Best pet for veno

Is the Death Knight good as a pet overall, or is it just for show? I was thinking about getting a death knight when I reached lvl 70 but I have no idea if it is worth it or not. I currently have a Volcanic Magmite, Snow Hare, Foxwing Supreme, Death Dancer, and an Antelope for fun. any suggestions?

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

In my opinion they are good for show, or as a lurer, since they are resonably fast. They also come with threaten, which is a nice touch.

As for stats, if I recall correctly, they have low defenses, low hp and okish attack attack. And they are even bigger than a VMag. However, they do look cool :P

That's nice. Probably won't use it to grind much though xD. Still having trouble leveling up my Vmite. I might just switch my antelope for the Death Knight then. b:shocked

Would an Antelope Pup be sufficient for grinding physical mobs as well as magic mobs? My Eldergoth Marksman doesn't suffer too much against physical mobs, and it has a worse physical defense stat than an Antelope Pup. Although, It may have a different growth curve; The antelope definitely has higher physical defense than the marksman at level 90.

I was also thinking about vipents...I know they have pretty poor defense all around, but...are they useful for anything other than looking strange?

I'm just a bit concerned about sinking millions of coins into skills for a pet which doesn't turn out suitable for its intended use. Like the Antelope Pup. I don't like having multiple pets suited to a single purpose, so I only want one grinding pet. Something well rounded, but with good DPS. A pet to grind with after all my other pets are leveled up.

The antelopes have great DPS, and great magic defense. But low HP and physical defense worries me a bit.

Brael - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I gave those spiders a try. After a couple of failed attempts using AE's and trying it more of a cleric style solo I just went for single kills, as the dots ended up stacking too high for me to handle when ae'ing (a group of 20 I killed for example, I ended up with 1125 every 3 sec in poison damage, that's too much of a genie/potion drain. So, given that I went and killed for an hour (final time ended up being 60:03). I ended up with 310 kills sticking mainly to single nukes unless there were adds around a spider, then I used noxious, and one or two novas (saved most chi for sparks).

The results were, 184935 exp, 472331 coin, 1 common topaz (14.3k value), and 17 glaze (38.7k-55.3k after AH fees, depending on if it sells at bid or buy price), can call it 534k total, and that's after repairs. There was also a cost of 2 tree of protection and 1 second wind but no potions used which comes to I think 1600 stamina, which has a market value of 6400 coin.

Well, since you have access to the credit card free gold offers, I might recommending going with a charm. I have been able to level there for for an hour on an eso and only have the charm go off oncem or not even at all. It helps to A. Extreme Poison the Inc life/def mobs, and B. triple spark often. It acts as a cheap purify, and makes your exp output way higher. Also it helps if you stick the the spawn next to the tree north of Watcher of Chasm's spawn, they have a nice space in between spawn points, yet keep a good number there.

One last question, why are you taking all the poison damage, you should let phoenix keep the aggro, and when multpiles grab aggression, have phoenix hit them and just spam poison on it while then moving to a single target to take out dually.

Save up and get sage venomous too, youll nearly always have enough chi to spam 3x sparks like I stated. I only AOE'd after a 3x spark since it'd burn a ton of their hp :P.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'm sorry - but that style is very much the herc style. (Especially grabbing aggro on lots of things at once, since the herdc has reflect) So if not the herc, then anything else that works kinda like one.
Magmites and antelopes have been mentioned, you could also consider the bears (shadau and armoured) which have more rounded defence and very decent hitpoints.
Don't the beetles also have decent defences? That's worth a try.


And tweakz - I think the 'popular option' is to buy a herc, often at low level with actual cash. Those horrible yellow blobs are everywhere.

Hercs are terrible at holding aggro, unless you go replacing their skills, which is pointless. I have a Shadou Cub, but his DPS, like the beetles, is very poor.

Most of the time, I kill one mob at a time, then quickly move to the next. Sometimes 2-3 mobs are too close together to be aggroed individually, so I grab them all.

Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Hercs are terrible at holding aggro, unless you go replacing their skills, which is pointless. I have a Shadou Cub, but his DPS, like the beetles, is very poor.

Most of the time, I kill one mob at a time, then quickly move to the next. Sometimes 2-3 mobs are too close together to be aggroed individually, so I grab them all.

Oh, I agree that the herc is bad at holding aggro. But the "Grab every monster, nuke them to death either one at a time or with aoe" is the thing that the herc does.

