Assassin 90+ - Countertactics
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Lusca - Sanctuary wrote: »1. you said what if a sin surprises you can you don't have any chi, why wouldn't you have any chi?
2. undine before SW then ulti
3. tick the charm then SW > ulti > gush
our 400% damage skill has NO static add on damage, level 11 BIDS has +14k static damage ON TOP of it's 500% weapon damage
i'm compared a sin to an archer because we use the same build, same armor so we have about the same hp and magic defense
4. yeap sins can really do a lot in the half a second between sleep ending and getting hit by an ulti
5. were on earth did i mention you should rely on evasion as a wizard?
6. i never said archers are harder to kill than assassins?
Sins may be hard to beat yes, but they aren't OP atm and don't need a nerf lol
have to wait and see what 79 skills we get lol
1. i dont ahve same amount of skill what give chi?
2.udine ahve casting time too, not instant b:surrender
3. gus no deadly, hiero ticking not only 20% come back.
and for ulti need sparks and slwo casting so its normal,for u have more skill what have chi cost and u got chi gainer too what is awasome good.
again archer dont have chance for avoid any dmg with buff.
4.sometimes cause lagg u have enough time for deepsting because +sleep interupted a bit faster than u get the dmg.
5. i meant mg have 300 dodge too what is max 1-2$ chance to miss or less.
6.then why u compare with arcger if i never said archer is hard? XD0 -
Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »3. gus no deadly, hiero ticking not only 20% come back.
He said tick the charm then SW ulti and gush.... So SW they're asleep... do your ulti, their deaden nerve ticks and they're at 20%... then use gush to finish them.4x sin - Sacronox
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Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »1. i dont ahve same amount of skill what give chi?
2.udine ahve casting time too, not instant b:surrender
3. gus no deadly, hiero ticking not only 20% come back.
and for ulti need sparks and slwo casting so its normal,for u have more skill what have chi cost and u got chi gainer too what is awasome good.
again archer dont have chance for avoid any dmg with buff.
4.sometimes cause lagg u have enough time for deepsting because +sleep interupted a bit faster than u get the dmg.
5. i meant mg have 300 dodge too what is max 1-2$ chance to miss or less.
6.then why u compare with arcger if i never said archer is hard? XD
1. hey here's a shock, you can spam morning dew while in a safe zone so you have full chi before you go out near pk'ers
2. i didn't say it was instant did i?
3. you tick there charm THEN you SW > ulti > gush
x.x i know archers don't have the same buff but i was using them as an example so you know how much hp a sin will have
4. get a better comp if you lag so bad then x.x
if you shrink away before SW a sin has to tele before or fly up to you in the half a second it takes for sleep to end and the ulti to hit
it takes more than half a second to tele then deepsting
5. i NEVER said a wizard should rely on dodge
6. BECAUSE ARCHERS HAVE ABOUT THE SAME HP AS A SIN
it's not that hard to understand x.x0 -
Sacronox - Harshlands wrote: »He said tick the charm then SW ulti and gush.... So SW they're asleep... do your ulti, their deaden nerve ticks and they're at 20%... then use gush to finish them.
how i can tick the charm? i dont have time, if i use sleep then sleep will be on cooldown in next 2min what is alot :P
dont stay nobody there and let hit them with using the skill interupt arsenals ....
1. i talk about in general and in general i cant know if i will be backstabbed by sin/ or in tw no time for chi etc etc ahvae alot situation when u cant gain chi because no time for that or attack was surprise.
2. if no instant then i can get stun or anything between udine and casting another skill, like already said SW ahve 2min cooldown.
3. u can explain how can i do that? when i am backstabbed then most of time i could get instantly stuns and fast attack so i die faster (if i dont got good refine eq) before i got time for seal/silence because u dont got alot time for stun duration and etc but when somebody backstabb me with 3rd spark he dont need too much time too for killing me.
4. new pc when i lagging? i dont said its grpahic lagg lol
5.u not but comparsion was between wizz and sin. i just noticed wizzin defensive side got pretty low dodge/hp and similiar pdef and they are not hard to kill if they dont full buffed wuth 30att lv and etc.
