FB tabbers dont deserve drops
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Okay then. There is 1 solution to your problem. Just run the fb without tabs. Go ahead. Spam fb 19 and farm molds. No one is stopping you.0
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Yeah, lol.
Want to help a friend. Well make wine farm what ever FB you like.
But on someones FB, the mold + 3* got to tabber.
Btw, all you said shows what a newbie you are b:byeb:dirty0 -
still giving out kicks to tears ginormous testicles.
why is anyone taking his post seriously. Thats not a question.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Eleckzar - Heavens Tear wrote: »This post is Pure WIN.
The OP has desended into such a state of morbid stupidity because of a cursed video thats doing its rounds on the internet.
Whatever you do DONT WATCH THE VIDEO OR YOU`LL GO STUPID IN 7 DAYS...
Documentary on Ghosts captured on film ~Directors Cut~
Damn you.....
I've killed some brain cells in my life, I don't have anymore to spare.The only way to win is to quit. b:bye0 -
DollParts - Sanctuary wrote: »still giving out kicks to tears ginormous testicles.
why is anyone taking his post seriously. Thats not a question.
While his wording is questionable, he does bring up a point. Which is also making some of us ponder why the trend has become established.0 -
It is not a "trend" it is a preference with players. Questionable wording? wow... if someone can not state how they feel without insulting not only those who are doing the act but those who disagree with their post then its more than questionable. I do more than question the wording, also the character of the person posting.
If you felt the cashier in wal mart was moving to slow you may consider the fact that she's a 60 year old woman and shrug it off. Most people would not outright insult and call names to someone who is only doing merely what she thought was her best. Same applies here when its your Fb you do your best for your class. Unfortunately clerics have a 1 up here as they can help heal the tanker. Which is probably more useful than any other tabber on an fb. To call them the string of obsenities that ensued was just down right making them look like the very names they were calling others.
In the end on the subject, to each their own. But common courtesy in the way you post here is not too much to ask for. If you can start out a thread like this expect the flames and more. She's stated several times that she likes to troll... which according to the forum rules is also a bannable offense. Eventually... it will all balance out.Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »While his wording is questionable, he does bring up a point. Which is also making some of us ponder why the trend has become established.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Why was the trend established you ask Isala?
Well there is a limited played reaching levels 19, 29, 39, 51, etc. So the answer is simple, competition. There are plenty that want to run someone else's FB. At first it wasn't tabber gets drops, if the person got a mold/3* he kept it, plain and simple. But now there are a lot of people who want to do FB's for the exp and rep, and so they began having to compete with each other to get them. So eventually people began offering to give all the drops to the tabber so they would get the FB over people who wouldn't.The only way to win is to quit. b:bye0 -
BratFury - Heavens Tear wrote: »If you felt the cashier in wal mart was moving to slow you may consider the fact that she's a 60 year old woman and shrug it off. Most people would not outright insult and call names to someone who is only doing merely what she thought was her best. Same applies here when its your Fb you do your best for your class. Unfortunately clerics have a 1 up here as they can help heal the tanker. Which is probably more useful than any other tabber on an fb. To call them the string of obsenities that ensued was just down right making them look like the very names they were calling others.
Um, sorry to argue with you, Brat, but I'm a 22 year old cashier in Wal-Mart, and a lot of those 60 year old women are more than capable of moving much faster than they do. I constantly get annoyed that my coworkers not pulling their own weight. We get graded on our speed, and when I more than double the required scanning speed while they don't even reach it, they should be moving faster. Especially when it's those same (seriously resisting the urge to go on a rant here...) "people" who accuse me of not doing my job.
Edit: That makes a lot of sense, DarkSniper. I didn't think it was one of those "Goodness of our hearts" deals. Thank you.0 -
lol -Who cares how hard you work for Walmart? They're a company that thrives on slave labor. The best slaves are the ones that are convinced they're not slaves,Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0
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lol -Who cares how hard you work for Walmart? They're a company that thrives on slave labor. The best slaves are the ones that are convinced they're not slaves,
Hey, as long as I get my paycheck, I really don't care if I am a "slave", as there are much crappier jobs out there, and at least my job has some security to it.0 -
Isala this was purely metaphorical. I did my stent in wal mart as well. I more than know how it works and the "grading" scales. Nothing against 60 year old women either. It was "metaphorically" speaking.Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »Um, sorry to argue with you, Brat, but I'm a 22 year old cashier in Wal-Mart, and a lot of those 60 year old women are more than capable of moving much faster than they do. I constantly get annoyed that my coworkers not pulling their own weight. We get graded on our speed, and when I more than double the required scanning speed while they don't even reach it, they should be moving faster. Especially when it's those same (seriously resisting the urge to go on a rant here...) "people" who accuse me of not doing my job.
