a brutal mage build that will effectively compete against a BM fist or not. 10x mages with their important lvl 11 skills in PvP are the most dangerous class in the game.

How often do you try to tank a triple spark? That's the only way a BM can get 5aps against another class.

EDIT: And you think fist/claws are broken, I have +10 Lunar claws and 5aps hell sparked, a +11 or better Rank 8 archer can steal and hold aggro over me.... with thier Rank 8 bow.... without trying.

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

I'll reiterate what someone said a while ago, before the era of fists.

"BM's are nothing but a support class, go back to stunning and dragons."

That's the gist of it, and I think it captures what it was like in the "dark ages".

Pretty much. Before all the event interval gear, once a BM hit 100 you retired it and rerolled because BMs were worthless. Now they're actually important.

Once again, I've never argued it was fair for PVE. But for PVP, I think it's fine. Contrary to what the popular belief seems to be in this thread, fist BMs don't always triple spark+anti-stun+occult ice in PVP. Really, using up 399 chi to kill one person is kind of ridiculous. And also contrary to the popular belief, people don't permaspark on each other.

Or they think that a BM always has 5aps when really most of them don't have it, and most BMs with fists/claws have 2.86 or less. A BM that can get 5aps has spent enough to be an archer with a +11 HS, or a mage with +10 NP and 8k hp. They compare a 5aps BM to a non CS class with average non-CS gear, and yeah, of course the 5aps BM (or someone like chesedude) is going to be god-like.

And also, Borsuc. This doesn't sound too reasonable.

"You're OP because barbs can't tank your triple spark!!"

lol

nerdraging wrote: »

Yeps your sig says it all. You have a bad habit of calling people names that's what it says.

Gotta get rid of your bad habits boy. It'll kill you some day.

I don't need to hide behind a nameless alt to vent and troll. That's where we differ, I provide help, my opinionated commentary and participate in a forum. You're just... afraid to voice your opinion without anonymity, which is funny, because even from your main you would be anonymous. You don't even have online courage. lmao

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nowhere near that. I think he himself claimed to "have spent just a fraction of that".

Well, everyone doesn't believe how much they've actually spent until they go to their wallet and add up every transaction.

Once you get to 100 though, it becomes quite easy to farm for coin, so a lot of what he has could very well have been farmed. I find it hard to believe that he's spent less than $10k on his char, just judging by the fact an archer has 12k hp unbuffed. That alone would cost you many thousands... or some really clever merchanting.