b:cry they took away the gold packs!

Kaenor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It just a marketing trick to sell more on original price, its not a surreptitious act, just business. Live with it.

Business screws up the economy look whats happening now. Economic Crises ONLLY because banks were GREEDY(hmm reminds me of some company ^^) to loan money to peeps who obviously could not pay back

I've seen these GM's flip-flop on more than one occasion, and this has lead me to believe that as much as they would deny, they aren't aware or being notified of what's being implemented or removed in these patches.

I've never played a game where so many PR flubs happen so frequently. Of course it angers the community, because we're essentially communicating with a receptionist (no offense to those who are) who has water-cooler conversations with the developers.

There have been some improvements, such as the patch notes that demystify MOST of the changes. But, editing past patch notes to cover up ANOTHER flub only magnifies the faults of the GM's, as well as generate agro from the community.

That wasn't a slick move at all. It created more of a mess than the original issue.

I bought 2 last night for 350K each in game, they were 300k 2 days ago. hope they can put something similar back before I use them up. Expecting in-game price to go up soon. it is imposible to play this game without charge now, most in game items are much cheaper then 2 weeks ago, but cash shop items are holding up if not higher. it becomes harder and harder to make coins in game to exchange for cash shop items.

Mosz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

this is after prices of charms were raised highly from the original prices 60silver bronze and 1.5silver or 2.0 when we started playing, of course didnt have gold back then yet
and the lion mount chance is 0.02 chance, fabulous and bugged lately possibly

Raised from what, the Malaysian version? GTFO with that argument. PWI's prices have been the same since they opened.

And do you have ANY evidence to support the idea that the lion mount chance was bugged other than your own bad luck?

Transcend - Lost City wrote: »

I've seen these GM's flip-flop on more than one occasion, and this has lead me to believe that as much as they would deny, they aren't aware or being notified of what's being implemented or removed in these patches.

I've never played a game where so many PR flubs happen so frequently. Of course it angers the community, because we're essentially communicating with a receptionist (no offense to those who are) who has water-cooler conversations with the developers.

There have been some improvements, such as the patch notes that demystify MOST of the changes. But, editing past patch notes to cover up ANOTHER flub only magnifies the faults of the GM's, as well as generate agro from the community.

That wasn't a slick move at all. It created more of a mess than the original issue.

Exactly along the lines I'm thinking.

Dvorak wrote: »

posted the following in a similar thread:

"Let me start off by saying that our Charm Packs have been a very successful addition to our Cash Shop and therefore it would be in 'our' best interest to make these bundles available again to our members as soon as possible.

The truth of the matter is that due to some technical issues (semi related to the issues with closing all Christmas events simultaneously) we needed to pull these products for (what we hope is) a short duration.

Please bear with us as we iron out the issues related to these Packs."

and yes, we recently altered the text as some of you have pointed out above. Nothing devious going on there really. We just wanted to make sure that the archived news item reflects the current status of these Packs. Thank you for reminding us to correct that statement!

Erm, if the charm packs were pulled temporarily and will be coming back, there was no reason to edit the original announcement to remove the statement that they were a permanent addition. They are according to you still permanent, just temporarily unavailable, so no need to do the editing you did.

I should also point out that in the same announcement the super inventory, bank, and cage stones were announced as only being available for one week around Thanksgiving. They're still in the boutique.

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I should also point out that in the same announcement the super inventory, bank, and cage stones were announced as only being available for one week around Thanksgiving. They're still in the boutique.

Announcement wrote:

The following new items are available for one week at a reduced price

They weren't saying they were going away in a week, they were saying that the price would go up after that week was up.

XxTORMENTAxx - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I will admit that I am not 100% into what is happening here with this Gold Charm thing other than they are not available anymore and people are pissed for the reasons given to why they are gone.

Feel free to correct me if that general statement is wrong.