Edit: That makes a lot of sense, DarkSniper. I didn't think it was one of those "Goodness of our hearts" deals. Thank you.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
mikeymanman wrote: »They don't, period, end of story. It is ridiculous that these children have the audacity to sit back and do nothing most of the time, then expect to reap the rewards, and leave us runners empty handed. That is a quest they could not accomplish otherwise alone, and they are recieving a favor. Undoubtedly, one could expect more than just a miniscule amount of reputation and experience as gratitude!
On the other hand, for every person like me, there is a conformist willing to abide by these rules in order to fufill his own agenda as reputation is hard to come by. One can attempt Justice Quests, and One Man Armies within about an hours time, amass some experience, and a sliver of rep. Or they can work in a similar amount of time for nearly double the reputation these give.
Either way, one is working, and one should recieve rewards for doing such.
The tanker, he will undoubtedly have rapidly diminishing durability on his equipment, and charm as he holds the aggression of the mobs at hand. The healer, will suffer the same fate as the tanker if not even more if he required to use Regeneration Aura for said mob. The list can surmount to numerous reasons of why the runners would need disbursment from a share of expensive molds!
Little noobs do not 'deserve' million dollar molds, and the thought that they do makes them as 'greedy' as he who wants a share or to take that mold!
So hats off to you greedy piglet noobs!
I see the irony in your post, you're calling those tabbers "Greedy piglet noobs" when you, yourself probably wanted the drops, making you sound greedy in return.0 -
All I can say is good luck getting any fuben runs if you say by the way we split the drops. You might get a first timer ocassionally. You always have the option of....not going on fb's if you don't like them. I do fb run's pretty regularly and have some barbs who solo them. If it's not a wined fb then at most they need like a 5k repair. It's not huge or even comparable to say an HH run.Spoons you will forever be missed in this community0
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OP's rant basically boils down to: "Tabbers don't deserve the drops in FB runs, but I deserve to have them come tab my FB run (where I get all the drops) so I get extra rep and exp."Aesprika - Sanctuary wrote: »I see the irony in your post, you're calling those tabbers "Greedy piglet noobs" when you, yourself probably wanted the drops, making you sound greedy in return.
In a free trade system, sellers can't raise prices, all they can do is lower them. Buyers cause price increases by raising their bid. So tabbers aren't the cause of the "tabber gets drops" rule. FB runners who want to do more tabbed FBs than other runners came up with it as a way to make it more likely that the tabber will pick them for the FB. The source of the greed that made the rule are the FB runners who want the easy rep and exp of tabbed FB runs. Like the OP.0 -
Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »While his wording is questionable, he does bring up a point. Which is also making some of us ponder why the trend has become established.
This is the other side of greed that nobody wants to admit.
Lets be honest. The reason people say tabber keeps drops is because you want their business. You are greedy and want all the FBs you can get.
When I started, it was not uncommon to pay the party for them to run your FBs, and on average, you waited a few days until you could find a party of higher levels to help you. On a good day there was one room with FB helpers..... and you had a long way to wait.
Now the supply of helpers is higher, therefore the tabber can easly find 10+ rooms offering to help with FBs. As Lazers said, it is all about supply and demand. There are more high levels wanting to help than tabber needing help.
Guilds that had lots of land, started the all "tabber keeps drops" when advertising in WC. Their money came from TW, so they started to line up people for FBs by promissing the tabber the drops. It started with FBs 19-39. It was accepted that FBs over 50 drops were random. Than, slowly you start seing guilds offering Tabber keeps drops all the way to FB89s. I even saw some guilds offering to provide wine, and tabber would still keep drops.
If it was true that all these people are running FBs, out of the goodness of their hearts to help new players, how come there are not 20 rooms with people offering help with cult bosses?
So lets call a spade a spade. People are greedy, they want the FBs. So they started paying the tabber to run their FB.
