Still a prestiege class

Anri_Rose - Archosaur

With the talk lately about how wizards are being overshadowed by the new psychic class and other such things, Along with the amount of bh and Hyper noobs
Are mages still a class that ppl revere at endgame

ANd im not asking about our power at endgame yea im sure were still feared but do ppl still stop and know when they see a mage thats 1xx that person is good, or do they just go
eh another noober.
DIscuss pls

Paimage - Harshlands

Anri_Rose - Archosaur wrote: »

With the talk lately about how wizards are being overshadowed by the new psychic class and other such things, Along with the amount of bh and Hyper noobs
Are mages still a class that ppl revere at endgame

ANd im not asking about our power at endgame yea im sure were still feared but do ppl still stop and know when they see a mage thats 1xx that person is good, or do they just go
eh another noober.
DIscuss pls

With how easy lvling got being at lvl100 wont make ppl think u r good and that happens for every other class, actually being lvl100 never made any1 think u r good jus that u r sum1 that put alot of effort into lvling. About psychic class, I seriously dont know how wiz r being overshadowed by psychics cuz I think wiz r more useful in both pvp and pve then a psy.

Aquagirl - Raging Tide

It's all about loving it or not.
I love my wizard and I'll keep playing it.

HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver

lvling is no big deal since there is daily , bh , all the normal quests + zhenning ..... so its up to a players how fast he wants to lvl up and how many coins/gold should be spent for lvling. In the end a lvl says nothing about the personal skill of a player. furthermore fast lvling makes you poor so unless you spend a lot of $ into the game the lvl indicates that you have devoted time to the game thats all. In my opinion wizz is not that hard to lvl after all because high dmg = fast kills of course its not as easy as going veno but its not hard neither.

greetz harmOwnie

@aquagirl - i agree playing a class which doesnt make fun just for cyber fame is pretty useless

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Paimage - Harshlands wrote: »

cuz I think wiz r more useful in both pvp and pve then a psy.

Hmm no comment on pvp aspect but pve really?

Where are wizzies better in pve?

TT? nah rarely people want wizzies, they prefer archers/psychics/sins.

Gamma/Delta? these days 2 archers is the norm, and a psychic (if pro) can function as the BM for stunning...

FC maybe? Idk, psys have way more AOEs that don't need sparks and higher DPS. DPH sucks for pve.


The reason? Wizzies have **** control skills and debuffs or buffs (except for Frostblade actually there's no other buff).

We are meant to do damage you say? We don't even have higher DPS than psychics. Actually we have lower DPS than any class except clerics and barbs, maybe some venos, and some BMs (particularly, the non-fist ones).

Where are we good at PVE?

Oh yeah, on some easier bhs (like bh59) we can function as backup cleric in case cleric drops out. b:laugh

Xarathos - Harshlands

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Hmm no comment on pvp aspect but pve really?

Where are wizzies better in pve?

TT? nah rarely people want wizzies, they prefer archers/psychics/sins.

Gamma/Delta? these days 2 archers is the norm, and a psychic (if pro) can function as the BM for stunning...

FC maybe? Idk, psys have way more AOEs that don't need sparks and higher DPS. DPH sucks for pve.


The reason? Wizzies have **** control skills and debuffs or buffs (except for Frostblade actually there's no other buff).

We are meant to do damage you say? We don't even have higher DPS than psychics. Actually we have lower DPS than any class except clerics and barbs, maybe some venos, and some BMs (particularly, the non-fist ones).

Where are we good at PVE?

Oh yeah, on some easier bhs (like bh59) we can function as backup cleric in case cleric drops out. b:laugh

QQ moar pl0xb:laugh

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Well maybe you should take some time to point where my post was a QQ instead of just stating some simple facts about pve?

Specifically: what do wizards have that benefits a squad in pve? Except for frostblade, that is. And by "benefit" of course I mean something that some other class can't do better.

TT? Archers + Sharpened Tooth Arrow > Wizards
Gamma/Delta? Archers + Barrage of Arrows > Wizards + Dragon's Breath

heck psychic can even function as a BM for aoe stuns, like I've said. That's plenty of potential.

