Assassin / Psychic OP Skills Discuss and QQ Thread

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  • Ty - Heavens Tear
    Ty - Heavens Tear Posts: 604 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Few things to consider:

    2. Those skills are likely including lvl 100 and 79 skills as well, no duration, no spark cost, and no CD is listed on them. Some may seem very powerful, but I could list existing skills the same way to make them seem OP as well. BMs have a skill that boosts phys def by 1000%. Wizzies have a skill that removes channeling from their spells. It's all in the details.

    I agree. Taken out of context with important details such as Cooldowns and spark cost the list of skills given to both class look very over-powered, but we'll just have to put our faith in the developers with regard to balance.

    The Psychic to me looks like an important new class in a catapult squad and an intercept/anti-catapult team. Both skills that improve/hinder the effectiveness of pots and the increase/decrease of charm ticks will play a fairly big role in taking down a catapuller. As will the +50/-50 Attack level/Defence level skills especially if they can be cast on enemies. Imagine being able to increase an enemy cata-barbs attack level by 50 only to have him take 50% more damage over and above amp/poison.
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  • Onlyjayy - Heavens Tear
    Onlyjayy - Heavens Tear Posts: 171 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    can archers use the dagger weapons as well because we will have the same build?
  • Centetric - Lost City
    Centetric - Lost City Posts: 1,528 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    ME LIKEY THE SKILLS.....
    PSY cant control pets tho :(
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  • Silver - Dreamweaver
    Silver - Dreamweaver Posts: 403 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Wow im loving the Physic,WIth its skills, it can either Overdamage a Wiz easily or Tank a boss easy like a Barb :) thats what im talkin bout XD
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  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Silver - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Wow im loving the Physic,WIth its skills, it can either Overdamage a Wiz easily or Tank a boss easy like a Barb :) thats what im talkin bout XD

    It will depend on the cooldowns and mana/spark cost.

    Those parts are not listed.
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  • Silver - Dreamweaver
    Silver - Dreamweaver Posts: 403 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    yah true, but still it could still do major damage....tanking im not so sure about anymore...maybe it can tank...Qingzi lmao
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  • Lady_marta - Dreamweaver
    Lady_marta - Dreamweaver Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    I'm reading this and I see that they gain 50% swim speed while transformed. That's all fine and dandy, but are they going to do anything with the Untamed Swimming Mastery? It's kinda pointless for two races to have the same abilities, even if one of them in broken.
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  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Lady_marta - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I'm reading this and I see that they gain 50% swim speed while transformed. That's all fine and dandy, but are they going to do anything with the Untamed Swimming Mastery? It's kinda pointless for two races to have the same abilities, even if one of them in broken.

    The untamed swimming mastery works for Barbarians, it is only the veno mastery that was removed.
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  • Silver - Dreamweaver
    Silver - Dreamweaver Posts: 403 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Hmm... interestin, but why would they only take 1 class...Why didnt they take Barbs also?
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  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Silver - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Hmm... interestin, but why would they only take 1 class...Why didnt they take Barbs also?

    We may never know...
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  • Kittennice - Heavens Tear
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    I want a daggerb:chuckle. Ninja kitty!

    The skills sound pretty powerful, but I already found some loop holes.
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  • Lady_marta - Dreamweaver
    Lady_marta - Dreamweaver Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    The untamed swimming mastery works for Barbarians, it is only the veno mastery that was removed.

    Well, ok, then that just raises the WTFness. Maybe we could be changed to...I don't know...Running Mastery?

    Still, it makes little sense to make one race of water masters and give another race the same abilities. It takes the uniqueness away from the race.
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  • sefis
    sefis Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Just wondering... Do we have GM confirmation or... By that, I mean the skills don't say everything, just what they do, not what they do at higher levels, and other details. And I'm sure that the accuracy has some issues due to translation and wording.
  • Blood_Flow - Sanctuary
    Blood_Flow - Sanctuary Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Lady_marta - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Well, ok, then that just raises the WTFness. Maybe we could be changed to...I don't know...Running Mastery?

    Still, it makes little sense to make one race of water masters and give another race the same abilities. It takes the uniqueness away from the race.

    A) Venos DO have a "running mastery" Summers sprint!
    B) We barbs have swimming mastery cause well pw loves their barbs >:)

    Really >.> Have you ever seen a fox swim as much and as long as a tiger, not me.

    IF PW is going to make the invisible skill like ANY OTHER game that offers such skills, it will either deactivate once you start an attack or not allow you to attack. Then again you never know >.> its PW.