Personaly, I help people with cult bosses and FBs when asked for help (the ones I can do). And I have always given the person I am helping drops and gear (sometimes gear I had extra that did not even drop... or pet eggs if they are venos).Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
Teartroll - Sanctuary wrote: »all the conclusion jumpers make me lol. it was established on page 2 i was the OP. read my sig, and use referances from posts as context clues.
hell yes i take drops if theyre on random and i get it. do i still get FBs? yes i do, many of them, daily.
all the rest of you are pretty much broken records and idiots yourselves. all you all do is say 'WUT KINDA IDIOT R U!? O COURSE DEY GET DROPS!' without explicitly listing one reason why these people deserve them any more than anyone else. yeah, so a low level could use a mold, but a runner could also use the money, or mold to help a guildie/friend. dont be so tunnel minded.
drops belong on random, period. everyone deserves a chance at them. it you wanna go on that whole 'someone deserves them more' mentality, its just like clerics and tanks mentioned in the original post.
i am a veno as my main dingus :P you arent a very good troll. if you want, i can teach you how to be a thread arsonist and get more flames going than a **** bar in san fransisco.
You're right on one thing about your post...everyone deserve to have a chance at having those molds/3* drop but not on another person's tab. Everyone deserve to have a chance at those molds/3* in their own FB and if you aren't lucky enough to have one drop then go farm it on your own. You don't have to do those FB but you chose to do it...so don't complain when things not going your way.
I've seen many explanation on why tabbers deserve the mold/3* but you chose not to mention it in your post. You simply cast it aside, called everyone who disagreed with you an idiot and argue with those who only posted 'WUT KINDA IDIOT R U!? O COURSE DEY GET DROPS!'[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Teartroll - Sanctuary wrote: »^ theres no point in this, as im well aware of that.
when we want the 2 cents of a dumb **** who didnt read, ill tell you, ok
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Tear, I'm probably smarter than you are, by a long shot.
Which means, if you think I'm a dumb ****, you're off the bottom end of the scale.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
If I choose to help someone with an fb. I only only get the exp if they quest is counted. It only counts if it is complete. It only gets completed if the tabber stays alive. If they tabber dies during a boss kill then Im out of luck as far as exp is concearned. So I tell the tabber to stay back until its time to talk to the rock. The stay out of range so they dont die. Guess what im getting at is...How does that make the tabber greedy?
I dont remember an fb where the tabber didnt try to run forward to beat on a mob because they didnt know what to do. Ive watched alot of tabbers die while i was trying to pull mobs because they didnt know what pulling mobs was. Nothing worse then sending an inexperienced noob into a crowd of mobs. I guess some ppl like to spend hours in an fb trying to get things right because the tabber keeps dying. We clearly state before hand that tabber keeps 3-star and molds. Everything else is distributed randomly. If the tabber asks you for help then maybe u can expect something more in return. But for those announcing help on WC are asking the tabber instead. A tabber doesnt have to let u in the squad. They can always find someone else who isnt greedy as alot of higher lvl's who will help them without any payment. For some of us, the exp is enough by itself.0 -
If I choose to help someone with an fb. I only only get the exp if they quest is counted. It only counts if it is complete. It only gets completed if the tabber stays alive. If they tabber dies during a boss kill then Im out of luck as far as exp is concearned. So I tell the tabber to stay back until its time to talk to the rock. The stay out of range so they dont die. Guess what im getting at is...How does that make the tabber greedy?
I dont remember an fb where the tabber didnt try to run forward to beat on a mob because they didnt know what to do. Ive watched alot of tabbers die while i was trying to pull mobs because they didnt know what pulling mobs was. Nothing worse then sending an inexperienced noob into a crowd of mobs. I guess some ppl like to spend hours in an fb trying to get things right because the tabber keeps dying. We clearly state before hand that tabber keeps 3-star and molds. Everything else is distributed randomly. If the tabber asks you for help then maybe u can expect something more in return. But for those announcing help on WC are asking the tabber instead. A tabber doesnt have to let u in the squad. They can always find someone else who isnt greedy as alot of higher lvl's who will help them without any payment. For some of us, the exp is enough by itself.
u r so fking stupid i think u dun need any fb's not even ur own0 -
I worked at a grocery store....
