Do you feel this game is balanced and fair?

Cotto - Heavens Tear · October 2009

In the beginning of the start and mid-point of PWI alot of people [cashshoppers or not] we on a fair level and the game seemed balance. PWI was just starting and though things were getting implented slowly - everything was good game.

You could grind in-game, level and make money and use things off boutique more often. Remember those days? The days where you could grind and put some money in the bank to build it up for something nice?

And when the 70-80 and even 90s showed off TT gear you had more drive to level and farm because those people [most of them] worked hard for their gear and it was really an accomplishment. People with misties, calamities, 90 gears were looked up to cause of achievement. It was worth busting your **** for things in this game, but is it anymore?

One day - the cost and chip prices on VERY valuable items from Mysterious Merchant drops - now everybody who wants to free-**** their way to good gear gets them for cheap, while others spent time and money gathering wines and farming those. Then dragon quest rewards [the horses] become easy toget for 20 gold - something esle that took time and probably money to get too . The sense of accomplishment dimished greatly. Then people realized things like Frostland and Lunar WERE great gears and if anyone were to able to farm those you'd be god. But they added anniversary packs that basically let you have those without working for those. Where's the sense in accomplishing anything anymore after that? End of the day what's the point of this MMO anymore? nothing. Whats to work for ? nothing.

The unbalanced part comes that after the above stated items were a click away from boutique - the cashshoppers really took over. The ones who spent alot of money outshadowed the ones who grinded in-game for gold or spent money on zen for casual amounts of times. Those people now have great gear [that they really bought instead of earned] and have a advantage pking wise, pve wise. These people also lead gold to 400k+ now, from the 100-120k average it was doing great at. People who have TT90 +3-5 can't always compete with someone who has TT90 +5-7 with Lunar weapons, ornaments, Warsong ornaments and more. Say what you will but it's true. If the +3-5 people want to get to +6 or even +7, they can't do that in-game, so what's the fun in this game if you can't keep onpar without spending alot of money?

the fun and sense of accomplishment in this game has gone down and while it may be fun to some, others disagree.

What's TW nowadays when you can't always afford charms, pots? It's not as competitive it gets frustating. When you want to level to 100 quicker , rebirth is an option but without a HP charm chances to survive just aren't there.

This game has become a playground of who can throw the more money and doesn't care for its fanbase in the end.

I just want to see what people think or believe if this game is balanced or fair anymore, cause i don't. and if the sense of accomplishment is still there.

mazzle · October 2009

Those good ole days when gold was 100k each is long gone, i gotta admit i qqed when it was at 200k but it wasnt that bad, now im seeing minimum gold selling in AH for 500k and max buying at similar, its really difficult keeping up with people that spend tons on the game, i understand pwi is a buisness but seriously the non gold buyers contribute too, if there werent so many of them to buy gold form ah then there wouldnt be as much CSers getting the ZEN to sell.

GMs please do something to fix the economy, it isnt going to get any better with adding more "sales" of items you know players desire.

Xeian - Dreamweaver · October 2009

and the hammer "sale" isn't a sale to non cs players. hammer was 1.7mil (when buying gold in AH) at 5gold now it's 2mil a 4gold... they upped the price on the hammer, as well as everything else. those looking to get battle packs who don't CS, well, we're stuck cause we can't afford it at lower levels. so it's just beaing teasing to us.

StormHydra - Sanctuary · October 2009

Yeah, December/January/February was great. After the JJ event a few months ago it just started to go downhill.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · October 2009

30 years ago how much did a coke cost? Several cents. Its cheap but we cant have it back. Life goes on and so will it on MMOs cause real pple play them. Lets not TRY sound like grandpa and grandma as much as we want it back.

I admit it might have been a bit more balanced then but atm their coming up with new expansions, updating to reach the other country servers that we are EXTREMELY behind in, and they also probably have a schedule to maintain. Things seem a little hectic but im looking forward to the long run when things start to stabilize again.

pple shouldnt play this game if its all about the epeen, especially when its a F2P AND cashable game. Recently the pple i see complaining alot are the ones that cant keep up with playing skills with the pple who have those 'uber' items. AKA some of the QQers rely too much on gear themselves, which they know they cannot get, instead of trying to improve their personal playing style. They would have much more to be happy about really, if they tried to better themselves in skill VS the players who are more well off then them on gear.

