Which Server Will you be Playing?

merulz · July 2008

devotion wrote: »

I think its kinda out of hand.. people that don't like getting PKed are making new comers think that the second you leave a city you are PKed. This is not the case. You rarely get attacked, the only time I get attacked is if I PK someone if they keep stealing my mobs and they bring their whole guild and epic battles ensue. I think a lot of you newcomers are gonna regret choosing PvE and getting a high level and quitting cause you are bored out of your skulls. But this isnt for everybody some people like PvE and thats your opinion i'm just trying to make sure people that are undecided choose without any over-exaggerated statements.

So true. I got attacked 1/100 times I had a conflict with someone. The only time I was attacked was in epic battles between guilds, and that didn't happen very often at all.

sigoh · July 2008

well spoken Devotion

errr.. Typed...

naris · July 2008

Kind of hard for me to decide.

On one hand, I don't care for being ksed and other various little things that I would like to be able to attack for (bots, verbal abuse, having friends randomly pk me and visa versa, etc.), but I can't help but think the TW map in Oracle (the server I play in) would be a heck of a lot more competitive if the risk of being KOSed by some of the highest levels in the server wasn't there.

So I'd probably play both for awhile and see how they turn out.

EDIT: I will say that I don't think the pve server will be quite as profitable for the company than the pvp one. Without the risk of pk I probably would spend less on dolls and hieros... granted I'd spend the money on mounts and other things but I may be in the minority there.

The pvp server will probably be less crowded, which is a good and bad thing. Less competition for grinding and rare pets and other things that aren't as easy with too many people...

matthew · July 2008

If you go pvp server, be prepared to be ganked anywhere at all times, and always look for green dots on your radar. If you go pvp server, buy a hit point hierogram as soon as you reach level 30, if not before. If you go pvp server, be prepared to be ganked at least 5 times from level 30-40. If you go pvp server, and your guild owns land or is attempting to own land, be prepared to be ganked and put on KOS by other land owning guilds. If you go pvp server, be prepared for people camping the world mission NPC's to gank you. If you go pvp server, be prepared at every rancor event to get ganked.

I have played to level 80, and there is still lots of content that I want to experience. If you are new and want content, there will be content. There isn't as much content as say Everquest or WOW, but I was surprised at the amount of content Perfect World had.

Devotion, I doubt how long you have played. If you are in the wrong guild, or you have a reputation, you will get ganked as soon as you leave safe zone. You will also get ambushed at World Mission NPC's. Not only that, people will shout on world chat to pay people to give up your location, and people will shout your location on world chat.

Battles between guilds was pretty common. The only thing that didn't make Oracle server a complete nightmare is WarLord could not random pk. If WarLord was a pk guild that server would be a living hell.

None of this is over-exaggerated by the way.

atheeni · July 2008

junk wrote: »

Most mmo playing girls are more hardcore than you'd expect. Besides, there's little you can do in terms of coaxing them to 'favor' your company. Come to PvP, I have the best scheme ever:
1. Grind to 50-ish.
2. Find 30-ish girl.
3. I stalk her and repeatedly gank her while she's questing.
4. You show up and kick my ****, with an awesome oneliner like "Don't worry, miss, I'll defend you from this vile criminal scum!"
5. Keep her company, in case I return. I'll do just that a couple of times but flee at the mere sight of you.
6. Girl will totally want your babies.
7. Find another girl, rinse, repeat.
8. ???
9. Enjoy your harem.

OMG that made my day.

I'll be sticking to the stereotype and heading to the PVE server... never been much of a PVPer... except for some random fights with friends who are just as bad at it as me... plus I usually play support or long range classes. ^^; I dunno... I don't particularly like being randomly attacked and PKd.

And it's true not all the female characters are girls... just like not all the male characters are played by guys.... does it really matter though?

sigoh · July 2008

Mathew, no disrespect, but it sounds to me like you just ran off at the mouth too much and got killed for it.

sealed · July 2008

I'll be playing on the PK Server, hope that I will make one of the first guilds on the server *in Open Beta that is*

sealed~

karmelia · July 2008

devotion wrote: »

I think a lot of you newcomers are gonna regret choosing PvE and getting a high level and quitting cause you are bored out of your skulls. But this isnt for everybody some people like PvE and thats your opinion i'm just trying to make sure people that are undecided choose without any over-exaggerated statements.

Lets dispell once more a misconception : PvE server don't equal no PvP server.

On the PvE server, you have the option to PvP or not. It can be set on or off. (and a red name cannot opt out of PvP).

On the PvP server you don't have the option to PvP or not. PvP is on at all time.

