what are archers for apart from zhen?

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_BLANKA_ - Sanctuary
_BLANKA_ - Sanctuary Posts: 103 Arc User
edited April 2010 in Archer
I just realised that archers have no use what so ever:
FB:
Barbs-tank
Bm-second tank/damage deal
Wiz-ranged damage
clerics-buffs
veno-not needed
archer-not needed

Same for TT

TW:
Barbs-catapults
BM-phy. damage
Wiz-nukers
clerics-buffs
veno-not needed
archers-not needed

Not only that but archers suck at pvp, seriously how do you guys manage to get into factions?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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  • LloydAsplund - Sanctuary
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary Posts: 3,899 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    Your little comparison thing is utterly worthless. Firstly, you could say that venos are useless too by the look of what you outlined. TBH, I would rather have an archer DD than a BM DD. For example 1-2 gold shard boss, herc tanks, rest DD, the melee Bm would get owned by aoe.

    Also, I dont think you have much experience about TW. Archers useless? far from it. Another thing is, I dont think you have met saren yet, as annoying as he may be, he got some PvP skills.
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  • mbrunestud
    mbrunestud Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    sharpened
    tooth
    arrow

    my squadmates actually thought dimentora could be taken down in less than 5min, from how fast the first 25% of its hp went down b:chuckle
  • Anders - Lost City
    Anders - Lost City Posts: 325 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    .....archery?
  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    _BLANKA_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I just realised that archers have no use what so ever:
    FB:
    Barbs-tank
    Bm-second tank/damage deal
    Wiz-ranged damage
    clerics-buffs
    veno-not needed
    archer-not needed

    Same for TT

    TW:
    Barbs-catapults
    BM-phy. damage
    Wiz-nukers
    clerics-buffs
    veno-not needed
    archers-not needed

    Not only that but archers suck at pvp, seriously how do you guys manage to get into factions?

    I should just say "lol n00b", but I have a few minutes to spare,so, here we go:
    FB:
    Barbs-tank
    Bm-second tank/damage deal
    Wiz-ranged damage
    clerics-buffs
    veno-not needed
    archer-not needed
    Archer is needed for the Sharpened Tooth Arrow. This little trick is reducing
    maximun HP by 16.0% for 30 seconds at lvl 10. Nothing to laugh at when you have 5+ bosses in a FB.
    Same applies to the TT bosses. Want to get them down faster, get an archer, will help, especially if you want to run 3-4 TTs with the same team. For 1 run is not necessary, for more is recommended.
    Venos are needed to pull sometimes if the squad has low lvl and also to spark the tank.
    You're waaay of on this one.
    TW:
    Barbs-catapults
    BM-phy. damage
    Wiz-nukers
    clerics-buffs
    veno-not needed
    archers-not needed

    archers are the fastest killers of robe veno/cleric/wizzies. Their crit will hurt as much as they will be hurt by a wizz GS or SS. Without archers to keep them under controll wizzies would nuke the hell out of everything. So, they bring balance and that is great.
    Another good thing is their Barrage of Arrows, that's pretty much a kicka$$ skill. Ranged continuous AoE. No other class has anything to come even close. And in TW, believe me, that hurts.
    Venos are a great spark back-up for wizzies in TW. And the Nix just owns. Robes are going down in 3-4 seconds max. There are ways to avoid them/defeat them, but as airforce and spark transfer venos are a must in TW.
    Again, you're waay of on this one too.

    So, go do your homework and come back after you get in your teen years at least.
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  • Raviste - Heavens Tear
    Raviste - Heavens Tear Posts: 288 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    I'd say it's pretty impossible to kill that boss in TT in under 4 minutes without an archer's DPS. Unless your mages/clerics/venos stack a lot of -chan.

    And archers bad at PvP? Lol, last time I checked dealing 1k in less than a sec hurts a lot, especially arcane classes.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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  • shuzan
    shuzan Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    Wow. Just wow. I'll put it simply in TW form, since that's the REAL pvp of this game.