The only thing thats remotely unbalanced would probably be fashion/mount show-offs and charms (for PK and TWers). Gear i think can be replaced by coordination, skill, and good use swapping of diff. normal ones. Sadly skill is something pple think only gear can buy nowadays.

Dsr - Lost City · October 2009

seriously I wouldn't call this thing a game anymore; i don't know what it is, but it's only purpose is to force people that reach a certain level to pay because let's be honest, funding your char with other methods, like grinding became pretty much impossible

this is my opinion and i'm entitled to it, I am not accusing anyone that's how i see things at this point; I am still "playing" at a lower pace, i already forgat about things like charms, dragon orbs, i quit my guild and i'm just involved in a broken pvp that sometimes is fun.

so ... fair? NO, because this is advertised like a free game and there is no way you can play for free if you want to be involved in most of the aspects of the game; it used to be possible(when this thing was just building it's player base), but not anymore when the value of your ingame income is 4/5 times less due to heavy induced/controled inflation

balanced? b:shutup

this is not a flame post it is just the truth as I see it
have fun and see you in the "game" b:bye

Minimus - Sanctuary · October 2009

Yes it is more unbalanced than before. But what can be done to change this except voice this opinion again and again? The GMs my have their reasons why the packs came back. Maybe they didn't even decide in favor of a reintroduction. Maybe the expansion restores the balance again. Maybe there comes another epic pack sale. Let's see what the future brings...

WaffleChan - Sanctuary · October 2009

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

30 years ago how much did a coke cost? Several cents. Its cheap but we cant have it back. Life goes on and so will it on MMOs cause real pple play them. Lets not TRY sound like grandpa and grandma as much as we want it back.

I admit it might have been a bit more balanced then but atm their coming up with new expansions, updating to reach the other country servers that we are EXTREMELY behind in, and they also probably have a schedule to maintain. Things seem a little hectic but im looking forward to the long run when things start to stabilize again.

pple shouldnt play this game if its all about the epeen, especially when its a F2P AND cashable game. Recently the pple i see complaining alot are the ones that cant keep up with playing skills with the pple who have those 'uber' items. AKA some of the QQers rely too much on gear themselves, which they know they cannot get, instead of trying to improve their personal playing style. They would have much more to be happy about really, if they tried to better themselves in skill VS the players who are more well off then them on gear.

The only thing thats remotely unbalanced would probably be fashion/mount show-offs and charms (for PK and TWers). Gear i think can be replaced by coordination, skill, and good use swapping of diff. normal ones. Sadly skill is something pple think only gear can buy nowadays.

Yes, because skill can really help you beat people with +8 and higher lunar, TT99/100, citrine/garnet/sapphire gems, savant stones, gear and stones that increase attack level, with enough cash to regularly buy charms, and have more demon/sage skills than the average joe. Have you had a little sip of some coffee to wake you up from your dream world yet? Take a look at our server map, and youll know Im right. Nef spends boat loads on cash shop, on top of the coin flow, we normal people and non CSers cant compete with that. I seriously think you need to rethink your post, as the game has gotten way out of hand as of late, where there is a huge gap in power and wealth with no middle ground. Its just asking for trouble.

mooman321 · October 2009

Deceptistar, good point

OP

I wasn't around for the good old days but here's my 2 cents. I don't play the game to be more well equiped than that guy, or look as nice as that guy. I play it for the personal accomplishment of seeing my character grow and progress, the challanging gameplay and the interaction with other players. If you are the type that plays the game because you enjoy the competative pvp aspect thats cool, nothing wrong with that. You have to realize though that you are going up against a third kind of player: one with lots of disposable income. And there is nothing wrong with that either (unless they stole the money, are charging their credit card beyond thier means or on govenment assistance they EARNED it)

On the cash shop:

I am not a big CSer. In the 5+ months I've been playing I've spent a little less than I would have if I was playing a PTP game and A LOT less than if I was still going to movies and buying console games. I work a full time job and have limited time to play. I classify everything in the game into too categories. Stuff that I personally can earn in game and stuff that would just be crazy to try and earn. Thats a personal thing that every player needs to decide on. The money I did spend went to stuff like inventory/bank stones, basic mounts.....Stuff that permanantly improved my PERSONAL gaming experience. I went to school, got a career and now, although not rich, have some "fun money". So I did EARN the modest bronze charm I buy for the weekends, and the goose i fly around on.

