Why do people recommend BUYING TT mats?

Farming TT mats is great and all, but do you know how many mats I need to get my Gold gear?? I need 63 I think it was Ult Subs and those are the easy ones to go and farm.

I am gonna get my gear right away sinstead of waiting. **crosses fingers for good shop sales. (go buy my stuff).

Well I believe different people have different ways of acquiring things. Some buy the mats, some farm them, some buy the equips directly.

I choose depending upon the mat prices and equip prices. I usually buy the mats gradually over time. This is because buying the equip as such would need me to shell out more money in one shot which I might not have at that moment. Moreover I am a crafter and usually grind a lot for the mats I need which gives me sufficient coins (300k in DQs and equips every 1 or 2 hrs depending on my luck) to buy TT mats i need. For every 300k worth of loot and mats, my repair bill is like 15k and atmost 5~6 hp pots (I get 25 or more hp pots as drops <.<).

Compare this to a TT run which would take around the same time to organize and complete. Being a DD and with current pick up group rules, you should be really lucky to make that much. Hence, its much easier for me to simply buy the mats than go through the trouble of a random TT squad. However I do TT runs with my faction to help them get mats and planning to do it only with them for the next set of mats. I guess the randoms can pick from 1 less DD b:laugh

You have 10 levels to acquire the stuff you need for the next level range. Either you can choose to buy the mats by finding good deals inthe AH or farm a few or if you have enough cash buy the complete equip.

On a side note, if mana/repair expense is what rules mat picking order, can i
1.) barrage the whole run and whenever i can
2.) Do not use sharptooth, stuns, aim lows on mobs so that I use up more mana and arrows
3.) Run into mobs and take hits instead of keeping them away and not being to hit me

All this would increase my mana and repair expenses. Is that ok for first pick? o.O

Sheeeba - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I agree that it sometimes becomes necessary to buy them when u can't get them thru runs, but IMO, buying something should be a last resort, not a first one. As far as getting last pick, yea that sux, but patience and perserverence usually work out in the end i think (at least it usually does for me).

As a sort of aside to this topic...why the hell do venos get lumped in with DD's when deciding pick order? In a normal squad, they're luring, meaning they should go 3rd, not based on the "DD by level" thing:

1. barb (for tanking)
2. cleric (for healing)
3. veno (for luring)
4. DD's by lvl

Sadly, however, how things SHOULD be and how things ARE rarely match up.

Veno 3rd pick for luring? WTF? that must be the joke of the day.

unfortunately this r.tard rule made me quit doing TTs. I only ran TTs for the culti quests I had in there and 1 or 2 times for being curious while I was in 60s/70s.

Try to do that as a DD with 4 different squads in a day , spend 8-9 hrs in TT just to come up with some **** mats that sell for close to nothing or with something that's useless for you.
Honestly I wish all DDs would just stop giving a **** and let barbs and clerics do TT. I really want to see how a barb will take down a boss in tiger form with a cleric in IH spam **** through charms( And I'm not talking about +90 ones there, usually 90+ ppl already have the friends/squads to split the mats properly). And if you need any gold mat as DD from TT, you can forget about it.

I bought all my TT mats/gear from AH, farming mats/herbs. I found it much more cost effective, since it would have taken me 2-3 hours to farm for 1-2 TT mats that I needed and in that time I could farm/sell enough mats to buy from AH what I needed + get some coins and MP regen/DMG absorb pots for grind/TW.
And back then BH didn't even existed. Now that job would be even more profitable.

JadeFarmer - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Molds till level 90 then TT equips, A lot less heartache.

This. And a much, much better choice stats/bonus wise.

solo ftw
/10char

Zhoubotong - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I buy mats or run TT's with friends, about 50% for each case. Every once in a while I run random TT's to make new friends, but most of my TT runs are with friends. People get a fairer distribution -- I don't need second pick on war drums if I actually only needed tough shards. And as a result, people are happier and it's easier to squad again next time. Giving subber or barb 300k more in mats isn't really fair when it's the veno that saved my repair bill by half.

more please b:victory

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

but no thats not worth an extra 500k in mats


Agreed a sub is 60k in HL right now so...id rather chip in for a sub than have a uneven split where tank should get more but not 500k worth -.- (i understand repair costs but its not overkill >.>)

IDK what backwards TT you guys are doing but this is way TT really works.

