kowlin

Kowlin is a horrible pet. Its only saving grace is that it is fast, so I suppose you could use it to lure, but a range attacker (eldergoth or cactus) will survive luring much much better.

Most "rare" pets are total rubbish. The small bear is pretty good as an all round tank (tho Id still use a magmite for general levelling), and of course the puppy wins the cuteness prize.

Personally, I use the Lunar Lupine, it is pretty good for Luring, awesome for Debuff with Howl (5), and Light on the purse strings...

my 2 cents...

Snow Hare - another horrible pet. (Not being very objective here)

My guess is that a Lunar Lupin would be an excellent grind pet, but I wouldn't use it as a lurer.

lol i like my kowlin <,<* also i have take up the skills..

Ana_I - Sanctuary wrote: »

well even magmites can be lured well, so i think theres no need of fast pets

Mean used to lure? If so, no way. Magmites are slow enough that they'll probably be hit with mag before getting to target, and mag is where they're weak. They'll also definitely be hit with phys. Almost any pet can be used to lure with, but it takes certain attributes for them to be proficient at it in all kinds of situations.

Kowlin has not so much life..and die fast..but if y know when to heal him..y can kill mobs who are 40 lvls higer..i can kill 106 mobs easy.

david12345 wrote: »

Lol @ thread

Just get a herc.

If you actually READ the rest of the thread, you'd know that everyone has said that the Kowlin is good for luring and not tanking. The opposite would be true for the Hercules.

Lady_marta - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If you actually READ the rest of the thread, you'd know that everyone has said that the Kowlin is good for luring and not tanking. The opposite would be true for the Hercules.

No, the Kowlin sucks at luring.

If the pet dies during a lure one of two things happens:

1. It dies before it has pulled. Annoying, but no disaster, try the next pet (and/or res the pet)
2. It dies after it has pulled. Well, you've got a monster heading towards you - but you've actually saved time on the pull, because you don't need to unsummon, just summon your tanking pet and continue as normal.

The only way it can be a disaster is if you panic and heal it, or something daft like that.

I only lure with the fatboy if I already have the reflect off and am feeling too lazy to click the buttons to save the time. (Or when we want to lure, say, half the mobs but not all of them)

Don't know if the kowlin is itself a particularly good one (since I don't have one myself) but you're dismissing the concept of a luring pet entirely? That seems... mad.

Because as I have to unsummon it to clear reflect anyway, I might as well pull out a faster (or ranged) luring pet rather than pulling the herc out again.

Sure, I *can* lure, albeit less efficiently, with the herc. But unless I'm feeling sleepy or lazy I might as well take that tiny bit of effort and play better.

david12345 wrote: »

Whats so mad about it? Honestly I never saw a point in having a specific luring pet. Are you lvl69? If so then I have no idea why you are not using herc for 100% of your luring.

Sure.. I really want to catch a boss with a Herc that was just summoned, is slightly damaged and still has yet to get buffs. The armored bear has close to the same survivability as Herc using Tough, is faster and has the bonus of coming with Threaten.

Only way I see luring pets having any serious effect is if the luring pet might have a debuff, and even then it might not be worth it.

Your inexperience is showing.

Whilst Tweakz is indeed very annoying to talk with...

...at least part of this annoyance is because he is so often right.

I agree with you that you can heal the tank whilst it attacks/rebuffs. (I was indeed going to suggest that you can cut out time healing the luring pet with a similar strategy, albeit at much greater risk of pulling EVERYTHING)

But with a mob that's been debuffed and pulled you've got a greater length of time to get those buffs sorted out. I'm personally a big fan of 'slow' on my puller (howl seems actively counter-productive and the only decent threaten I've had is on a grimalk that dies as soon as you look at it) - although it does nothing at all to bosses; it's a very nice safety buffer to get your tank in place on anything else.

And I really don't think your herc will always avoid taking a hit on the way in to lure. Many things have decent range to start their channel. The instant-unsummon trick is great, but not 100% reliable. If they follow that hit up with another big hit as you catch it then you're in for a world of pain.

I'm not saying that you can never use a herc to pull. Obviously, you can. It has a major advantage in survivability when doing so.
It's just not particularly good at it. Unless you're really hurting for pet-bag slots (which is possible, land+flight+mount and you need fungus or gold for the next one... but you're already talking about having a herc, so gold is one thing you've got access to) using a slot for a luring pet seems a good investment.