FC? What have wizards here better than psychics?

Simple facts?

Xarathos - Harshlands

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Well maybe you should take some time to point where my post was a QQ instead of just stating some simple facts about pve?

Specifically: what do wizards have that benefits a squad in pve? Except for frostblade, that is.

WotP (okay its knockback so no use in fc), MS massive aoe stun when theres no bm, Undine to maximize dmg for psych and self,DB (constant aoe which psych dont have), and nukes with sutra etc etc.. oh and a heal with sutra can get like 3-4 which easily heals like 12k hp when the target of cleric is bout to die

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Well it's kinda rare that people take both a psychic and a wiz in the same squad for Undine to be effective for more than 1 ppl (at the more difficult instances i mean, not bhs). MS stun is nice and all but stuns don't stack and it's too slow, so by the time you get it the mobs are probably already stunned by BM or psychic, which makes it useless (again, stuns don't stack, not even update).

Dragon's Breath is good which psychics don't have but archers have Barrage which seems to be preferred nowadays in Gamma/Delta. See what I mean?

EDIT: I should add what I mean. The classical layout in Gamma is 1 wiz and 1 archer for zhen. Nowadays it seems 2 archers are preferred. b:surrender

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Hmm no comment on pvp aspect but pve really?

Where are wizzies better in pve?

TT? nah rarely people want wizzies, they prefer archers/psychics/sins.

Gamma/Delta? these days 2 archers is the norm, and a psychic (if pro) can function as the BM for stunning...

FC maybe? Idk, psys have way more AOEs that don't need sparks and higher DPS. DPH sucks for pve.


The reason? Wizzies have **** control skills and debuffs or buffs (except for Frostblade actually there's no other buff).

We are meant to do damage you say? We don't even have higher DPS than psychics. Actually we have lower DPS than any class except clerics and barbs, maybe some venos, and some BMs (particularly, the non-fist ones).

Oh yeah, on some easier bhs (like bh59) we can function as backup cleric in case cleric drops out. b:laugh

Where are we good at PVE?

What good is a psy's amount of AoE's when a wizzy stands in DB?
Psy can't replace a wizzy as zhenner cause wizzy has booth high power and defences

And wizzy's simple don't exist for DPS. Wiz = Nuke. Nothing else. A wiz is made for massive dmg per shot.

And you're kidding on the BH59 part right? BH5=wizzy tank.

Xarathos - Harshlands

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Well it's kinda rare that people take both a psychic and a wiz in the same squad for Undine to be effective for more than 1 ppl (at the more difficult instances i mean, not bhs). MS stun is nice and all but stuns don't stack and it's too slow, so by the time you get it the mobs are probably already stunned by BM or psychic, which makes it useless (again, stuns don't stack, not even update).

Dragon's Breath is good which psychics don't have but archers have Barrage which seems to be preferred nowadays in Gamma/Delta. See what I mean?

EDIT: I should add what I mean. The classical layout in Gamma is 1 wiz and 1 archer for zhen. Nowadays it seems 2 archers are preferred. b:surrender

lol i know MS stun dont stack thats why i said when theres no BM, use it with sutra and you wonder how fast it will drop :P.. i know i know QQ not enough chi to make that happen.. well w8 til 89 >< or use geniechi thingy, and yes there are rly squads who searching additionally dd to wiz for fc .. coz i saw that today lol, DB.. barrage theres no diff one is mag other is phy.. and same here wiz+archer combo works well in gv, well havent heard now its 2 archer lol.. why would they use 2 archer? when wiz can drop 3 ultis.. one with stun and got another 2 for AOE lol hailstorm, DB.. i dont rly see the point :P

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

And you're kidding on the BH59 part right? BH5=wizzy tank.

I was talking about the cleric dropping out, not the tank. A barb has no probs tanking that instance with a wiz healing. I've done it twice already.

Without a cleric I don't know how much a wiz/arcane user can tank though.

And yeah I know we're made for damage per hit. But my point was about pve. How is that useful in PVE? b:question

Paimage - Harshlands

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

I was talking about the cleric dropping out, not the tank. A barb has no probs tanking that instance with a wiz healing. I've done it twice already.

