Charm Tick....

(insert trolling and flaming skills here)

Heh. My charm is my responsibility. I get annoyed when it ticks, sure, but if it's ticking, it's because some genius (me b:surrender ) was taking on more than she could, wasn't keeping tank pet alive or in the aggro, or was putting off the pots a little too late.

The thing that annoys me most about charms is that I can't use a MP-sucking skill without setting off my charm. Usually I'm not in any trouble when I'm taming or reviving, so that, to me, is the only "waste" there is of charm.

Yukkuri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

b:sad

Needless to say, anyone who complains about charm ticking will be treated specially by me. I mean, it's the charm's job to tick after usage.
I really don't have anything else to add. I just like merry times with my squads. b:cute

Then it makes you an exception b:victory And Ill PM you when i need a barb that doesnt suffer from the "syndrome" b:thanks

If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Make a DD class. Or better yet, make a cleric so you see it from the others point of view.

If its only about saving your life and not loosing XP they also have guardian angels to solve that problem. Keep a few angels in storage to take along for dungeon run insurance. If healer gets lazy now and lets you die while fighting boss he/she will be next to die.

I simply appreciate any cleric that is in our group who does the job they are there for. Provided that is what they do. If they are there to heal, they heal. There to tank, they tank.

If my charm ticks, oh well. That is part of the game. It would tick a lot more without a cleric in the squad. It's also my choice to be wearing the charm. They didn't make me buy it and put it on. I also have the option to heal myself via skills or potions. I never rely completely on the cleric to heal me. Nothing at all against clerics, one simply doesn't know when they might get lag, dc'd, or simply need a moment to recharge a skill or heal mana. I always carry a large amount of potion, multiflavors, or even crab meat and various other apothecary pills (dmg reduction, instant heals, etc). [omg!!! I'm a pill popper!! lmao!]

Clerics also get charm ticks from healing their squad. Getting mad at them if your hp charm ticks is just plain hypocritical.

I've been in squads with clerics who thought their job was to DD instead of heal and said (and I quote the one that stands out the most to me): "u guyz lookd lik u wer doin ok" b:cry I left that squad right after that. Sometimes I think that some of the better clerics should get together and start giving "classes" to these others. b:laugh Of course there probably should be a group for each class to do that lol

Out of all the times I tanked on my barb, of course my hp charm got hit, sometimes quite a few times in 1 fight. If I did complain about it, it was as a joke. It's there to get used, so if it does, it does.

One time though the cleric did tend to not even bother to heal me much so my charm got it a lot. Then I had a legitament complaint although I didn't say much.

Everyone in the party must work together to try to stop any charms from getting used but when it comes down to it, it WILL happen, so don't complain, just deal with it or do not ever equip one.

I agree with most of the points made. You buy the charm you are responsible for it. Clerics are great to have around if they can stop my Hp charm from ticking thats great. But I also make sure I have enough pots or potions from the apo to keep going just incase something happens to the cleric or they can't heal me in time.

But lets not forget that there are healing spells on some of the classes that help out as well. Venos have a healing spell that they can caste on themselves and wizards not only can heal themselves they can heal others. And lets not forget those wonderful genies that have second wind on them. This of course does not mean clerics can be replaced. Im just saying they deserve a little more respect then what they get.

If your charm ticks thats your own problem. Learn to use your skills and pots.

As a blade and barb, I assume it is only fair if my HP charm ticks about as often as the cleric's MP charm. I did not know clerics had to go broke buying charms so that the rest of the party can get a free ride and not have to use Healing Pots or have their charms tick. I am happy if no squishies get killed and the cliric keeps me standing upright. When the instance is over and no one died, everyone is happy. The charm can tick now and then, no biggy. Usually, it is because someone else is in more danger of getting killed than me and the cleric keeps THEM standing upright before getting back to me.
I even am happy when I am only 3/4 healed and go running off to kill the next bunch of mobs. Most clerics stop healing me rather than chase after me, only healing again after the rest of the group catches up. No big thing. I like getting the instance over with now, not an hour from now. If I was a slower, more sedate (and less psycho) player my charm would tick less often but it wuld take longer to get anything done--including leveling.

When running the barb though, I do check to make sure the rest of teh party is ready before running off. If the barb dies, parties can get wiped. Any one else but the cleric can run off like a psycho, get killed, and the party lives.

It kills me when people whine about charm ticks, especially stupid people...which usually are the ones whining. They try to argue,'i spent all this money/coin on a charm and now it ticks wahwahblahblah ect.', but no. You bought the charm so you won't be shaking hands with death should your hp drop below 50%, and guess what happens when you get that low...wait for it...THE CHARM TICKS! OMG NO WAI!