(all that after you reach level 30, of course)

sigoh · July 2008

karmelia wrote: »

Lets dispell once more a misconception : PvE server don't equal no PvP server.

On the PvE server, you have the option to PvP or not. It can be set on or off. (and a red name cannot opt out of PvP).

On the PvP server you don't have the option to PvP or not. PvP is on at all time.

(all that after you reach level 30, of course)

even so, whats the thrill when you can just switch it on or off?

sealed · July 2008

turn it off when grinding and turn it on when bored and looking for fights??
If PvE isnt your thing then stop discouraging it for new players that might prefer it.

sealed~

karmelia · July 2008

sealed wrote: »

turn it off when grinding and turn it on when bored and looking for fights??

1 - You have a ten hours cooldown.

2 - You can only PvP with those who also choose to turn Pvp on. If PvP is off, your name appears blue like when you are below level 30. When you turn PvP on, your name becomes white.

ara · July 2008

Problem there is:

Player A from Guild X does not like Guild Y, sees some of them AoEing, grinding, whatever.

Starts Killstealing their mobs, annoying them, pulling away mobs that are being lured and stuff, maybe even gets some of his guldmates to help him to do so.

Now, on a PvP Server, Guild Y will just kill him as soon as he shows up or does stuff like that.

But on a non-PvP server, he has his name blue, so what can Guild Y do there?

So to avoid this, you pretty much need 24/7 GM support vs flamers, you need a strict "no-no!" on any form of killsteal or interrupting grinding/leveling.

And that may make the game somewhat boring.

sigoh · July 2008

again, PvP is best. PvE cant make an argument half as strong as Ara's....

sealed · July 2008

ara wrote: »

Problem there is:

Player A from Guild X does not like Guild Y, sees some of them AoEing, grinding, whatever.

Starts Killstealing their mobs, annoying them, pulling away mobs that are being lured and stuff, maybe even gets some of his guldmates to help him to do so.

Now, on a PvP Server, Guild Y will just kill him as soon as he shows up or does stuff like that.

But on a non-PvP server, he has his name blue, so what can Guild Y do there?

So to avoid this, you pretty much need 24/7 GM support vs flamers, you need a strict "no-no!" on any form of killsteal or interrupting grinding/leveling.

And that may make the game somewhat boring.

Ok but.......

Whats your point? what are you trying to prove? If the player joins a PvE Server he/she should already know that these kind of things can happen and accept it, and if not, then just join a PK Server, its the players decision and preference, some players would prefer that, your making opinions *As a PK type* for PvE player.

Sealed~

karmelia · July 2008

ara wrote: »

tProblem there is:

Player A from Guild X does not like Guild Y, sees some of them AoEing, grinding, whatever.

Starts Killstealing their mobs, annoying them, pulling away mobs hat are being lured and stuff

Let the mobs kill the guy

Remind me of something. I was in land of bitting gathering DQ stuff, and a blue name comes along. He start hitting the mobs I am killing to leech some XP off me. I send my pet to a mob, he start attacking it. I call of pett, mob aggro blue guy. Blue guy dies.

One guy taking aggro in some AOE area is dead if too many mobs attacks him.

devotion · July 2008

matthew wrote: »

If you go pvp server, be prepared to be ganked anywhere at all times, and always look for green dots on your radar. If you go pvp server, buy a hit point hierogram as soon as you reach level 30, if not before. If you go pvp server, be prepared to be ganked at least 5 times from level 30-40. If you go pvp server, and your guild owns land or is attempting to own land, be prepared to be ganked and put on KOS by other land owning guilds. If you go pvp server, be prepared for people camping the world mission NPC's to gank you. If you go pvp server, be prepared at every rancor event to get ganked.

I have played to level 80, and there is still lots of content that I want to experience. If you are new and want content, there will be content. There isn't as much content as say Everquest or WOW, but I was surprised at the amount of content Perfect World had.

Devotion, I doubt how long you have played. If you are in the wrong guild, or you have a reputation, you will get ganked as soon as you leave safe zone. You will also get ambushed at World Mission NPC's. Not only that, people will shout on world chat to pay people to give up your location, and people will shout your location on world chat.

Battles between guilds was pretty common. The only thing that didn't make Oracle server a complete nightmare is WarLord could not random pk. If WarLord was a pk guild that server would be a living hell.

None of this is over-exaggerated by the way.

No but you see I have played this game since PW-MY released the closed beta. If you get PKed for your reputation I'm pretty sure you deserved it in the first place. All the other stuff you have said is ridiculous. You may get PKed cause you're on KOS but that isnt random PK. People do not camp safe zones and I hardly see someone camping wq npcs and if they do attack me i fly away.

devotion · July 2008

karmelia wrote: »

Lets dispell once more a misconception : PvE server don't equal no PvP server.