Without a cleric I don't know how much a wiz/arcane user can tank though.

And yeah I know we're made for damage per hit. But my point was about pve. How is that useful in PVE? b:question

Why is a wiz more useful then a psy in pve? Let me c, in FC you want a wiz cuz we have stronger aoe then psy and we can also zhen. In GV wiz also cuz we can zhen and I dont know since when 2 archers is better then 2 wiz, the result actually is pretty much the same. In TT perhaps psy is more useful (slightly) mainly cuz of fast chanelling, but even in public quest a wiz is more useful cuz of zhen. So ye, a wiz is more useful then a psy in pve.

MagicHamsta - Lost City

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

And yeah I know we're made for damage per hit. But my point was about pve. How is that useful in PVE? b:question

you....hit stuff.
b:surrender

Ursa - Dreamweaver

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

I was talking about the cleric dropping out, not the tank. A barb has no probs tanking that instance with a wiz healing. I've done it twice already.

Without a cleric I don't know how much a wiz/arcane user can tank though.

And yeah I know we're made for damage per hit. But my point was about pve. How is that useful in PVE? b:question

you just don't have any clue, don't you? Like....none, nada, zip.
59 tanked by barb. Lol. As a wizard, if a barb tanks 59 and you're in that instance, go blow your head off.

There are a lot of morons taking 2 archers in RB instead of 1 archer 1 wizard, because relatively bigger HP on archer means in their mind better. I'm not going to go in details cause I don't think it's worth it, but wizard will have much much better defense and dmg output than archer in RB when auras are reaching a decent level. Plus, mobs in RB have a higher Pdef than Mdef, so wizard will do more damage on them.
I'm gonna stop here cause I fell like I'm wasting my time for nothing.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

I was talking about the cleric dropping out, not the tank. A barb has no probs tanking that instance with a wiz healing. I've done it twice already.

Without a cleric I don't know how much a wiz/arcane user can tank though.

And yeah I know we're made for damage per hit. But my point was about pve. How is that useful in PVE? b:question

What more do you need in PvE than dropping mobs before they reach you?

Xarathos - Harshlands

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

What more do you need in PvE than dropping mobs before they reach you?

1shotting em before they can even think about it :S

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

pve =/= grinding who is doing mobquests anymore, its all about BH TT FC :P


+ delta, archers need way higher weapon refines to get some mobs aggro at all under boa
>.> what ursa said




...can psychs solo-aoe grind on 20~30 phy mobs :O?

SurferGirl - Dreamweaver

Anri_Rose - Archosaur wrote: »

With the talk lately about how wizards are being overshadowed by the new psychic class

ill lol hard for that

i cant see why ppl think psy is a better wiz then wiz no offence to u psy's out there and dont hate me its just my opinion but i say psy's sucks and fail big time psy cant do more dmg then wiz idc what any1 say psy cant hurt more then wiz not even with black voodoo not even when they will ahve lvl 11 skils they just cant wiz skills have about x3 more dmg just on skill and **** the psy hit faster part. psy first basic spells(and fastest) have same speed as wiz gush and pyro

Aqua Impact Level 1
Range 20.4 Meters
Mana 6
Channel 0.5 seconds
Cast 1.5 seconds

Spirit Blast Level 1
Range 20.4 Meters
Mana 9
Channel 0.6 seconds
Cast 1.4 seconds


Pyrogram Level 1
Range 20.4meters
Mana 6
Channel 1.5 seconds
Cast 0.8 second

Gush Level 1
Range 20.4meters
Mana 9
Channel 1.0 seconds
Cast 1.0 seconds

all 4 hit the target after 2 sec. psy have faster chan. wiz got faster cast time . now that i think of it at end game wiz hit faster. chan reduce items will affect our chan and cast time will still be faster then psy's so at end game we will hit even faster then psy's not to mention far more dmg

also psy's dont have earth barrier like we do so suckish p deff. inless they put full p deff shards. but then suck hp. inless they put vit. but then even worst dmg, and not to mention while they got black voodoo they die even faster. and if they use white voodoo they wont kill anything lets face it

