June 6th pwcn expansion: beast of homestead

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  • nbreaking
    nbreaking Posts: 607 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    I don't get it. Why do you guys say more spirit = spirit less effective? Doesn't having more spirit means having more Attack and Defense level over someone with lower Spirit?

    I don't get it either. Let's say I have 1800 spirit right now because i have the cards and spirit stones and bla bla. Someone else has 1300 spirit, so, i have 500 spirit over them.

    New boundary comes, we both do the quests and get to Whatevername Sky X which gives let's say 500 more spirit for easy math sake.

    1800 + 500=2300
    1300+500=1800

    I still have 500 spirit over that person, how does it make it any different? It will make a huge difference over for example a person that is not RB yet since having 1800 more spirit than them or 2300 is a huge difference, other than that, it doesn't make any difference at all and doesn't close the gap on anything.

    10 spirit = 1% att and def increase over another player
    40 spirit = 1% att and def increase over mobs

    If anything, more sky lvls will only help in PvE and won't change anything in PvP.

    BTW, source for those % at http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Damage#Spirit



    Mr. Justice
  • nbreaking
    nbreaking Posts: 607 Arc User
    superfedee wrote: »
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    PVP Spirit Damage = (1,000 + Attacker Spirit) / (1,000 + Target Spirit)

    you have portal and 200 spirit over that AEU person:

    Pre-new boundary:

    1000 + 1900 / 1000 + 1700

    damage x 1.074
    (200 spirit more = 7 atk\def lvls more)



    After new boundary:

    1000 + 2400 / 1000 + 2200

    damage x 1.062 (200 spirit more = 6 atk\def lvls more)

    ->
    higher spirit value gets even more nerfed from new boundary​​

    Just noticed the actual formula. It's a division and I was under the impression with was a subtraction. I thought it was something as simple as I have 1800, you have 1300, 1800-1300=500=50% but it's not so, nvm.

    Thanks for pointing it out.



    Mr. Justice
  • dingo488
    dingo488 Posts: 936 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    People started off saying 10 spirit = 1 att lvl and 1 def lvl because at the time it was true, but people that didnt understand how spirit works assumed this to always be true.

    That is no longer the case, on 1500 spirit every 100 spirit = 4 att/def lvl

    Once the new sky levels have been maxed out I would say 100 spirit is about 3.33 att lvl / def lvl.


    To answer the question about sharding with the +2 att/def lvl shards compared the +32 spirit stones question it entirely depends on the class you are playing. If you are playing classes that benefit equally from both att lvl and def lvl I would say spirit stones are better (completely ignoring the cost ofcourse, cuz its way too expensive)

    Most classes however dont benefit equally from both att lvl/def lvl...

    Classes that benefit way more from def lvl over att lvl, due to their supportive nature, would be: Clerics/Blademaster/Barbarians/Mystics... On these classes I would advise +2 Defense level shards.
    Seekers get additional scaling on defense level which you dont get from spirit, so for them the shards are amazing too.

    Classes that benefit way more from att lvl over def lvl, due to their range and mobility, would be:
    Archers/Wizards/Psychics/Stormbringers... On these classes I would advise +2 Attack level shards.

    Classes that benefit equally from both att lvl and def lvl are basically the close/mid-range DD classes:
    Assassins/Duskblades/Venomancers... Ignoring the ridiculous cost of the spirit stones I guess I would suggest spirit stones :D

    But who knows how much more free spirit we'll be getting in the future. I think investing in spirit is a terrible long-term investment, so unless you have a lot of money to waste, or you just really wanna show off and compensate for your shortcomings as a person, I would stay away from the spirit stones entirely :s
  • suzukmann
    suzukmann Posts: 86 Arc User
    nbreaking wrote: »
    superfedee wrote: »
    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz

    PVP Spirit Damage = (1,000 + Attacker Spirit) / (1,000 + Target Spirit)

    you have portal and 200 spirit over that AEU person:

    Pre-new boundary:

    1000 + 1900 / 1000 + 1700

    damage x 1.074
    (200 spirit more = 7 atk\def lvls more)



    After new boundary:

    1000 + 2400 / 1000 + 2200

    damage x 1.062 (200 spirit more = 6 atk\def lvls more)

    ->
    higher spirit value gets even more nerfed from new boundary​​

    Just noticed the actual formula. It's a division and I was under the impression with was a subtraction. I thought it was something as simple as I have 1800, you have 1300, 1800-1300=500=50% but it's not so, nvm.

