Is this ksing?
BellaKitsune - Raging Tide
Posts: 27 Arc User
Ok, I was fighting Planeshark Dons, and This person said I ksed them. I was always under the impression that ksing was when you attacked something someone else was attacking, Now I saw he/she heading for the monster that I will say straight up. But he/she had NOT attacked it yet. He/she says because he/she was heading for it, that I ksed. Am I right or are they?. It was not my intention to ks, but I'm not sure I did. I thought you weren't ksing unless the other person had aggro.
Below was the extent of our conversation, the name is blocked out, out of respect to their privacy.
Below was the extent of our conversation, the name is blocked out, out of respect to their privacy.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Post edited by BellaKitsune - Raging Tide on
0
Comments
-
I dont think its KSing
Its like hes saying
"Dont eat that hamburger, I looked at it so its mine"[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]lagunal8.deviantart.com
★"New weekly quests! "Discover the bug in the patch""-Nihillae★"My father would beat me if he found out I was QQing over a virtual pony."-Neurosis★"You're amongst the biggest blobs of fail I've ever seen in my life."-Ninnuam★"A statistic said 3% people of the world get enjoyment primarily from making people upset, and you are trying to discriminate them"-ilystah★["How To Tank Rebirth Order Delta (86+)"-Stickygreen Barb (1)restat. you want full magic, Arcane armour build (2)when mobs come /faceroll on your keyboard and you will one shot all the mobs (3)rinse and repeat]★"I've been spammed with 3 poops for 2 hours."-ColdSteele★"If someone fights learning, I don't bother with them outside of amusement factor."-Telarith★"This thread is a joke right? Please say yes."-eatwithspoons★ "This is why you don't post your opinions on the internet, most of the replies you get will be from people who missed a hug or two sometime in their youth."-Alacol★"Sexy! A post with a Binomial Distribution."-Asterelle★"It's about time PW starts to separate out the noob Sins from the rest."-salvati0n★"Shoo troll >:O"-TheDan0 -
Unfortunately KSing is largely a matter of opinion. Unless a person is intentionally trying to stop another player from killing the mobs they need, it is not harmful enough to warrant a report.
We do encourage our players to try to be courteous to each other, but in this instance it seems like you were just going about your business and it was an honest mistake. No harm no foul? There will always be an influx of these sorts of claims when new content is added, since everyone wants to try it out. b:victory
Click here to send a ticket to Customer Support * tumblr
* twitter.com/battleimmortals * FB * BoI MySpace * Blog0 -
Hmmm id say no you weren't ks'ing it's just there problem they should be faster.
If i was you i would of actually ks'd 2-3 times and said that is ks'ing so please be quiet and let me continue to do what im doingExecutor Of Reunited ~ Level 3 ~ Level 85+ ~ No Drama, No Pressure Faction.
Hunter_PT - Cleric 9X, (Active/Main)
PoisonedTip - Veno 7x (Retired)
Skeln - Barbarian 4X (Rarely-Active)
Hunter_The - BM 1X (Rarely-Active)0 -
DEc gimme back my burger i looked at it ..[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I want to go back to the time when innocence was Natural, getting high meant, on a swing. Drinking meant lemonade. Dad was the only Hero. Love was Mom's hug. Dad's shoulder was the highest place on earth. Worst enemies were siblings.
Hurts were Bleeding knees. Broken things were only Toys. Goodbyes meant only till tomorrow!
Life has changed a lot ....
Hasn't it .. ?? ..b:sad0 -
easy answer: KS = pk.
too bad for you if you're playing in PvE server with players have pk-disable then you cant do anything to them, then they'll start trash talking to you and you can only get pissed.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
^me
already quit pwi, and yet my gears are still superior than 95% of you people.0 -
I get angry when people attack a mob they clearly see me getting ready to attack. I use to be a veno and I'm not use to having to be close ranged to a mob so I normally leave an area with anyone who has a larger range attack than I have.