I'm afraid you're pretty much just trying to find the tradeoff between damage and defence. There's pets all along the spectrum, but nothing that has max of both.

Ah. There's the nix. But you don't use the 'grab everything kill it one at a time' strategy then, it's more of a "Grab the first one, grab the second one, ok now I'll start nuking... ah, interrupted because it died, ok, the other one... oh, it's dead too. Huh." strategy, then.

Up to you really. I mostly use the herc because I've got it, I'm lazy and I need to keep it at max xp anyway. It holds aggro well enough, and can just keep reflecting five or six mobs whilst I polish off one.

You already discarded my favoured middle-ground of the wovles (which I will admit are somewhat fragile), so I was suggesting more on the defensive end.
If you want something more offence oriented, what about the grimalks, or the kowlin?

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well, since you have access to the credit card free gold offers, I might recommending going with a charm. I have been able to level there for for an hour on an eso and only have the charm go off oncem or not even at all. It helps to A. Extreme Poison the Inc life/def mobs, and B. triple spark often. It acts as a cheap purify, and makes your exp output way higher. Also it helps if you stick the the spawn next to the tree north of Watcher of Chasm's spawn, they have a nice space in between spawn points, yet keep a good number there.

One last question, why are you taking all the poison damage, you should let phoenix keep the aggro, and when multpiles grab aggression, have phoenix hit them and just spam poison on it while then moving to a single target to take out dually.

Save up and get sage venomous too, youll nearly always have enough chi to spam 3x sparks like I stated. I only AOE'd after a 3x spark since it'd burn a ton of their hp :P.

When I started killing one at a time the nix took almost all of the damage. When I took the damage it was from trying it cleric style, that doesn't work for a veno since the poison stacks too high, it might have had something to do with me grabbing about 20, or it might have had something to do with my reluctance to spam HP food (which would have let me do that type of pull, I just didn't want to do that to survive it). A charm wouldn't change that, 1125 every 3 sec with 3313 hp means I fall just short of being able to have a charm tick non stop to prevent the poison damage. Given the time it takes to pull and have mobs respawn though, I don't think that method would be worthwhile anyways. The biggest problem is in minimizing my downtime right now (time I'm doing 0 damage moving from mob to mob), killing one at a time with a nix kills them fast enough.

Anyways, I did that spot at the tree north of the chasm guy, but what I found was that I ran out of mobs which led to me having to run off and get mobs in other spots, that added more downtime than anything. I was going to try a 1 hour run today staying by that tree to see if it's better to just wait on respawn. If it's better, I expect the exp over an hour to go up about 15% or so and the coin to go up by about 5% (assuming what I got before was a standard drop). This is because my exp per kill came in well below average.

When it comes to sage venomous, I refuse to pay the 5 million someone is asking in AH. Everyone else seems to refuse to pay it too considering it's been in there for almost two weeks now. I run Brimstone solo almost daily (some wined, some unwined), given the amount of coin I can get in an hour from those spiders, I'll probably start doing more wined runs of Brimstone than unwined. Sooner or later I'll get venomous, I'm farming brimstone to get my friends molds/books they want anyways so I don't see the point in buying it.

Brael - Dreamweaver wrote: »

When I started killing one at a time the nix took almost all of the damage. When I took the damage it was from trying it cleric style, that doesn't work for a veno since the poison stacks too high, it might have had something to do with me grabbing about 20, or it might have had something to do with my reluctance to spam HP food (which would have let me do that type of pull, I just didn't want to do that to survive it). A charm wouldn't change that, 1125 every 3 sec with 3313 hp means I fall just short of being able to have a charm tick non stop to prevent the poison damage. Given the time it takes to pull and have mobs respawn though, I don't think that method would be worthwhile anyways. The biggest problem is in minimizing my downtime right now (time I'm doing 0 damage moving from mob to mob), killing one at a time with a nix kills them fast enough.

Anyways, I did that spot at the tree north of the chasm guy, but what I found was that I ran out of mobs which led to me having to run off and get mobs in other spots, that added more downtime than anything. I was going to try a 1 hour run today staying by that tree to see if it's better to just wait on respawn. If it's better, I expect the exp over an hour to go up about 15% or so and the coin to go up by about 5% (assuming what I got before was a standard drop). This is because my exp per kill came in well below average.