    Thanks for pointing it out.

    which is really good news ... as spirit in itself is such a stupid stat from a design perspective to begin with.

    just like this big mmo in azeroth realized after what felt like a decade , that such a stat is jsut plain bs
  • dingo488
    dingo488 Posts: 936 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    superfedee wrote: »

    inb4 a full atk lvl db hits you for 30ks
    (at endgame 60k (70k if portal) base damage, 85% crit rate, 220 atk lvls)

    I feel like if someone told you that a fast car needs good brakes your reaction would be:

    inb4 my car drives faster than yours.


    In any larger PvP setting a Duskblade needs to be mindful of both his offensive capabilities aswell as his defensive capabilities.
    Thats one of the prices that comes with being melee. Duskblades that completely ignore their defensive capabilites fail as a Duskblade in any type of large PvP as they are either dead or too limited in up-time. My personal experience with opposing DBs in both xTW and TW is that a lot of them think like that, they are capable of hitting 30k damage, they are also completely useless in xTW/TW because of that. At least in my experience, I havent done battle against a single effective DB in both TW/xTW. Perhaps its cuz its a bad class for big PvP, or perhaps its cuz they rather hit 30k dmg once instead of hitting 10k dmg 10 times.
  • keihan007#7641
    keihan007#7641 Posts: 1,190 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    superfedee wrote: »
    dingo488 wrote: »
    Classes that benefit way more from att lvl over def lvl, due to their range and mobility, would be:
    Archers/Wizards/Psychics/Stormbringers... On these classes I would advise +2 Attack level shards.

    Classes that benefit equally from both att lvl and def lvl are basically the close/mid-range DD classes:
    Assassins/Duskblades/Venomancers... Ignoring the ridiculous cost of the spirit stones I guess I would suggest spirit stones :D

    inb4 a full atk lvl db hits you for 30ks
    (at endgame 60k (70k if portal) base damage, 85% crit rate, 220 atk lvls)

    imo anything that can zerkcrit should be deity\atk lvls, the spike damage just scales so much with atk lvl amp, it can give space for solo kills at endgame even in mass​​

    Attack levels scale terribly badly, unless you are hitting JOSD target and even still they are even with JOSD sharding at best. I would also love to see how DB manages to get 220 attack levels. Unless you are assuming demon buff proc in it, which would be just idiotic assumption in mass.

    As for the shard comparison, we are already way beyond the point(350 spirit , yes, really) where spirit shards(+25 spirit) are better over 2 attack levels offensively. Spirit has always been overrated but sharding with spirit now is more or less idiotic, even if you need to pick what you want(attack or defense). I really should be redoing my own shards <.<.
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  • attackerv
    attackerv Posts: 295 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    =======06/03/2016 update==========
    pwcn new expansion update patch annoucement

    http://w2i.wanmei.com/news/bulletin/20160603/76932.shtml

    no time to translate point by point cuz busy in rl

    many homestead stuff for skins

    but no new gear, many skills including some ultra skills are enhanced.

    for example, archer can knock back ppl by feather amageddon skill

    two passive skill: reduce crit dmg and increase def lvl

    Hopefully, some good ppl can translate them to pwi players
    Main Chars in tidewell:
    Attacker_V: archer
    Seraphim_V: Veno
    xNightshadowx: db
  • mars19
    mars19 Posts: 80 Arc User
    So will be 2 new passives: Decrease crit damage and Increase def lvl. They need both blood types to learn,will see amount 6 june.
  • tictic99999
    tictic99999 Posts: 204 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    yay nurfing sins/db, well to be exact, all zerk crit classes.

    whenever someone finds the pastebin of the skills plox post so i can try to translate some stuff and make sense of it.
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    Dawnglory's legendary Stormbringer ShockWave LV 105-105-103
    7 year old Harshlands character, semi-retired Wizard Boomz
    Will he reach 1800 spirit?
  • catgirldesu
    catgirldesu Posts: 993 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    Pretty curious about that skill update... I wonder if it's an update like the one we had some years ago. (Not requiring farming to get new books).​​
  • weapon762
    weapon762 Posts: 187 Arc User
    In what section do you see the updated for characters skills ?
    Vae Victis.
  • jadasia
    jadasia Posts: 520 Arc User
    Pretty curious about that skill update... I wonder if it's an update like the one we had some years ago. (Not requiring farming to get new books).​​