Now the rant (not directed at anyone in this thread personally):

NOTHING IN THIS WORLD IS FREE!! And if you think it is stop eating government funded lunches, taking food stamps and collecting welfare because you are not living in the real world.

QQrs that refuse to spend rl money because its suposed to be FTP: Its not GTFO
QQrs that don't have any rl money to spend: GTFO and go earn some. The game will still be here after you clean out some gutters, mow a lawn, babysit some rugrats or work a shift at the BK.
QQrs who want to be better than "that guy": welcome to the real world, there will always be "those guys". You can QQ about it, or you can go out and do something about it.

Tayrin - Lost City · October 2009

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

30 years ago how much did a coke cost? Several cents. Its cheap but we cant have it back. Life goes on and so will it on MMOs cause real pple play them. Lets not TRY sound like grandpa and grandma as much as we want it back.

I agree we're going to have to just live with it. As for the "several cents coke 30 years ago", yeah that was the case. But people also got paid less. Stuff cost less, people got paid less. Inflation happens, stuff gets more expensive, people get paid more. With PWI, stuff is just getting more expensive but we're not getting any coin increase (like higher coin drops, quest rewards, etc.) to balance out the inflation of gold prices.

Inflation happens. Inflation happening too fast isn't good, but slowly it can be dealt with. Another thing you can do in real life that you can't in PWI is make investments that gain value faster than inflation so you don't lose money. In PWI, you just have to live with it.

Cernunnosx - Heavens Tear · October 2009

I play the game to have FUN (whole purpose of a game) with my friends not to be the best or most uber, and aslong as I continue to do that then all is fine.

Maybe im not the normal MMO playing, if I get my **** kicked by someone, wether they have grinded for GC to pay for refines or lunar gear or even just $ shopped.. I dont care..... I enjoy PvP for the thrill of the fight not the result, so win or lose aslong as it was fun tis all good.

IMO people worry to much about being the best and winning

Kannone - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

30 years ago how much did a coke cost? Several cents. Its cheap but we cant have it back. Life goes on and so will it on MMOs cause real pple play them. Lets not TRY sound like grandpa and grandma as much as we want it back.

I admit it might have been a bit more balanced then but atm their coming up with new expansions, updating to reach the other country servers that we are EXTREMELY behind in, and they also probably have a schedule to maintain. Things seem a little hectic but im looking forward to the long run when things start to stabilize again.

pple shouldnt play this game if its all about the epeen, especially when its a F2P AND cashable game. Recently the pple i see complaining alot are the ones that cant keep up with playing skills with the pple who have those 'uber' items. AKA some of the QQers rely too much on gear themselves, which they know they cannot get, instead of trying to improve their personal playing style. They would have much more to be happy about really, if they tried to better themselves in skill VS the players who are more well off then them on gear.

The only thing thats remotely unbalanced would probably be fashion/mount show-offs and charms (for PK and TWers). Gear i think can be replaced by coordination, skill, and good use swapping of diff. normal ones. Sadly skill is something pple think only gear can buy nowadays.

I totally agree, (added some emphasis too

).

rukhmath · October 2009

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yes, because skill can really help you beat people with +8 and higher lunar, TT99/100, citrine/garnet/sapphire gems, savant stones, gear and stones that increase attack level, with enough cash to regularly buy charms, and have more demon/sage skills than the average joe. Have you had a little sip of some coffee to wake you up from your dream world yet? Take a look at our server map, and youll know Im right. Nef spends boat loads on cash shop, on top of the coin flow, we normal people and non CSers cant compete with that. I seriously think you need to rethink your post, as the game has gotten way out of hand as of late, where there is a huge gap in power and wealth with no middle ground. Its just asking for trouble.

So let me get this straight.

You wanted to play a free game, and "win" ppl who do pay for the game,and still want them to pay, so that u can continue to enjoy playing the game for free?

That about right?

Pannelo - Heavens Tear · October 2009

I don't think the game is balanced but I do believe it is fair.

