effects of BH

if you rly think about it this is there way of making more money, you need to buy the mats/wines but you have no money, so what do you do? charge zen then sell it which then bumps up prices of gold which means more people will buy the gold which means more people will charge zen to get top dollar in game

BH=150k expi
CS=106K
WQ=100K
cube=350K
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50%expi


and i do all of these daily... so now, i have no time to do my regular mob quests...b:victory

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

See, that would be why you can do it in quarter of an hour.

We had most people 67 or less and one 80.

Which bosses did you have to do for your BH? Zimo requires 13 things killed to reach, the wood guy I forget, I think it's 14, Qingzi or whatever the water one is called needs 14 (though it's faster to kill 15), Drake needs 11, and the earth one takes 21 I think (I've only done that wing when absolutely necessary, my memory isn't as good with it). A full squad of high 60's should be able to do each wing in no more than 15 minutes, that's 10 to clear and 5 for a boss. You had higher than that due to the 80, if it took you several hours you were doing something wrong. For comparison, soloing 59 I can do a full clear of the water wing (excluding the boss) in about 39 minutes, and involves killing 72 things, complete with all those turtles running around killing my time. Coincidentally, that's 1 less than a full clear without wine will take you to reach all five bosses. I know a squad of mostly 67's with an 80 would be able to put out more damage than a single 80 veno (haven't done a timed run since then) so the only conclusion is, you were doing something wrong.

Brael - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Which bosses did you have to do for your BH? Zimo requires 13 things killed to reach, the wood guy I forget, I think it's 14, Qingzi or whatever the water one is called needs 14 (though it's faster to kill 15), Drake needs 11, and the earth one takes 21 I think (I've only done that wing when absolutely necessary, my memory isn't as good with it). A full squad of high 60's should be able to do each wing in no more than 15 minutes, that's 10 to clear and 5 for a boss. You had higher than that due to the 80, if it took you several hours you were doing something wrong. For comparison, soloing 59 I can do a full clear of the water wing (excluding the boss) in about 39 minutes, and involves killing 72 things, complete with all those turtles running around killing my time. Coincidentally, that's 1 less than a full clear without wine will take you to reach all five bosses. I know a squad of mostly 67's with an 80 would be able to put out more damage than a single 80 veno (haven't done a timed run since then) so the only conclusion is, you were doing something wrong.

FB. Not bounty. I keep saying this. The win was for the FB.

I'm sure as heck not wining a bounty, especially for 59 where, as you point out, the hub design lets you avoid most of the monsters on the way to the boss.

XbladeXBm - Dreamweaver wrote: »

- Finding out how many Veno's with hercs are actually bad at playing their class. ie: Luring with spells rather than the pet and pulling 5+ mobs = dead veno, cleric lol

From my own experience, most herc veno's ive seen really do suck at playing their character. Seems like most of them stand back and let the pet do all the work. Others ive seen, wonder why they wind up dead after nuking mobs while the herc is trying to tank and steal aggro. Im not saying all because I have seen plenty of herc veno's who know their role. Makes me wonder why herc veno's get more squad invites than non herc veno's. because the pet doesnt make the veno a good skilled player unless they know how to use it. At lv77 Ive killed multiple mobs alot faster than alot of herc veno's who only kill single mobs. lol

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

FB. Not bounty. I keep saying this. The win was for the FB.

I'm sure as heck not wining a bounty, especially for 59 where, as you point out, the hub design lets you avoid most of the monsters on the way to the boss.

My argument still applies to a full clear, and assumed it. Doing an FB59 or a BH where you clear all 5 bosses is the same thing. You only have to kill 73 things, that includes the initial 9, though I didn't include a gatekeeper. You were clearing more than what was necessary, not that there's anything wrong with that... people do like stamps afterall but you need to keep in mind, if you were clearing more than the minimal amount, the tradeoff is that it will take you longer and you'll be trying to compare a number of someone elses minimal clear to your clear that includes many more mobs which completely negates any time comparisons.

As I pointed out before, ~39 minutes for me at level 80 to kill 72 things. If a squad of mid-high 60's plus a level 80 can't also kill 73 things in that same time frame, you're either doing something wrong or aren't trying to reach only the bosses and kill them.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You do realise that luring only works safely with 'tame pet' not other spells, right? Grabbing every nearby monster isn't the conventional meaning of luring.