It's not the old women that bug me. It's the 35 year old women who go in and ask for me to take their groceries out to thier care, and when we get to the car they open up the trunk, and get into the car and close the door. Then when your done they drive away not even thanking you.The only way to win is to quit. b:bye0 -
Sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it too.
If you actually need/want a certain item off an instance, why don't you run it untabbed by yourself? You're a veno, you're actually able to do that, unlike the "little noobs" who have no chance in hell to solo their quest, and won't see a drop like that again until they gain who knows how many levels.
And if you don't need/want an item in particular, you're just being greedy yourself, and getting what at your level represents a little surplus as opposed to the huge boost it means to the tabber.
Furthermore, the way I've seen item drop mechanics to work, you NEED the "little noobs" to drag down the party average level, otherwise you'll end up getting only coins.
Now, if they are just sitting back and doing nothing, that's another story.. But in my experience, most of the time they are so eager to help they end up dying unless you ask them to stay back.0 -
DarKye - Sanctuary wrote: »Sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it too.
If you actually need/want a certain item off an instance, why don't you run it untabbed by yourself? You're a veno, you're actually able to do that, unlike the "little noobs" who have no chance in hell to solo their quest, and won't see a drop like that again until they gain who knows how many levels.
That is even more condescending and insulting than anything else posted so far.
They could do it with people their own level, if they chose to do it. (even if it would take hours)
I have done a few FBs with people my level. It was not pretty, and took hours.... and by the time we were done, we were actualy with a negative balance in our exp (we lost more exp than we gain from the FB). For the FB39 it took us 3 or 4 hours to complete. If we had used a high level party, it would had taken 20 minutes....
And I know plenty of people that do their FBs with parties their level.
Unlike Cult quests, where some, there is really no way to do them at level (like eyes of the Krimson), FBs can actualy be done by a party of same level as FB people.
Heck my FB 19 a friend and I managed to get all the way to the boss and we were both level 19... it took us 2 hours, and we died so many times than by the 20th time we re-enter the instance a couple of people that were sitting there offered to help us with the last room and the boss. I was very grateful (I had no idea how to lure at that point, and my barb friend could barely keep up pot spamming with only one mob on him).Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »That is even more condescending and insulting than anything else posted so far.
They could do it with people their own level, if they chose to do it. (even if it would take hours)
I have done a few FBs with people my level. It was not pretty, and took hours.... and by the time we were done, we were actualy with a negative balance in our exp (we lost more exp than we gain from the FB). For the FB39 it took us 3 or 4 hours to complete. If we had used a high level party, it would had taken 20 minutes....
And I know plenty of people that do their FBs with parties their level.
Unlike Cult quests, where some, there is really no way to do them at level (like eyes of the Krimson), FBs can actualy be done by a party of same level as FB people.
Heck my FB 19 a friend and I managed to get all the way to the boss and we were both level 19... it took us 2 hours, and we died so many times than by the 20th time we re-enter the instance a couple of people that were sitting there offered to help us with the last room and the boss. I was very grateful (I had no idea how to lure at that point, and my barb friend could barely keep up pot spamming with only one mob on him).
I think you missed out the word "solo" in my sentence. Never meant to imply it wasn't possible with a similar level squad.0 -
DarKye - Sanctuary wrote: »I think you missed out the word "solo" in my sentence. Never meant to imply it wasn't possible with a similar level squad.
It is impossible to solo a FB.... You need a party and be the squad leader in order to be able to tab. Therefore I assumed you saying solo was either a typo or it meant without high level help.Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »It is impossible to solo a FB.... You need a party and be the squad leader in order to be able to tab. Therefore I assumed you saying solo was either a typo or it meant without high level help.
Ah, we're just misunderstanding each other then.
In either case, what I meant is that the higher level has the benefit of running it untabbed with relative ease if they want the drops, while the lower level player will not have access to that benefit for quite a while. In both cases talking solo/untabbed.0 -
b:byeb:byeIceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »That is even more condescending and insulting than anything else posted so far.
