Do you feel this game is balanced and fair?

dtz

Thirion - Dreamweaver wrote: »

why do you think the anniversary box's returned? out of "popular demands"??
no. it was because they made more $$$.

If it's making them a lot of money, doesn't that sort of suggest that it's really popular? If it wasn't popular, it wouldn't be making money.

Yuufa - Heavens Tear

dtz wrote: »

If it's making them a lot of money, doesn't that sort of suggest that it's really popular? If it wasn't popular, it wouldn't be making money.

Very true indeed, But when you phrase the reason as "back by popular demand" you are saying that a lot of people asked for the anni packs to return after the event ended.

If it is back becuase of the success and popularity you should say something like "Back due to popularity/success" or whatever.

The phrase "Back by Popular demand" has but one interpretation imo, and to guess and infer anything more, is exactly that. Inferring that when they say popular demand they really mean success rate. But then again im just arguing semantics.

And on topic, no its not balanced, there is or should be a natural progression of things. YOu start at lvl 1, the goal is the next lvl, a little more wealth, then lvl 20 new gear, more wealth to buy that gear, then upto lvl 80, time toi start earning some gear, weather from money u made, or playoing the instances as intended. You get my drift? imo lvl 1's getting millions of coins are going to have a very boring experience in PW, buying everything before they can use it. and having no challenge or obstacles to overcome, and quite frankly little to do.

This alone is enought to make me want to play that Blizzard game again, at lkeast ythere are no lvl 1 running around with ubberleet endgame gear, why cuase u have to DO endgame content to get it.

Cernunnosx - Heavens Tear

Yuufa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This alone is enought to make me want to play that Blizzard game again, at lkeast ythere are no lvl 1 running around with ubberleet endgame gear, .

No level 1's running around in "leet" gear in PWI.. or level 20'.. or 40's or 70's...level restricted gear is a wonderful thing.... yes maybe they are a little richer and can oracle higher quicker but thats no diff than paying someone in blizzards game to level your char for you. pay money > give char > get char back leveled and in leet gear (that service will soon be in the game that shall not be mentioned, if it isnt already ).

The game is only inbalanced in the sense that zen buyers can get things a little sooner and a little easier than non zen buyers, but the non zen buyers can still get the same things in the end.

And lets get kid ourselves, I would bet most of the end game (for now, can see it not being endgame nxt expansion ) gear has ended up in the hands of Lvl 85+ non-zen buyers

Quilue - Sanctuary

Yuufa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This alone is enought to make me want to play that Blizzard game again, at lkeast ythere are no lvl 1 running around with ubberleet endgame gear, why cuase u have to DO endgame content to get it.

and of course, the Blizzard custom map series that had taken over bnet, WOOOOOOOOO DOTAAA!! b:chuckle

dawhitemage

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

and of course, the Blizzard custom map series that had taken over bnet, WOOOOOOOOO DOTAAA!! b:chuckle

lulz nah those suck try Crisis XD its awsome but u need like uber 1337 comp to play it on high quality lulz the battles are EPIC



err... we are allowed to name games not even close to mmos right >_>

and LULZ U HAZ NO SIGGY!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOB

dawhitemage

b:chuckle

Yuufa - Heavens Tear

Cernunnosx - Heavens Tear wrote: »

No level 1's running around in "leet" gear in PWI.. or level 20'.. or 40's or 70's...level restricted gear is a wonderful thing.... yes maybe they are a little richer and can oracle higher quicker but thats no diff than paying someone in blizzards game to level your char for you. pay money > give char > get char back leveled and in leet gear (that service will soon be in the game that shall not be mentioned, if it isnt already ).

im sorry you missed my point, i never said IN leet gear, i said With leet gear.. They bought with money anni packs, got uber gear and millions of coins, buy all there gear 10-20 lvls before they can use it, (or even just as they can use it, w/e) and basically have nothing to do. Dont need to run TT for things, they have it already.

Know what i dont wish to argue this point with anyone, im stating a fact here, and my opipion of that fact, I dont feel like playing this game becuase there is little motivation to play when you can easily get everything you ever dreamed of and more sitting in a damned catshop and like some players said all without spending a single USD on zen. Also without havibg to play the game you rolled your character on either

About paying someone to lvl ur character in blizzard games, yes it is no differnt. Diffenrce is this sort of NON PLAYING playstyle is provided, su[pported and encouraged by the dev's gm's etc in This game. In a Blizzard game thats breaking the TOS and can be and has been for many, promptly banned.

