Harpy Wraith Defeated on Sanc

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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I tend not to watch any sort of 'faction videos' >.< Unless its a comedy or something like those video contests, or tutorial/guides. Mostly cause i get overwhelmed by the ego seeping out from them, the 'Look at us we R uberz" related. But thats just me.
    you dont have to watch the entire thing, you can pretty much count them from the opening scene, but i do understand what you mean. i find them obnoxious too.

    i counted about 55 people present in the video. johnny cant count ):.
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  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    you dont have to watch the entire thing, you can pretty much count them from the opening scene, but i do understand what you mean. i find them obnoxious too.

    i counted about 55 people present in the video. johnny cant count ):.
    lol i was close. Do i win a cookie?
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Giant%20Oatmeal%20&%20Raisin%20Cookie.jpg
    have fun decepi.
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    advice to fledgling archers:
    Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.
  • JoHnNyPh - Sanctuary
    JoHnNyPh - Sanctuary Posts: 183 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    who said anyone was angered? o.0 you really need to stop thinking that pple are angry or jealous, your not special, i treat everyone here pretty much the same :P You cant help pple assuming things from what info theyve summed up from the past.

    shouldnt twist things, i never said you were angry, i said may have.
    Sage BM, hated by many,and i hate you all aswell b:cute
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    we just grab u to squad for no apparent reason ;x

    hehehhhh yes! Astypoo! we haven't squadded for anything in a long, long, long time b:angry
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  • JoHnNyPh - Sanctuary
    JoHnNyPh - Sanctuary Posts: 183 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    lol i was close. Do i win a cookie?

    55, take out the 15-20 that came to watch and not join in, we wouldnt take lvl 60-70 ppl to take on harpy
    Sage BM, hated by many,and i hate you all aswell b:cute
  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    hehehhhh yes! Astypoo! we haven't squadded for anything in a long, long, long time b:angry
    >:D i have though. weasel him in on alot of my FBs. darn cheater getting out of pole's aoe range ~_~
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    LOL i can do that too with Windcatcher equipped.
    Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
    Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
    Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
    Qui: b:dirty
  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    shouldnt twist things, i never said you were angry, i said may have.
    Oh darn, then let me rephrase mine too =o
    who said anyone was angered? o.0 you really need to stop thinking IF you think that pple are angry or jealous, your not special, i treat everyone here pretty much the same :P You cant help pple assuming things from what info theyve summed up from the past.
    Giant%20Oatmeal%20&%20Raisin%20Cookie.jpg
    have fun decepi.
    b:pleasedb:pleased
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    youre welcome!
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    *takes swipe at decep's cookies* :3
    Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
    Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
    Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
    Qui: b:dirty
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Oh darn, then let me rephrase mine too =o

    b:pleasedb:pleased

    Sometimes I think the forum spammers take away from the discussion at hand.
    Nef was the first in PWI to legitimately defeat Harpy and for that they should get congratulations.

    Now though comes the ever important follow up of doing it again when I'm not at work. Is Nef up to that challenge? Was this first success a fluke?

    Only time will tell.

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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Sometimes I think the forum spammers take away from the discussion at hand.
    Nef was the first in PWI to legitimately defeat Harpy and for that they should get congratulations.

    Now though comes the ever important follow up of doing my quest for me that Ive had sitting in my log for so long.
    Only time will tell.

    -Ast
    lalala fixed :DD
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  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Sometimes I think the forum spammers take away from the discussion at hand.
    Nef was the first in PWI to legitimately defeat Harpy and for that they should get congratulations.
    i would gratz the pple i know b:chuckle they are nice. But really :D i make a big wall of blue texts in interesting discussions too
    Now though comes the ever important follow up of doing it again when I'm not at work. Is Nef up to that challenge? Was this first success a fluke?

    Only time will tell.