On the PvE server, you have the option to PvP or not. It can be set on or off. (and a red name cannot opt out of PvP).

On the PvP server you don't have the option to PvP or not. PvP is on at all time.

(all that after you reach level 30, of course)

Yes but if you are already playing on a PvE server how many people are going to have the pk option turned on so you can become red named? Not many

matthew · July 2008

No disrespect taken, sigoh, but I don't run off at the mouth. In fact I mind my own business, and I only use world chat when necessary, and I don't random PK.

Lots and lots of people will be pking at level 30-40. Its because they just got the option to, and they have undroppable military armor. This will slow down past 40, when people spend a lot more money on good gears, then they need to buy dolls, which cuts down on some of the ganking.

I always watch my radar for green dots. As soon as I see one I investigate them and make sure they are not red, or looking to gank.

WarLord will wipe your guild off the map if you kill any of their members, talk smack about them in any way, or attempt to own any land.

Almost every world mission NPC outside of safe zone will have someone looking for someone at some time of the day. People love to gang up around the Outsider NPC. Basically, if you want to do World Quest(you will), and you also want to be a pker, be prepared to get ambushed every day doing WQ.

Almost every rancor event I went to ended up being a PK fest.

I'm just trying to give a heads up for newcomers what to expect in pvp server. You don't have to mouth off to get this. This is just the nature of the PVP beast.

sealed · July 2008

devotion wrote: »

Yes but if you are already playing on a PvE server how many people are going to have the pk option turned on so you can become red named? Not many

And thats the exact reason why people would want to play on the PvE Server, thank you for noticing:cool:

sealed~

ara · July 2008

sealed wrote: »

Ok but.......

Whats your point? what are you trying to prove? If the player joins a PvE Server he/she should already know that these kind of things can happen and accept it, and if not, then just join a PK Server, its the players decision and preference, some players would prefer that, your making opinions *As a PK type* for PvE player.

Sealed~

Well, all I want to say is:

It'S not like some people here want to have everyone see it: PVP server all bad, non-PVP all good, because:

- you will not die 24/7 on a PvP server, at least as long as you don't **** off too many people

-even on a non-PvP server, you will have really really bad times where you will just miss the possibility to just kill the guy

I wasn't trying to prove anything, just trying to get some facts straight. Each server type has advantages, each has disadvantages.

Someone should just list them without being to biased, so people can actually say "ah, well, i can live with this problem and like this feature, so i will go there"
and not "oh, everyone says PvP is so dangerous and you always die, so i won't go there"

senovit · July 2008

I'm going to make an archer on the pve server and repulse minibosses everywhere.

devotion · July 2008

sealed wrote: »

And thats the exact reason why people would want to play on the PvE Server, thank you for noticing:cool:

sealed~

Hes saying you have the option to. I'm saying if you have PK on and no one else does you dont have the option to PK anyone do you?

sealed · July 2008

And I was referring to that, so what you quoted is still my answer....
Just leave the PvE players alone and let them be happy with their server:D

sealed~

seawolf · July 2008

The server is neither going to be as good or as bad as some of you make it out to be.

The PvP server will probably be similar to Delphi/Oracle. The big guilds will have huge fights with some of the small guilds participating and some other small independent guilds that are generally left alone. Each of the big guilds will have some people that don't PvP much, those that might PvP sometimes, and those that are red name 24/7. You won't get ganked every time you leave safe and most of the time you'll get left alone. Maybe 10% of the time, you'll run into something on the world mission. But a lot of rival guilds leave each other alone because of the whole red name thing. I mean, you can't really camp volume 29 24/7. It may change when everyone is max level and wearing rank 8 equipment but that's so far down the line.

While leveling, it'll vary. Sometimes, you won't get disturbed for hours. Sometimes, you'll waste the whole XP scroll and some dolls. Your rival guild isn't going to camp you all the time. They need to level up too and farm HH and all that stuff (and even sleep). On the PvE server, instead of fighting with damage, people will just end up trash talking a lot with words. But, hey, they want to cater to a broader audience. Yes, there were many threads in the Malaysia forums about wanting a new PvE server so some people prefer it. It's a completely different server, just like Oracle and Delphi don't interact. I'm sure if there's enough demand, they'll open a 3rd server later, just like the PH version eventually did. On a side note, MY-PH pretty much proves that a PvE server can be successful and have active TW.