    And about the skill count, really in my opinion shows your stupidity.

    BM= has FOUR different paths to take, each weapon type having its own skill. A no brainer there.
    Barb= human - tiger form, tanker skills
    Veno= Human - fox form
    Cleric= Buffer class >.> skill galor
    Archer= Who cares, not I!
    Wiz= Different elemental attacks (think 4-5 different attack for the few elements they have)

    The new classes only have skills for A SINGLE set weapon. Of course they are going to have less skills when they can only choose one weapon type, and I am more than sure that is not the full skill list as they are more than likely going to give them special skills for their mermaid/man form. The barb and veno have their own form skills so why wouldn't they?

    Stop your stupidity QQing, and THINK and research a bit before you comment. Ticks me off at how stupid some of you can beb:angry

    Go ahead and flame me, proves my point at your stupidity b:victory
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  • sefis
    sefis Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Blood_Flow - Sanctuary wrote: »
    A) Venos DO have a "running mastery" Summers sprint!
    B) We barbs have swimming mastery cause well pw loves their barbs >:)

    Really >.> Have you ever seen a fox swim as much and as long as a tiger, not me.

    IF PW is going to make the invisible skill like ANY OTHER game that offers such skills, it will either deactivate once you start an attack or not allow you to attack. Then again you never know >.> its PW.

    And about the skill count, really in my opinion shows your stupidity.

    BM= has FOUR different paths to take, each weapon type having its own skill. A no brainer there.
    Barb= human - tiger form, tanker skills
    Veno= Human - fox form
    Cleric= Buffer class >.> skill galor
    Archer= Who cares, not I!
    Wiz= Different elemental attacks (think 4-5 different attack for the few elements they have)

    The new classes only have skills for A SINGLE set weapon. Of course they are going to have less skills when they can only choose one weapon type, and I am more than sure that is not the full skill list as they are more than likely going to give them special skills for their mermaid/man form. The barb and veno have their own form skills so why wouldn't they?

    Stop your stupidity QQing, and THINK and research a bit before you comment. Ticks me off at how stupid some of you can beb:angry

    Go ahead and flame me, proves my point at your stupidity b:victory
    Well, I personally like my cleric and my veno, the psychic sounds like they are combining a the wizard, a little cleric, and a little veno (but no pet?). I mean in terms of what it looks like it does. Damage dealing (wizard), healing and buffing (cleric), damage reflect (veno).

    Anyways, what I'm looking at is invisibility. It probably will deactivate (force you to deactivate), when you attack (maybe using any skill), or when you get hit (aoe). I've played games before where you could be hit by an aoe to get knocked out of invisible (if you are near someone being aoe'd. Also games that make you deactivate (manually) before you can attack (making invisibility stronger since you don't accidentally deactivate yet weaker due to having to be ready to attack). And games where it deactivates if you use a skill/spell/ability/attack.

    But the MP drain does sound like it would (help?) keep it from being too horrid. Though... >_>

    But yeah, my Veno like never goes in the water. I mean, I'll go in there if I have to, but only main reason to go in is hay.
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    I kinda like the skils, and probably most of them will indeed cost sparks or have massive cooldown/mp costs.

    And to everyone complaining about the invisible part, you forget a tiny point:
    stealth
    become invisible, each second cost 5% max MP
    Which gives it a max use of 20 secs, but you'd be stupid to completly drain your mp with it cause than you're over powerfull skils are worthless

    Than I put a few questions at the phycic skil weaken bless
    weaken bless
    make target: 1.reduce 150% HP regen from skills.
    2.reduce 200% HP regen from potions.
    3.the charm ticking duration increase by 2 seconds.

    Reducing something with 200% means you reduce it beond 100% (which is all)
    Meaning, it would mean that when using a potion when cast with this, you'd actually lose the amount of hp the potion normaly heals.
    I don't quite belive it works like that.

    Other than that, almost ALL of these skils seem PvP focuses.
    Mostly the skils where dmg is dependend on the enemy's skil lvl. For as far as I know, mobs don't have a skil lvl of any kind. One of the exemples.
    So I wonder, do the tideborn really have that few skils? They better be spammable than or the phycic is usesless without his reflects (he, a weaknes?b:laugh)
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  • Blood_Flow - Sanctuary
    Blood_Flow - Sanctuary Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    stealth
    become invisible, each second cost 5% max MP


    The assassins are a dex build wont be much MP to burn on this skill! Go get them charms boys and girls!
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  • Blood_Flow - Sanctuary
    Blood_Flow - Sanctuary Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    sefis wrote: »
    Well, I personally like my cleric and my veno, the psychic sounds like they are combining a the wizard, a little cleric, and a little veno (but no pet?).

