Sword or Fist? Which is the better at PvP?

imho fist bms are just wanna be archers b:chuckle

Azianjimster - Sanctuary wrote: »

imho fist bms are just wanna be archers b:chuckle

Silly post.

If somebody wants to be an archer, then that person makes an archer toon.

Its not like we are born BMs and we want to be archers.

Saying that I have seen some Archers using claws and fists as you guys can have it too due to the low str requirement.

A bm using a bow + fists is way more deadlier than archer using a bow + fists. At least with melee mobs.

Sylvae - Sanctuary wrote: »

I dunno, if I could get the rank 8 chest for archers and mix that with all the -interval equips, the insane attack rate could make up for not having fist mastery pretty easily. Would kill the build for being anything but a fist user however.

golden TT99 LA mixed with HA + TT100 fists = 2.50 hits/sec.

Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think the logic is simple.

When a melee mob is attacked with a bow, the mob moves toward the attacker.

Which is the BM zone. The mob is falling into a trap as BM has short range physical attack and great physical defence. In other words the bow will do some damage but its use for pulling.

The archer should keep range at all cost. Pulling the mob to use fists after is not a good move. by doing that, the archer is playing the mob game due low phy defence (LA) and low attack with fists due to lack of masteries.

You missed me saying it would ruin the build for anything else.

It would be a HA build, not an LA one, during early grinding. For areas of grinding where buffs aren't available, it would make use of Winged Shell to alleviate damage. Later on Demon Wingspan might help out as well, for constant stream of dmg prevention. Or play as normal and restat later on if feeling lazy.

Thinking 3str/2dex build or so, which would mean at around 100 lvl

(1+2.01) 3.01 as multiplier, compared to

(1+2.01+.6) 3.61 multiplier with lvl 10 mastery and a 3str/2dex fist build

So 83% dmg compared to a BM using the exact same build.

The whole points is the rank 8 chest piece, which allows an extra -.1 interval that is unavailable to any other class. Because of that, no one else can have as high an attack rate. And remember, the higher interval stacks, the more effect it has.

So you could have -.1 chest, -.1 TT 99 wrists, -.5 LA TT99 set bonus, -.5 HA TT99 set bonus, -.1 fists. So base of .3 interval. Then there is a lvl 8 tome that gives -.05, and a cape that does the same. So 5 attacks a second, and this is before speed boosts. Wouldn't even dream of trying this without getting the rare stuff first however. But as can be seen, that extra -.1 can have a major effect in damage. It's all a matter of how many pieces you can scrounge together.

The difference between -.6 and -.65 is double the number of attacks. So depending on where the BM tops out, an archer doing only 83% dmg can still easily outdamage them by quite a large margin. Just depends on time frame and coins available.

The ruining of the build is talking about the archer. I've only really posted on the archer, as only they can get that specific rank gear. Only time BM was mentioned was to compare damage. And I think everyone would agree, having an archer stat for heavy armor fist would pretty much ruin it for its normal intended function

In LVL 40..

What is the best weapon for PVP?
or PVP and PVE ..balanced..

I may only be a lvl 60 fists but i am able to own other bms several lvls above me, they hit quick and with the genie skill wind shield hit even quicker, not to mention with magic users we have a stop spell casting skill so def fists

non will EVER we mooore ruined then me EVER fist/claw barb lv66 and 6k hp selfbuffedb:laugh yeah i love playing as a noob b:dirty

b:shocked Fists Are Very good nowadays because of those Sacrificial Strike Fists

Kaste - Sanctuary wrote: »

seriosly, fists may have high dex, but what if they meet a high dex axe wielder with double mistys (or sign of frost: chaos / some other rings like that)? They wont be able to do a damn **** about getting their **** kicked. Fister is going to get stunlocked, especially if he is wearing LA as most fist BMs

Double, no triple necro.
And fyi, most fists BM use HA. There's only one way axes can kill a BM and that's HF+Bramble. Anything else's just charm tick.

Nayiro - Sanctuary wrote: »

Fists. Everyone will argue against me, but fists late game own in PvP vs. any other CC class. Our accuracy and dodge is substantial. We hit fast, us pots less often due to spark gathering so quickly. We also beat casters because of our one skill that cancels their spell.

But honestly, everyone will tell you swords because everyone on PWI is to young (in game) to realize fists rock PvP.

But that's just me.

I have a level 65 Fist/Axe BM and he can take down lv 70 BMs and Barbs and you are soooo right, people are like, WTF HAPPENED? when i beat them, sword BMs are easy...

Cash shop interval gear to -3.33 base and then tell me whos better x)

Monofailmuch - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I've been a sword bm all my life because the first weapon u get in the game is a wooden sword and it looks cool.

Yet, i was getting pwned deep hard by other bms.
Axes hit harder with skills and can stunlock.
Fists have better dps/chi building with normal attacks.
Poles have a strong ranged attack and a purge weapon.

I was using mage bane and atmos strike and ..i was losing all the time.
I never firgured out how to beat other classes either. b:cry

So I cashshopped like a *****, I charged thousands of bucks each month to make up for it. b:pleased
I bought a lunar sword and refined it a lot.
But I was still losing so I decided to use other weapons.
Now i'm the leader of drakon, the strongest tw faction of my server and I'm feared by pretty much all the TWers. b:cool

So don't use swords except for myriad in pve. b:bye

That post says enough; you are a hater of that guy but definitely not him.

Just do whatever you want and don't let biased ppl "build" your char for you.