But you weren't really ksing them but if they were just sitting there for a few minutes and you decide to attack that mob they can't complain they should have attacked it when it spawned or paid attention to it. But if they were swimming towards it and there was no mob closer to them or they weren't raising or lowering in the water then I'd cancel my attack or look for another mob. It'd seem rude to me if I intentionally attack a mob I see a melee char go after a mob.
And being a sin is pricey, you need just as much SP and coin for lvl6x veno skills in low lvls. That's how I see it as imo, and we don't make a lot of money with how squishy we are. :S We're like squishy pure mag clerics fuzzed with pure dex archers. We hit hard but we can't take a beating.0 -
Maybe I'm just weird, but when I see someone trying to "ks" me. My first thought is to PM them and ask them if they'd like to squad with me.
90% of the time, they do so.IceJazmin - Heavens Tear - "I am happy to agree to disagree :P"
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
In other games I've played, it would be classified more as Camp Stealing than Kill Stealing. Provided you engaged the mob first (and you clearly did), then it's technically your mob and your kill, and the only person you could steal it from would be yourself.
On the other hand, it is rude to attack a mob that someone else clearly intends to engage -- and you acknowledged that you knew the other person was planning to do so.0 -
Yes, it's KS'ing.
Come on, have some manners If someones heading towards a mob with an intention to kill it, you shrug and move to the next. Firing first because you can and adding silly interpretations like "you didn't hit the mob, iz not ks" is simply being rude.
I'm not giving you sympathy, I don't have much respect for rudeness. What you should have said was.... "Oh sorry, accident" and both gone on your way.
Technically I could hop on a lv100 archer and one shot mobs just as a barb/bm runs over to them. He never gets a hit in, so it's perfectly legitimate non-ks, right? See my point. If you were the barb you'd be annoyed.0 -
That is NOT ks'ing. If they didn't engage the enemy, then it's not their enemy. Most times when this happens to me, I try to squad the person going after the same mobs as I am. If they refuse, then I feel that they are just being stubborn and are looking for a fight. Then there are times when you and someone else attack a mob at the same time. In that situation. I feel that whoever kills it the quickest deserves the kill. Of course this all goes with the other player being around the same level as you are. If you're in an area that has lvl 40 mobs, you're level 42, and a lvl 74 comes around killing everything in sight, then that would be ks'ing, because they would be like Spoons said, "A person who is intentionally trying to stop another player from killing the mobs they need."0
-
Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »I dont think its KSing
Its like hes saying
"Dont eat that hamburger, I looked at it so its mine"
Deceptipoo seems to be particularly fixated on burgers today b:chuckle
oh, i looked at it so ish mineElena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
Qui: b:dirty0 -
Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »Deceptipoo seems to be particularly fixated on burgers today b:chuckle
oh, i looked at it so ish mine
That's a nasty looking hamburger. b:spit0 -
Jennalicious - Sanctuary wrote: »That is NOT ks'ing. If they didn't engage the enemy, then it's not their enemy. Most times when this happens to me, I try to squad the person going after the same mobs as I am. If they refuse, then I feel that they are just being stubborn and are looking for a fight. Then there are times when you and someone else attack a mob at the same time. In that situation. I feel that whoever kills it the quickest deserves the kill. Of course this all goes with the other player being around the same level as you are. If you're in an area that has lvl 40 mobs, you're level 42, and a lvl 74 comes around killing everything in sight, then that would be ks'ing, because they would be like Spoons said, "A person who is intentionally trying to stop another player from killing the mobs they need."
Wrong, for all you know, this lvl 74 might be clearing old outstanding quests.
In PWI, whoever hits the mob first gets the kill. This is sad but true.
So, either move to a new spot, or just kill whatever you can.0 -
I say it isn't.... simply because they don't have to keep trying to attack monsters that you are obviously going to attack.... they can move a few meters away and kill their own mobs in their own area.... This also goes for you, if the other person was already there.Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »Wrong, for all you know, this lvl 74 might be clearing old outstanding quests.