Yuufa - Heavens Tear

dawhitemage wrote: »

and LULZ U HAZ NO SIGGY!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOB

And Lulz you have no Ava

Cernunnosx - Heavens Tear

Yuufa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

im sorry you missed my point, i never said IN leet gear, i said With leet gear.. They bought with money anni packs, got uber gear and millions of coins, buy all there gear 10-20 lvls before they can use it, (or even just as they can use it, w/e) and basically have nothing to do. Dont need to run TT for things, they have it already.

About paying someone to lvl ur character in blizzard games, yes it is no differnt. Diffenrce is this sort of NON PLAYING playstyle is provided, su[pported and encouraged by the dev's gm's etc in This game. In a Blizzard game thats breaking the TOS and can be and has been for many, promptly banned.

Yes but they didnt need to run TT before hand, just had to sell gold and buy mats from AH.. The non playing style has been there since the first oracle appeared and the 1st TT mat was up for sale... anni packs havent suddenly turned PW into that style, and ofc the non-playing style is supported by PWI it how they make their money while blizzards is funded by P2P, licencing out trading card games ( spending $ to get rare gear at the same time) etc etc etc

Yuufa - Heavens Tear

Cernunnosx - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yes but they didnt need to run TT before hand, just had to sell gold and buy mats from AH.. The non playing style has been there since the first oracle appeared and the 1st TT mat was up for sale... anni packs havent suddenly turned PW into that style, and ofc the non-playing style is supported by PWI it how they make their money while blizzards is funded by P2P, licencing out trading card games ( spending $ to get rare gear at the same time) etc etc etc

No it hasnt SUDDENLY happened because of the anni pack introduction. But it is way more prevalent now, and gear that takes months (dare i say) to farm (or insane amounts of gold purchases) is much more easily obtainable with any anni packs giving them out free of effort. How many people are actually running FC and Warsoul to obtain the mats to make that really awesome gear the anni packs are just handing out?

My guess, a lot less. The anni packs exchange directly into tokens, with exchange directly into TT mats, for example. So a good deal of TT mats in the AH are not from people playing TT but using the tokens of luck to get mats.

Before the anni packs, there were no warsoul weapons for sale (or very very few). They where supposed to be the weapon you got to be proud of, to show off, to be leet with due too the time you spend playing and enjoying the content. and +8 or more to gear, freaking hell ive seen so many with refines like that Since the anni pack, thats like **** inducing awesomenss, at least it should be....

Jer - Dreamweaver

TT is not Balance at all
A Veno or a Barb can make tank TT3-1 and 1st pick giant Beast armor and sell it for $4-5m$ (Dreamweaver server)
And the rest of the mats are only like 800k below for other classes to chose from

Taranta - Dreamweaver

Jer - Dreamweaver wrote: »

TT is not Balance at all
A Veno or a Barb can make tank TT3-1 and 1st pick giant Beast armor and sell it for $4-5m$ (Dreamweaver server)
And the rest of the mats are only like 800k below for other classes to chose from

Veno's, however, typically get the last pick in mats, if any pick at all. For most pugs, the veno gets the short end of the stick unless they sub the run. TT is very hard to profit in for a veno if the rest of the group is greedy.

Oh, how I figure profit is this: Time/earnings=profit. Exp gains are negligible and the average drops are horrid. TT isn't really worth it unless the veno subs or solos (not sure on barb, never played one).

Yuufa - Heavens Tear

Ive seem more than my fair share of Veno's boasting how they can solo TT so all the drops can be a veno's

EDIT ive even helped open more than a few TT squad modes.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

BTW we have to take into account, that the blown up gold prices, are cause much by the non cash shoppers. =P

Yuufa - Heavens Tear

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

BTW we have to take into account, that the blown up gold prices, are cause much by the non cash shoppers. =P

Definitely with no one paying insane prices no one could sell at insane prices. However Anni packs (and this constant bombarding of past sales) have enabled and inflated the prices, and that fact is incontrovertible.

The sales and anni packs create pressure for gold, and creating an OMGIMUSThave environment, without this factor gold would simply gradually rise with the servers growth. But its gets artificially inflated much faster. In the real world there are government standards and ruling authorities that prevent this kind of inflation, that set a value to things and monitor the value of the dollar. These kind of controls do not exist in an mmo.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Yuufa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Definitely with no one paying insane prices no one could sell at insane prices. However Anni packs (and this constant bombarding of past sales) have enabled and inflated the prices, and that fact is incontrovertible.