The mechanic seems to be the same one that allowed genies to bring things solo, that being a non damage skill. I would think you could also do it with amplify, soul degeneration, or purge on non aggressive monsters (on something that's aggressive you need to get too close), not that I know why you would want to, and haven't ever been in a situation where I need to try it.

A veno can do Farren with a Magmite at 53 with no issues. Also, 3/6 classes can reliably interrupt AE's (Veno with Shriek, BM with their skill, Barb with Alacrity). Not sure why anyone would need a Barb/Cleric for that.

Blancheneige - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Loling back at you.

Luring with a spell is much better than with a pet.

1 - Only the mob targetted with the spell will be lured.

2 - no need tu unsummon/resummon the pet = can take aggro faster without much risks.

But doesnt that differ depending on which spell is used ?

Since i pretty sure the Veno's I mentioned were casting Venomous Scarab and pulling 5+ mobs at a time, even had one send in her Herc and then cast the spell at the mob, so the herc had to back track since the mob ran past it towards the squad.

Note: Not saying all Veno's are bad, once again ive squaded with some great ones, but IMO if a person get their herc to soon ingame,then they count to much on its tanking skills and dont learn how to play their class properly, like those Veno's who havent got their Herc until later in their game cycle

Minimus - Sanctuary wrote: »

Bh is a nice bacause ppl squad up who didn't play together before. But getting xp became too easy by bh. Will it result in having a lot of 95+ lvls soon?

Nope not untill they can get their FBs done first and on Sanc it is slow going to get a squad.I have been sitting there since Sunday.

Ritsukii - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i dont care about molds. u wine u keep.

Yesterday, cleared my own BH (69), Got Cape of Tauran Chieftan, and a 3* (Already sold for 8m), then cleared Eden and got Ring of Heavenly Lord and Sage Garrotte in addition to 5 apo pages hundreds of thousands of DQ's, etc while helping 5 other people. I'm loving BH!

well if u dont like spending cash for wines then dont...just dont do the bh and go grind. on my server because of bh and recent 2 events alot of ppl got 80 and 90 so there is a huge flow of tt mats on server. I dont think bh is bad but when i get 89 brimstone bh ... and wine it then notice half of the mobs are still there well thats a waste. anyway bh is a nice alternative to wq which in my opinion is to long and boring.

Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »

Why would people wine a BH 59??? Don't they know about the sheer quantity of Darkness Stamps you get for pounding through? I could understand an FB, but a BH? *facepalm*

Shhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!

Wouldn't want every one to get Rank-led.... lol

Well, it's been a good long time now since BH was introduced - and it looks like a success to me.

There's always tonnes of people at the hunter getting together their squads.

Mat prices seem to have stabilised somewhat, people seem generally competent at running them.


And yes, the barbs in my guild still think those of us who do FB59 unwined are crazy. Full FB this week took 3 hours, but was great fun. Just the sheer number of fights we had to do takes ages.


BH also means that we see a LOT more purples (what on earth will our guild do with a second purple slingshot?) and a few more molds. Very nice.

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

OOORRRRRR

you can NOT qq

and do unwined runs...


omg its a miracle! you save money and exp!

I can't believe it, but I'm actually agreeing with you here Sticky...

Yesterdays dialog at head hunter:

someone: "hey Cold, can you help with bh?"

me: "which one?"

someone:"bh79"

me:"k need it as well"

someone: "costs you 70k for wine then"

me:" na..then ty no, costs on mp charm now like +200k for each bh"

someone: "lol good luck finding a squad where you dont have to pay"

5min later....

someone: "comeon need a cleric"

me:"then i wont pay 70k for wines and you keep my drops"

someone: "b****, you never help me" (FYI: i did 6hrs bosses and 5bhs for another 3hrs for fact members on this day)

.....

20min later in fact chat

someone: "can anyone help me with bh29?"

me:"go to arch-center. there are like 3k other ppl who needs it as well"

someone: "but with higher lvls its faster...you can solo it"

me:"k costs me only my mp-charm which costs me 1+ mil every second day now"

someone: "pleeeeeeease"

me:"...sighs...ok get ppl to squad who needs it as well, omw" (after beeing called a b**** and not helpful ....)

someone:"ty "

(getting in squad..only 2 ppl..-.-)

20min later on wc: "WTB mp-charm, pm me offers pls"

someone: "hey cold i sell you one for 1,25mil" <---same one who needed bh29 b:angry

me:"....sold"

Welcome to my life...