Archer Attack Speed Basics

Suiryujin - Sanctuary · September 2009

fist+demon spark+rank 4 la top+bracer of blood moon = 2.5atk/sec >.> i wiiinnn
i think i get like 2.7 or 2.8 with relentlessXD

Devoted - Lost City · September 2009

With a bow I have 0.91 attack speed. With demon quick shot I get 1.33 attack speed. Quick shot is a 30% increase, can you explain how that gets calculated please. b:surrender

EvAx - Sanctuary · September 2009

The simplest way is to use AtkSpd/(1-%Increase). It's a little off since it gives you 1.3 but it may be because the values shown on your screen are already rounded and the game still stores the unrounded values.

Devoted - Lost City · September 2009

that's what i originally thought but 0.03 is a lot >.>

Mosz - Heavens Tear · September 2009

Devoted - Lost City wrote: »

With a bow I have 0.91 attack speed. With demon quick shot I get 1.33 attack speed. Quick shot is a 30% increase, can you explain how that gets calculated please. b:surrender

its -30% interval from base (just wep)maybe?

Devoted - Lost City · September 2009

perfect world i think just blows at rounding. atkspeed/(1-%speed increase) is the closest i can get but its almost 0.04 points off for some speeds

(1/1.25)/(1-0.3)= 1.14, character screen says 1.18... oh well it works

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear · September 2009

[EDITED]

I've edited the original guide to explain % Attack Speed increases.

EvAx - Sanctuary · September 2009

Yeah PW does suck at rounding -.- it's actually impossible to get 1.33 even if the numbers they give you are rounded.

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear · September 2009

EvAx - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yeah PW does suck at rounding -.- it's actually impossible to get 1.33 even if the numbers they give you are rounded.

Yes, you can get to 1.33. Please see my post above.

Cirdan - Lost City · October 2009

Cal - Harshlands wrote: »

Fist + demon spark + general braces = 2.22 attack/sec b:pleased

(wanna try relentless with it too)

Suiryujin - Sanctuary wrote: »

fist+demon spark+rank 4 la top+bracer of blood moon = 2.5atk/sec >.> i wiiinnn
i think i get like 2.7 or 2.8 with relentlessXD

I'm pretty sure relentless doesn't stack with demon spark as far as atk speed goes. Now that it has been nerfed (I had mine at 31% atk speed increase, but it's now about 15% even when I restated the genie) demon spark is better.

I've put on fists and demon sparked(25% increase) and got my atk speed up to 2.50 atks/sec. I also used demon quickshot(30% increase) and switched over to fists right away and still had 2.50 atks/sec. It might mean that 2.50 atks/sec is the fastest you can go.

Shao_on_Fire - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Mods, can we get this stickied? Fantastic work. Detailed, factual, and to the point. Every serious archer should read this.

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Cirdan - Lost City wrote: »

I've put on fists and demon sparked(25% increase) and got my atk speed up to 2.50 atks/sec. I also used demon quickshot(30% increase) and switched over to fists right away and still had 2.50 atks/sec. It might mean that 2.50 atks/sec is the fastest you can go.

My thanx for this information. Can you tell me what -Interval gear you were wearing, so that I can try to reverse-engineer the math?

Hari - Heavens Tear · October 2009

TT90/99 wrist = -0.1
R8 light armor = -0.1
TT99 2 pieces Light, 2 pieces Heavy = -0.1
☆Deicide = -0.1
Love: Up and Down = -0.05
Energetic Robe: Lunar Glade = -0.05
Demon Spark = -0.25%
1 / 1.43 = 0.7
0.75(0.7 - ( 0.1 + 0.1 + 0.1 + 0. 1 + 0.05 + 0.05)) = 0.15
1 / 0.15 = 6.6667 hits per second.

wutnao. b:chuckle

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Hari - Heavens Tear wrote: »

TT90/99 wrist = -0.1
R8 light armor = -0.1
TT99 2 pieces Light, 2 pieces Heavy = -0.1
☆Deicide = -0.1
Love: Up and Down = -0.05
Energetic Robe: Lunar Glade = -0.05
Demon Spark = -0.25%
1 / 1.43 = 0.6993
0.75(0.6993 - ( 0.1 + 0.1 + 0.1 + 0. 1 + 0.05 + 0.05)) = 0.149475
1 / 0.0493 = 6.67 hits per second.

wutnao. b:chuckle

Barring a cap on attack speed... yes

Alright you heavy archers, get rank 8 and all of the above equipment.

EDIT: Actually, can you wear the rank armor + 2 pieces of TT99 LA + 2 pieces of TT99 HA?

