Anniversary Pack Discussion

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Homaru - Harshlands wrote: »

Don't worry I'll get us back on track


QQ ANNI PACKSSS

WE ALL HATE THEM BUT THEY'RE NEVER GONNA LEAVE BECAUSE PWI LIKES MONEY OVER THEIR PLARYERSS QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ

Fixed b:victory

"facepalm"

Roflmao XD

Edit: Im hyperactive again... o.o'

Pegasi - Lost City

At this point, I may be out of place saying this; but I don't think we(the payers) or the GM's have much of an idea of what's going on. >_>;
GM's either hide what they know or are as confused as we are.
These packs are like... yuck, they mess up the player base, make everyone on the forums mad at each other, and miffed the game. So long as the option of getting hard earned stuff and coin is there, people will gamble to get it. ._.;
I know not everyone that plays this game lives in America, but I do know that the country is known for it's gambling problem/addiction.
Like inbreeding on a pony game, if the option is there without penalty, people will take the easy rout. Same goes for the packs, 10 bucks for some easy money or a chance at some awesome gear/mats/ect is pretty sweet, spread that out over about half the player base, 1000 zhen per person is a lot.

But that's just my thought on the subject. I hope they take the packs out soon.

Homaru - Harshlands

Pegasi - Lost City wrote: »

At this point, I may be out of place saying this; but I don't think we(the payers) or the GM's have much of an idea of what's going on. >_>;
GM's either hide what they know or are as confused as we are.
These packs are like... yuck, they mess up the player base, make everyone on the forums mad at each other, and miffed the game. So long as the option of getting hard earned stuff and coin is there, people will gamble to get it. ._.;
I know not everyone that plays this game lives in America, but I do know that the country is known for it's gambling problem/addiction.
Like inbreeding on a pony game, if the option is there without penalty, people will take the easy rout. Same goes for the packs, 10 bucks for some easy money or a chance at some awesome gear/mats/ect is pretty sweet, spread that out over about half the player base, 1000 zhen per person is a lot.

But that's just my thought on the subject. I hope they take the packs out soon.

I was going to agree with you until you insulted America >.>

jushin

I lOVE EMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM,keep them till next yearb:victory

eatwithspoons

If you can't voice your opinion without making accusations please do not post in this thread, it detracts from the real conversations that some players are trying to have here.

dydrial

I hate the anni packs.

Constructive criticism? What good does that do when the GMs/developers never listen?

All I can say is I've never sold gold until this whole mess, because I never had to. Now, in order to get things I need with coins I have to get gold, sell that, and MAYBE I'll have enough coin for the **** I want or need. It sure beats the rat race of farming and I certainly can't afford to make money the way I did before. I used to buy and resell clothes in AH, but gold prices have driven most items so high that non-CS players can barely make enough coins for the cheapest sets in the ugliest colors. And charms, cages, inv. stones, GS? The things we used to be able to spend a little coin to get gold and buy at a reasonable exchange rate? Not anymore. Thank God I got my nix before this mess.

Oh, and fyi, I have filled out hours of those damn surveys to get gold for stuff. It's close to being too irritating to continue and if this keeps up I'll quit like so many have. And that little bit of cash I used to spend now and then is going with me. Maybe it won't make any difference, but if it happens enough not even the big spenders will keep your jobs afloat.

IDaun - Dreamweaver

And apparently not this thread. I doubt our feedback is being counted as more than "not a big enough part of the playerbase to matter".

If GMs/Devs/Whoever (if GMs are actually in on this) were really concerned about how much of the player base they're getting responses from, they'd take the time to make a quest or something ingame to answer. I'm sure they can.

I'm pretty sure it's all the Devs at this point, though. PWE is manipulating the GMs, Mods, and, unfortunately, us, like puppets on a string. And it's starting to become unprofitable to them. I just got paid yesterday-- when the anni packs were taken out, I was gonna put in some money. Wake up this morning and find this? NTY. Yeah, it was only gonna be $20~$40, but, I'm sure I'm not the only one that has stopped putting money into PWI.

When will the heavy CSers/Anni Pack buyers realize that PWE is just sucking money from them? And, that, if this continues at this rate, the game is gonna crash soon--making all the money they put in effectively useless?

And that little bit of cash I used to spend now and then is going with me. Maybe it won't make any difference, but if it happens enough not even the big spenders will keep your jobs afloat.

b:victory QFT, too.

Homaru - Harshlands

dydrial wrote: »

I hate the anni packs.

Constructive criticism? What good does that do when the GMs/developers never listen?

All I can say is I've never sold gold until this whole mess, because I never had to. Now, in order to get things I need with coins I have to get gold, sell that, and MAYBE I'll have enough coin for the **** I want or need. It sure beats the rat race of farming and I certainly can't afford to make money the way I did before. I used to buy and resell clothes in AH, but gold prices have driven most items so high that non-CS players can barely make enough coins for the cheapest sets in the ugliest colors. And charms, cages, inv. stones, GS? The things we used to be able to spend a little coin to get gold and buy at a reasonable exchange rate? Not anymore. Thank God I got my nix before this mess.