In PWI, whoever hits the mob first gets the kill. This is sad but true.
So, either move to a new spot, or just kill whatever you can.
That is not true =P It's whoever does more than half the mobs life in damage.... or more damage in general.0 -
Not KSing IMO. However, I do admit that having a melee class as a main, and seeing my target being killed by a ranged gets on my nerves, especially in water/air where it just sucks being melee. BUT... they can't read my mind about ther target I wanna hit, so it's not like I complain about it. I just find other targets.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Due to constant PMs: I'm not German, sorry folks0 -
Jennalicious - Sanctuary wrote: »That's a nasty looking hamburger. b:spit
it does looks kind of small...notice the size of a potato chip next to it...
i believe this would be much more appropriate for a burger.
Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
Qui: b:dirty0 -
Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »it does looks kind of small...notice the size of a potato chip next to it...
i believe this would be much more appropriate for a burger.
I bet $50 that that guy is able to eat that entire burger. b:chuckleGiodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »
So, either move to a new spot, or just kill whatever you can.
That is such a wonderful attitude to have. That's like taking candy from a baby and saying that nothing is wrong with doing that because the baby should have held on tighter to it to prevent you from taking it.0 -
Kimbley - Harshlands wrote: »I say it isn't.... simply because they don't have to keep trying to attack monsters that you are obviously going to attack.... they can move a few meters away and kill their own mobs in their own area.... This also goes for you, if the other person was already there.
That is not true =P It's whoever does more than half the mobs life in damage.... or more damage in general.
Please clarify... 'Obviously going for..'
If I'm a ranged class, of course i would choose target not beside me and furthest away, the moment I spot one potential mob, I would start casting if it isn't 'whatever' resistant.
Since the 'green text' has lead me to this spot. I can stay at this spot to clear my quest too... or do we move to a new area whenever we see others at the spot?
I think it's fair to say every player has the right to be in that spot, to clear their quest. As long as they have the quest, it's perfectly legit.
PWI works in a way that range classes need to have range to kill, even if the mob is just a walk away from you. If I can shoot it first, I can get the kill.
KS-ing is hard to define as no one can read the person's mind, also not forgetting the fact that some people usually play in ctrl-f9 settings, which I do often. I cannot be blamed since you are not beside me.
If I see some flashes on the mob before I start casting/ shooting, then I will look at the hp bar and move to another target.
But whoever gets to the mob (full HP) first, has the right to kill it.
The way you are saying, is like the first player owns the killing spot even you have the quest for it and couldn't kill there.
That's the clear advantage of range classes.
As long as someone has the quest, no matter what level, he touches the mob first, he has got the right to kill it.
If it's just grinding for mats by a higher level, then that's a cause of irritation.0 -
_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »Yes, it's KS'ing.
1.Come on, have some manners If someones heading towards a mob with an intention to kill it, you shrug and move to the next. Firing first because you can and adding silly interpretations like "you didn't hit the mob, iz not ks" is simply being rude.
2.I'm not giving you sympathy, I don't have much respect for rudeness. What you should have said was.... "Oh sorry, accident" and both gone on your way.
3.Technically I could hop on a lv100 archer and one shot mobs just as a barb/bm runs over to them. He never gets a hit in, so it's perfectly legitimate non-ks, right? See my point. If you were the barb you'd be annoyed.
1. Well it's not like I was trying to stop them from getting kills, There wasn't many mobs in the area I was in, and there was 2 or 3 people there at the time. I was just trying to find something not being attacked
2. I wasn't trying to be rude, I just wanted to find a monster that wasn't being attacked, I told them I wasn't intending to ks. And from my understanding from other games I've played, is that if they haven't drawn aggro it's not ksing, i just assumed the same went for PWI as well
3. Yes that is technically ksing because your purposely trying to interfere with someone's questing, That one I do know.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
guess i'm not alone,
your case is strikingly similar to mine, maybe it had been done by the same person... just maybe lol
my post: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=5871510 -
Jennalicious - Sanctuary wrote: »That is such a wonderful attitude to have. That's like taking candy from a baby and saying that nothing is wrong with doing that because the baby should have held on tighter to it to prevent you from taking it.