6. ea+20% hp for me seems is more andother way ok if hp same but skill increase alot on chance who survive it. 25% chance to get 1 dmg is kinda +25% hp, 2nd chance its kind +20% hp for 1x.0 -
Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »how i can tick the charm ?i dont have time, if i use sleep then sleep will be on cooldown in next 2min what is alot :P
dont stay nobody there and let hit them with using the skill interupt arsenals ....
FoW > sandstorm > blink > SW > ulti > gush0 -
Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »how i can tick the charm ?i dont have time, if i use sleep then sleep will be on cooldown in next 2min what is alot :P
dont stay nobody there and let hit them with using the skill interupt arsenals ....
You.... you hit them? Use force of will to silence them and then pew pew a bit... the enact Lusca's strategy =P
Q_Q me and lusca think alike =P0 -
Kimbley - Harshlands wrote: »You.... you hit them? Use force of will to silence them and then pew pew a bit... the enact Lusca's strategy =P
Q_Q me and lusca think alike =P
its obvisoly when i backstabbing and not i was backstabbed
in ea and assassin something same, they kill fast or get killed fast(every second count).0 -
Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »its obvisoly when i backstabbing and not i was backstabbed
in ea and assassin something same, they kill fast or get killed fast(every second count).
That's where i would say you would need a good genie to help you survive those moments. And apot pots.0 -
Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »how i can tick the charm? i dont have time, if i use sleep then sleep will be on cooldown in next 2min what is alot :P
dont stay nobody there and let hit them with using the skill interupt arsenals ....
1. i talk about in general and in general i cant know if i will be backstabbed by sin/ or in tw no time for chi etc etc ahvae alot situation when u cant gain chi because no time for that or attack was surprise.
2. if no instant then i can get stun or anything between udine and casting another skill, like already said SW ahve 2min cooldown.
3. u can explain how can i do that? when i am backstabbed then most of time i could get instantly stuns and fast attack so i die faster (if i dont got good refine eq) before i got time for seal/silence because u dont got alot time for stun duration and etc but when somebody backstabb me with 3rd spark he dont need too much time too for killing me.
4. new pc when i lagging? i dont said its grpahic lagg lol
5.u not but comparsion was between wizz and sin. i just noticed wizzin defensive side got pretty low dodge/hp and similiar pdef and they are not hard to kill if they dont full buffed wuth 30att lv and etc.
6. ea+20% hp for me seems is more andother way ok if hp same but skill increase alot on chance who survive it. 25% chance to get 1 dmg is kinda +25% hp, 2nd chance its kind +20% hp for 1x.
1. in general, you can run around with full chi
in TW you use spark pots, or run away till a faction member slaps the sin for you
or you could just try killing them without an ulti lol
harder but not impossible
2. were have i said to use SW twice??
and undine casts as fast as gush, shadow teleport has a 180 second cool down
and headhunt requires 2 sparks and only has a 4.5 meter range, and if they use headhunt to start, what are they going to use to bypass your charm?
3. apoth pots/genies
blink as soon as your unstunned
4. get a better graphics card then x.x?
5. you can't dodge magic so a sins evasion doesn't matter vs a wizard
sins only have there armor for p. defense, maybe an ornament or two
while arcane armor has less p. def wizzies shard there armor with p. def, have p. def ornaments and have at least +100% physical defense from stone barrier
6. x.x. . .
there are ways around deaden nerves and the 25% chance to turn damage to 1 is a pain yes but more often than not your ultis will hit and do damage than they are to hit 1
sins aren't OP and don't need a nerf just because some wizards might have a hard time killing them lolShadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »its obvisoly when i backstabbing and not i was backstabbed
apoth pots/genie skills
or even blink > FoW > sandstorm > SW > ulti > gush0 -
Lusca - Sanctuary wrote: »1. in general, you can run around with full chi
in TW you use spark pots, or run away till a faction member slaps the sin for you
or you could just try killing them without an ulti lol
harder but not impossible
2. were have i said to use SW twice??
and undine casts as fast as gush, shadow teleport has a 180 second cool down
and headhunt requires 2 sparks and only has a 4.5 meter range, and if they use headhunt to start, what are they going to use to bypass your charm?