Oh, and fyi, I have filled out hours of those damn surveys to get gold for stuff. It's close to being too irritating to continue and if this keeps up I'll quit like so many have. And that little bit of cash I used to spend now and then is going with me. Maybe it won't make any difference, but if it happens enough not even the big spenders will keep your jobs afloat.

QFT

I hope spoons doesn't delete this one.

_Ethereal_ - Lost City

Okay then.

eatwithspoons wrote: »

Hey guys, the anniversary packs weren't supposed to get removed over the weekend, we apologize for the inconvenience. I'm not going to be addressing questions about the packs past this statement for a while, because at this point I have nothing to add to the conversation

According to this the anniversary packs shouldn't have been removed on November 1st.

However, When you read this:

This box will be on sale from October 13th at 1:00am Server Time until November!

I'd say its safe to assume that most people would think once November hit, the anniversary packs would be removed according to that time frame. And in fact to most people's pleasure, and others' displeasure, they in fact were.

After reading the first quote, it seems to me that the removal wasn't suppose to happen and it was just a glich, bug, or mistake. Yet after reading the second post I would be led to believe that the anni packs were supposed to be removed.

Why does the event time-frame not add up with what you said above in an earlier post?

(Not an accusation)

Homaru - Harshlands

To be honest, what I wanna know is when they're going to look at the poll on this thread and be like oh man, maybe we should worry about our players.
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=497872

eatwithspoons

If you notice from looking at the news posts, I always give an end date specifically when I am provided with one, but when I'm not given one I can't just make one upb:surrender

_Ethereal_ - Lost City

eatwithspoons wrote: »

If you notice from looking at the news posts, I always give an end date specifically when I am provided with one, but when I'm not given one I can't just make one upb:surrender

Hey spoons, if you could control the sales on anni packs, what would you do? Seeing as you've had to unfairly (yet fairly, cuz sadly, it comes with the job being a game/community manager) deal with the QQ from hundreds of people, I feel curious about your response.

Homaru - Harshlands

_Ethereal_ - Lost City wrote: »

Hey spoons, if you could control the sales on anni packs, what would you do? Seeing as you've had to unfairly (yet fairly, cuz sadly, it comes with the job being a game/community manager) deal with the QQ from hundreds of people, I feel curious about your response.

He can't respond to this, he works for pwi. Even if he agreed with the player body, he has to support his employer.

_Ethereal_ - Lost City

Homaru - Harshlands wrote: »

He can't respond to this, he works for pwi. Even if he agreed with the player body, he has to support his employer.

Not necessarily. Really depends on the company. Though even so, I assumed I wouldn't get an answer anyways lol. Just hoped on the slim chance I would.


Edit: Besides it's already been shown that all the Gm's are, are messengers. It's not like him giving a response would change anything at all. People already have strong opinions on the matter regardless of whether a gm agrees with the community or not. The only ones who decide whether a change occurs is those who control these events and the game as a whole. Thus his answer to my question would have been irrelevant. But I asked out of curiosity.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Personally i dont mind, assuming theyll take it off soon.

I wouldnt mind it staying for a few days tho >.> i know my paychecks comin in soon <.<

Homaru - Harshlands

Homaru - Harshlands wrote: »

To be honest, what I wanna know is when they're going to look at the poll on this thread and be like oh man, maybe we should worry about our players.
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=497872

I'm quoting my post to try to get a reply from spoons...

IDaun - Dreamweaver

Homaru - Harshlands wrote: »

I'm quoting my post to try to get a reply from spoons...

"People can vote with their alts-- it does not represent a accurate portion of the player base." <--- the same thing they've been saying for a while.

Poison - Heavens Tear

And 370 something out of tens or hundreds of thousands is nothing. Their accounting sheet says people want it because they are selling lots of them.

Plicid - Heavens Tear

lol 167 pages of QQing and still counting. I feel for whomever has to read through this all. If people feel this strongly abut a subject, some action should be taken right?

Homaru - Harshlands

IDaun - Dreamweaver wrote: »

"People can vote with their alts-- it does not represent a accurate portion of the player base." <--- the same thing they've been saying for a while.

Oh >.>

Poison - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And 370 something out of tens or hundreds of thousands is nothing. Their accounting sheet says people want it because they are selling lots of them.

pwi's pocket's are saying people want it too b:lipcurl

Ottogi - Lost City

Obviously you guys need more money, what can we do as players to help the game continue? There must be a way to get the revenue you need without creating such an enormous gap between cashshoppers and non.

The thing is, you've eaten everyones money. Once the anniversary packs go away people WILL NOT spend as much on the game for a while. There's nothing you can do about that. Bringing the anni packs back is a temporary solution.

IDaun - Dreamweaver

Homaru - Harshlands wrote: »

Oh >.>



pwi's pocket's are saying people want it too b:lipcurl

Which, btw, I find kind of funny because I didn't think about voting with my alts (or main, for that matter) until they mentioned it.