Players that spends real life money deserve to be in a better position than those that don't. It has to be that way or why would people spend money and how would the game covers it's costs?? People don't develop for the fun of it so the balance has to be that way.

I think the game is fair because although you don't have to spend real life money, you get an a lot of game for free (all of it) and although it would require a lot of farming, players that don't spend real life money are still able to compete (albeit less so now) with those that do.

Although a lot of QQing goes on, everyone would do well to remember that what we have here is an awesome amount of free MMO to play for no cost at all.

Brael - Dreamweaver · October 2009

Cotto - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You could grind in-game, level and make money and use things off boutique more often. Remember those days? The days where you could grind and put some money in the bank to build it up for something nice?

I can still do that. Every day I run cube, crazy stone, wq (with teleports), BH, and the oht quest. Cube/CS/WQ/BH comes to about 500k (average, including my share of wine costs), I pay for this with some time in TT, bringing me to about 3 hours total for all of it. After that any additional playtime I have goes to making coin to pay for frost runs, making coin to build savings, or grinding. With JJ and then anniversary packs if I were smart I would grind less and farm TT more, as it's more time effective to farm coin to buy oracles and level than to grind. I don't do that though, and spend the remaining time grinding envoys/oma's while picking up the wine mats to cover my share of BH's.

In the last 6 weeks, on top of my exp rate from quests I've earned the coin to pick up half of my sage skills, a helm of holy punishment, heavenrage boots, a couple of refines, multiple charms for myself/friends for frost runs, the stamina for my genies (pre 90), some physical resist gear for situations it's needed (oceania master, ancient evil, etc), and have 15 million currently in the bank. Of the coin I earn, approximately 10% of it is earned through buying and reselling, the remainder is earned either through grinding or selling stuff I get. I do have a vendor I can leave up 24/7 but the computer it's on isn't very good and I prefer to have it available for other things so do a lot of AH listings. Unlike most venos, I also have high expenses as I'm actually willing to burn a TON of mana on myriads, which speeds up my squads kill times but places my normal mana usage about on par with that of a cleric using BB, meaning I go through a lot of mana potions (sometimes charms, but that's rare... I can burn a mana charm in a couple hours).

And when the 70-80 and even 90s showed off TT gear you had more drive to level and farm because those people [most of them] worked hard for their gear and it was really an accomplishment. People with misties, calamities, 90 gears were looked up to cause of achievement. It was worth busting your **** for things in this game, but is it anymore?

My gear isn't the greatest anymore, but it's enough to get the job done. You can see it here. I'm upgrading it to level 90 stuff soon, but I'll probably be 95 before then, which is just fine with me, it gives me more time to decide if I want to stick with arcane or not.

I think it's as worth working for gear in the game now as it was before. One fundamental rule of MMO's is that all gear gets easier to obtain over time. Basically, todays great stuff is tomorrows trash. If you take gear realizing it will devalue over time and be replaced by better stuff, or that your current items will be easier to obtain it's not a big deal. All MMO's are like this.

One day - the cost and chip prices on VERY valuable items from Mysterious Merchant drops - now everybody who wants to free-**** their way to good gear gets them for cheap, while others spent time and money gathering wines and farming those. Then dragon quest rewards [the horses] become easy toget for 20 gold - something esle that took time and probably money to get too . The sense of accomplishment dimished greatly. Then people realized things like Frostland and Lunar WERE great gears and if anyone were to able to farm those you'd be god. But they added anniversary packs that basically let you have those without working for those. Where's the sense in accomplishing anything anymore after that? End of the day what's the point of this MMO anymore? nothing. Whats to work for ? nothing.

Cheap gear means more were encouraged to do cube for exp.
Horses don't have an impact on gameplay, you could get something else cheaper that was just as good. The only thing impacted is looks which are a luxury that come at the expense of player power. The only way this hurt you was if the horse only had appeal to you because it's rare, in which case you're a fool as this game doesn't have item sinks on that type of stuff. Over time it naturally becomes more common no matter what.
Lunar and frost were significant differences in difficulty from TT, and depending on class weren't better armor wise, only in ornaments/weapons. Additionally who gets an item from a pack has worked for it, they haven't worked as hard as they had to before (see the previous point, all stuff becomes easier to obtain over time), but they have worked for it. Nothing stops you from doing LG in all it's glory right now either, I should know. I run it.