I do have a question though. Is game life functional within PW without these charms. I mean, if noone had them could the game go on? Perhaps in a different manner, maybe more team oriented, maybe more stratigically analyzed. I do not know.

Perhaps some opinions could be added here about my thoughts.

Charms are neccesary in all PvP activities, AoE and Tanking. Sure we could do without it the same way we could do without electricity but it would be highly inconvinient and make this game quite bothersome.

Apothecary items are used in addition to charms, if I'm not mistaken for PVP TWs. At least, they should be.

The apothecary items have a longer cooldown period, whereas the charms only have a 5-second cool down, so it's really something that's up to each person's own personal opinion. *shrug*

Being money hungry is one thing, but taking away gold charm packs is another. You guys have pissed off tons of costumers and players in-game with that removal. You clearly said that those charms were PERMANENT. Editing that patch note out was wrong.

I don't know what you guys are planning to do, but many of us feels like we're getting a big rip-off and feeding money to a hungry company. You clearly just unmotivated hundreds of players and lost tons of trust.

Good job.

Poison - Heavens Tear wrote: »

They weren't saying they [the super inventory, bank, cage extension stones] were going away in a week, they were saying that the price would go up after that week was up.

Their prices haven't changed from when they were introduced either.

I just think it's insulting to customers >_>; We spend real life money on this, just like any product out in the real world.

I just think it's rude for a company, over anything, to be so shady and greedy.

Forgive my slowness at wrapping my mind around all this angst on this thread (suffering through a major head cold atm).

I've taken the time to read every single post in this thread (I figure if someone takes the time to write it, I should at least take the time to read it) and have come to a few conclusions:

The staff has come out and said (Dvorak specifically) that these charm packs were a profitable item for them and it would be in their best interest to get them back in as soon as possible. They were removed because of a technical issue related to the ending of the Xmas event (which I know first hand has caused issues in various manners on other versions).

Now, the next step the staff took, which, along with many other posters, I agree was a mis-step, was to go back and edit an existing announcement about these being a permanent addition to the game. Now, when this thread first came into existence, the original announcement still stated perma, and after so many enraged posters pointed out that fact, they went back and altered the text. Maybe they jumped the gun calling them permanent in the first place. Who knows. I know for a fact, not a single arrogant player postin g on this forum know, so quit guessing. You only advertise your ingorance.

I fully agree, that from a consumer's perspective, a completely separate announcement stating that they will be temporarily removed until a glitch can be resolved would have produced less of a riot, but I still believe plenty of players would have been posting constantly "are they coming back? How long? This sucks! You are just milking us for money!" Deny it if you will, but all I have to do is browse the tens of thousands of posts on these forums to understand the general nature of players.

To those that think they are milking us, nothing will change your mind. Not math, not explanations of the internal workings of a sales plan (I am in Sales for a living, btw, and I knew the packs would generate more sales...it's just consumer nature), not anything will change your view.

All I can say, to those who are still on the fence, is this: Yes, this company wants to make as much money as possible. EVERY company does. Why do you think McDonalds advertises 2 for $2 Big Macs, or retail stores advertise 2 for 1 sales. Consumers buy more when they perceive they are getting a bargin, even if they don't "need" to eat 2 Big Mac's, we can't pass up that "deal" (I can...I am sooo sick of fast food...gah!) But, yet, like sheep, consumers will buy into it and it will generate a signifigant boost in company profits. We do it where I work and I see the impact on the bottom line.

Now, with that knowledge, how exactly would intentionally removing a profit making item with no good reason make them more money, when sales of charms increased with the addition of the packs. That means sales will go down now that they are gone, and hence, profits lower. It tells me, that since this is a business, and every business is in it to make maximum profit, that they didn't want to remove them, rather, something happened and they were forced to remove them, as they have said.

Maybe it was a connection of the packs with the various Xmas gift packs, who knows.

I think they should not have editted the announcement and just added a new annoucement, but they said they need to bring something like it back, if not exactly the same thing. They are not making MORE money this way, rather, making less.