Joshcja - Sanctuary · October 2009

fisties dub:cute

....tryin tu steal out greatest secret tha great 5 attacks per second...nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuub:shocked

Hari - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Barring a cap on attack speed... yes

Alright you heavy archers, get rank 8 and all of the above equipment.

EDIT: Actually, can you wear the rank armor + 2 pieces of TT99 LA + 2 pieces of TT99 HA?

TT99 bracers, TT99 legs or boots (light)
TT99 jewelry (heavy)
R8 top

Because jewelry gives the set bonus, you don't even need any special stats beyond those for deicide

Edit: rounding error... bah. Actually works out to 6.69 atk/s... changed the above to reflect that.

P.S: I've seen archers with all of the above gear, just not all on one person. i.e. I know archers with all that event gear, but not rank 8, or deicide, but not rank 8 or all the event gear... if one got all the above though, all I can say is wtfpwnage.
Because they'd be attacking at 6.7 atk/sec, they'd fill their chi bar like twice over before demon spark wore off... meaning they could have a permanent demon spark by just sparking every 15 seconds (they'd have more than enough chi).

That would mean an archer would be hitting you once every ~0.15 seconds, with grade 13 fists (who knows what refines they'd have, but I'm guessing ~+8), and a demon spark bonus. Add to that all the crazy stats all the event gear + TT99 gives, and, well... I wouldn't be surprised if this archer could take down a 30k HP and pdef barb in 5 seconds flat.

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Hari - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Edit: rounding error... bah. Actually works out to 6.69 atk/s... changed the above to reflect that.

Sort of. Do the math using Attack Durations.

1.43 attacks / second is 0.70 seconds per attack (see The Chart).
After subtracting everything, you get an attack duration of 0.15 seconds per attack.

1/0.15 = 6.6666666666~ attacks per second. In other words, 6 2/3 attacks per second.

Hari - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »

This would only work if attack speed were not capped, and I imagine it is capped. Also, this would only work if you had something alive to pound on for long enough, and I am having trouble imagining how that would work.

You would realistically only be able to to this on bosses, as even in PvP I would imagine a demon spark - stun - then just regular attack would kill anything before you would need to spark again. Also, I'm fairly sure it's not capped, as on another server I believe I've managed to hit 2.8 atk/sec on an archer, which is more than the 2.5 stated earlier. I could be wrong about that though, or PWI could have a cap that isn't on other servers.

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Sort of. Do the math using Attack Durations.

1.43 attacks / second is 0.70 seconds per attack (see The Chart).
After subtracting everything, you get an attack duration of 0.15 seconds per attack.

1/0.15 = 6.6666666666~ attacks per second. In other words, 6 2/3 attacks per second.

Right, lol. Forgot that the 1.43 itself was rounded b:surrender.

Legerity - Sanctuary · October 2009

Hari - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You would realistically only be able to to this on bosses, as even in PvP I would imagine a demon spark - stun - then just regular attack would kill anything before you would need to spark again. Also, I'm fairly sure it's not capped, as on another server I believe I've managed to hit 2.8 atk/sec on an archer, which is more than the 2.5 stated earlier. I could be wrong about that though, or PWI could have a cap that isn't on other servers.

Right, lol. Forgot that the 1.43 itself was rounded b:surrender.

There was a recent poster who said the max was 5 attacks a second. Still waiting for visual confirmation/proof though.

kalden · October 2009

fist/claw : 0.1(normal atk rate is 1.43)
Sleeve : 0.1
Armor : 0.1
Set *2 : 0.05
Set *2 : 0.05
Cape : 0.05

And lastly demon spark and red bubble. b:dirty

You should get 5.0 attacks per second and epic crits! It gonna be hardwork. There is a risk that you're gonna be whined at with that speed.

Hari - Heavens Tear · October 2009

kalden wrote: »

fist/claw : 0.1(normal atk rate is 1.43)
Sleeve : 0.1
Armor : 0.1
Set *2 : 0.05
Set *2 : 0.05
Cape : 0.05

And lastly demon spark and red bubble. b:dirty

You should get 5.0 attacks per second and epic crits! It gonna be hardwork. There is a risk that you're gonna be whined at with that speed.

Add in event tome, and subtract the red bubble. Works out to 6.667 hits per second, see last page b:cute

MrConce - Harshlands · October 2009

Kusider - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Relentless courage is better. Makes my 0.80 attack speed go to 1.05 and higher as I level it. Perhaps worth mentioning there are skills that can help.

Good alternative for those who dont have Demon Quickshot. =]

MrConce - Harshlands · October 2009

kalden wrote: »

fist/claw : 0.1(normal atk rate is 1.43)
Sleeve : 0.1
Armor : 0.1
Set *2 : 0.05
Set *2 : 0.05
Cape : 0.05

And lastly demon spark and red bubble. b:dirty

You should get 5.0 attacks per second and epic crits! It gonna be hardwork. There is a risk that you're gonna be whined at with that speed.