    -Ast
    >______>;
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  • CapnK - Sanctuary
    CapnK - Sanctuary Posts: 1,166 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Congratulations, Nefarious. b:victory
  • Mamiko_mao - Sanctuary
    Mamiko_mao - Sanctuary Posts: 115 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Congrats to Nef!
  • Richterabend - Dreamweaver
    Richterabend - Dreamweaver Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Congrats Nefarious. I hope to some day be in a faction as great as you guys are (on a different server). b:victory
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  • LinZeta - Lost City
    LinZeta - Lost City Posts: 210 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Lost City is so bRuT4L!

    1. Our players are too busy killing each other, who needs PvE?

    2. CQ is focused on world domination, not killing a Harpy Wraith.

    3. Who needs 2000$ to defeat an ugly serpent when we get free stuff by doing the first said statement! XD

    IMJ, TBH, IMO




    The End...
    b:cute
  • incarnadin
    incarnadin Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Lost City is so bRuT4L!

    1. Our players are too busy killing each other, who needs PvE?

    2. CQ is focused on world domination, not killing a Harpy Wraith.

    3. Who needs 2000$ to defeat an ugly serpent when we get free stuff by doing the first said statement! XD

    IMJ, TBH, IMO




    The End...
    b:cute


    1. Nef do PVE to tame Harpy Wraith and send it do TW for them.

    2. Nef doesn't need to focus on world domination, no one challenge them. They're the best, that's all.

    3. Lost City does. b:victory
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  • DestroyTokyo - Lost City
    DestroyTokyo - Lost City Posts: 501 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    incarnadin wrote: »
    1. Nef do PVE to tame Harpy Wraith and send it do TW for them.

    2. Nef doesn't need to focus on world domination, no one challenge them. They're the best, that's all.

    3. Lost City does. b:victory

    To be fair, I've been on Sanc server before and had a talk with a few people. It literally seems like 90% of the server " high levels" are in Nefarious or @ least more than half.

    I'm not trying to bring down Nefarious because well kudos to them for dominating their respected server much like CQ has.

    But out of LC 9x more than half are NOT in CQ. CQ is actually under geared compared to the 2nd strongest guild on the server Spectral

    Nef seems a lot like spectral with their levels and gears according to what I've heard (no idea how they fair in actual pvp though)

    I would say this.

    Nefarious is probably the 2nd strongest guild in this game next to CQ However I think Spectral could give them a run for their money or even win simply because of their +12 brigades that Nefarious probably have never dealt with ever.

    Still pro job on the Harpy wraith.
    I think CQ should actually try to kill it sometime.

    But CQ is going to own the first one color map by Sunday night b:victory
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  • Reminissions - Sanctuary
    Reminissions - Sanctuary Posts: 240 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    To be fair, I've been on Sanc server before and had a talk with a few people. It literally seems like 90% of the server " high levels" are in Nefarious or @ least more than half.

    I'm not trying to bring down Nefarious because well kudos to them for dominating their respected server much like CQ has.

    But out of LC 9x more than half are NOT in CQ. CQ is actually under geared compared to the 2nd strongest guild on the server Spectral

    Nef seems a lot like spectral with their levels and gears according to what I've heard (no idea how they fair in actual pvp though)

    I would say this.

    Nefarious is probably the 2nd strongest guild in this game next to CQ However I think Spectral could give them a run for their money or even win simply because of their +12 brigades that Nefarious probably have never dealt with ever.

    Still pro job on the Harpy wraith.
    I think CQ should actually try to kill it sometime.

    But CQ is going to own the first one color map by Sunday night b:victory

    It's actually pretty interesting what you're saying.
    First off, Sanctuary is some month late no? I mean, created like, after? :P
    So all in all, Nefarious has been faster than CQ to paint the map.

    About the high level thingy, I actually don't know. It's hard to figure since some 90+ are just hiding D': But I do believe that at the most, 50% are in Nefarious and others are in Regicide mainly, and some others factions.