Some of you have mentioned lets just do multiple runs w/ ppl in our lvl range till we get all our gear.

The problem w/ that theory is the fact that every1 is more concrened about lvling than getting gear 90% of the time. This is the reason you see 9x players w/ 7x gears. No one wants to spend the time to farm their gear as lvling seems to be much more enjoyable to them. Also you might do 1-2 runs a day w/ the same people, however maybe 2-3 out of that squad will do more runs because their class has a higher demand for the instance than yours. (e.g. A barb or cleric will go on 2x or maybe 3x the amount of TT runs a wizard or blademaster or sin or psychic will or even archer) so they'll finish their sets alot quicker than you will if your a DD.

Myth #2
Splitting mats isnt fair. I always get that **** mat.

If your a DD and dont get asked to that many TT runs, its probably because your class is in low demand for TT. Examples are Blademasters and Wizards. To prevent getting the last **** mat, all you need to do is sub the run. Sure it costs you a max of 210k~or 240k~, but you get 1-2 mats that you'll need that cost anywhere from 500k~2mil. TT runs are supposed to be split Subber/barb/cleric/DD's in order of level. The reason for this is because of cost. It costs alot of money to do TT believe it or not (i'm talking about multiple runs a day not just 1 or 2). paying 210-240k in sub costs really does suck that's y u get 1st pick and dont let any1 tell u different.

Myth #3
You can do TT w/ a 6man squad

The only and only way you can do that is if every1 had subs on them and you all agreed to farm it everyday until you all got the mats you needed. In the actual practice that idea doesnt work at all. Its difficult to get players on for TW much less TT. Also those players would have to give up doing FC runs and switch to TT runs (something alot of ppl have issues w/). and lets not forget about costs, the barb and cleric would be paying alot in repairs in comparisson to the other classes. TT should only be done w/ 4-5 man squads prefably 4 because more mats go around and every1 would get their gear quicker. yes longer run but more profitable.

Myth #4
ZOMG! I NEEDED THAT GHOST LORD RIBBON! NOT A SORCERER HANDb:angryb:angry

Ok calm your rage down my friend. TT mats and coin are the same thing. TT mats and really everything in perfect world thats tradeable has a value. Even if you dont get the mat you need from a TT run the mat you did get can be sold for coin to get the mat you do need. If that mat is cheaper than the mat you need save that coin and sell other mats on the runs you go on to get the mat you need. A lot of people just do not understand this, so to further illustrate the point i'll give another example. You have all the mats you need for your TT90 Armor except for one Forshuras Arm. You go on a 2-3 run and only get an Astral Stone and a Giant Ape Tail. Neither of those are the mats you needed. Instead of getting upset over it and doing another run for that Forshura Arm, sell the two mats you've recieved from the previous run for coin to buy the Forshura Arm you do need. So for this example, 1 Forshura Arm= 1 Astral Stone + 1 Giant Ape Tail. So by now i hope you see every TT mat has a price, so even if you dont get that most expensive mat you still havent lost out on the possiblity of getting it.

Best Method of getting gear for TT?

Farm the instance w/ close friends. If they're really your friend doesnt matter what level they are, they'll help you out until you have all your pieces for your gear. Likewise if they need help w/ theirs you should help them out in getting it. This works better in smaller factions i find because people for some reason are much more helpful than in larger ones. Not to say if your in a huge faction you wont get any help at all, but I personally found it easier to get my in a smaller faction when every1 got together.

Myth #4
ZOMG! I NEEDED THAT GHOST LORD RIBBON! NOT A SORCERER HAND

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I agree with this point to a certain extent. It works well in the lower TTs since the mats are similarly priced. Sell that War Drum and you can buy a Tough Shard for about the same price and etc. However, this starts to fall apart in the higher level TTs.

You start getting mats worth over 1 million. If a DD needs an Antenna and they get stuck with a Feng's Horn and an Ape's Tail, what now? You'd barely get half the coin needed for an Antenna from selling those two mats. I know, do another run, right? But you're forgetting about the time factor. Not everyone can do multiple runs and play for extended periods of time. Where the Barb or Cleric can get the mats they need in a few runs, the DDs need to do twice to three times the runs to get the coins to buy the mats they need and that's if they can get into a squad.