Red bubble doesnt stack with triple spark and vice versa.

kalden · November 2009

MrConce - Harshlands wrote: »

Red bubble doesnt stack with triple spark and vice versa.

Damn. I forgot about the tome. I got carried away with rb :P . Hmm,

1.43----0.7---default
1.67----0.6---weapon
2.22----0.45---ashura set
2.5

0.4---accessory
3.33----0.3---armor

With demon spark u get 5.0 in game but calculation should be 4.44 (?)
4.0----0.25---cape
5.0----0.2---tome

This is weird. b:shocked b:shocked b:surrender

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear · November 2009

kalden wrote: »

Damn. I forgot about the tome. I got carried away with rb :P . Hmm,

1.43----0.7---default
1.67----0.6---weapon
2.22----0.45---ashura set
2.5
0.4---accessory
3.33----0.3---armor With demon spark u get 5.0 in game but calculation should be 4.44 (?)
4.0----0.25---cape
5.0----0.2---tome

This is weird. b:shocked b:shocked b:surrender

If you have attack duration of 0.30 seconds / attack, then with Demon Spark (25% faster), you get:

0.30 * (1-0.25)
0.30 * (0.75)
0.225

Round this down, you get 0.20 seconds / attack.

That comes out to 5.00 attacks / second.

Devoted - Lost City · November 2009

why are you all thinking of fists anyways b:angry

we don't have stuns or fist mastery. do the same but use a bow.

i've been saying fists are OP for a long time b:angry

kalden · November 2009

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If you have attack duration of 0.30 seconds / attack, then with Demon Spark (25% faster), you get:

0.30 * (1-0.25)
0.30 * (0.75)
0.225

Round this down, you get 0.20 seconds / attack.

That comes out to 5.00 attacks / second.

round down huh. Haven't thought of that.

Ok so the NEW SPEED is 6.67. Ah man I'm outdated.

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear · November 2009

This is the set of steps you need to compute your new Attack Speed. Remember that all math is done using Attack Durations, not Attack Speeds.

1) Convert Attack Speed to Attack Duration (use The Chart above).
2) Use this formula to compute your new Attack Duration:
____New Attack Duration = Attack Duration * (1.00 - Speed Increase %)
3) Round down to the nearest valid Attack Duration (0.05 increment).
4) Convert rounded Attack Duration to Attack Speed (use The Chart above).

Quoted the relevant section for you, Kalden.

kalden · November 2009

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Quoted the relevant section for you, Kalden.

The round down is kinda a big bonus. Thanks.

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear · November 2009

Cirdan - Lost City wrote: »

I've put on fists and demon sparked(25% increase) and got my atk speed up to 2.50 atks/sec. I also used demon quickshot(30% increase) and switched over to fists right away and still had 2.50 atks/sec. It might mean that 2.50 atks/sec is the fastest you can go.

Let's see. Attack duration:

+ 0.70 ... Fist
- 0.10 ... Bracers of Blood Moon
- 0.05 ... Rank 4 Chest

+ 0.55 Seconds / Attack.

-- Demon Spark - 25%.

0.55 * (1-0.25)
0.55 * (0.75)
0.4125 seconds / attack.

Round down to 0.40 seconds / attack. That's 2.50 attacks per second.

-- Demon Quickshot - 30%

0.55 * (1-0.30)
0.55 * (0.70)
0.385 seconds / attack.

Round down to 0.35 seconds / attack. That's 2.86 attacks per second.

Possible theories:

1) There is a limit at 2.5 attack/second for attack speed.

OR

2) I'm wrong in my guide.

I think I'm wrong. The reason why I had originally concluded "Round Down" was b/c of example 3, in my guide. In that example, the new Attack Duration of 1.276 sec/attack became 1.25 sec/attack.

Now I think the steps should be to truncate to 2 decimal places, and *then* round to nearest valid attack duration. So, for Demon Quickshot case, 0.385 truncates to 0.38, which rounds to 0.40 seconds / attack, which is the same as Demon Spark.

So the new steps would look like this:

1) Convert Attack Speed to Attack Duration (use The Chart above).
2) Use this formula to compute your new Attack Duration:
____New Attack Duration = Attack Duration * (1.00 - Speed Increase %)
4) Truncate to 2 decimal places.
4) Round to the nearest valid Attack Duration (0.05 increment).
5) Convert rounded Attack Duration to Attack Speed (use The Chart above).

Can people verify with various equipment combinations and varous speed increases? I'd like to correct this if this is a mistake.

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