Paytah - Lost City

first off ill start by saying that i hate these anniversary packs just as much as the rest of you. the difference with me is im happy they are doing these packs. if you think about it they probably have their developers working overtime on the upcoming tideborn expansion and thus need to pay them time and a half(im in Canada thats how it works here. not sure bout U.S.) and if they work enough then they even have to pay them double time (again im basing this on Canada) with out these anniversary packs they would probably not have the necessary funds to pay there developers so much overtime. and thus we would not be getting the tideborn as soon as we are. so stop with the flaming and accept that the anni packs are probably necessary for the expansion. you can have the anni packs and the tideborn this year or not have the anni packs and probably wait a few more months

Homaru - Harshlands

Ottogi - Lost City wrote: »

Obviously you guys need more money, what can we do as players to help the game continue? There must be a way to get the revenue you need without creating such an enormous gap between cashshoppers and non.

The thing is, you've eaten everyones money. Once the anniversary packs go away people WILL NOT spend as much on the game for a while. There's nothing you can do about that. Bringing the anni packs back is a temporary solution.

b:dirty I think I love you.

IDaun - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Which, btw, I find kind of funny because I didn't think about voting with my alts (or main, for that matter) until they mentioned it.

Haha, me too. I'm considering doing it.

Paytah - Lost City wrote: »

first off ill start by saying that i hate these anniversary packs just as much as the rest of you. the difference with me is im happy they are doing these packs. if you think about it they probably have their developers working overtime on the upcoming tideborn expansion and thus need to pay them time and a half(im in Canada thats how it works here. not sure bout U.S.) and if they work enough then they even have to pay them double time (again im basing this on Canada) with out these anniversary packs they would probably not have the necessary funds to pay there developers so much overtime. and thus we would not be getting the tideborn as soon as we are. so stop with the flaming and accept that the anni packs are probably necessary for the expansion. you can have the anni packs and the tideborn this year or not have the anni packs and probably wait a few more months

They're working so hard for the game they're ruining. If they use anni packs as a way to fund their expansion, they wont have many people left to play it.

Poison - Heavens Tear

Paytah - Lost City wrote: »

(im in Canada thats how it works here. not sure bout U.S.)

The Developers are in China.

DevilLala - Lost City

"Sigh" Why did they bring back those annoying packs, all they do is making it suck to be a non cash user since gold prices become way too high. Buying gold ingame = watching you're coins running away from you're pocket really fast b:infuriated

Homaru - Harshlands

DevilLala - Lost City wrote: »

"Sigh" Why did they bring back those annoying packs, all they do is making it suck to be a non cash user since gold prices become way too high. Buying gold ingame = watching you're coins running away from you're pocket really fast b:infuriated

Nah

buying gold ingame = watching your coins running away into someone else's pocket really fast and watching their real life money running into pwi's pockets

HighlevelEA - Lost City

Ottogi - Lost City wrote: »

Obviously you guys need more money, what can we do as players to help the game continue? There must be a way to get the revenue you need without creating such an enormous gap between cashshoppers and non.

The thing is, you've eaten everyones money. Once the anniversary packs go away people WILL NOT spend as much on the game for a while. There's nothing you can do about that. Bringing the anni packs back is a temporary solution.

PWE hasn't offered anything other than a temporary solution to any problem, ever. There are no permanent fixes. It's like when you go into your living room and you see something you should pick up and you kick it under the couch and it goes away for a while.

Homaru - Harshlands

HighlevelEA - Lost City wrote: »

PWE hasn't offered anything other than a temporary solution to any problem, ever. There are no permanent fixes. It's like when you go into your living room and you see something you should pick up and you kick it under the couch and it goes away for a while.

b:chuckleb:chuckle

rayne36

To repair the damage these packs have caused to the game, and to reduce the price of Gold back to a reasonable amount, (it was 200,000 when I started playing and stayed that way until they permanently reduced the price of mounts), it would take the effort of EVERY player.

Everyone would have to reduce prices in their consignment shops, everyone would have to make the endgame content more accessible. There is a grotesque amount of elitism in this game, and what the elitists seem to fail to recognize is that if you want good players who know what they are doing and are well equipped, you need to help them. Answer their questions, run them through a few dungeons, help them with character building tips and so on.

These anniversary packs have simply promoted elitism to the 9th degree, and allowed players to buy their way to the top. No work, no real effort. It's sad but true, and it will continue to be a sad fact until people outside of this forum start waking up to these truths. The people in this forum consist mainly of people who have worked for their characters and enjoyed what the game is. There are probably thousands of players who don't read the forums, or simply don't post on them, and are perfectly content to leave the rest of us to rot until we waste as much time as they do feeding their egos with PK and level 90+ characters.

Personally I don't feel like have a 100,000,000+ bank account, 500 tele acoustics and a PK score over 5000 (9000? HAHA!). I have a life, a desire to have fun with a game instead of making it my life, and A GIRLFRIEND. (Wow, novel idea on that last note. HUMAN COMPANIONSHIP FOR THE WIN)

I think one of the worst parts of this game, movement speed aside, is the fact that it allows microtransactions. That alone breeds ignorance