Spending lots of coin putting insane skills on it? Levelling it up very much?
No, that's probably not worth it.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Whilst Tweakz is indeed very annoying to talk with...

...at least part of this annoyance is because he is so often right.

Tweakz is annoying because when there are multiple right answers, he insists that his is the only right one and everyone else's is wrong.

Personally I side with tweakz on the lure pet/herc lure thing. But the option of not having a dedicated lure pet is a viable one too. It just means that in the 1%-2% of cases where the herc does take damage (too much damage by your judgment), you have to abort the lure, heal up the herc, and try again. IMHO this takes a lot more time than having a dedicated lure pet which you can just let die on the initial attempt, so I'm skeptical there's any time savings there vs. having to revive a lure pet. There's also a slightly increased risk of the herc dying at the start of the fight because it was slightly damaged when resummoned.

As for having to spend time leveling up a lure pet, unless the pet is doing double-duty in another role, I don't think the lure pet even needs to be leveled up. If done properly, your lure pet should almost never be hit (ranged pets can be unsummoned outside of melee range, a kowlin is fast enough to close the distance before the mob(s) can attack and the bright red lightshow makes timing the unsummon dirt simple). So there's really little to gain from leveling it up if all it does is lure.

But if those things don't really bother you, then sure, go ahead and lure with the herc. All this debate over best lure pet is about trading off one risk for another. Some people prefer certain risks to others, others have a playstyle which makes them encounter certain risks more frequently. So matching your choice of luring method to what best fits your playstyle should be the goal. Not to come up with a "one lure pet to rule them all" answer.

tweakz wrote: »

Herc HP:4135 pDef: 8952 mDef: 7161 Spd: 8.1 Buffs: Increased Def 150%
Bear HP 3149 pDef: 7618 mDef: 7618 Spd: 8.6 Buffs: Reduced Dmg to 1/2
Lv. 90 stats from: http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/petstat.php

-Survivability is arguable with their default skills.

Just to clarify, against level 90 mobs the herc's 8952 pdef with +150% buff translates into 86.1% damage reduction, or 13.9% damage transmitted. The bear's 7618 pdef translates into 32.1% damage transmitted. With the Tough skill that drops to 16%.

For mdef, the herc has 16.7% damage transmitted vs. the bear's 16%.

So both pets take nearly the same amount of damage with their skills active.

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Tweakz is annoying because when there are multiple right answers, he insists that his is the only right one and everyone else's is wrong.

Here to discuss the topic or mud sling? Who left out critical information in their arguments like the fact that you were disadvantaged by a small screen to begin with? Should I argue that the Huggy Hare is best for luring because it's cuteness holds my attention better? -No, it's an unreasonable argument because it does not apply to the typical gamer. So why not stick to facts and the point of the thread?

Vitenka wrote:

My "Survivability" was comparing the herc to the lure pets I can actually use...

In that case, a ranged pet.

tweakz wrote: »

Here to discuss the topic or mud sling? Who left out critical information in their arguments like the fact that you were disadvantaged by a small screen to begin with?

Tweakz, I stand by my position that the kowlin's red light show makes for quicker and more accurate unsummons. The studies I've read on visual perception and reaction time support this position. It's the reason red is the predominant color chosen for warning lights (like car brake lights).

It has nothing to do with being "disadvantaged". One could make an identical argument that someone who advocates a ranged pet is also "disadvantaged" by having poor reaction time, and thus needs the extra time provided by the ranged pet. But I have never claimed that because I don't believe either to be true.

The kowlin gives you a better alert when to unsummon. The ranged pet gives you more time to unsummon. Which you prefer depends on the person playing. Neither is inherently better than the other.

As for my statement about you insisting that your way and only your way is the right way, I think most people would agree that's an accurate assessment of your posting style and why it is annoying. It wasn't meant as an insult or mud-slinging. It was merely an observation. If I could amend it, I would add that you also tend to take things stated by a person, and try to recast it in the most derogatory way possible (like turning my statement that I find unsummons easier to time with the red lights, into me being "handicapped" with a small screen and poor vision). If that isn't your intent, then I would suggest you reappraise your writing style, because it's certainly the way you come across.