Which is most overprices skill on your server?

From my understanding, on DW no one's seen a Sage Wood Mastery for Mystics...ever. Judging by that, pretty sure that'd go for a pretty penny despite the fact that masteries only add crit/extra damage.

The most expensive book I've seen was demon HF. a few months ago I saw it go for 70 mil. Recently I ran into a sin book (can't remember which) for something like 50 mil. Quite demoralizing when you're trying to level a sin, ya know? b:shocked

In RT prbly Demon HF and that Sage Blades or w.e Mastery for Seekers you get from OBPs. Seen them both go for 80-95m

On DW, Demon HF is around 80-90m, and Pages of Fate is around 500k.
I dont think its overpriced at all, try make it yourself and you might just end up spending alot more.

XLeeu - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This is not a class specific thread -

I would just like to know from you: Which skillbook on your server do you think is the MOST overpriced?

State the skill name, the class it is for, the current average cost, and why do you think it is overpriced?

In my opinion ON HEAVENS TEAR

- Demon Heavens Flame

LvL 10 HF does 100% damage over 6 seconds with aditional 4135 damage
Demon HF does 100% damage over 9 secconds with aditional 5975 damage

- Going for between 105mil - 125mil coins
- I feel this skill is overpriced MAINLY due to the fact that you pay 100+mil coin for 3 aditional seconds of damage and a extra 1840 damage of the skill itself.....
WOW - 100+mil coins for 3 extra seconds..... really ..... REALLY ? b:shocked

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I just bought demon HF on HT for 120m lol, no biggie for 5.0 +10 right? That\s why if you notice you if you have Demon HF and crappy +10 claws like Deicide you will still get into 2-3 mans squads. While with the amount of sins runnin, they need G16/G15/R9 for 2/3man.

I've never seen it selling, but my guess would be ~50 million. Sage version, which is better than demon, still has a worse debuff than devour (45% x 50%). Demon version's reduced chi comsumption, but not enough to make it worth more than that. People get it mostly for completion.

It's like lvl 11 guardian's seal for clerics (mostly sage g. seal). It's cool to have a heal that doesn't aggro, and it's an incredibly rare skill (just like Penetrate Armor), but sells for ~50mil.
Then again, some people keep on making OBP books after they get their Guardian's Seal to get Razor Feather's if they don't have it already, so maybe Guardian's Seal is a bit more common, and hence cheaper than Penetrate Armor. I doubt it would reach the 80mil coins, though.

If I base on usefullness/cost, the mose overpriced skill I saw was demon penetrate armor (barb) for 135mil. The skill is pretty rare, but not really that good and used. Sage penetrate goes in the same zone, but I'd qualify it as more usefull and thus less "overpriced" then the demon version. Sage and demon penetrate, if found, both go for ridiculous prices though.

In general, I find the (popular) 2 spark skills overpriced. I got a lot of wanted "rare" skills on my toons, sage penetrate armor, sage subsea, demon hf, demon ms, sage vortex, ... All those skills I rolled with pages for less then they cost in ah/shops. Personally, I find any skill over 50mil overpriced and those in the 20~50 mil range I'd only consider buying if it was the last skill needed from those pages.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Sage/Demon cleric rez. I don't care that it's less the cost than Demon HF. At least the BM gets some use out of that skill. How much exp someone else loses is of no real use to the cleric. I have Sage Rez because of the extra range, got a good deal on it, etc. But still, it's a pretty common skill book. It shouldn't be so expensive. Especially since it's of no real value to the person buying it. b:lipcurl

It makes me give you hugs. Isn't that of value? b:sad

It's most likely always gonna be demon HF.

I just bought demon HF on HT for 120m lol

You wasted between 20-30m then. Just don't buy at top dollar, HF will go for 90-100 if you're patient and wait for the flood of people trying to sell them for profit.

People will gamble PoF books to try for Demon HF to make money - because statistically its better than packs. It's why there is always a ton of the other books in the AH.

People will pay 90m+ for Demon HF because it is the overall strongest skill BMs have, regardless of Culti. This is a great AOE aggro puller and allows 3 more seconds of amp, or at least more time for mistimed coordination.

People will pay 90m+ because lots, and lots of farmers are dumb and think it makes more of a difference than say, +10 vs +5. It does help finish off some bosses faster, but by no means increases your efficiency in small groups as much as +10-+12 will.

People will pay 90m+ because statistically...thats cheaper than gambling on the PoF books.

But the bottom line is: obtainability, usefulness, and demand.

(Mind you, everything I say here is typical-ish for HT having been in the skill market for a long time. Skill book prices change a lot depending on demand and supply.)

Examples:
Sage Sword Mastery & Vortex: 30-60m each. Demon Sword Mastery & Vortex: 20-40m each. Both are just as difficult to obtain (Sword Mastery moreso, its cursed), there is a low overall demand for them because there aren't many Seekers, and more Seekers go sage. I've seen 80-100 for the Sage versions before, but not too much lately.