    BM- Stun the **** out of everything
    Barbs- Pull catapults and kill squishies
    Wizards- Kill catapult pullers
    Clerics- Heal catapult pullers and kill people
    Venos- Kill EVERTHING
    Archers- Become a squishies worst enemy.
  • Prediction - Lost City
    Prediction - Lost City Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    _BLANKA_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I just realised that archers have no use what so ever:
    FB:
    Barbs-tank
    Bm-second tank/damage deal
    Wiz-ranged damage
    clerics-buffs
    veno-not needed
    archer-not needed

    Same for TT

    are you ****en serious? you actually call blademasters damage dealers BUT NOT ARCHERS?!

    what's wrong with you
    FPW > PWI b:victory
  • The_Magician - Dreamweaver
    The_Magician - Dreamweaver Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    _BLANKA_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    FB:
    Barbs-tank
    Bm-second tank/damage deal(<<erm....not really on the DD part, more of a support-fire thing.)
    Wiz-ranged Magic/Elemental damage
    clerics-buffs and heals
    veno-Possibly first/second tank or damage dealer, depending on what pet they have, Lure/Puller
    archer-Ranged Physical Damage

    I cant really weigh in on TW, as ive never participated in one, yet. But I edited what you said, to match what i think...
    I....really have absolutely no idea what im doing. Just givin' you the heads up.

    Proud Marshal of Pointless of Dreamweaver.

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  • Fallenangelx - Heavens Tear
    Fallenangelx - Heavens Tear Posts: 182 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    i lol @ the first post. all the classes are important in TW and TT. To neglect one class = fail but mayb that's because you aren't high enough level to realize what each class is capable of.

    Barb = kicka** cata pullers with hax hp...impossible to kill by yourself once they reach the 90+ and they tank bosses for you b:laugh
    Veno = um, you know...their herc can tank most of the bosses in TT and their phoenix are killers in TW (i would mention that they also lure but the genie skills can do that now too except i think it cant reach as far as veno luring)
    Wizard = nukers as you mentioned
    BM = they can aoe stun and they are great dds too...i got one hit by one in TW b:cry
    Cleric = buffs, heals, and they can also DD but a bit slower becuz of their channeling
    Archer = they make the TT/FB go ALOT faster and did i mention they are one of the main DDs in TW

    b:bye
  • Ixta - Harshlands
    Ixta - Harshlands Posts: 233 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    _BLANKA_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I just realised that archers have no use what so ever:
    FB:
    Barbs-tank
    Bm-second tank/damage deal
    Wiz-ranged damage
    clerics-buffs
    veno-not needed
    archer-not needed

    Replace Barb with Veno with Herc, and you become useless.
  • Kazue - Heavens Tear
    Kazue - Heavens Tear Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    _BLANKA_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Not only that but archers suck at pvp, seriously how do you guys manage to get into factions?

    It’s actually pretty easy for archers to get in guilds. No one really needs or want them, but in order to get federal stimulus funding each guild must have 10% archers.
  • Zelfine - Sanctuary
    Zelfine - Sanctuary Posts: 112 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    _BLANKA_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I just realised that archers have no use what so ever:
    FB:
    Barbs-tank
    Bm-second tank/damage deal
    Wiz-ranged damage
    clerics-buffs
    veno-not needed
    archer-not needed

    Same for TT

    TW:
    Barbs-catapults
    BM-phy. damage
    Wiz-nukers
    clerics-buffs
    veno-not needed
    archers-not needed

    Not only that but archers suck at pvp, seriously how do you guys manage to get into factions?

    b:chuckle Veno's useless in TW's? Ever Purged a fully buffed catapuller?

    This is completely biased against Veno's and Archers. GTFO
    b:bye PW.
    I'll still troll the forums >:D
  • Prediction - Lost City
    Prediction - Lost City Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    Zelfine - Sanctuary wrote: »
    b:chuckle Veno's useless in TW's? Ever Purged a fully buffed catapuller?

    This is completely biased against Veno's and Archers. GTFO

    he also said archers completely suck in pvp, that proves he has a mental condition b:shocked
    FPW > PWI b:victory
  • _BLANKA_ - Sanctuary
    _BLANKA_ - Sanctuary Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    Archers do suck at pvp i've owned 5x pure dex archers with ease. And why are all you archers crying just because i told the truth sheesh it's only a frikin f2p game.
    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
  • Prediction - Lost City
    Prediction - Lost City Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    _BLANKA_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Archers do suck at pvp i've owned 5x pure dex archers with ease. And why are all you archers crying just because i told the truth sheesh it's only a frikin f2p game.