3. apoth pots/genies
blink as soon as your unstunned
4. get a better graphics card then x.x?
5. you can't dodge magic so a sins evasion doesn't matter vs a wizard
sins only have there armor for p. defense, maybe an ornament or two
while arcane armor has less p. def wizzies shard there armor with p. def, have p. def ornaments and have at least +100% physical defense from stone barrier
6. x.x. . .
there are ways around deaden nerves and the 25% chance to turn damage to 1 is a pain yes but more often than not your ultis will hit and do damage than they are to hit 1
sins aren't OP and don't need a nerf just because some wizards might have a hard time killing them lol
apoth pots/genie skills
or even blink > FoW > sandstorm > SW > ulti > gush
1. nice i am forced to use potion until my enemy get instantly XD (ok the true in tw,there everybody killable without problem if u are not in enemy target b:chuckle)
2.if i am unbuffed i think its bypass my charm with spark and genie and u got more sutn thing, in sin case i dont go pk(or if was backstabbed then i use fast the stealth and rprepare) without full chi and useable chi skill(when cooldown is done).
i must ~spam the teleport and i am forced to use genie for stop u else i die really fast before i can tp XD
3.nice to know agaist another light armor cast i am forced to use genie else i fail XD
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ots mean since i got ~ good internet but idk why in every server i got minimum 0,5sec delay and its isnt graphic lagg else i lagg only in west adc and in tw (where i really lagging) but delay is everywhere, i am the only with this?4. new pc when i lagging? i dont said its graphic lagg lol
example, i play same time with pc and laptp and i see around1 sec delay when i watch my another character, or in digging, i arrive same time but another player can dig faster, or in pve, the archer mobs still hit me after they died. impossible a 256 vga not enough where dont have player only me.
5 i am often use ice/water shield/barrier if i dont dont plan pk (if i am backstabbed example during grind), its ok in tw but anyway +100% eqpdef still only few %pdef absorb what easily reduce with genie.
6. tell this to my ea who get 1 hit on tw few times from similiar lv wizzy or barb with gx.
i am not nerfed. sin not op but +1 char who easier beat a wizz :P (like another 7 only not everybody that easier or fast XD), i just like the similiar discusion, maybe u think i am problem maker with allways reply but the true i get few ideea after this discusions so the similiar discuiosn pretty usefull
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Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »1. nice i am forced to use potion until my enemy get instantly XD (ok the true in tw,there everybody killable without problem if u are not in enemy target b:chuckle)
2.if i am unbuffed i think its bypass my charm with spark and genie and u got more sutn thing, in sin case i dont go pk(or if was backstabbed then i use fast the stealth and rprepare) without full chi and useable chi skill(when cooldown is done).
i must ~spam the teleport and i am forced to use genie for stop u else i die really fast before i can tp XD
3.nice to know agaist another light armor cast i am forced to use genie else i fail XD
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ots mean since i got ~ good internet but idk why in every server i got minimum 0,5sec delay and its isnt graphic lagg else i lagg only in west adc and in tw (where i really lagging) but delay is everywhere, i am the only with this?
example, i play same time with pc and laptp and i see around1 sec delay when i watch my another character, or in digging, i arrive same time but another player can dig faster, or in pve, the archer mobs still hit me after they died. impossible a 256 vga not enough where dont have player only me.
5 i am often use ice/water shield/barrier if i dont dont plan pk (if i am backstabbed example during grind), its ok in tw but anyway +100% eqpdef still only few %pdef absorb what easily reduce with genie.
