Anniversary Pack Discussion

Devs..>Devs and Devs.....Not GMs. *shakes head* Some people may learn...one day...maybe.

JOKER_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

omg...
that's not my point!!! if he's a community manager he should just ask a person responsible for cash shop items and give us an answer... so hard to understand??

Devs are in china. You can't just walk up to them and ask directly. If you request to change things, they're free to ignore you completely. You can't say anything against them since you work for them. In short, no a community manager can't fix everything. The devs are the ones with full control.

Anniversary packs should have been just a gift released on the anniversary of the game to celebrate its anniversary, not brought back several times over and **** up prices within the game. If it was meant to be an 'anniversary' item, its certainly lost its meaning. I hope that the tideborn expansion will sort out the prices so us people who don't have money or don't want to use money to cash shop all the time can go back to having fun.

So when are they going away for good??????b:surrender

Pandaberr - Lost City wrote: »

Spoons already said that this isn't a "third release".

Them being taken out was an accident/mistake.

Which just makes me wonder.

What part of November will they be removed then?

yeah, they were supposed to be in the cash shop UNTIL November, which means once October ended and November started they should have been gone. But I guess what they really meant was that they'd be in the cash shop THROUGH November, which means at the end of November they will be gone.

And then, hopefully, they will get us some awesome snowmen to kill for mirages and chi stones.

edited for spelling and grammar errors. ;_;

By any chance is there any admin or mod on. I wanted to ask a question about the packs ;o

Just wondering...have.t completely read through forums since it expands 20 pages every minute. How long will packs be here? If any1 knows plz tell me and ty~

Guys if you're trying to show us how much you dislike your members or how money thirsty you are you're doing a good job.
I previously quit perfect world international for 2months so I was not involved in them.
I come back breathing a sigh of relief that they are finally gone and 4 days later they're back.
Get rid of them.
I've got friends who I've played this game with from the beginning and they're dropping like flies.
You're losing your most loyal gamers and if this is what you want, you're going the right way of ending PWI for life.
This game is your most successful so why're you putting it's economy through this.
I genuinely do not understand your incentive other than to cash in the money, I appreciate the fact you have to make a living but you've bled this economy dry.
I no longer appreciate the game as much as i used to, maybe this is for the best.

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The real question is, from whom do the orders come? Who are "they?" Why do "they" pull what strings they pull? Why have "they" shown such gross negligence of this game's economy, or such a lack of caring and understanding for this community (or at best, indiffrence)? -_-

Marketing departments come up with the ideas & marketing executives pitch those ideas to chief executives in the company such as the CEO & CFO for their approval.

They pull the strings they pull based on the data they get back from analyzing the game & accounting data from their CFO's branch of the company. They look at all the facts & figures & get advice from their people on the inside of the game. Then decisions are made by executives who are responsible for keeping the game profitable so that the stockholders & board of directors will keep their investments in their company.

They have not shown gross negligence of the game's economy. Actually players show gross ignorance about how to operate a free market system within the game & do the most damage to themselves by misplacing value of certain objects in the game.

And why exactly should the top level executives of the company log in & get all chummy with us? That's what they hire employees for. When you go to a movie do you get insulted that the director of the movie isn't in the lobby to talk to you about all your opinions of his work? NO.

I suggest that everyone start treating PWI as a game more than a glorified chat room & start enjoying the creative & challenging aspects of the game.

Look at it this way... this is simply another challenge for you to overcome in the game. So adapt & modify your game plan accordingly to accomodate the changes & keep on enjoying this wonderful game.

They can't make everyone happy. They have to choose a target audience & structure things around what makes them happy. That means the less desireable people will not be catered to & hopefully will move on so there is a better environment for the positive & productive players. Sorry that's just how life works.

This is a bad move by PWI unless they WANT the game to die. Then the souless robots in charge are doing a wonderful job stringing us along as they fall into oblivian.

chelseacrafter wrote: »

Marketing departments come up with the ideas & marketing executives pitch those ideas to chief executives in the company such as the CEO & CFO for their approval.

I'm aware of this, I was asking more rhetorically because I didn't want to sound like I was pointing fingers. We don't know how they're structured up there... it could be exactly as you say, or it could be a variation of this.

chelseacrafter wrote: »

They pull the strings they pull based on the data they get back from analyzing the game & accounting data from their CFO's branch of the company. They look at all the facts & figures & get advice from their people on the inside of the game. Then decisions are made by executives who are responsible for keeping the game profitable so that the stockholders & board of directors will keep their investments in their company.

And why exactly should the top level executives of the company log in & get all chummy with us? That's what they hire employees for. When you go to a movie do you get insulted that the director of the movie isn't in the lobby to talk to you about all your opinions of his work? NO.

This isn't about being "chummy," it's about being honest and transparent. Obviously every company has to keep some aspects of its business model secret, but this is just ridiculous. We've never seen a justification for the return of the anni packs or the inclusion of the chest of coins that wasn't complete bull. The closest we ever get is the GMs being sent in to placate us.

Eventually if you have enough outcry, you can't not listen to and communicate with your customers if you want to stay afloat.

chelseacrafter wrote: »

I suggest that everyone start treating PWI as a game more than a glorified chat room & start enjoying the creative & challenging aspects of the game.

Look at it this way... this is simply another challenge for you to overcome in the game. So adapt & modify your game plan accordingly to accomodate the changes & keep on enjoying this wonderful game.