    5x archers get owned by lvl 40 barb? damn tell them to just quit the game! they must suck big time
    FPW > PWI b:victory
  • Zelfine - Sanctuary
    Zelfine - Sanctuary Posts: 112 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    Prediction - Lost City wrote: »
    he also said archers completely suck in pvp, that proves he has a mental condition b:shocked

    I mean hey, he doesn't consider Archer's damage to be ranged :P
    You don't see many archers spamming wingspan and winged pledge xD
    b:bye PW.
    I'll still troll the forums >:D
  • Zelfine - Sanctuary
    Zelfine - Sanctuary Posts: 112 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    _BLANKA_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Archers do suck at pvp i've owned 5x pure dex archers with ease. And why are all you archers crying just because i told the truth sheesh it's only a frikin f2p game.

    We talkin bout duels here? I know my server doesnt have many 4x Barbs owning 5x archers b:laugh
    b:bye PW.
    I'll still troll the forums >:D
  • _BLANKA_ - Sanctuary
    _BLANKA_ - Sanctuary Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    archers are common too. yes we're talkin 'bout duels and when an archer tried to pk me i utterly ripped it to shreads.
    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
  • Prediction - Lost City
    Prediction - Lost City Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    _BLANKA_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    archers are common too. yes we're talkin 'bout duels and when an archer tried to pk me i utterly ripped it to shreads.

    duels don't count, and if he couldn't beat you and he was 10+ lvls higher he must be a fail who doesn't know what the hell he's doing
    FPW > PWI b:victory
  • _BLANKA_ - Sanctuary
    _BLANKA_ - Sanctuary Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    He was an archer which I guess is an automatic fail. Barbs are OP
    archers are squishy with average damage and lucky crits. you guys haven't got any skills that help you beat melees
    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
  • Prediction - Lost City
    Prediction - Lost City Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    1. archers have great damage

    2. our crits aren't "lucky"

    3. he must have been a fail to not be able to kill a lvl 40 barb or you're just lying and saying he's 5x when he's really lower
    FPW > PWI b:victory
  • _BLANKA_ - Sanctuary
    _BLANKA_ - Sanctuary Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    I'm a good barb and he was a **** archer not my fault he lost. Archers get pwned by melee. Simple.
    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
  • Prediction - Lost City
    Prediction - Lost City Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    _BLANKA_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    you guys haven't got any skills that help you beat melees

    metal skills do full damage up close and we got 2 phys melee skills

    shows how much you know about archers
    FPW > PWI b:victory
  • Zelfine - Sanctuary
    Zelfine - Sanctuary Posts: 112 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    You can't put an opinion on a whole Archer community because you killed one person. b:cute
    b:bye PW.
    I'll still troll the forums >:D
  • _BLANKA_ - Sanctuary
    _BLANKA_ - Sanctuary Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    your metal skills aren't a threat to barbs a couple half assed skills aren't enough to take down my hp bar.
    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
  • Fallenangelx - Heavens Tear
    Fallenangelx - Heavens Tear Posts: 182 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    duels dont really count since they limited the distance between the players and thats a disadvantage to archers. but even in duels...when i was still lvl 70s i can kill a barb...i don't know what you're talkin about. we can take aim/stun and spam the metal skills...trust me, not that hard to kill a barb. and at 40s...you guys are suppose to miss the archers like almost every hit unless the archer has some weird built.
  • Zelfine - Sanctuary
    Zelfine - Sanctuary Posts: 112 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    I really doubt Archer's were meant to kill Barbs anyway
    b:bye PW.
    I'll still troll the forums >:D
  • Rulin - Heavens Tear
    Rulin - Heavens Tear Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    Meh, this guys is a troll, don't take his bait.

    and if he's for real, better yet, cuz we have one more delusional barb that we can pkb:pleased
  • _BLANKA_ - Sanctuary
    _BLANKA_ - Sanctuary Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    Every class is meant to kill every other class, with the right player its just that pwi made archers... well ****
    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
  • Prediction - Lost City
    Prediction - Lost City Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited June 2009
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    ok no offense but i doubt it was really a 5x archer

    lvl 40 barb against a lvl 5x archer...the barb shouldn't even be able to hit him with all the accuracy

    lvl 5x archer has what? almost 2k evasion? how much accuracy does lvl 40 barb have? some 400?
    FPW > PWI b:victory

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