Still a prestiege class

Bobobobobo - Lost City wrote: »

And what about nirvana glaive/wand, to keep 10% chan, even if it would hit little less than rank8 if one socketed ; even if i dont know real numbers after pvp reduction, think it would be minimal difference.

After all Wiz need some chan, especially demon ones, to be able to use D.Pyro instead of pyro, with wellspring quaff on.

What weapon would you get kristoph, i'd like to know

Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »

I'd go for the Rank8 or nirvana sword. 4% crit is more important to me than 10% channeling. There's only very few situations where shaving off 0.1-0.25 seconds off channeling time would help, where 4% crit can be devastating once it kicks in. And personally I find the difference between 14% and 18% (or 17% and 21% with demon masteries) pretty big.


I personally find channeling worthless unless you stack A LOT of it, and that means you're lacking in other area's. You have to give up a lot of survivability and sometimes crit to get a decent amount.

Bobobobobo - Lost City wrote: »

Yeah maybe you right for sage wizards playstyle eg using 3 basic spells then sutra/ulti 4% crit is better. But look, for demons, with your build, and nirvana glaive/wand, you get -32 chan, which means -52 chan if you hit quaff (1 spark for 15 sec -20 chan) which means casting Dpyro and sandstorm in 1,2 sec, like pyrogram pre 89 which is decent. And build one spark is easy : 20 chi for Dpyro and GS, 15 chi for pyro/gush/SS/stone rain +30 chi/min with ele shell.

And you will somewhat compensate that crit loss with mastery crit.
It's pretty obvious you can't have huge crit and chan at the same time, but your build+ -10%weapon seems to me a very good and balanced build for demon wiz : enough chan to use Dpyro and sandstorm all the time + glacial snare and w/e sometimes, good survivability and decent crit. Why did Elayne go for nirvana wand after all? :P

Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »

Or you can stick to -22%. -42% with Quaff but an extra 4% to crit... which would be around 21% with the build I posted. Sandstorm/DPyro would still cast in 1.45 seconds, which is like (non-demon) pyrogram.


I'd most likely still end up going for the crit.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You can have both -channeling and critical in pretty balanced layer.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Where you have to sacrifice a lot of crit?
rings- at least 6% ans (- 12% channeling)
Boots- 2%
Weapon- at least 4% (you can choose here channeling or extra critic)
Warsong belt -1%
Tome - 1,2, or 3%
sleeves - just channeling
Robe -max 1% critic
helm - 1%

I don't see anywhere big sacrificing critical instead of channeling.

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

No I mean as in "exactly" the EXACT statistical effect it has. It's non-measurable. Of course, if you compare crit with crit, it's easy. 12% > 10% after all. But compare crit with some other STAT.

Preference you say?
Preference is not objective measurement. There is none. That's what I meant. b:surrender

Unless, of course, you go for the statistical average damage. Then, it's easy to measure crit with increased damage. Unfortunately, you can't measure the "spike effect".

EDIT: here's a clarification. Suppose you have to choose between +2% crit and +2% damage. The former gets you more chances to get spike, the latter gives you more average damage, and more damage when you DO crit, even though the chances are lower.

Can you measure this, exactly? Statistically, yes you can, both are the same. But you don't take the spike effect, and as you can see, BOTH can be useful. The former, when you need spikes more often. The latter, when you just HAVE to crit, for whatever low chances, with a HIGHER damage, to take someone down.

Hope I made myself a little bit more clear.

Thanks for outlining some facts. I stand corrected in those points. b:victory

/Groovy/ - Harshlands wrote: »

Blazing Scarab have fire damage DoT. If veno uses this skill when boss is undined, every tick will have inceased damage, even after Undine effect wears off.

I tested it yesterday on FC bosses with Pitfall :P

Anri_Rose - Archosaur wrote: »

With the talk lately about how wizards are being overshadowed by the new psychic class and other such things, Along with the amount of bh and Hyper noobs
Are mages still a class that ppl revere at endgame

ANd im not asking about our power at endgame yea im sure were still feared but do ppl still stop and know when they see a mage thats 1xx that person is good, or do they just go
eh another noober.
DIscuss pls

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

I can confirm that. The only crit gear I have right now is attendance ring, and I crit way more often than 3 times out of 100. Way more often.

Can't say, however, that this was planned by the devs. The random generator might not be uniform.

Tudordan - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Ummm, lets see

so sage/demon earth vector will use 655....that "good point" is now void


How do you know?

You tried chinese version of PW or what?

I compared sage mountain's seize [50% to cast with only 1 spark] with earth vector [which is casted with only 1 spark]

And YES I play psihic too,psihics really bored me so I focused more on my wiz

And yea sorry if my english confused you b:bye

because both skills are pretty much the same. Earth Vector is just a nerfed version of mountain seize that uses the same mana.

Reichle - Sanctuary wrote: »

When I see a wiz, I am usually respectful, because a non-to-low cash shopper wiz is usually patient and knows how to play their character. But this goes for every class.

To me it seems that there are too many lvl100 cash shoppers who oracled and hyperstoned to 100 trying to tell us mid-levels who dont spend a lot of money on the game (and so actually know how to play) that we're n00bs just because we're lower level.

I mean, when you see someone in glowing armor, is it because they know the good effects of sharding, or because they like the glow?

But I think with wizzies that are high level, more often than not, they know what they are doing. It takes patience to roll a wiz.

Most of the lvl 100s on the forums(besides specialmats) have been 100 before hyperstones even came out or even before the first set of anni packs came out. Its true level doesnt mean much now, but dont apply that to everyone.

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

lol, true.
Actually I still have to use hypers...don't even know exactly how to do it.
Bought one once, I thought it's enough...lol...Put it in bank, it's rotting in there
and Oracles....hmmm...I think I bought about 1.5 mil worth once, I was lvl 94 and 97%. Needed the 3% to equip the lunar stuff.
The rest .... grind at the beginning, then dailies and cube since lvl 90.

lvl now means nothing...really nothing.

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Indeed but the thing that makes it so useful is the fast channeling & casting, not the mana or damage which is just the extra. I agree that it would burn up mana much faster.

After all, it's the stun that's important with those spells. Even for a wizard I mean. (unless you have to deal earth AOE damage, like say, on the water waves in rebirth)