btw im not talking aobut pve. i talk about pvp

anyway i got a whole lot of stuf to say about how wiz is better but im not gonna say more i think i got myself hated enough but evrey1 psy user out there ill just say wiz rocks just keep playing it if u wont like it trust me, u wont have beter time with a psy


oh btw. i saw some1 saying psy can be used as a bm in delta/gamma to stun. wake up ppl psy got only 1 aoe stun like wiz do. and ours hurt more, and also stun reset aggro means the psy will get full aggro if he do it and he will die the sec they are out of stun. and if he use white voodoo to live then what good he is as a dd on rb?

/Groovy/ - Harshlands

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Where are wizzies better in pve?

To start off, we got way higher mana pool and way higher mana regen. Crucial in solo grind and almost all instances (only exception being GV).

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

TT? nah rarely people want wizzies, they prefer archers/psychics/sins.

Maybe on your server. Here, people always ask for DDs in general, never specific class. I've never been rejected in TT squad. Never.
On the other hand, I do the part of secondary healer on General Wurlord so often that I thought about stacking more -channeling gear. People are happy because getting 2 clerics in one squad is really hard.

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Gamma/Delta? these days 2 archers is the norm, and a psychic (if pro) can function as the BM for stunning...

I've never been refused in GV squad "because psychic would be better". DDs are DDs.

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

FC maybe? Idk, psys have way more AOEs that don't need sparks and higher DPS. DPH sucks for pve.

Ever since I went sage I always got spark for DB. It takes 2-3 ticks of DB max to kill any pull.

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

The reason? Wizzies have **** control skills and debuffs or buffs (except for Frostblade actually there's no other buff).

Frostblade is quite useful in TT, archers, BMs and (especially) assassins deal more damage = faster TT run.
Debuffs part made me laugh. Undine is powerful debuff, excellent when there are more than 1 wizards or psychics in squad.
Control skills are just enough, Force of Will is semi-spammable when maxed, also is very efficient in PvE, not only stops mobs from attacking but makes them run away, buying extra time for team. Sleep is more useful in PvP, I use it in PvE only as a backup.
We got fast knockback skill, we got plenty of slow and freeze skills. They are reliable if you know their limits.

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

We are meant to do damage you say? We don't even have higher DPS than psychics. Actually we have lower DPS than any class except clerics and barbs, maybe some venos, and some BMs (particularly, the non-fist ones).

That's new. Tell that to bosses on my BH's, maybe they won't aggro anymore on me when I crit few times in a row. Also, Chi skill and sage Pyrogram greatly increase DPS since we can Sutra and 2/3-spark very often.

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Where are we good at PVE?

Oh yeah, on some easier bhs (like bh59) we can function as backup cleric in case cleric drops out. b:laugh

I solo healed FB59 at my 7x without a problem. I also tanked all bosses there during many bh59's.
I'd like to see Psychic tanking Zimo with Black Voodoo on :P

Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Hmm no comment on pvp aspect but pve really?

Where are wizzies better in pve?

There are many areas in which wizzies outshine psychics in pve. I have provided more detail below, but to sum it up, higher dph with sutra can maximize heaven's flame, we have good tanking ability in the higher levels with good gear, our zhen skill is efficient, and we've got more mana and harder hitting skills.

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

TT? nah rarely people want wizzies, they prefer archers/psychics/sins.

I see WC asking for DD's for TT's a lot. They most always say archer/wizzie.

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Gamma/Delta? these days 2 archers is the norm, and a psychic (if pro) can function as the BM for stunning...

No way in f-ing hell can a psy replace a bm. You have NO movement skills, your aoe stun costs 1 spark and has a long cooldown, and you DON'T have an amp. Oh yeah, and if you stun, aggro will reset, and you'll die.
2 archers being the norm? Never heard of that.

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

FC maybe? Idk, psys have way more AOEs that don't need sparks and higher DPS. DPH sucks for pve.