As far as I can see, you have the quest, you can grind there for the required number of mobs your quest needs, even if you are a high level. THe high level is not doing anything wrong, for clearing outstanding quest.
What you are unhappy about is that the high level can kill faster than you, encroaches into your spot, and taking up the mobs that you need too.
There's nothing you can do and you know it as well as I do, so you called him KS-er. I'm sorry to say, the other high level is not doing anything wrong and neither is he ksing.
I have experienced this first hand while grinding on mobs. A higher lvl 64 veno, killed the same mobs for mats and called me greedy. She's killing 2 mobs at one goand is there anything I could do?
I told her I could give her the fruits I have gotten, but she got angry and challenged me to a duel, knowing full well she would win someone over 20 lvles lower.
Is she wilfully grieving me? There are mobs all around, but she just have to kill the ones around me and that carried on for a full hour. I gave up and went back to lofties.0 -
Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »Please clarify... 'Obviously going for..'
If I'm a ranged class, of course i would choose target not beside me and furthest away, the moment I spot one potential mob, I would start casting if it isn't 'whatever' resistant.
Since the 'green text' has lead me to this spot. I can stay at this spot to clear my quest too... or do we move to a new area whenever we see others at the spot?
I think it's fair to say every player has the right to be in that spot, to clear their quest. As long as they have the quest, it's perfectly legit.
PWI works in a way that range classes need to have range to kill, even if the mob is just a walk away from you. If I can shoot it first, I can get the kill.
KS-ing is hard to define as no one can read the person's mind, also not forgetting the fact that some people usually play in ctrl-f9 settings, which I do often. I cannot be blamed since you are not beside me.
If I see some flashes on the mob before I start casting/ shooting, then I will look at the hp bar and move to another target.
But whoever gets to the mob (full HP) first, has the right to kill it.
The way you are saying, is like the first player owns the killing spot even you have the quest for it and couldn't kill there.
That's the clear advantage of range classes.
As long as someone has the quest, no matter what level, he touches the mob first, he has got the right to kill it.
If it's just grinding for mats by a higher level, then that's a cause of irritation.
>_< I was not saying it's required... but it's polite and an easy fix... why would the person you are competing with(even if you can't see him) stay in the same area with you if you are obviously killing all the mobs around for your quests?
And also, just because you play in cnt f9 mode does not mean you can't just click the little button above your hp bar to see people.... Just because you don't see the people running as fast as they can to mobs doesn't mean that you aren't interrupting their gameplay, even if unintentional.Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »As far as I can see, you have the quest, you can grind there for the required number of mobs your quest needs, even if you are a high level. THe high level is not doing anything wrong, for clearing outstanding quest.
What you are unhappy about is that the high level can kill faster than you, encroaches into your spot, and taking up the mobs that you need too.
There's nothing you can do and you know it as well as I do, so you called him KS-er. I'm sorry to say, the other high level is not doing anything wrong and neither is he ksing.
I have experienced this first hand while grinding on mobs. A higher lvl 64 veno, killed the same mobs for mats and called me greedy. She's killing 2 mobs at one goand is there anything I could do?
I told her I could give her the fruits I have gotten, but she got angry and challenged me to a duel, knowing full well she would win someone over 20 lvles lower.
Is she wilfully grieving me? There are mobs all around, but she just have to kill the ones around me and that carried on for a full hour. I gave up and went back to lofties.
Yes, she technically is..... if a person runs up to you, and starts killing the mobs all around you that you need too, without a care about your needs, then that is grieffing, even if they need them as well.
And it's also common courtesy to not just run up and start killing everything like you're the only person in the game that matters.0 -
_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »Yes, it's KS'ing.