The unbalanced part comes that after the above stated items were a click away from boutique - the cashshoppers really took over. The ones who spent alot of money outshadowed the ones who grinded in-game for gold or spent money on zen for casual amounts of times. Those people now have great gear [that they really bought instead of earned] and have a advantage pking wise, pve wise. These people also lead gold to 400k+ now, from the 100-120k average it was doing great at. People who have TT90 +3-5 can't always compete with someone who has TT90 +5-7 with Lunar weapons, ornaments, Warsong ornaments and more. Say what you will but it's true. If the +3-5 people want to get to +6 or even +7, they can't do that in-game, so what's the fun in this game if you can't keep onpar without spending alot of money?

My weapon is +6, without spending any money on orbs. Your statement is false. I'm also not in a big faction, infact there's 3 people in my faction total, and we're only in it for easier communication and to not get random faction invites from others.

What's TW nowadays when you can't always afford charms, pots? It's not as competitive it gets frustating. When you want to level to 100 quicker , rebirth is an option but without a HP charm chances to survive just aren't there.

Wouldn't that be the definition of competitive? You're no longer able to get everything (actually, lots are... but that's besides the point) and instead need to put some thought/strategy into what items you take to TW. Competition doesn't mean an equal playing field to me, it means having the ability to win, but having to actually be better than the other person, in ability and preparation. You do want TW to be about more than who has the largest numbers (character stats, attack, bank account) right?

Tayrin - Lost City wrote: »

I agree we're going to have to just live with it. As for the "several cents coke 30 years ago", yeah that was the case. But people also got paid less. Stuff cost less, people got paid less. Inflation happens, stuff gets more expensive, people get paid more. With PWI, stuff is just getting more expensive but we're not getting any coin increase (like higher coin drops, quest rewards, etc.) to balance out the inflation of gold prices.

Your level has gone up. The average value of coin/items the mobs you kill has gone up. The same is true of everyone on the server, this means you've gotten coin increases.

Dsr - Lost City · October 2009

mooman321 wrote: »

Deceptistar, good point

NOTHING IN THIS WORLD IS FREE!! And if you think it is stop eating government funded lunches, taking food stamps and collecting welfare because you are not living in the real world.

QQrs that refuse to spend rl money because its suposed to be FTP: Its not GTFO
QQrs that don't have any rl money to spend: GTFO and go earn some. The game will still be here after you clean out some gutters, mow a lawn, babysit some rugrats or work a shift at the BK.
QQrs who want to be better than "that guy": welcome to the real world, there will always be "those guys". You can QQ about it, or you can go out and do something about it.

I agree nothing in this world is free; however the time invested in here by people who chose to avoid charging real money pays for the gold brought in by cs-ers; if no one buys the gold than there is no money making scheme err i meant game sorry.

Quilue - Sanctuary · October 2009

meh...down with lottery-type events...

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear · October 2009

NinaSkyy - Sanctuary wrote: »

i am a cash shopper. i have spent a lot. even i am not happy with the current state of things.

have any of you even paid attention to duke's shouts on your servers. tell me if its not the same 20 people wining EVERYTHING over and over, in a matter of few minutes.

i paid with rl money to buy a few hundred packs, opened all back to back and got absolutely nothing (meanwhile about 5 people got 6+ best lucks back to back and various gear items). then i spent an extra hundred to just auction gold and guess what, i still cannot afford anything i need/want. and grinding the money would take ages.

What you are saying is that you are not happy with the packs because, after opening a FEW HUNDRED packs you were not lucky to get one of the RARE items. So the packs were popular, and you opening A FEW HUNDRED made them even more popular. Would you been posting here and saying you don't like the packs if you had gotten some lunar gear or shards? By what you said in your post, the answer is obviously no.

This game IS balanced and FAIR, because all the items in CS are available to all players, either by using gold or by buying them from other players from coins.

The fact you have to grind to make coin to buy the items, does not make the game unbalanced.

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Tayrin - Lost City wrote: »

I agree we're going to have to just live with it. As for the "several cents coke 30 years ago", yeah that was the case. But people also got paid less. Stuff cost less, people got paid less. Inflation happens, stuff gets more expensive, people get paid more. With PWI, stuff is just getting more expensive but we're not getting any coin increase (like higher coin drops, quest rewards, etc.) to balance out the inflation of gold prices.