The buying zhen themselves are a constant and same price 1$=1gold basically. So the inflation starts at the auction really. The gold sellers give the buyers a choice price to buy, if its not bought the gold is auto returned to them in about 2 days or so. The non-cash payers are the ones that accept the inflated price i believe. If they pulled together they DO have the power to make the gold sellers lower the price, as some of them are impatient to sell their gold.

Miatemaro - Heavens Tear

Yuufa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Ive seem more than my fair share of Veno's boasting how they can solo TT so all the drops can be a veno's

EDIT ive even helped open more than a few TT squad modes.

And do you realize how long it takes a veno to solo TT? money vs time its not much at all. Unless that veno gets very very lucky. Not like everything drops gold mats for Venos. Did a group run squad mode high 3-1, got 1 horn, 1 beast armor, 1 shard, 2 ribbons. Guess who didnt get mat even though i didnt really need one.

Coraline - Lost City

I dont believe this game is balanced anymore. I mean before everyone was on a mostly level playing field. I mean, people would actually grind and not just oracle ther way to 90..That pisses me off. I hate it when people spend X amount of money to get to 90 with oracles and then act like its a big deal when they finally hit 90. I think ive use oracles when i got them from my supply box and if they dropped from a mob.

There's no sense of community anymore. People just multi client accounts to do HH by themselves because THEY want everything, no grinding parties hardly. Everyone is trying to get rare items ( without working/farming ) for them with the boxes.

Now i kinda ask whats the point of being here. I mean, there's no way I can pk against people with the gear because all they have to do it autoshot me to death


/end rant

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

Miatemaro - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And do you realize how long it takes a veno to solo TT? money vs time its not much at all. Unless that veno gets very very lucky. Not like everything drops gold mats for Venos. Did a group run squad mode high 3-1, got 1 horn, 1 beast armor, 1 shard, 2 ribbons. Guess who didnt get mat even though i didnt really need one.

Yeah.It is not like all those ecto drops you got and still have.

Yuufa - Heavens Tear

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

The buying zhen themselves are a constant and same price 1$=1gold basically. So the inflation starts at the auction really. The gold sellers give the buyers a choice price to buy, if its not bought the gold is auto returned to them in about 2 days or so. The non-cash payers are the ones that accept the inflated price i believe. If they pulled together they DO have the power to make the gold sellers lower the price, as some of them are impatient to sell their gold.

Will not happen, and i have not said you are wrong. And here';s why what you say wont happen, sales come for a limited timespan, thers a limited time to get this ":new thing:" and no one can predict whether or not or how soon such items will be available again.. So thers pressure to HAVE this THING that is on sale.

People have coins, they know especially now the repercussions of this anni sale will go for months to come, ther will be a supply of tokens and oricles and shards and everything else generated and flooding the game now for a while to come. These same people who have all these things stockpile (for later) have the coins to continue BUYING at inflated gold sellers prices in the AH and they will continue to do so. Cause in the end they will have even MORE coins afterwards.

Arguing that the constant sales and the anni pack especially are not the cuase of the spikes and rapidly rising price of golds is pointless. Again without the sales creating a glut for gold there would be no spikes in gold value or demand, and th4ese sales create exactly that, spike the gold price UP and it never settles back down to pre-sales value, becuase there is another damn sale or event that boosts it back up again immediatley after.

Its the minority of uber rich players getting richer and richer that are ensuring the gold does sell at high price, becuase they can buy it, they do buy it and therefore sellers WILL sell at those prices. Who cares about the rest of us who can go on strike and complain and not buy.... fact is the group of rich players will buy the gold becuase they can, and becuase they will come out even better afterwards

Yuufa - Heavens Tear

Miatemaro - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And do you realize how long it takes a veno to solo TT? money vs time its not much at all. Unless that veno gets very very lucky. Not like everything drops gold mats for Venos. Did a group run squad mode high 3-1, got 1 horn, 1 beast armor, 1 shard, 2 ribbons. Guess who didnt get mat even though i didnt really need one.

Why would a veno doing a group TT get less charce at drops than a whole party doing the same TT squad run and sharing the drops out ... I did say specifically in my edit that ive assisted many many veno';s to open squad mode.

Ive never seen a squad mode drop so little, in wihich case as a cleric in a group, id have got only one mats and had you solo you would have gotten all 5. You think a sqaud could (would even want too) run TT3-1 5x times in the time a veno solo'd it to make the number of drops even (ie 5 drop for me, at that abysmal rate).?