    I have reason to believe that the new passives require leveling the 2 new boundary levels which means dailies until the end of time.
  • dingo488
    dingo488 Posts: 936 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    Seems the skills getting updated are:

    BM

    ulti
    Farstrike
    Spirit Chaser
    Flame Tsunami

    Wizard

    ulti
    Elemental Invocation
    Frozen Flame

    Barb

    Roar
    Sunder
    Cornered Beast
    (+ I guess 2 of the newer skills)

    Veno

    Ulti
    Malefic Crush
    Dark Taboo
    Stunning Blow
    (and probably Grudge Strike)

    Cleric

    RB
    Revive
    Guardian Light

    Archer

    Ult
    Feather Armageddon
    Frost Splash
    Ataraxia

    Psychic

    Ulti
    Spirit Phalanx
    Soul of Silence (COULD IT BE?!...prolly not)
    Furious Ocean
    Shroud of Shadow

    Sin

    Ulti
    Cursed Jail
    Knife Throw
    Blood Frenzy
    Deaden Nerves

    Seeker

    Ulti
    Gravel Blade
    Wind Blade
    Sac Slash
    (+ I think the combined version of the debuffs)

    Mystic

    Sublime Transfusion
    Nature's Barrier
    Energy Leech
    (+ prolly 2 of the new skills)

    Duskblade and Stormbringer I have no clue


    Either way this might be 100% wrong, but it also might not be :3

  • chary
    chary Posts: 850 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    **** FINALLY UPDATING GUARDIAN LIGHT.





    I apologize for my above outburst.​​
  • asterelle
    asterelle Posts: 861 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    Annoyingly they put the skill update previews in an image. I was able to translate it with my phone's translate app though: If you're up to it you can use this image http://i.imgur.com/4OTIPA6.png

    Archer section says:

    Blackwing Arrow: After casting players can pick one of the 3 follow up skills (currently it's random), Phys Penetration buff effect is increased and duration is extended.
    Feather Armageddon: Repels Players
    Frost Splash: Shorter Casting Time
    Ataraxia: Shorter Channeling Time

    I think Feather Armageddon is going to be the only relevant skill here considering the others have long cooldowns. I'm not really sure though if it will be used before leap or wings of grace, I don't really see SBs use their version very much. We'll see.
    I'll get some real descriptions out once the patch is available for download.
    ​​
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  • catgirldesu
    catgirldesu Posts: 993 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    Fox Form attack skills are getting updated? Well, that's... disappointing if this is indeed true. So much for an update. tiger-24.gif
    Unless the update is somehow really awesome. I don't want another case of Primal World where the skills updated are still mostly irrelevant, like Dark Taboo. But maybe they give us a longer duration on Malefic Crush's Paralyze. tiger-46.gif

    ​​
    Post edited by catgirldesu on
  • freygin
    freygin Posts: 737 Arc User
    Finally, the drops for red mat will be in fragments, it'll make life easier. Btw is the fragment tradeable or bound ?

    Feather Armageddon : Repel Players, with melees having ridiculous stunlock nowadays, this skill effect is a nice addition to archers. Hopefully cleric, the other elf counterpart will be given a fun skill as well xD

    I hope they will give a skill for cleric that has anything to do with movement or something useful to DD or help land a kill. . Something like Elven Boon will have a one-time guaranteed 100% seal during the cooldown of either Seal of God or Chromatic Seal, or 100% silence when Chromatic Seal(sleep skill) is in cooldown. Can anyone translate the cleric section ? I'm dead curious to know.
  • testxvi
    testxvi Posts: 309 Arc User
    Venomancer:
    Ultimative Summoning:
    Increased damage and increased damage effects (maybe damage %?)... But honestly not sure about this one.

    Malefic Crush
    Significant damage increase (lol)

    Stunning Blow
    Significant damage increase.

    Dark Taboo
    Increased damage, and increase the HP you absorb depends on soulforce.

    Grudge Strike
    Significant damage increase


    Sage and demon gets the same updates so nothing to mention about that.

    Man, thats dissapointing for venos..



  • suzukmann
    suzukmann Posts: 86 Arc User
    psychic s3ection says :

    nothing worth translating, as we getting shafted just like every other update
  • blazerboy
    blazerboy Posts: 1,673 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    Nerf sins and / duskblades I understand sins but duskblades Im kind of surprised in mass pvp db arent nearly bad as sins but w.e this is fine for me magic classes depend on crits at times well the DD ones like diety psychics ect if this means easoer to cc w.o worry of a 30k hit fine with me
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  • catgirldesu
    catgirldesu Posts: 993 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    testxvi wrote: »
    Venomancer:
    Ultimative Summoning:
    Increased damage and increased damage effects (maybe damage %?)... But honestly not sure about this one.