Inflation happens. Inflation happening too fast isn't good, but slowly it can be dealt with. Another thing you can do in real life that you can't in PWI is make investments that gain value faster than inflation so you don't lose money. In PWI, you just have to live with it.

I don't know about you but this event is VERY profitable if you know how to play the market. >.> Buying and selling. Get rich! =D Just takes a little intiative.

Alerean - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Brael - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Your level has gone up. The average value of coin/items the mobs you kill has gone up. The same is true of everyone on the server, this means you've gotten coin increases.

Exactly. I used to consider myself lucky if I got 150k - 200k in an hour when grinding. Now I consider myself lucky to get 500k.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Incarnata - Harshlands wrote: »

All you young whippersnappers just do not know how wonderful things used to be, back in the golden days. Why, let me tell you...!!

*shakes cane*

b:angry

We used to walk up hill to the dangeouns both ways, with snow up to our knees and no shoes in 120 degree weather, while tanking bosses without wearing armor... and we were so poor we could not even afford pots...

Taranta - Dreamweaver · October 2009

To the op:

Yeah, this game is balanced and fair...moreso than other F2P mmo's I've played. I played one that had a L and a C in the name, and if you think perfect world is unbalanced, try that one. (Pm me if you want the actual name) At least here you get the choice to go to a pvp server, and people don't camp the city exits to get points for pk-ing noobs.
Yeah, cash shop has screwed up the balance and shaken the foundations most of the long-standing players have had. Pvp has become a spending war. Luckily, however, there are now other ways to challenge yourself. World bosses, high lvl instances, general mobs. Try to find new ways to enjoy the game instead of just coming here to complain, and say how everything was better in the good old days.

Now to sit back and wait for the rage.

TigerLily - Lost City · October 2009

Most f2p are unfair and unbalanced in many ways. Heavy cash shoppers always have an advantage compared to the casual cash shoppers/non cs users. There is always new patches that benefits the new players more than the old and loyal ones, sadly.

But i actually never played a f2p where u as a cash shopper could get everything you wanted in the entire game if you had a big enough wallet.
In most f2p you have to achieve certain things by actually playing the game, you cant buy everything like gear, lvls etc - for irl money like you do in PWI. Its pretty weird tbh, you can pretty much win the game in a few weeks, only thing you have to do is recharge zhen.

So i guess PWI is far more unbalanced than most f2p in that area. Or its more user friendly for those that are prepared to spend the amount of a better sports car on a videogame. Its not so user friendly tho if you wanna achieve things by hardwork gaming and being a skilled player.

I never had problems making money in game tho, so i never suffered much from the new events/patches and crazy goldprices. And ppl spamming oracles to lvl 90 is just fine by me, this game needs more high lvl players and i need more ppl buying my HH mats b:dirty

Annastasia - Lost City · October 2009

Cotto - Heavens Tear wrote: »

In the beginning of the start and mid-point of PWI alot of people [cashshoppers or not] we on a fair level and the game seemed balance. PWI was just starting and though things were getting implented slowly - everything was good game.

You could grind in-game, level and make money and use things off boutique more often. Remember those days? The days where you could grind and put some money in the bank to build it up for something nice?

And when the 70-80 and even 90s showed off TT gear you had more drive to level and farm because those people [most of them] worked hard for their gear and it was really an accomplishment. People with misties, calamities, 90 gears were looked up to cause of achievement. It was worth busting your **** for things in this game, but is it anymore?

One day - the cost and chip prices on VERY valuable items from Mysterious Merchant drops - now everybody who wants to free-**** their way to good gear gets them for cheap, while others spent time and money gathering wines and farming those. Then dragon quest rewards [the horses] become easy toget for 20 gold - something esle that took time and probably money to get too . The sense of accomplishment dimished greatly. Then people realized things like Frostland and Lunar WERE great gears and if anyone were to able to farm those you'd be god. But they added anniversary packs that basically let you have those without working for those. Where's the sense in accomplishing anything anymore after that? End of the day what's the point of this MMO anymore? nothing. Whats to work for ? nothing.

