Is this ksing?

Unfortunately KSing is largely a matter of opinion. Unless a person is intentionally trying to stop another player from killing the mobs they need, it is not harmful enough to warrant a report.

We do encourage our players to try to be courteous to each other, but in this instance it seems like you were just going about your business and it was an honest mistake. No harm no foul? There will always be an influx of these sorts of claims when new content is added, since everyone wants to try it out. b:victory

DEc gimme back my burger i looked at it ..

I get angry when people attack a mob they clearly see me getting ready to attack. I use to be a veno and I'm not use to having to be close ranged to a mob so I normally leave an area with anyone who has a larger range attack than I have.

But you weren't really ksing them but if they were just sitting there for a few minutes and you decide to attack that mob they can't complain they should have attacked it when it spawned or paid attention to it. But if they were swimming towards it and there was no mob closer to them or they weren't raising or lowering in the water then I'd cancel my attack or look for another mob. It'd seem rude to me if I intentionally attack a mob I see a melee char go after a mob.

And being a sin is pricey, you need just as much SP and coin for lvl6x veno skills in low lvls. That's how I see it as imo, and we don't make a lot of money with how squishy we are. :S We're like squishy pure mag clerics fuzzed with pure dex archers. We hit hard but we can't take a beating.

In other games I've played, it would be classified more as Camp Stealing than Kill Stealing. Provided you engaged the mob first (and you clearly did), then it's technically your mob and your kill, and the only person you could steal it from would be yourself.

On the other hand, it is rude to attack a mob that someone else clearly intends to engage -- and you acknowledged that you knew the other person was planning to do so.

That is NOT ks'ing. If they didn't engage the enemy, then it's not their enemy. Most times when this happens to me, I try to squad the person going after the same mobs as I am. If they refuse, then I feel that they are just being stubborn and are looking for a fight. Then there are times when you and someone else attack a mob at the same time. In that situation. I feel that whoever kills it the quickest deserves the kill. Of course this all goes with the other player being around the same level as you are. If you're in an area that has lvl 40 mobs, you're level 42, and a lvl 74 comes around killing everything in sight, then that would be ks'ing, because they would be like Spoons said, "A person who is intentionally trying to stop another player from killing the mobs they need."

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Deceptipoo seems to be particularly fixated on burgers today b:chuckle



oh, i looked at it so ish mine

That's a nasty looking hamburger. b:spit

I say it isn't.... simply because they don't have to keep trying to attack monsters that you are obviously going to attack.... they can move a few meters away and kill their own mobs in their own area.... This also goes for you, if the other person was already there.

Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Wrong, for all you know, this lvl 74 might be clearing old outstanding quests.

In PWI, whoever hits the mob first gets the kill. This is sad but true.

So, either move to a new spot, or just kill whatever you can.

That is not true =P It's whoever does more than half the mobs life in damage.... or more damage in general.

Jennalicious - Sanctuary wrote: »

That's a nasty looking hamburger. b:spit

it does looks kind of small...notice the size of a potato chip next to it...

i believe this would be much more appropriate for a burger.

Kimbley - Harshlands wrote: »

I say it isn't.... simply because they don't have to keep trying to attack monsters that you are obviously going to attack.... they can move a few meters away and kill their own mobs in their own area.... This also goes for you, if the other person was already there.



That is not true =P It's whoever does more than half the mobs life in damage.... or more damage in general.

Please clarify... 'Obviously going for..'

If I'm a ranged class, of course i would choose target not beside me and furthest away, the moment I spot one potential mob, I would start casting if it isn't 'whatever' resistant.

Since the 'green text' has lead me to this spot. I can stay at this spot to clear my quest too... or do we move to a new area whenever we see others at the spot?

I think it's fair to say every player has the right to be in that spot, to clear their quest. As long as they have the quest, it's perfectly legit.

PWI works in a way that range classes need to have range to kill, even if the mob is just a walk away from you. If I can shoot it first, I can get the kill.

KS-ing is hard to define as no one can read the person's mind, also not forgetting the fact that some people usually play in ctrl-f9 settings, which I do often. I cannot be blamed since you are not beside me.

If I see some flashes on the mob before I start casting/ shooting, then I will look at the hp bar and move to another target.

But whoever gets to the mob (full HP) first, has the right to kill it.

The way you are saying, is like the first player owns the killing spot even you have the quest for it and couldn't kill there.

That's the clear advantage of range classes.

As long as someone has the quest, no matter what level, he touches the mob first, he has got the right to kill it.

If it's just grinding for mats by a higher level, then that's a cause of irritation.

guess i'm not alone,

your case is strikingly similar to mine, maybe it had been done by the same person... just maybe lol

my post: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=587151

Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Please clarify... 'Obviously going for..'

If I'm a ranged class, of course i would choose target not beside me and furthest away, the moment I spot one potential mob, I would start casting if it isn't 'whatever' resistant.