AoE parties will get disrupted all the time on both servers. On the PvP server, guild X just stuns the EP of guild Y's AoE and runs away or just wipes the whole guild Y's party if they're strong enough and guild Y people are mostly afk. Then they come back 5-10 minutes later and does it again until the whole hour is gone. On the PvE server, it'll be with luring mobs.

I don't really see why people are trying to change the other side's mind, though. After all, the PvP server will have more people into PvP so when you fight someone, that person is more likely to fight back and drop an item than just randomly killing white names and gaining red hours.

As mentioned before, there's no right and wrong with either server or one is somehow inferior. It's just different, like some people prefer apples and some prefer oranges.

ara · July 2008

I am pretty much leaving everyone alone that already decided whether to play PvP or not, but there's still a bunch of user out there that's not exactly sure what to chose.

And those are pretty much drawn away by the "pvp is bad, mimimi" guys, while the whole argument of the pvp guys up until now was "but non-pvp is boring".

Just trying to be fair

arsenio · July 2008

pvp server for me all the way lol

gotta love the thrill of being killed at anytime and hunting real opponents who do sometimes unpredictable things lol

lol don't picture me as someone who will continuosly pk people for fun ( only sometimes ) and i am not the type to attack lower lvl characters

ayako55 · July 2008

orinj wrote: »

i'm still trying to decide....

i think ima try both and see which appeals to me more.

i've read the arguments both for and against and still can't make up my mind

no doubt i will be the countless victim of PK just so ppl can say, "OMFG i killed the admin!" LOLOLOL

- O

u wont be my victim if u give me good drops for HH so no worries then

and yes im going to pvp. like junk said, im not gonna waste my time lvling and not be able to pk those who get in my way. there would be no point in kos. I LOVE KOS :cool:

sealed · July 2008

orinj wrote: »

i'm still trying to decide....

i think ima try both and see which appeals to me more.

i've read the arguments both for and against and still can't make up my mind

no doubt i will be the countless victim of PK just so ppl can say, "OMFG i killed the admin!" LOLOLOL

- O

ORINGJJJ Join the PK Server otherwise I will miss you,
and I can protect you, I'll be that guys that says *wow I defended a admin* =D

sealed~

matthew · July 2008

seawolf wrote: »

The server is neither going to be as good or as bad as some of you make it out to be.

The PvP server will probably be similar to Delphi/Oracle. The big guilds will have huge fights with some of the small guilds participating and some other small independent guilds that are generally left alone. Each of the big guilds will have some people that don't PvP much, those that might PvP sometimes, and those that are red name 24/7. You won't get ganked every time you leave safe and most of the time you'll get left alone. Maybe 10% of the time, you'll run into something on the world mission. But a lot of rival guilds leave each other alone because of the whole red name thing. I mean, you can't really camp volume 29 24/7. It may change when everyone is max level and wearing rank 8 equipment but that's so far down the line.

While leveling, it'll vary. Sometimes, you won't get disturbed for hours. Sometimes, you'll waste the whole XP scroll and some dolls. Your rival guild isn't going to camp you all the time. They need to level up too and farm HH and all that stuff (and even sleep). On the PvE server, instead of fighting with damage, people will just end up trash talking a lot with words. But, hey, they want to cater to a broader audience. Yes, there were many threads in the Malaysia forums about wanting a new PvE server so some people prefer it. It's a completely different server, just like Oracle and Delphi don't interact. I'm sure if there's enough demand, they'll open a 3rd server later, just like the PH version eventually did. On a side note, MY-PH pretty much proves that a PvE server can be successful and have active TW.

AoE parties will get disrupted all the time on both servers. On the PvP server, guild X just stuns the EP of guild Y's AoE and runs away or just wipes the whole guild Y's party if they're strong enough and guild Y people are mostly afk. Then they come back 5-10 minutes later and does it again until the whole hour is gone. On the PvE server, it'll be with luring mobs.

I don't really see why people are trying to change the other side's mind, though. After all, the PvP server will have more people into PvP so when you fight someone, that person is more likely to fight back and drop an item than just randomly killing white names and gaining red hours.

As mentioned before, there's no right and wrong with either server or one is somehow inferior. It's just different, like some people prefer apples and some prefer oranges.

Well said, I agree. I'm not trying to say pvp server is bad. There are pro's and con's to both. I was trying to point out, though, how dominating guild's and players can make it hard to level and deny content in pvp server, but that's really nothing new. I've played the pvp server for 80 levels, and I want a change. All my friends going pve server, so not really much of a choice either.

karmelia · July 2008

Well said Seawolf.

As for undecided people, I think most of us made their minds already.

And when the servers will go open beta, remember that the majority of the players won't come on the forums anyway ^_^

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