It's common to see Barbs and Cleric who have their TT gear 4-5 levels before they can wear it. Whereas, you see DDs 4-5 levels higher struggling to get the mats they need. So yes, TT mats do equal coin, but they also equal time.

As to the OP's question, level into the 90s and then talk about farming mats. When you need mats from 3-2 and 3-3, you'll have no qualms about buying them. Unless you're in one of the larger factions, 3-2 runs are almost non-existant and 3-3 is almost always a BH run.

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I recommend people buying TT mats so I can sell them

on a more serious note, TT should only ever be considered in 2 forms 1 gear runs and 2 profit runs. For gear runs all mats needed should be banked up and split by need the team should be consistant and be people who need the same runs as you do this is especially important for hh99 gold sets as otherwise you end up selling and spliting the gold mats which really is a bad plan on a pvp server (every gold mat sold goes to another person at level 99 or higher most likely in a kos guild) keeping the gold mats within your guild forces your KOS to farm their own 3-2 and 3-3 runs (which interestingly is hard for some people), cheap mats that arent needed from these runs can be sold (none of the chestplate mats but any other greenmat is fine) and the coin split among the squad

For profit runs, use even smaller parties 4 or less players to split the money among less people best party distribution so far has been 1 cleric, 1 bm, 1 archer, 1 herc veno, do runs you can finish quickly with decent profit margins and sell at 10% less than the average market price (sells almost instantly so no need to stall for multiple days)

I don't buy mats. Not worth it. Better to run it for free.

Sheeeba - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Why the hell would i spend money on something i can get for free? To me, it just doesn't make sense. TT runs are not difficult, and i find them quite fun. I usually do the runs with my cleric, cuz it's usually easier to find a squad that way, but even with mana costs, it's still worth it to get the mats you need. I just find it odd that whenever people are recommending armors and weps to people approaching TT level, they tell them, "Oh, start saving for your TT60 Wep" or "Start saving for your TT70 Armor" or whatever. Pfft. I'd rather do the runs and save my coin for something else.

Anyway, this is just my opinion on this...what do u guys think?

U r totally right TT is something soo good for us it is like um.... Gold sellers they buy TT and they dont do TT runs and We do TT runs and Dont Sell Gold thats why u see ppl buy TT mats or weapons or armor whatever

b:surrender

guys, it is not squads **** you, but you yourselves in first place.

i know that there are greedy ppl that wont let u make money on tt, but in most cases it is your own fault you get ****.


Make TT cheaper:

1) u dont need to always run in 6ppl squads

2) u rarely need 2 clerics

3) time is money:
-bm shud HF or spark
-veno - amp, dd and use pet on aoe bosses
-cleric on most can DD and debuff between heals
-barbs shud use devour at least

Lazyness of other ppl just make things take longer


4) u dont have to kill all bosses. really >>"
Below typical chat with random squad f.e. while 2-3 run

Me: guys, lets just kill lion, wulord and dog and do 2 runs in a row
Nubs: no sorry, we wont have time for 2nd run
ME: guys, but killing all 5-6 bosses (+ feng, ape, astral) will take similar time like 2 short runs
Nubs: -silence-

After one full run (without AE ofc) - rage/quit of low DDs coz they got lion edges+tails and me antenna (and im at least not greedy to pick 2nd mat if i got ant/arm)

VILKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »

I don't like buying mats, & too lazy to farm. I prefer buying made equip, already sharded & refined. In most cases it turns out cheaper than to make it yourself & put in gems/ref, gotta search for a while though.

Same, though at my level I dont need good shards. Ive only done 1 TT run which was for a friend and I didn't even finish it. Left after first boss and went and did jewelcasen instead. I can probably make more money marketing in the same amount of time than I would save if I went and did a TT run.

I really think it all depends on who you go into TT with. Personally, i organize the squads myself and make sure that everybody is gonna stay in for the whole thing, if they leave for a silly reason, eg. someone said to me once "Oh i got my matt now i need to go grind", they get put on my squad blacklist and arent seen in any squad im in ever again. I know it sounds harsh but theres certain people you just cant trust to bring into anything.

The point is if you want good drops go in with your friends or people you consider generous, sometimes you can find people to help with TT that just want the mirages.