6. tell this to my ea who get 1 hit on tw few times from similiar lv wizzy or barb with gx.
i am not nerfed. sin not op but +1 char who easier beat a wizz :P (like another 7 only not everybody that easier or fast XD), i just like the similiar discusion, maybe u think i am problem maker with allways reply but the true i get few ideea after this discusions so the similiar discuiosn pretty usefull
1. Q.Q get over it, not like mana pots cost that much ,you even get them from killing mobs
2. yes our other stun is a whole 3 seconds with a 180 second cool down
3. Q.Q
4. again half a second isn't enough for a sin to interupt
5. if your on a pvp server, grind with earth barrier, if your using water then your not going to be trying very hard to kill a sin and you can just let the sin kill you go to town then fly back and go back to questing
6. ok i should tell archers that a wizard can work around a sins deaden nerves?
i didn't say wizards are nerfed i said i'm sick of people who think sins are OP and that sins need a nerf0 -
Lusca - Sanctuary wrote: »1. Q.Q get over it, not like mana pots cost that much ,you even get them from killing mobs
2. yes our other stun is a whole 3 seconds with a 180 second cool down
3. Q.Q
4. again half a second isn't enough for a sin to interupt
5. if your on a pvp server, grind with earth barrier, if your using water then your not going to be trying very hard to kill a sin and you can just let the sin kill you go to town then fly back and go back to questing
6. ok i should tell archers that a wizard can work around a sins deaden nerves?
i didn't say wizards are nerfed i said i'm sick of people who think sins are OP and that sins need a nerf
2.4.
Deep Sting (that interupt the skill)
Throatcut
Headhunt (with chi gainer)
Knife Throw
Shadow Teleport
Shadow Jump
vs
Sleep
TP
Seal
Stun (MS)
, u fot less duration and more skill,we got slow casting and longer skill,thats all (exclude sleep)
i am not sure sin is op and i could use occult ice b:pleased (and yes i still grind with watershield but i allways got full chi with archer and wizz during daily flying quest but alot ppl not, this is why i dont got problem in backstabb during flying XD)0 -
Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »2.4.
Deep Sting (that interupt the skill)
Throatcut
Headhunt (with chi gainer)
Knife Throw
Shadow Teleport
Shadow Jump
vs
Sleep
TP
Seal
Stun (MS)
, u fot less duration and more skill,we got slow casting and longer skill,thats all (exclude sleep)
i am not sure sin is op and i could use occult ice b:pleased
wizards have better damaging skills, what you want just as many seal/stun/immobilize skills as a sin AND more damage?0 -
Lusca - Sanctuary wrote: »wizards have better damaging skills, what you want just as many seal/stun/immobilize skills as a sin AND more damage?
wizzard have more damage / hit not in time so this question is depend u can reach me or no and sin not the worst char in reaching target :P
(u forget i want more defensive skill toob:surrenderb:shutup)0 -
Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »wizzard have more damage / hit not in time so this question is depend u can reach me or no and sin not the worst char in reaching target :P
(u forget i want more defensive skill toob:surrenderb:shutup)
wizards are fine
if you can't kill people after 90 then go re-roll x.x0 -
Lusca - Sanctuary wrote: »wizards are fine
if you can't kill people after 90 then go re-roll x.x
i see u dont got the sarcasm in last post b:quiet
i am fine with wizz only just annoying a wizz could be usefull really only in high lv and dev team maked to us +2 problem (in another side is more fun so its ~balanced the negative and positive things, 1st really i want pk with a 9x assassin in my server but still we dont got it so i must wait) and if i reroll too still i cant kill the barb so useless the reroll b:laugh
ok i got alot info from sin from this thread and from this server so dont will be that big surprise when i will fight too 0 -
Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »Don't sins have a skil that prevents one shots?
so do clerics and archers but that dont make them OP
I jus fight sins like the archers
last time i fought a 8x sin he killed me 3 times and i killed him twice so they not OP
Problem with the high lvl Tideborns is they got banging gear 2 go with their 3000 oracles0 -
i have a ideea, when u are backstabbed by assasssin and he went back to stealth mode then go somewhere to a mob and he will be visible b:thanks
(ok i joking but fire lv29 aoe is nice too if have a mob around u because do nice dmg with nice area and low mp cost)0
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