Well that's what everyone seems to be doing, yes. But why should we just sit back and tolerate a fivefold increase in price on everything in the CS? We'll deal, yes, at least for awhile, but that doesn't mean we don't have the right to hold PWE's feet to the fire in the meantime.

chelseacrafter wrote: »

They have not shown gross negligence of the game's economy. Actually players show gross ignorance about how to operate a free market system within the game & do the most damage to themselves by misplacing value of certain objects in the game.

chelseacrafter wrote: »

They can't make everyone happy. They have to choose a target audience & structure things around what makes them happy. That means the less desireable people will not be catered to & hopefully will move on so there is a better environment for the positive & productive players. Sorry that's just how life works.

The problem with that theory is, that every one of us was "positive and productive." We either bought ZEN, or we bought gold from people who bought ZEN. By the GMs' admission, there are far more f2p players than CS users. Sure, it's good for the CS profiteers right now, but for the bulk of us, wer're struggling. I don't care what kind of economy you have, they're not built to tolerate 500% inflation over the course of three months.

Honestly, it's getting hard to humor people who believe the free-market fairy will come and solve all our problems. -_- And even if it did, you have to remember that PWI is a hugely varied bunch. Most of us don't care about free-market principles, we just want to play the game and have enough money to play comfortably on. Hell, a good portion of the community isn't even old enough to understand what you're talking about.

chelseacrafter wrote: »

Sorry that's just how life works.

I'm not here to have a life. I'm here to play a game to get away from real life for a while.

I trust the majority of everyone is here to do the same. If the game were to emulate real life, what's the point of playing a game?

Hello? MMORPG = Massively Multiplayer Role Playing Game and not as someone had stated Mostly Men Online Roleplaying Girls.

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm aware of this, I was asking more rhetorically because I didn't want to sound like I was pointing fingers. We don't know how they're structured up there... it could be exactly as you say, or it could be a variation of this....

...Honestly, it's getting hard to humor people who believe the free-market fairy will come and solve all our problems. -_- And even if it did, you have to remember that PWI is a hugely varied bunch. Most of us don't care about free-market principles, we just want to play the game and have enough money to play comfortably on. Hell, a good portion of the community isn't even old enough to understand what you're talking about.

1. This notion of "I don't care about how things work I just want them to work automatically to my advantage" comes with it's own set of disabilities for people who adopt it & they need to realize ignorance has it's price.

2. The same people complaining about inflation & demanding we boycott gold sellers turn right around and sell their own items at high prices just so they get their share of the pie. Most of these people never buy zen/gold.

3. Free objects that drop from monsters costing outrageous prices like wine mats & DQ play just as large a role in inflation. And it's a total scam. Why the heck should I pay 16k for ONE little hay drop that the person got free just for grinding & got EXP for grinding. And they get rich doing it & they make a whole business of it. So don't blame PWI for the greed that is rampant in the game & causing inflation. The only greed I see is in the players.

3. Gold still costs the same amount of real life money it always has. So there is no inflation to those who use their real life money. The inflation starts in AH & radiates outward from there. Go look at the gold trade. Buyers make OFFERS. Sellers don't demand prices. So the ones setting the prices are buyers not sellers. And so WHY do the prices go up? Why do players outbid each others' offers for gold? What incentive do buyers have to volunteer to pay more than the last guy? It's totally ridiculous. There is absolutely no reason to make a higher bid on gold. The gold seller is going to sell their gold for whatever rate the buyer chooses. So why doesn't everyone bid $200 & stop out bidding anyone? There is no incentive to outbid someone. It's just outright stupidity.

4. Your claim that ALL players are/were positive & productive is completely illogical. First of all I know a lot of free players & not one of them even knows how to buy gold on AH. They all use catshops to buy things... there's the problem right there... middlemen. Second of all, gold sellers are not benevolent benefactors... no one ever asks the question "if they have all that zen/gold why do they need my coins". LOL

5. Gold sellers are a minority. They have financial limitations like everyone...even the rich ones. Therefore the idea of non-payers buying gold from them & thus injecting more real life money into the game is false. There is a limit to how much they can & will purchase. Therefore that limits company profits & harms the game in the long run. Free players are still freeloading to some degree even if they buy gold from sellers.

Every single economic issue being complained about has it's root cause in player greed, ignorance, laziness & freeloading off paying players. PWI can't fix any of that because all those things are matters within the heart of the player. What do you want? PWI to brainwash everyone & make everyone into logical, intelligent, resourceful & independent people?

Ottogi - Lost City wrote: »

I can't imagine they want the game to die before they release an expansion. Seems this would be a move to make when you've moved on to other games. Unless the expansion really sucks and they know we'll all quit at that point.

Can the game exist with solely cashshoppers? If so then it's not as stupid as I might be thinking. I just don't think there's enough cashshoppers to make the servers interesting =\

every player is a potential customer. you can't advertise this game as free to play and not have a big f2p playerbase. pwi should not be content to have only cash shoppers around because that would mean they no longer have an expanding source of revenue. sooner or later, some bright mind is going to figure out that regularly cashshopping in this game is more expensive to play than an actual p2p game. i think a lot of players occasionally using the cash shop is what this game aimed for.

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

every player is a potential customer. you can't advertise this game as free to play and not have a big f2p playerbase. pwi should not be content to have only cash shoppers around because that would mean they no longer have an expanding source of revenue. sooner or later, some bright mind is going to figure out that regularly cashshopping in this game is more expensive to play than an actual p2p game. i think a lot of players occasionally using the cash shop is what this game aimed for.

I completely fail to see any logic in this. That's like saying a grocery store would never have any new customers unless it offered anyone who wanted free food for life to come & just take away their goods free. LOL How do you think ANY business operates & expands to new customers? LOL It certainly isn't by saying you have a choice to pay us or just not pay us for our product! b:chuckle