    I dont see a need for them to need a pet. A wiz doesnt have a pet and they do just fine, granted it is challenging. (no offense to the next statement) Venos are a walk in the park because of their pets... a noob class. granted venos can be a great class if you manage to find a skilled and experienced veno. I myself have a 65 veno and I tend to avoid her now because of the stereotype that has been given to us by the noobs veno. But i dont see why they would need a pet, they already seem to over power the wiz and veno.
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  • Ophelius - Dreamweaver
    Ophelius - Dreamweaver Posts: 208 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    I say take these descriptions with a grain of salt, but I'm a cynic...
  • Silver - Dreamweaver
    Silver - Dreamweaver Posts: 403 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    HA, Venos are nothing without their pets..Period. I have not met a veno yet that could beat me without pet, same lvls at least.
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  • Blood_Flow - Sanctuary
    Blood_Flow - Sanctuary Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Ophelius - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I say take these descriptions with a grain of salt, but I'm a cynic...

    They will be nerfed, no doubt about it. Hell the genies got nerfed, in time though.
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  • Reane - Sanctuary
    Reane - Sanctuary Posts: 140 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    judgin from how many ppl sound excited about it, theres gonna be a massive flood of assasins lol... anyways, it seems that DT goes to the tideborns b:sad I wanna try a phsycic tho b:pleased
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  • Blood_Flow - Sanctuary
    Blood_Flow - Sanctuary Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Reane - Sanctuary wrote: »
    judgin from how many ppl sound excited about it, theres gonna be a massive flood of assasins lol... anyways, it seems that DT goes to the tideborns b:sad I wanna try a phsycic tho b:pleased

    Of course there is going to be a massive population of the new classes...

    Their home town will be the new west district!!!!

    (when it happens.... wait for the "I told you so!" b:victory)
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  • Reane - Sanctuary
    Reane - Sanctuary Posts: 140 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Blood_Flow - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Of course there is going to be a massive population of the new classes...

    Their home town will be the new west district!!!!

    (when it happens.... wait for the "I told you so!" b:victory)

    yay more lag for west arch b:surrender cant they go somewhere else? like directly underneath heavenstear???
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  • Silver - Dreamweaver
    Silver - Dreamweaver Posts: 403 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Im really not looking forward 2 the lag...Not only will there be even more lag in West arch (never thought it could happen) but there is going 2 be major lag in Tideborn starter town...Yay....
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  • Blood_Flow - Sanctuary
    Blood_Flow - Sanctuary Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Reane - Sanctuary wrote: »
    yay more lag for west arch b:surrender cant they go somewhere else? like directly underneath heavenstear???

    The lag is nasty, but you get lag in the other starter cities to due to the
    (as I have seen it)

    Eth - dueling party central!
    Lost- The facebook of PW!
    Plume- The worst of the three, PWs dating service town!

    Who knows what will be cause of lag in the new starter city besides the massive amount of people playing them, buuuut! The town is amazing looking, I got me some screenies ;O b:laugh
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  • Silver - Dreamweaver
    Silver - Dreamweaver Posts: 403 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    eh... I know what its gonna be.... Its gonna be the Dating PWI town... They gonna take the people they met in Plume and Take them 2 Tideborn 2 Swim/fly and whatnot.....great.. XD
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  • Blood_Flow - Sanctuary
    Blood_Flow - Sanctuary Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Silver - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    eh... I know what its gonna be.... Its gonna be the Dating PWI town... They gonna take the people they met in Plume and Take them 2 Tideborn 2 Swim/fly and whatnot.....great.. XD

    So the new town is going to be:

    (what ever its going to be called, Ill just use Atlantis!)

    Atlantis: Honey moon sweet town!

    Oh the joys of this form. -Takes my award for the most posts in here-
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  • Silver - Dreamweaver
    Silver - Dreamweaver Posts: 403 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    psh u didnt beat the amount of post on the other one of Korrens tideborns forums soooo *takes award away* its still mine XD
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  • Devoted - Lost City
    Devoted - Lost City Posts: 3,634 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    I'm putting my money on when an assassin is stealth they move slower.


    If they keep copying another game that is.

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