Intwerestingly enough, i point out how veno's say they can solo TT, and u go off on a tangent and give me a group example? are we on the same page? (im assuming this was not an example of a solo run, becuase you made a point to say you didnt get one)

Foxx - Heavens Tear

Miatemaro - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And do you realize how long it takes a veno to solo TT? money vs time its not much at all. Unless that veno gets very very lucky. Not like everything drops gold mats for Venos. Did a group run squad mode high 3-1, got 1 horn, 1 beast armor, 1 shard, 2 ribbons. Guess who didnt get mat even though i didnt really need one.

I wouldnt solo 3-1 to make money. As you say it would take too long. 1-2 however and 2-3 (skipping most bosses) are good return for time spent. You can avoid fighting the majority of the trash in both of these by either timing or bramble hood/holy path and jumping down ledges.

Some of the "single" mode instances are pretty good too with the cheap price of ult subs (due to tokens).

Miatemaro - Heavens Tear

Foxx - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I wouldnt solo 3-1 to make money. As you say it would take too long. 1-2 however and 2-3 (skipping most bosses) are good return for time spent. You can avoid fighting the majority of the trash in both of these by either timing or bramble hood/holy path and jumping down ledges.

Some of the "single" mode instances are pretty good too with the cheap price of ult subs (due to tokens).

Exactly solo TT unless you get lucky or have to skip a good number of bosses isnt worth vs time. I wasnt doing it for money. Ive never run a TT for money. ILL repeat this, I HAVE NEVER RAN A TT FOR MONEY it is not worth it for the time vs money (not directed at you specifically fox) . yeap some solo instances are pretty good, however you still need to be lucky and or skip most of the bosses there. Thats the thing most ppl dont realize that its not worth it to solo TT the majority of the time.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yeah.It is not like all those ecto drops you got and still have.

LOL hush you

Yuufa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Why would a veno doing a group TT get less charce at drops than a whole party doing the same TT squad run and sharing the drops out ... I did say specifically in my edit that ive assisted many many veno';s to open squad mode.

Ive never seen a squad mode drop so little, in wihich case as a cleric in a group, id have got only one mats and had you solo you would have gotten all 5. You think a sqaud could (would even want too) run TT3-1 5x times in the time a veno solo'd it to make the number of drops even (ie 5 drop for me, at that abysmal rate).?

Intwerestingly enough, i point out how veno's say they can solo TT, and u go off on a tangent and give me a group example? are we on the same page? (im assuming this was not an example of a solo run, becuase you made a point to say you didnt get one)

Did you not see where I said about the time vs money aspect? the other part was for another poster about distribution and also about the typical drops are. Yes if i had done that run solo all those would have been mine, however due the the time it would have taken to actually do it solo no it wouldnt have been worth it. Squad could have run it about 3x faster than most venos can solo it.

However to stay on topic of the OP yes it is fair and balanced. Thats not changed at all. I dont give a rats rear end if someone gets lucky and gets there stuff when I had to work to get this level. If they are enjoying the game as much as I have great.

WaffleChan - Sanctuary

However to stay on topic of the OP yes it is fair and balanced. Thats not changed at all. I dont give a rats rear end if someone gets lucky and gets there stuff when I had to work to get this level. If they are enjoying the game as much as I have great.

Your freedom of envy is nice and all, but in the end its folly and opinion; it doesn't change the fact the rich keep getting richer, and the poor are remaining stagnant. Its about as balanced as a harpy wraith on one side of a scale, and snow hare on the other.

Thirion - Dreamweaver

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Your freedom of envy is nice and all, but in the end its folly and opinion; it doesn't change the fact the rich keep getting richer, and the poor are remaining stagnant. Its about as balanced as a harpy wraith on one side of a scale, and snow hare on the other.

harpy wraith and snow hare... huh.
well even without the new changes. you have to agree that the game was set like this that the rich gain more wealth, and the poor lose it.
example:
rich= players with invested gear, can TW and win. each land they own gives them milions each week.
poor= players who dident had enough coins to build a good gear (no epic shards and all..) and only lose more coins due to money sinks like skills and what not.

but thats how the game is, i guess

Pressa - Heavens Tear

b:cry QQ bikini in CS b:angry

Darkette - Sanctuary

First off, I have to ask what is fair? What is balanced? The game's developers have as their all encompassing goal the generation of revenue. And for a game much touted as "free to play," these developers are almighty clever in separating many of us from our money. To that end, the GMs enforce a rather unique set of rules suggesting what is fair and what is not. Two examples come to mind immediately.