When it comes to sage venomous, I refuse to pay the 5 million someone is asking in AH. Everyone else seems to refuse to pay it too considering it's been in there for almost two weeks now. I run Brimstone solo almost daily (some wined, some unwined), given the amount of coin I can get in an hour from those spiders, I'll probably start doing more wined runs of Brimstone than unwined. Sooner or later I'll get venomous, I'm farming brimstone to get my friends molds/books they want anyways so I don't see the point in buying it.

If youre having too much downtime, wandering from that tree the middle area in a round circle usually helped me too. I also notice a huge difference in our hp @_@. I have almost twice yours @___@;. (lol vitarcane)

Also how high is your matk/what weapon are you using? I personally never had much trouble with those spiders, and got a level every 5 days there from 89-94. Made a fat wallet there too.

tweakz...kindly take your bias elsewhere. It stinks.

There's a ton of choices for common pets if you want to use a common pet for grinding. Just have to play around and find what works best for you.

In any case, you don't need to level up the pet skills if you're poor (and/or rather spend the coin on something else), since the bulk of your damage output will come from your nukes. I grind with my eldergoth pretty much all the time and just use Roar to help keep aggro (and it only needs to keep it for a few seconds before the monster's dead) if playing in human form and when I switch over to fox form, I grind with a shaodu cub, simply because I'm nuts and like the look (yeah, I know, an eldergoth or a mag would be better dps, but eh, fox form is more for fun right now, so it's more fun to have a small pet whacking away with me than a big fat pet that blocks the way and doesn't look as nice, and no, my shaodu cub is not checking out my ****, ).

You can also put multiple attack skills on one pet and use that to hold aggro for pretty cheap.

Ie, just stick Bash + 3 elemental skills and there you go, you have a solid skill based dps pet that can hold aggro if you cycle through all the skills before nuking. Hell, even bash + 1 elemental skill should be enough to hold aggro even if they're still at level 1!

Tweakz - you started that long post well, then you turned to troll. Please stop that.

Legendary pets: Yes, they are just that much better than most of the pets out there. No, they're not the be-all and end-all.

Yes, money is easier to get than you think. Heck, even TT-solo runs can make a profit. (Well, not usually TT11)

But you're asking "Ok, what common pet is at least as good a defence as the best pdef defence pet and also hits as hard and fast as the best attack pet" and the answer is, um, none of them do that. We're overpowered enough already!

Pick a pet. Adjust your style to it, rather than the other way around. Or save up and be a heavy+arcane fox-veno and tank the mobs yourself. But that's even more expensive than saving up for a herc.

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

If youre having too much downtime, wandering from that tree the middle area in a round circle usually helped me too. I also notice a huge difference in our hp @_@. I have almost twice yours @___@;. (lol vitarcane)

Also how high is your matk/what weapon are you using? I personally never had much trouble with those spiders, and got a level every 5 days there from 89-94. Made a fat wallet there too.

HP will jump up at 95, I have heavenrage boots and a helm of holy vengeance, level 14 items to refine will be useful. My magic attack currently is 5408-6804, I'm still using my level 80 weapon, need 3 more dust of devil to upgrade to the level 90 gold weapon.

The spiders aren't giving me problems or anything, they're just not quite as good as you were stating. I gave frostwurm tombs a shot too, but the kill rate was about 10% lower than spiders for less exp per kill (465 vs 506) so I stopped at 20 min when I had a good idea of the kill speed.

Here's another hour on spiders:
364 mobs, 195196 exp (536/kill, 6% over base), 409687 coin.

The exp over time is certainly higher than other spots I've found but I'm less than impressed with the per mob results though it's still better.

How many hours a day did you play when grinding 89-94 on them? I'm coming up with 57 hours of grinding to do 93 with these rates (plus probably 2 hours in running around repairing, selling, etc), for 5 days that's just under 12 hours a day.

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Squeakytoy, youre being kind of unreasonable. I mean youre looking for a herc/phoenix substitute in normal pets? It aint gunna happen. Theres nothing that could ever replace legendary pets. All this talk about never being able to afford one is ludicrous as well. Youd be surprised how many kids have gone out and earned the coin to buy one. I started saving when I was level 18, got my herc by 67. RB gamma in my 70s paid for a phoenix in 2 weeks. Dont act so helpless, and get out there and try!

That's not what I've been looking for. But thank you fo reinforcing my belief that nearly everyone thinks herc/nix are the end-all and be-all of the pet world.

I think we should look at how many common pets have been tried before jumping into conclusions^^