    People do say that Nefarious is uberly geared and that they pwn thanks to their gear. But Regicide gear aint that different imo, if not better overall. They wont admit it tho.
    Yes Nefarious got some heavy cash shopper. But Regicide cash shoppers use the same amount of money, if not more ( Wizzeled are you here? :P )

    Nefarious would be much more of Sanctuary's CQ, and Regicide, Sanctuary's Spectral P:
  • blindeyesniper
    blindeyesniper Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    To be fair, I've been on Sanc server before and had a talk with a few people. It literally seems like 90% of the server " high levels" are in Nefarious or @ least more than half.

    I'm not trying to bring down Nefarious because well kudos to them for dominating their respected server much like CQ has.

    But out of LC 9x more than half are NOT in CQ. CQ is actually under geared compared to the 2nd strongest guild on the server Spectral

    Nef seems a lot like spectral with their levels and gears according to what I've heard (no idea how they fair in actual pvp though)

    I would say this.

    Nefarious is probably the 2nd strongest guild in this game next to CQ However I think Spectral could give them a run for their money or even win simply because of their +12 brigades that Nefarious probably have never dealt with ever.

    Still pro job on the Harpy wraith.
    I think CQ should actually try to kill it sometime.

    But CQ is going to own the first one color map by Sunday night b:victory

    How did you figure that Nef has 90% of Sanc's high levels? For me, I consider 95+ as high level and even if Nef has 200 95+ players in the faction, I highly doubt that's even close to 90% of Sanc's lvl 95+ players. Consider the amount of 9x players now, I really doubt a faction can hold 90% of 9x's. Heck, I don't even think a faction can hold 5% of 9x's in one server.

    You seem pretty confident that CQ is #1 of all the servers. What are your reasons?

    Great job Nef. Way to represent Sanctuary!
  • DestroyTokyo - Lost City
    DestroyTokyo - Lost City Posts: 501 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    It's actually pretty interesting what you're saying.
    First off, Sanctuary is some month late no? I mean, created like, after? :P
    So all in all, Nefarious has been faster than CQ to paint the map.

    About the high level thingy, I actually don't know. It's hard to figure since some 90+ are just hiding D': But I do believe that at the most, 50% are in Nefarious and others are in Regicide mainly, and some others factions.

    People do say that Nefarious is uberly geared and that they pwn thanks to their gear. But Regicide gear aint that different imo, if not better overall. They wont admit it tho.
    Yes Nefarious got some heavy cash shopper. But Regicide cash shoppers use the same amount of money, if not more ( Wizzeled are you here? :P )

    Nefarious would be much more of Sanctuary's CQ, and Regicide, Sanctuary's Spectral P:

    Nefarious has no real competition though

    CQ gets war'd on 3v1 every weekend by the 2nd 3rd and 4th strongest guilds on the LC city all which could bring 80 to tw and have decent amounts of 9x.

    Spec has something like 15-20 10x and fill the rest of their tw with 9x

    Harvester has 3 10x I think and GZ has 3 or 4 @ least.

    I think you're greatly under estimating the competition on LC

    Go ahead and make a char there and ask for an invite to those guilds.

    It really is jaw dropping that cq is able to 3v1.

    Nefarious just doesn't have anything close to that competition.

    How did you figure that Nef has 90% of Sanc's high levels? For me, I consider 95+ as high level and even if Nef has 200 95+ players in the faction, I highly doubt that's even close to 90% of Sanc's lvl 95+ players.

    You seem pretty confident that CQ is #1 of all the servers. What are your reasons?

    Great job Nef. Way to represent Sanctuary!


    Like I said I've talked to people on my little lvl 1 char and people talk.

    My reasons?

    I've been in the 3 way attacks with said guilds above... it's disturbing how well oiled the CQ machine really is.

    It's target, focus, dead rinse and repeat till whatever we are fighting are inside their base.

    We have excellent stun teams that drop multiple dragons in the called out clustered areas.

    debuffs are always right on for called out targets on vents.

    Catas are immobilized while the clerics are dropped then drop the wbs.