Territory Wars. Published rules indicate no single faction can occupy more than one major city; yet, in Sanctuary, Nefarious occupies all of them. I suggest the rule is unenforced because Nefarious comprises so many big-ticket spenders. But that's speculation on my part <winks>.

Multi-clients and multi-boxes. A more apt example is the prohibition against multi-clienting (having two accounts on one PC). The GMs claim the prohibition exists to keep the game fair and balanced, but how is setting up accounts on multiple PCs more fair than doing so on one PC? I posit the rationale is those who can afford to play across multiple PCs are more likely to spend real currency on the game than the less affluent player who has access to only one PC.

By any non-PWI definition, there is absolutely nothing fair and balanced about Perfect World, and the developers have done everything possible to incentivise those with resources to spend spend spend on the game. The so-called "events" are an excellent case in point, where PWI dangles the faint promise of a somewhat unique mount, armor, or some other got-to-have, and the spend-for-success crowd goes chasing hither.

In truth, imPerfect World is a perfect extension of the real world. Yes, it is free to play, but those with limited real-life funds should expect a much inhibited gaming experience. Unlike the the real world, where hard work, initiative, and dedication can sometimes surmount the pinnacle, in this gaming world credit cards trump all else.

Enzio - Heavens Tear

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

their coming up with new expansions, updating to reach the other country servers that we are EXTREMELY behind in, and they also probably have a schedule to maintain.

Just because they are coming out with expansions and trying to catch up, doesn't mean every month should be a "sale" Do you know the ones that buy the most are the in-game grinders that grind out for the things they want? Gold was much easier then to get, now it's damn near impossible to most people. It's no longer a F2P game. To even get started the first thing you have to do is load a credit card. I mean seriously, everything that was worth striving for is "a click away" what is the point of a game being fun if you can just load up zen and buy it?

Pegasi - Lost City

Well, I remember when I started playing; looong time ago for me, cash shoppers got advantages they were not given things you actually needed to play the game for. I dare say, that in some cases, actually playing the game is inferior now...

Before you could earn this awesome stuff, like gear, and mounts for dedicating your time to playing the game, but now; there's no reason to play the game. Just gamble and buy stuff. PWI has geared itself to attract people who come in wanting to win, buy it all, and move on when they get done/bored because there's nothing to do.
All this easy gain would make more sense if there was more end game content...
No one I know other than my friend takes their time to quest and play, they just rush, rush, PK, rush, And I usually help them with it because I don't care really, don't care to be the best. But being poor is a disadvantage on this game, one that only grows as time moves on and makes just playing it, kinda hard. If that's the case, and if that's the way people want it, why not make it a monthly subscription and not free to play?
When the economy was more stable you could buy a charm for a decent price and go play, have some fun, PK, but now only people in rich guilds, or those who lack any sort of thing even resembling a life, or just have one hell of an income, get to have any fun consistently and feel good about it.... I mean, I swear it's attracting all these people who don't want to do anything, they just want to win; making the MM part of MMO exceedingly boring.
GM's keep saying they will do this, this will fix that, these will help those but really I think rather than having the wool pulled over my eyes it's being stuffed down my throat. But Wool isn't edible, nor does is taste good; kinda like fallacies, stalling, and promises of things that will fix much that fix nothing because they just got bulldozed by a counter effect.
I'm not s much pissed off about PWI's turn, but saddened and upset because playing the game the way it was intended at first just isn't practical anymore.

And as for the first part of my post, Advantage is not to be confused with Instant Win. If you can't tell the difference it's because you don't want to.

PWI had balance once, but it's gone now. >:

Wolfgore - Heavens Tear

The posts in this thread made me laugh b:chuckle

Hmmm lemme remember an mmo that you cant get in game currency for real money...oooops there isnt one.

I would consider this game unbalanced if the CSers could buy things unobtainable by any other means. There arent any, are they?

I dont fckn care if its hard to obtain some items, they SHOULD be.

Now look it this way: Someone spends a lot of hours going to work. He's propably got to spend 8+ hours with ppl he doesnt even like, do some dull work etc etc. Now that man decides to spend that hard earned money on a game that entairtains him.
Why the **** should some kid playing PWI 24/7 get the same things without working his **** off in game?! Would you consider this fair?

You got a problem pking someone with uber gear? Teamwork > Cash! Call a friend and **** teh **** out of him! MMOs r all about teamwork, Rambos always fail no matter how much money they put on a game.

My only point against this game is Charms. They SHOULD make em availiable through an NPC in game. I would be fully satisfied with that!

b:victory Peace