You don't have a zhen skill. (note that I am referring to you as a psy, since you QQ about wizards so much) Your lack of a 0 chan skill means you can't maximize heaven's flame amp, and your dph is way lower, so there's that too. Sage wizzies will be able to crank out sutra A LOT b/c of the chi skill.
Oh and plus, your aoe stun is smaller than our mountain seize (note again the way I make a distinction between you and us wizzies again, since obv, you are a fish inhabiting a wiz avatar).

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

The reason? Wizzies have **** control skills and debuffs or buffs (except for Frostblade actually there's no other buff).

We have sutra heal, and even elemental shell can be helpful, even though it's a situational skill.

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

We are meant to do damage you say? We don't even have higher DPS than psychics. Actually we have lower DPS than any class except clerics and barbs, maybe some venos, and some BMs (particularly, the non-fist ones).

The difference in dph between us and any other class offsets the slow channeling, which we can also offset using -chan gear. Psys won't benefit as much since their skills have short channeling but long cast time.

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

TT? Archers + Sharpened Tooth Arrow > Wizards
Gamma/Delta? Archers + Barrage of Arrows > Wizards + Dragon's Breath

BoA = 2 spark, and most archers go demon, so no chi skill.
DB = 1 spark, low cooldown, easy to get up again if interrupted.
Sharpened tooth is good, but that just means 1 archer, 1 wiz is best.

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Where are we good at PVE?

Oh yeah, on some easier bhs (like bh59) we can function as backup cleric in case cleric drops out. b:laugh

I LOL'd at your laugh at sutra heal. Read the following quote:

Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary wrote: »

Borsuc, you've been posting similar posts about psys being > wizzies. Please reroll.

You obv don't know how to play your class.

Edit: Forgot to mention my tanking argument.
Either you black voodoo and get 2-shot by a lowbie mob attempting to tank, or you use white voodoo and lose aggro cuz ur dmg sux.

CornHilario - Heavens Tear

well, i havent been reading up on wizard vs. phychics, but i personally like the idea of wizards more than psychics. wizards seem like a knowledgeable and all-knowing class. psychics seems like some gypsy street bum.

oh right. i also STILL beleive that wizards are one of the superior endgame classes, among others.

LONG LIVE OXYGEN BREATHERS

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

HexOmega - Dreamweaver wrote: »

pve =/= grinding who is doing mobquests anymore, its all about BH TT FC :P


+ delta, archers need way higher weapon refines to get some mobs aggro at all under boa
>.> what ursa said

I do. I enjoy grinding to move my mind of everything

Borsuc - Raging Tide

To clarify, I'd respond to the main points raised instead of individual quoting (hurts my eyes lol, sorry for that).

1) By pve I didn't mean normal mobs, in case you were wondering

2) You can't Sutra more often than 1 minute (cooldown is ruining my plans b:cry)

3) Double/Triple Spark is not that good replacement for Sutra -- all your spells have the same damage increase ADDITIVELY (not multiplicatively, aka a percent increase), so it's best used for the fastest spells you have, more percent increase on damage. (not talking about the -25% channeling for Demon spark ofc). That means Gush/Pyro/WotP spam probably. (and maybe DoTs)?

4) You can't really "kill mobs before they reach you" in the pve scenarios i was talking about: TT mobs, Rebirth mobs, FC, or w/e. If you can, then you're probably going to lower lvl instances (compared to you) or have like warsoul or something. b:shocked

5) Archer's Barrage > Dragon's Breath... and guess what? It has a weapon modifier... It's expected after all it's a better skill and needs 2 sparks... but seriously, you know there's a thing called Chi Auras in Rebirth right? How is the 2 spark usage even a factor when you keep it continuously and you have 2 sparks by the time you get canceled out of it? (or die and come back)

6) Good point on Heaven's Flame. Hard to pull off one of our Ultis sometimes in that time frame though, unless the squad is organized properly. (yeah, slow casting)

7) Ok I admit there's some psychics on my server with uber gear (like LuciferV) who can function as temporary tanks so some of the "stories" might come from this (though, ofc, I wouldn't know! just stating a possibility). Personally, I don't know of any wizzies that geared on my sever -- again, it could very well be my lack of sight.