    You really would just have to see it to really understand. It's like 80 programmed robots walk in and never deviate from their objectives.
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    Voted "Best WB on Lost City Server" b:victory
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  • Reminissions - Sanctuary
    Reminissions - Sanctuary Posts: 240 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Nefarious has no real competition though

    CQ gets war'd on 3v1 every weekend by the 2nd 3rd and 4th strongest guilds on the LC city all which could bring 80 to tw and have decent amounts of 9x.

    Spec has something like 15-20 10x and fill the rest of their tw with 9x

    Harvester has 3 10x I think and GZ has 3 or 4 @ least.

    I think you're greatly under estimating the competition on LC

    Go ahead and make a char there and ask for an invite to those guilds.

    It really is jaw dropping that cq is able to 3v1.

    Nefarious just doesn't have anything close to that competition.

    As cocky as it can sounds, and apologizing for that as it's none of my habbit,
    Nefarious has, at the moment, no competition because they've shown they can't be beaten -yet-.

    As for what you said, Regicide fill their TW's pretty much the same way. (wondering if they don't have more 10x tho.)
    This week end looks pretty interesting, 3x 3defence :o

    If there's no competition in Sanctuary it's because no one think of being able to create one (as a single faction.) and they're not trying to work together :/
  • Templar - Sanctuary
    Templar - Sanctuary Posts: 607 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Since 1st time i saw harpy wraith i knew that must kill her xD ( she killed many of my friends while farmign that fine lumber in midle of valleyb:laugh )

    and we did it legaly , i am sorry if my vid. isn't of great quality dunno if its legal even to post here link O_o but ok lets try

    thx everyone who was there :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfWAaonx5oE
  • GohRaL - Sanctuary
    GohRaL - Sanctuary Posts: 883 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Since 1st time i saw harpy wraith i knew that must kill her xD ( she killed many of my friends while farmign that fine lumber in midle of valleyb:laugh )

    and we did it legaly , i am sorry if my vid. isn't of great quality dunno if its legal even to post here link O_o but ok lets try

    thx everyone who was there :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfWAaonx5oE


    HEY TEMPLAR ur a great barb, and i respect U and Nef too, id like to know if u have more TW video u made cuz i have never found a TW video registered by barb...i just find crappy archers (dont get offended) and im sick of em in TW videos

    id like to learn from the best barb in sanct b:victoryb:chuckle
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Have any venos tried range tanking it with a ranged pet? -Details? There is a World Boss that only hits for 1/4 of my Marksman's HP, and according to the database: Harpy Wraith hits magic for about 4x what that boss does. Another World Boss with the standard matk hits it for about 80-90%.

    Range may be a factor in the strength of attack? Eldergoths don't have the range that the Cactopods in Eden have, but they don't have near the same survivability either.
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    from a range, harpy uses a melee move, not magic, and it'd tear your eldergoth apart. think its similar to AE, but on steroids
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    advice to fledgling archers:
    Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.
  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    As cocky as it can sounds, and apologizing for that as it's none of my habbit,
    Nefarious has, at the moment, no competition because they've shown they can't be beaten -yet-.

    As for what you said, Regicide fill their TW's pretty much the same way. (wondering if they don't have more 10x tho.)
    This week end looks pretty interesting, 3x 3defence :o

    If there's no competition in Sanctuary it's because no one think of being able to create one (as a single faction.) and they're not trying to work together :/
    ok trying to be neutral here.
    i think its more because the 'beaten' are joining nef. ;/
    'If you cant beat them, join them' is the sanctuary logo, and behind that is the excuse that 'all my friends are there' (more for the now pple tho)
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  • Raydoit - Sanctuary
    Raydoit - Sanctuary Posts: 377 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Yup its the truth. People would rather be greedy and dominate rather than have fun in TWs and make the whole server happy. Remember Nef the solution to boredom is leaving and making a superfaction to take on Nef. I'm talking to you Templar....Coooome oooon just leave and make your own awesome faction! Coooome oooooon b:surrender For me pls? b:beg
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