Come on, have some manners If someones heading towards a mob with an intention to kill it, you shrug and move to the next. Firing first because you can and adding silly interpretations like "you didn't hit the mob, iz not ks" is simply being rude.
I have to disagree with you. It's not "rude" to get the first hit on something that you had targeted. Doing so with the intention of preventing another player from killing a mob is a different story, but this is the war between all ranged and melee classes.
I'm not giving you sympathy, I don't have much respect for rudeness. What you should have said was.... "Oh sorry, accident" and both gone on your way.
Most players from my experience don't really just let it go at that. if they're going to get butt hurt about being "ks'd" they're going to hang onto it and even try and ks you back. It's nice when it's this simple, but more oten then not, this isn't the case.
Technically I could hop on a lv100 archer and one shot mobs just as a barb/bm runs over to them. He never gets a hit in, so it's perfectly legitimate non-ks, right? See my point. If you were the barb you'd be annoyed.
This example is ridiculous. If you did that, it is obviously with the intention of griefing the players around you, and griefing in this manner = ks'ing. While it's not ks'ing in once sense, it's most defiantly ks'ing in that other players don't even have a chance since you're trying to kill everything before they get near it.
Not to say you aren't entitled to you're opinion, but you're points are flawed for obvious and aforementioned reasons.0 -
Kimbley - Harshlands wrote: »>_< I was not saying it's required... but it's polite and an easy fix... why would the person you are competing with(even if you can't see him) stay in the same area with you if you are obviously killing all the mobs around for your quests?
And also, just because you play in cnt f9 mode does not mean you can't just click the little button above your hp bar to see people.... Just because you don't see the people running as fast as they can to mobs doesn't mean that you aren't interrupting their gameplay, even if unintentional.
Yes, she technically is..... if a person runs up to you, and starts killing the mobs all around you that you need too, without a care about your needs, then that is grieffing, even if they need them as well.
And it's also common courtesy to not just run up and start killing everything like you're the only person in the game that matters.
At times, even I know she's doing something obviously wrong, I can only rely on her own moral values to guide her.
Complaining her takes too much time and it's not even wrong that she's grinding on the mobs for mats. How do I prove that sh'es killing the mobs around me on purpose?
It's pointless to argue and just move on, it benefit me and leave her to do whatever she wanted.
When I'm grinding at 247 ms lag,I would do anything to minimize the additional lag on my display. Seriously, stopping to press the button is not efficient.
I will just look out for mobs disappearing and mobs attacking animation. If it happens, I move away.0 -
Murloc/ - Heavens Tear wrote: »Not to say you aren't entitled to you're opinion, but you're points are flawed for obvious and aforementioned reasons.
1. The intention is contentious and not easy to proof.
2. It's never easy to proof intent. To proof a crime, You need both Intent and action (as law dictates). If the lvl 100 archer is smart enough to pick up loot, he can just say he's grinding for mats, the drop rate for it is low and so he needs to kill alot for it.
There's always some smart person exploiting loopholes out there, just forget about them and move on. Even arguing with them is pointless. These people no longer have any moral values left, why bother?0 -
if someone kills a mob that you were trying to kill, FFS just say "squad for ___?" and ask to squad. they're not intentionally trying to grief you lol.
in the end does it matter that you started moving toward the mob before i started channeling on the mob? whether you're right or you're wrong the result is that you're fuming over a matter that can easily be mitigated if you just ask to squad. quit arguing about definition of KS and trying to patch up loop holes, everyone just be nice and squadElena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
Qui: b:dirty0 -
_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »Yes, it's KS'ing.
Come on, have some manners If someones heading towards a mob with an intention to kill it, you shrug and move to the next. Firing first because you can and adding silly interpretations like "you didn't hit the mob, iz not ks" is simply being rude.
I'm not giving you sympathy, I don't have much respect for rudeness. What you should have said was.... "Oh sorry, accident" and both gone on your way.