The unbalanced part comes that after the above stated items were a click away from boutique - the cashshoppers really took over. The ones who spent alot of money outshadowed the ones who grinded in-game for gold or spent money on zen for casual amounts of times. Those people now have great gear [that they really bought instead of earned] and have a advantage pking wise, pve wise. These people also lead gold to 400k+ now, from the 100-120k average it was doing great at. People who have TT90 +3-5 can't always compete with someone who has TT90 +5-7 with Lunar weapons, ornaments, Warsong ornaments and more. Say what you will but it's true. If the +3-5 people want to get to +6 or even +7, they can't do that in-game, so what's the fun in this game if you can't keep onpar without spending alot of money?

the fun and sense of accomplishment in this game has gone down and while it may be fun to some, others disagree.

What's TW nowadays when you can't always afford charms, pots? It's not as competitive it gets frustating. When you want to level to 100 quicker , rebirth is an option but without a HP charm chances to survive just aren't there.

This game has become a playground of who can throw the more money and doesn't care for its fanbase in the end.

I just want to see what people think or believe if this game is balanced or fair anymore, cause i don't. and if the sense of accomplishment is still there.

well stated. there are ways to keep a f2p balanced so that cash shoppers do not have an extreme advantage. PWI has not done that at all. PW is an awesome game that imo has been grossly mishandled.

will i quit? eventually. will i even spend irl money again? nope. not unless there are some fast changes to rebalance the game. which i am not even sure could be done at this point. after being in some of the bigger guilds and getting to know hundreds of players, there are 8 left still active on my friends list. i think that fact speaks for itself.

Cernunnosx - Heavens Tear · October 2009

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

Its pretty weird tbh, you can pretty much win the game in a few weeks

There lays the problem why so many ppl QQ and RQ, MMORPG are not about winning but the taking part, the social aspect with your peers etc.

If ppl are playing an MMORPG to win then they are playing for the wrong reasons and should stick to FPS

WaffleChan - Sanctuary · October 2009

rukhmath wrote: »

So let me get this straight.

You wanted to play a free game, and "win" ppl who do pay for the game,and still want them to pay, so that u can continue to enjoy playing the game for free?

That about right?

Way to blow things out of context, genius. Learn to make a proper analysis before making posts, it helps make you look smarter than you really are. Deceptistar claims people whine because their gear pale in comparison to heavy cash users, and that these people have no skill and rely too much on their gear. That is such a ridiculous comment. There is no way in living hell a group of normally geared people, no matter how skilled, can compete with a ton of level 100 players with their cashed out gear. Legendary (18 land owning fac, first to take archo on sanc, some pretty skilled players) tried, they got wiped off the map. Wake up and smell the coffee, her last point is totally absurd.

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear · October 2009

i so agree! the game has turned into a giant commercial, with Duke yelling all the time about who has just bought what. i truly loathe those...i try so hard not to be jealous, but it hurts anyway when i see him yell about people i know getting something else i wish i had, and with the battle pet packs on sale again, its really going to hurt. prices ingame now have made it imposslble to hope for a battle pet, and for me, it doesnt seem right to blow $200+ in real money (as if i even had it, which i dont) in hopes of getting one. i get a little money now and then as a gift from my parents, and i try to balance between something to make me happy and feel a little better (new clothes being cheapest) and things i need, like storage items. the only way i know now to tr to keep up moneywise is to buy hammers off the cs, and use them on the money chests....

but i digress.

i've tried to recapture the lighthearted freedom of the first days, by starting new alts, but it isnt the same...now i worry about having enough storage (funny, i didnt back then, was fine with what i had from banker quests), never looked at the weeds after i was done with quests needed them, did fine with armour i got in drops....now i play new alts seriously. so that in itself is not the fault of the commercialism, but just me. but the biggest problem i find outside of the money grubbing of company and AH is that fellow players are not as friendly and helpful as they were in the beginning. back then, and even into the 60s, people enjoyed each other's company, wanted to help just to help. i remember going out with friends who had the same level quests, and we could finish up our quests in a snap. now? no one wants to do this....everyone seems to be 'stay away from me', standoffish and suspicious. what happened to the days when you would give a charm to a struggling fellow player, and they would later pass on the favour to another player?

its sad now, in so many ways.

but still, i am here. why? because this is still the most beautiful game around.