They could do it with people their own level, if they chose to do it. (even if it would take hours)Wrong, I have NEVER seen anyone lvl 19 tank a boss and live in FB 19. NEVER NEVER NEVER! Yes I speak from experience. You even said yourself after on the 20th try you finally had someone HELP YOU. Meaning you could NOT complete the mission. Not that I agree with it but turn about is fair play, you start out calling people names you are sure to get someone condescending and insulting answer you. (shut the book)
I have done a few FBs with people my level. It was not pretty, and took hours.... and by the time we were done, we were actualy with a negative balance in our exp (we lost more exp than we gain from the FB). For the FB39 it took us 3 or 4 hours to complete. If we had used a high level party, it would had taken 20 minutes...Even with 1 shotting the mobs it takes at LEAST 30 minutes or more (suggest more) to finish FB 39. Unless of course it is wined. This has been my experience even with everyone but the tabber lvl 70+
And I know plenty of people that do their FBs with parties their level.
Who? Who can do an FB and kill all the mobs and tank the boss in an FB of their lvl? Can you say Party Wipe?
Unlike Cult quests, where some, there is really no way to do them at level (like eyes of the Krimson), FBs can actualy be done by a party of same level as FB people.Again you said so yourself that YOU and YOUR barb friend couldn't accomplish the task therefore I would like to know how you validate this thought at all.
Heck my FB 19 a friend and I managed to get all the way to the boss and we were both level 19... it took us 2 hours, and we died so many times than by the 20th time we re-enter the instance a couple of people that were sitting there offered to help us with the last room and the boss. I was very grateful (I had no idea how to lure at that point, and my barb friend could barely keep up pot spamming with only one mob on him).By this statement alone (him spamming pots with just 1 mob) you expect me to believe he could EVER tank the boss? I will say nothing insulting altho I am biting my tongue here, but please think about what you are writing. I have contradicted myself on here a few times but never in the same (1) post. And btw, the post you was so upset about, she was being sarcastic about the "little noobs" that was a quote from the OP. She was not in fact insulting anyone. Just inferring that they wanted it all to suit them.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
DarKye - Sanctuary wrote: »Ah, we're just misunderstanding each other then.
In either case, what I meant is that the higher level has the benefit of running it untabbed with relative ease if they want the drops, while the lower level player will not have access to that benefit for quite a while. In both cases talking solo/untabbed.
Gotcha
That makes more sense. Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
Actually Brat, in my faction I have been doing fbs (and regular bosses) with people pretty close to my level (a couple of people 5 lvls higher, some up to 5 lvls lower). Because our other equal level cleric went MIA for the summer, I've also had to solo heal through our factions 39-59 (currently we have 2 people up to 69, the rest of us have yet to catch up). We also suffer very little deaths, and have yet to party wipe. Then again, it's not too bad when your party knows how to lure, how to stand away from exploding mobs, how to sacrifice yourself when the healer is sleepy and accidentally draws aggro. A veno with herc helps too. And most importantly, it helps that our tank is the smexy (<3 Mal).
As far as OP, it depends. If faction mates, we'll all help the tabber out with wines. They also get to keep all drops. If someone outside the faction, and it's a wined fb, then they get to call all drops if, and only if, they provide the wine.
And krimson is overrated, L2purify.0 -
BratFury - Heavens Tear wrote: »b:byeb:bye
I said I have done a few, I never said I have done them all. Not sure if you can do FB19 at level 19, since after we got help we leveled, and we were no longer level 19 by the time we did another run. (sigh, let me clarify, we did not level the momemt we finished the FB, but by the time we went on another we had already leveled)
I know people that have done FBs at level. If you spend a little of time and do a search in forums, you will see that some people actualy do them (and you will see me tell them it will be easier for them to just get some high level help).
Yes, we had partywipes. That is part of learning how to play. Pretty sure you had party wipes before as well. Sometimes happens.
You must have had a slow party on the FB39.... With 4 level 80+s, 1 level 70+, and the tabber (guess who the level 70+ was), we have done it in just about 20 minutes. And of course it was wined. I had already helped the tabber with the side quests inside, no point not using wine in it.
Try reading what the post says instead of what you think it says. The statement "I have done a few FBs with a party my level" does not invalidate the statement, "a friend and I could not complete a FB19 when we both tried".
A few implies more than one. One FB we could not do is just that, one FB we could not do.
The part in bold was that the low level player had no chance in hell to run the FB. That poster and I already clarified that he ment that the low level player had no chance to do solo runs for drops.
@Sylvana. I wish I could purify Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
what part is so hard ?
TABBER keeps drops u get exp and rep0
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