Demon Fist Mastery: Same difficulty as all the other non-EG masteries to obtain. Because it is perceived as more useful and there is a higher demand, its more pricey. It goes for 40m+ as opposed to the others that go for 500k-10m.

Classes more often played will have higher skill prices (Sins, BMs). Usefulness, power, and difficulty to obtain will change this price as well.

Think about the price of Subsea (either culti), Bloodpaint (Sage vs Demon), and Dagger Devotion (either culti).

Subsea is a tricky one. There's more demand for Demon, but because sage is perceived as more worthwhile, the price evens out.

Demon Bloodpaint is worthless because it does nothing. Sage bloodpaint on the other hand will go for 20-50m depending on the week because its uber awesome.

Dagger Devotion, demon goes higher due to the greater demand.

Another monetary example was me hooking up a friend with her sage veno skills.

The bulk of the ones she wanted/needed were in mysterious page packs (so are clerics...hint hint).

It was about 100m to get 20 random books.
It was about 120m-140m to get the skills she wanted that come out of said random skill books (I watched the AH for two weeks hoping for deals and availability).

I bought the 20 random books. Although I didn't get statistically perfect, I got every skill she wanted, plus a ton more I could sell. Technically, I pulled almost 150m worth of skill books out of those 20 randoms for 100m. Mostly, Sage Veno skills are in demand so they sell well, and fast.

Had I pulled multiple Amps and and Purges, I would have pulled over 200m easy. Amp is 40-60, Bramble is 20-30, and Purge is 10-15 - the damage skills are easily 3-7m a pop, Fox skills like 3m max, Wood Mastery being like 5-10, and Melee mastery 500k.

On the other hand, I gambled 5 Demon Barb POF books. I got 3 sunders, Arma, and SoT. I did not get Frighten (and I'm still looking). Of the two sunders Ive been trying to sell for almost two months, one has sold at 20m. Reason? Not a lot of Demon Barbs. Plus, its an expensive skill - but a worthwhile one, because of the Sunder-Arma crit combo. However it seems not many know this and perceive the value correctly, so its gonna take a while.


So it's a matter of luck and playing the statistical lotto.

Most skills that only only exclusive from Old Book Pages go absurdly high.

Sage/Demon Razor Feather? Sure for 70 mill.

Sage/Demon Penetrate Armor? Sure for 80 mill.

b:cry

truekossy wrote: »

Shhh! People aren't supposed to know you actually get them for free. b:avoid

You never give me any. b:sad

truekossy wrote: »

You've never asked. b:sad

I definitely have!

augustfinknottle wrote: »

It's like lvl 11 guardian's seal for clerics (mostly sage g. seal). It's cool to have a heal that doesn't aggro, and it's an incredibly rare skill (just like Penetrate Armor), but sells for ~50mil.
Then again, some people keep on making OBP books after they get their Guardian's Seal to get Razor Feather's if they don't have it already, so maybe Guardian's Seal is a bit more common, and hence cheaper than Penetrate Armor. I doubt it would reach the 80mil coins, though.

Sage Guardian's Seal took a big price jump when Morai came out. Supposedly it's the only healing skill that a cleric can use while in Violet Dance. I haven't been able to afford it so I haven't verified it.

The most expensive book i ever saw in AH was Demon Diamond Sutra for 200mil. Was the only time i ever saw that skill.

Some skills u never come across in ah and when they are they are ridicuously high in price.

The more "common" skills that are expensive on hl are:

Sage bs mastery for seeker that go for at least 100 mil
and Demon HF that usually goes for 80 mil + (i got mine for 35 mil 1 1/2 years ago though )

I bought Sage Razor Feathers on Sanctuary for 5 million.

That aside, I have to agree that Sage/Demon Res are ridiculously high. Considering the skills don't even benefit any Cleric, you'd think that those who *do* benefit from them would want as many clerics as possible to have them. I'm not saying to throw them out for 1 million/book, but 20-30 million are just bad. I can understand any Cleric who isn't willing to throw out that kind of coin for something that benefits only others, not themselves.

I hold that opinion over pretty much all book skills, actually. If your squad members have all the best possible skills, it means faster, better, safer squads. I do get that people want to make a profit, and that there is an element of elitism involved - "I have demon HF/whatever, and YOU don't, nyah!" - but to me it's a bit of anti-logic.

CapnK - Sanctuary wrote: »

Diamond Sutra is actually the rarest skill in the game. End result of BMs having so many more skills than other classes.

http://pw.solandri.com/skills.html#cBMa

Awesome link , but sadly diamond sutra is hard to sell compared to hf. Most bms troll around with 2~10m offers, most don't understand the usefullness of the skill. Very few would even use this i guess. It took me 4 months to trade mine away for something decent.