Zoe - Heavens Tear · October 2009

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i so agree! the game has turned into a giant commercial, with Duke yelling all the time about who has just bought what. i truly loathe those...i try so hard not to be jealous, but it hurts anyway when i see him yell about people i know getting something else i wish i had, and with the battle pet packs on sale again, its really going to hurt. prices ingame now have made it imposslble to hope for a battle pet, and for me, it doesnt seem right to blow $200+ in real money (as if i even had it, which i dont) in hopes of getting one. i get a little money now and then as a gift from my parents, and i try to balance between something to make me happy and feel a little better (new clothes being cheapest) and things i need, like storage items. the only way i know now to tr to keep up moneywise is to buy hammers off the cs, and use them on the money chests....

but i digress.

i've tried to recapture the lighthearted freedom of the first days, by starting new alts, but it isnt the same...now i worry about having enough storage (funny, i didnt back then, was fine with what i had from banker quests), never looked at the weeds after i was done with quests needed them, did fine with armour i got in drops....now i play new alts seriously. so that in itself is not the fault of the commercialism, but just me. but the biggest problem i find outside of the money grubbing of company and AH is that fellow players are not as friendly and helpful as they were in the beginning. back then, and even into the 60s, people enjoyed each other's company, wanted to help just to help. i remember going out with friends who had the same level quests, and we could finish up our quests in a snap. now? no one wants to do this....everyone seems to be 'stay away from me', standoffish and suspicious. what happened to the days when you would give a charm to a struggling fellow player, and they would later pass on the favour to another player?

its sad now, in so many ways.

but still, i am here. why? because this is still the most beautiful game around.

2 words, Player Greed. As the game goes on the greed of the players goes up. This is plainly evident by prices.

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary · October 2009

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Way to blow things out of context, genius. Learn to make a proper analysis before making posts, it helps make you look smarter than you really are. Deceptistar claims people whine because their gear pale in comparison to heavy cash users, and that these people have no skill and rely too much on their gear. That is such a ridiculous comment. There is no way in living hell a group of normally geared people, no matter how skilled, can compete with a ton of level 100 players with their cashed out gear. Legendary (18 land owning fac, first to take archo on sanc, some pretty skilled players) tried, they got wiped off the map. Wake up and smell the coffee, her last point is totally absurd.

its true. Strategy in PVP is only a % of the battle.. Stats are the other.
We wouldn't have to build such gears if stats didn't matter and i wouldn't have to hear in guild chats about how awesome everyones stats are every time they get a new gear. This isnt xbox, where all the characters are the same, where strategy actually is the main focus.

EDIt.. Oh and no, i dont feel this game is balanced anymore. It was when i first started playing, but after the recent CS events, it has changed.

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear · October 2009

what worrys me is...can it ever be rebalanced? or is it permanently skewed and off center?

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »

its true. Strategy in PVP is only a % of the battle.. Stats are the other.
We wouldn't have to build such gears if stats didn't matter and i wouldn't have to hear in guild chats about how awesome everyones stats are every time they get a new gear. This isnt xbox, where all the characters are the same, where strategy actually is the main focus.

EDIt.. Oh and no, i dont feel this game is balanced anymore. It was when i first started playing, but after the recent CS events, it has changed.

Thirion - Dreamweaver · October 2009

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear wrote: »

what worrys me is...can it ever be rebalanced? or is it permanently skewed and off center?

there is a way to make the game more balanced. ofcorse.
but it require the intervention of the game admins/moderators.

il give you 1 example to the game commernce. right now its 100% free for the users to dictate any price they want on their gold. and since every one's ego sky high when they get a little more power, gold turns over-priced (over the price they used to be).
if the moderators take responsibility to the majority of the gamers, they could install a main price for gold. like a permanent price to the gold you can buy with coins, it could be 200k, 300k, or even 500k. but it will insure prices wont jump above it. so no more overpricing.

but would they do it? .. kinda have to be **** to think they would.
the higher the gold price = the more people will buy it with their cash.
why do you think the anniversary box's returned? out of "popular demands"??
no. it was because they made more $$$. and when the anniversary went out, the slowing steam of $$$ made them panic.

any way. the situation can be more fair (in a socialist way, and not our current capitalist way). will it happen in reality? .. meh.. not likely

Do you feel this game is balanced and fair?

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