Also to whoever said I am "bashing" wizards, not true. The observations I make are simple. We simply don't excel pve-wise where another class can't replace us. Consequently no squad WANTS us, but they can LIVE with us. As in, they WANT a cleric, or a barb... or an archer in some cases... heck I've even seen requests for "psys" specifically (not "DD"). But they can live WITHOUT a mage... sometimes even better so, though it depends on the instance.

Sure we CAN go to Rebirth, TT, or whatever else, but we are NOT needed. An archer is of higher priority in TT, in Rebirth the "new trend" at least on my server is 2 archers. We can take the "DD" spot, but people never look SPECIFICALLY for something in us. Like they do for Sharpened Tooth Arrow. Or the psychic's buffs and control skills, or white voodoo in some cases.

The devs should give more exclusive stuff to wizards really, is all I'm saying. There's nowhere that some role is exclusive to us. Psychics on the other hand can function as a safety backup in case BM misses stuns or something... and with his buffs he has more tricks up his sleeve. Empowered Vigor is of particular note.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

Yes, afterall I should have taken a screeny of that WC today:
'FC squad needs wizzard pls'

And pls, stop that bulcrap about BoA>DB
Senario: FC, 1 pulls in a row.
2 options: 1 wizzy
1 archer

Option wizzy: Wizzy has 2 choises: drop DB to save mp and set back up 20 secs later.
Just keep DB open and take an extra pot while waiting for the pull

Option archer: Archer has no choises. BoA drops after his target is dead (of the first pull, might not even get the full first pull. BoA costs 2 sparks, and in 2 secs you can't build 2 sparks (or even 1spark 1chi). So for the next pull, squad will have to wait for archer to build his chi or kill it with only BM AoE's.

Now tell me what you'd prefere, a wiz or an archer?

And yes, I count 1 zhenner. Usually I am the only zhenner. Other person in the squad is either an archer (who hardly ever uses BoA), or a sin or something

Kristoph - Lost City

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Yes, afterall I should have taken a screeny of that WC today:
'FC squad needs wizzard pls'

And pls, stop that bulcrap about BoA>DB
Senario: FC, 1 pulls in a row.
2 options: 1 wizzy
1 archer

Option wizzy: Wizzy has 2 choises: drop DB to save mp and set back up 20 secs later.
Just keep DB open and take an extra pot while waiting for the pull

Option archer: Archer has no choises. BoA drops after his target is dead (of the first pull, might not even get the full first pull. BoA costs 2 sparks, and in 2 secs you can't build 2 sparks (or even 1spark 1chi). So for the next pull, squad will have to wait for archer to build his chi or kill it with only BM AoE's.

Now tell me what you'd prefere, a wiz or an archer?

And yes, I count 1 zhenner. Usually I am the only zhenner. Other person in the squad is either an archer (who hardly ever uses BoA), or a sin or something

The existence of Cloud Eruption makes your post look pretty stupid.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »

The existence of Cloud Eruption makes your post look pretty stupid.

Than why don't archers ever use BoA when they are in my squads?

Helbear - Heavens Tear

CornHilario - Heavens Tear wrote: »

well, i havent been reading up on wizard vs. phychics, but i personally like the idea of wizards more than psychics. wizards seem like a knowledgeable and all-knowing class. psychics seems like some gypsy street bum.

oh right. i also STILL beleive that wizards are one of the superior endgame classes, among others.

LONG LIVE OXYGEN BREATHERS

Im so proud of you corn b:cute

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Than why don't archers ever use BoA when they are in my squads?

There is an easy solution to the problem of BoA dropping after the target is dead, if you pull to the shade, the archer should target the shade as it has much more HP than one of the mobs in the pull. Problem sorted plus cloud eruption helps like stated before.

Ursa - Dreamweaver

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Than why don't archers ever use BoA when they are in my squads?

mana consumption on BOA , especially if decently lvled. most of them don't have the MP to handle 4 ticks, which is basically 12 seconds

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Than why don't archers ever use BoA when they are in my squads?

because most archers are cheap.

Ursa - Dreamweaver

not cheap necesarily, it's just a huge waste for them most of the time.