Technically I could hop on a lv100 archer and one shot mobs just as a barb/bm runs over to them. He never gets a hit in, so it's perfectly legitimate non-ks, right? See my point. If you were the barb you'd be annoyed.
I don't think it's KS. There are times when two people are going to decide on the same target and personally I think who ever hits it first gets it.
The one who doesn't just simply has to keep peace by finding another target rather then crying "you KSed me!".
Accidents happen and thoughts collide just got to move on.
I have it happen all the time, (yes, it annoys me but even I know that monster is fair game.
I have no claim on it just cause I was heading for it.
it doesn't have my name on it and I can find another one some where else).
If I decide on a target and someone else gets the first hit in before me ( and this happens with both melee and long range attackers ) I let them have it, if I hit it first then they just have to be polite and move on and find another monster.
And if they don't ask to be in your squad and they think you Ksed them they should handle what they think is KS by peacefully PMing you and asking about it.
But saying someone is KSing because you wanted that monster when you can just go find another one seems rude.
Also, to assume because shes long range that she was trying to KS him or keep him from monsters he need's because she's long rang and can do that is unfair and technically a stereo type of sorts by implying all long rangers KS. besides he can find another target too rather then later fighting over that "one" monster. His actions can be considered just as rude as you can stereo type her's to be. He hindered both his and her questing by stopping to stereo type her as a Kser because's she's long range.
I try to stay out of people's way but if we choose the same monster as our target I will usually let them have it. But, if I already started attacking or are closer to it I go on with my business. I see someone starting to attack something ( and by start attacking, I don't mean running to it I mean actually starting an attack. Though I will sometimes let someone I see running have it too but I'm an overly polite person meaning: polite beyond what is actually necessary ) I wanted I don't fight over the monster I let them have it.
Also, since I rarely want to squad with other people I go for either a certain area or a certain monster (if its one that has a quick respawn) and stay there. But, if someone comes to that area to kill I kill a smaller range of monsters in that area or if they attack a monster that I wait to respawn to kill. I find a non attacked monster kill it wait for it to come back then kill it again and again till someone starts taking it, then switch targets again and let them have it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
see i dont see that as ksing depending on exactly how far away from the mob the other char was like im not gonna not atk a mob cuz a melee class is comeing from across the map if im in range and the person is going for the same mob but not close enough im gonna atk but what i will do is send them a squad invite so i dont get acussed of ksing later but if they dont take the invite sucks to be them i tried to be nice[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
-
Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »I liked spoons's answer.
Yes, his answer was the best one.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I hate to say it but thats not ks. As much as i understand the melee class and how they feel about ranged killing everything around them. If the melee did not dmg the mob, then i suppose that mob is up for anyone. It i end up hitting a mob at nearly the same time as someone, i usualy just move on the next one and be nice. If i see the person having trouble or can telll they are questing i'll ask for a squad, but otherwise i'll keep moving down the feild untill i find a nice spot for myself. No need to fight over a mob when you dont have to, its silly.... theres plenty of fish in the sea. ^^Q - How to win on Perfect World?
A - Throw money at it.0
Categories
- All Categories
- 181.9K PWI
- 699 Official Announcements
- 2 Rules of Conduct
- 264 Cabbage Patch Notes
- 61.1K General Discussion
- 1.5K Quality Corner
- 11.1K Suggestion Box
- 77.4K Archosaur City
- 3.5K Cash Shop Huddle
- 14.3K Server Symposium
- 18.1K Dungeons & Tactics
- 2K The Crafting Nook
- 4.9K Guild Banter
- 6.6K The Trading Post
- 28K Class Discussion
- 1.9K Arigora Colosseum
- 78 TW & Cross Server Battles
- 337 Nation Wars
- 8.2K Off-Topic Discussion
- 3.7K The Fanatics Forum
- 207 Screenshots and Videos
- 22.8K Support Desk