Having played a wide range of Mmo's, always in the role of the tank or a dps, I can say that in any party/dungeon/raid/whatever you wanna call it scenario, the healers job is always the same: heal, the, tank. Tank stays healthy, mob aggro doesn't go nuts and wipe the rest of the group, everyone is happy. I've never played a healer but you don't need to play a healer, to know they're focus is on the guy who is keeping the mob from chewing them up to bits. Checking on the rest of the party and keeping them up is a secondary measure.

For people too worried about letting their charm do it's job, here is what you need to do. Step 1: farm & make or buy health pots, by the hundreds. This one is pretty obvious. Step 2: as another poster said, make use of your class/genie's skill(s) for quick self heals. If your class doesn't have one, teach your genie the heal, and if you don't want to...see step 3 ->. Step 3: if you are A) the tank. Well this spot I have to say your charm shouldn't tick, but it does happen here and there. Bring pots, or check your gear, perhaps it's a bit too low grade for the content you're running or if you're a dps/dd/damager whatever you wanna call it role, it's YOUR responsibility to assist the tank and attack the target he/she is attacking, it is YOUR responsibility to make sure you don't over aggro, and understand you will suffer the consequences if you do so, and it is YOUR responsibility to understand that you are not 'leet' and the cleric should spam heal you, not the tank, when you rush into 5+ elites and think you can aoe them down...in other words don't be an idiot or deal with the charm tick. Last step, #4: don't wear one! That's right. Don't wanna see it tick? Buy some ga's instead so when you die, you won't lose xp, and then you can't complain about 'wasting' your charm.
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ok i got to page 6 and got bored reading the same thing over and over.. i was looking for the pnt of say 3-3/nv with all 100+aps dds minus barb. Ok so your dd goes in charmed but because we are average geared aps, barb can spam ream all day and agro sitll bounces around- have any of you that **** about the charms every considered the fact you tick before i can even change targets? not that i didnt see, not that i didnt care, just humanly cant move that fast. I see it alot in random nv squads. Personally would rather you run uncharmed for the simple fact of i havent had anyone die other than to their own stupidity in ages, i can easily save your life but your charm.... once again dont wear it if you cant handle the agro change tick (*cough* sins/badly geared aps bms*). Now heres another one frosting about a month ago for 101 i had a sin that swore up and down he was tcking (8khp sin ticking orrlly?). his hp asnt moving etc.. but yet i get these demands : heal me heal me heal me heal me heal me. (ok dude your hps not moving and someone elses is.. ) eventually i told him if he sucked so bad he was autoticking (agros clearing mostly on someone else) perhaps you should upgrade because I cant see any logical reason to waste heals on hp that i havent seen move once. I think in my noob opinion he was just being an *** because he could be.

As far as eps with charms only time i wear one is if im planning on going on a pk binge. Other wise i never have problems keeping up with my own heals/mp pots.

I look at it the same way others do. If your stupid you die unless I can REASONABLY save you. I have no problems with barbs not tanking, in most 100+ cases they arnt going to be so just devour imop less agro change =more prevention of charm tickage. I have been the ep to tell warn ppl if they make demands/yell you've pissed off the wrong person. I love to heal its my job, if i can debuff and throw a random tempest in sure if not im healing, so you get the heals you get and gtfo otherwise-usually try real hard though to you **** me off then boy that one charm tick might end up being 50 before your done, because really i dont need the ppl like that to make things work. There are plenty of other appreicative dd out there.

I am well known for saying *BITE ME*.

Why people rage when their charms tick:

Said people may have come across those really bad clerics that tend to not heal as efficiently as they are supposed to (as in, enough to cause a charm to not tick). I have seen 20k+ HP barbs' charms tick because the cleric in the squad wanted to DD rather than do their job. Those rants and rages are understandable.

Why some clerics 'let' your charm tick:

1) Charmed rager is being a jerk and let's face it, from what I've read, clerics seem to take a lot of verbal abuse. If I was on the receiving end, I couldn't help but let you actually use your charm for what it was for until you either wasted your time to kick me and replace me or just flat out leave the squad.

2) Rager ran way ahead of said cleric. Not everyone wants Holy Path on their genie and might find another skill more useful than running at 15m/s for a few seconds. They assume everyone has the same genies and the same skills.

3) Other stuff. This can be things like lag, blood paint, aggro hopping, etc. The other day in Nirvana, NO ONE'S HP MOVED and there was no veno in our squad. After 15+ seconds of this, I finally asked who was tanking and no one knew (LOL)! It wasn't until someone said "it's probably ___, he/she has higher damage/ APS than the rest of us, so heal them." Literally, a second later, their HP moved a tiny bit.

I blame stupidity and lack of communication as the leading factors of players yelling at clerics.