Since the 'green text' has lead me to this spot. I can stay at this spot to clear my quest too... or do we move to a new area whenever we see others at the spot?

I think it's fair to say every player has the right to be in that spot, to clear their quest. As long as they have the quest, it's perfectly legit.

PWI works in a way that range classes need to have range to kill, even if the mob is just a walk away from you. If I can shoot it first, I can get the kill.

KS-ing is hard to define as no one can read the person's mind, also not forgetting the fact that some people usually play in ctrl-f9 settings, which I do often. I cannot be blamed since you are not beside me.

If I see some flashes on the mob before I start casting/ shooting, then I will look at the hp bar and move to another target.

But whoever gets to the mob (full HP) first, has the right to kill it.

The way you are saying, is like the first player owns the killing spot even you have the quest for it and couldn't kill there.

That's the clear advantage of range classes.

As long as someone has the quest, no matter what level, he touches the mob first, he has got the right to kill it.

If it's just grinding for mats by a higher level, then that's a cause of irritation.

>_< I was not saying it's required... but it's polite and an easy fix... why would the person you are competing with(even if you can't see him) stay in the same area with you if you are obviously killing all the mobs around for your quests?
And also, just because you play in cnt f9 mode does not mean you can't just click the little button above your hp bar to see people.... Just because you don't see the people running as fast as they can to mobs doesn't mean that you aren't interrupting their gameplay, even if unintentional.

Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

As far as I can see, you have the quest, you can grind there for the required number of mobs your quest needs, even if you are a high level. THe high level is not doing anything wrong, for clearing outstanding quest.

What you are unhappy about is that the high level can kill faster than you, encroaches into your spot, and taking up the mobs that you need too.

There's nothing you can do and you know it as well as I do, so you called him KS-er. I'm sorry to say, the other high level is not doing anything wrong and neither is he ksing.

I have experienced this first hand while grinding on mobs. A higher lvl 64 veno, killed the same mobs for mats and called me greedy. She's killing 2 mobs at one goand is there anything I could do?

I told her I could give her the fruits I have gotten, but she got angry and challenged me to a duel, knowing full well she would win someone over 20 lvles lower.

Is she wilfully grieving me? There are mobs all around, but she just have to kill the ones around me and that carried on for a full hour. I gave up and went back to lofties.

Yes, she technically is..... if a person runs up to you, and starts killing the mobs all around you that you need too, without a care about your needs, then that is grieffing, even if they need them as well.

And it's also common courtesy to not just run up and start killing everything like you're the only person in the game that matters.

Kimbley - Harshlands wrote: »

>_< I was not saying it's required... but it's polite and an easy fix... why would the person you are competing with(even if you can't see him) stay in the same area with you if you are obviously killing all the mobs around for your quests?
And also, just because you play in cnt f9 mode does not mean you can't just click the little button above your hp bar to see people.... Just because you don't see the people running as fast as they can to mobs doesn't mean that you aren't interrupting their gameplay, even if unintentional.



Yes, she technically is..... if a person runs up to you, and starts killing the mobs all around you that you need too, without a care about your needs, then that is grieffing, even if they need them as well.

And it's also common courtesy to not just run up and start killing everything like you're the only person in the game that matters.

At times, even I know she's doing something obviously wrong, I can only rely on her own moral values to guide her.

Complaining her takes too much time and it's not even wrong that she's grinding on the mobs for mats. How do I prove that sh'es killing the mobs around me on purpose?

It's pointless to argue and just move on, it benefit me and leave her to do whatever she wanted.

When I'm grinding at 247 ms lag,I would do anything to minimize the additional lag on my display. Seriously, stopping to press the button is not efficient.

I will just look out for mobs disappearing and mobs attacking animation. If it happens, I move away.

if someone kills a mob that you were trying to kill, FFS just say "squad for ___?" and ask to squad. they're not intentionally trying to grief you lol.

in the end does it matter that you started moving toward the mob before i started channeling on the mob? whether you're right or you're wrong the result is that you're fuming over a matter that can easily be mitigated if you just ask to squad. quit arguing about definition of KS and trying to patch up loop holes, everyone just be nice and squad

see i dont see that as ksing depending on exactly how far away from the mob the other char was like im not gonna not atk a mob cuz a melee class is comeing from across the map if im in range and the person is going for the same mob but not close enough im gonna atk but what i will do is send them a squad invite so i dont get acussed of ksing later but if they dont take the invite sucks to be them i tried to be nice

I hate to say it but thats not ks. As much as i understand the melee class and how they feel about ranged killing everything around them. If the melee did not dmg the mob, then i suppose that mob is up for anyone. It i end up hitting a mob at nearly the same time as someone, i usualy just move on the next one and be nice. If i see the person having trouble or can telll they are questing i'll ask for a squad, but otherwise i'll keep moving down the feild untill i find a nice spot for myself. No need to fight over a mob when you dont have to, its silly.... theres plenty of fish in the sea. ^^