    Malefic Crush
    Significant damage increase (lol)

    Stunning Blow
    Significant damage increase.

    Dark Taboo
    Increased damage, and increase the HP you absorb depends on soulforce.

    Grudge Strike
    Significant damage increase


    Sage and demon gets the same updates so nothing to mention about that.

    Man, thats dissapointing for venos..



    Eww.
    If they want to give us more damage they need to add it to our spells.. you know, the skills we actually use for damage. monkey-9.gif
    Unless these Fox Form attacks will somehow deal similar damage as our spells (thus giving us the option to deal any relevant damage in Fox Form), but I highly doubt it.
    ​​
  • suzukmann
    suzukmann Posts: 86 Arc User
    yay nurfing sins/db, well to be exact, all zerk crit classes.

    whenever someone finds the pastebin of the skills plox post so i can try to translate some stuff and make sense of it.

    just in theory : wouldnt a crit defense passive nerf ALL classes, and hit magic classes most?

    like... mewlee got zerk. so still good dmg ... magic aint got zerk , and crit dmg gets reduced.?


    correct me if im wrong
  • catgirldesu
    catgirldesu Posts: 993 Arc User
    Magic Classes get "zerk" on their G17 weapons so that might have influenced their decision... but who even has G17 weapons lol. Those won't be around anytime soon. I suppose PWCN players don't need 5th cast though. The 3rd cast might already be better than the weapons most players use there. I don't know.​​
  • blazerboy
    blazerboy Posts: 1,673 Arc User
    My question is, is there an efficient way to translate i tried several phone apps none work trying to find the duskblade ones
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  • testxvi
    testxvi Posts: 309 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    Cleric
    Guardian Light
    Increased speed

    Revive
    It's recovering some of the players HP (maybe MP too?) when ressed. How much I'm not sure
    Same text for sage and demon

    RB
    Just more damage increase

    The res sounds like a really nice upgrade for clerics, or rather, for people that die (like me) lol
  • klys
    klys Posts: 283 Arc User
    Complete ghetto OCR + Shetty Mystic Translate at bottom. GL

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    魅灵l }焚心星燎原l }提高技能效。
    夜影l }真胧l }修复技能无法流畅须发问题。
    夜影l }狂胧l }修复技能无法流畅须发问题。
    夜影l }玄月饮l }修复技能无法流畅须发问题。
    夜影l }荒月饮l }修复技能无法流畅须发问题。
    夜影l }影遁l }技能状态存在期间,增加角色移动速度。同时修复技能无法流畅须发问题。
    夜影l }嗦月l }技能效果范围增加。
    夜影l }至嗦月l }技能效果范围增加。
    月仙l 玄月神之体 }缩短技能的吟唱时间。
    月仙l 荒月褚 扭之体l }缩短技能的吟唱时间。
    月仙l 真望月昧 }提高技能效果,附加伤害提高。
    月仙l 狂望月昧 }提高技能效果,受到 }的伤害降低。
    月仙l 玄霜雷霞 }减少施放技能所消耗的元气。
    月仙l 荒霜雷霞 }减少施放技能所消耗的元气。


    Charm Ling l} l} hit the magic herbs increase blood initial return to the role of attack power equipment linked to increased health regeneration gradually increase.
    Ling Xian Herbs Charm l} l} increase more blood to reply to the role of equipment linked to the attack.
    Charm Ling l} l} magic healing herbs increase blood reply to the role of equipment linked to the attack.
    Charm Ling l} l} natural barriers skills effect, by a lower damage.
    Charm true spirit l} Discovery days for the day l skills modify between eyes cast.
    Charm Ling l} Great Discovery days for the day l skills modify clarity between cast.
    Charm Ling l} l} Fenxin Star prairie skills effect.
  • testxvi
    testxvi Posts: 309 Arc User
    Seal of Silence, cause I was curious
    The greater difference there is in soulforce between the caster and the person who gets it, the attacking person will be sealed for a shorter time.
  • jabq
    jabq Posts: 821 Arc User
    klys wrote: »
    Charm Ling l


    What if you fail at charming Ling?WvGls3t.png​​