Give me a good argument why should all servers be PVP

bloodedone87 said:

Nobody bashed end game ppl. If I would have hated end game players I would have not run FWS( my being the one that maked the squad so I could have easy kick them) with end game players.
Bots are gone now since dq was nerfed so its no point to talk about them anymore. Yes they were annoying as hell but thats in the past now.
Accusing someone that he does primal chain quests in the same area like you is plain stupid. As long as he didnt target your exactly the mobs you were attacking you cannot accuse that person for stealing mobs . All people must quest for dailies the same mobs in the same areas. Or what do you people want? To stand in line and quest one after other? If you go afk should we wait 1 hour or 2 untill you decide to come back.
Another stupid thing is killing someone for what that person said in wc. As long as its not directed at you or your friends why do you care what someone says in wc?
Boss stealing? I never had someone steal my bosses from me. In fact when I had to kill a boss and someone stronger than me came there that person invited me to squad. I remember 2 weaks ago I had to kill 3 frogs for time morai quests and there camed a r9 cleric that invited me to squad. Once I had to do morai purple quest and there was a seeker needing the same mobs as me and this time I invited him to squad.
KILLING MOBS IN THE SAME AREA AS YOU DO DOESNT MEAN STEALLING THEM FROM YOU.
Im not against people having PvP server. You can go there and kill eachother. Im against turning all servers to pvp.
I like being blue ty. I like questing without worrying that maybe this is the day when someone attacks me.

shade13 said:

dagoddominator wrote: »

i wonder if the ppl raving for all PVP woudl still want it if their r9rr were to be rolled back and everyone were duking it out with r8r instead?

blazerboy wrote: »

@eirghan I understand your point and on PvP servers there was a extremely small minority who actually did harassment and the majority of people crying they were harassed I bet did something to antogonize the person who harassed them theres consequences to your actions and if you got the guts to call someone our who our gear or outskill you w.o backup you should be able to face them. This wasnt a perma fix but dang right it was fun to kill the jerk who came at you verbally half the time. XD
The harassing you are refering to the basic random harassing usually got you so much stigma go ahead least safezone for dailies or bs with friends you will find yourself right back there because of your past transgressions

Sure, I won't deny that there are a ton of people like that in PWI - People who talk big and ask for a challenge and antagonize people, but I'm talking about the other scenarios where the person is just antagonized for something minor, like how they talk, or what faction they are in; the people who don't insult others or act like a douchecanoe. But even the jerks don't deserve to have a group standing over them griefing them while they try to get their dailies done (at least in my opinion) unless they specifically choose to play that way. If they want to be a jerk and fight it out with someone, cool. But then once it's done I think even jerks should be able to go on with their week, or month, or year...

This gets more and more into the opinion of anarchy vs democracy. IE Anarchy: Don't be a jerk or youre gonna get killed. Democracy: Everyone has a right to free speech and safety while going about their daily business even if youre a jerk. Frankly, I think the mixed server is as democratic as PWI can get (since the government does jack and can't be voted out of office) and it was probably made this way to match (or grew to be this way because of) the north american way of thinking.

You can argue that a game should be fun, and it's fun to kill people you don't like, but it's all a spectrum and no definitive line between the player deserving to be killed or not; no definitive line between when that killing becomes harassment or a violation of that players free right to enjoy playing the game. This is why PWI most likely stepped clear of responsibility for this. There's a button, you can choose to kill or be killed, or you can play it safe. You don't like being killed? Push the button. You like to be killed and kill others? Leave the button alone. Simple. Easy... and Cheap. Not enough people to kill? Ah well. The cost of server autonomy is quality of game play. At least PWI isn't losing money....

implode wrote: »

but I've complained since the start that we're on a PVE server and yet most major events (e.g. TW, NW, RW) are all PVP based

Wut?

chary said:

You can drop as blue name to mobs as well, iirc. They don't discriminate.​​

phoeny1 wrote: »

As a prior LC player who started right after beta was finished, I have to start this post off with how boring the game has gotten for me. Let me explain, why.

1. Yes, LC was a PVP server, and being a noob to MMO's I had no idea what that meant. But a group of 6 of us joined the game together. We coordinated our toons so we had 1 person playing each class so that we could run as a squad. We asked, read, and listened to others who were higher geared/rank and succeeded. Yes, there were people who would camp the lower quests, but I found normally if we qq'd in wc, someone from the guild that held that area of the map would come and run them off or if you didn't qq but spoke with them (i.e. Thanks for the nap, etc) normally they would wind up helping you complete your quest. And so we survived and learned the game from the beginning. It took me around 5 years to get my R9 gear and prior to the merge was beginning to push for the shards and refines, I needed to really excel on my main.

2. As each expansion was rolled out, for the majority of the changes, I was excited to play PWI even tried to get other friends to join. With the introduction of the Earthguard and SB/DB I found my interest growing again. BUT with the last few expansions, I have found less and less interest in the game. Why?

• a. The merge with Sanctuary - No, I was not a PK'er but would fight to protect a guildie, or if attacked. Two of the original squad had left LC for Sanc because of the PK as they wanted PVE only, but I was not interested in starting over. Our guild had a good rep and normally our lowbies were not touched by pk'ers, but again if needed, we did have enforcers to help them. When we were merged to Sanc, I found it was harder to complete quests because, of ppl stealing mobs, not working together to complete the quest, etc. Many times I wished that both of us were white named so I could PK them. Also, coming into Sanc's economy where the prices and costs were so much higher, it has made it so much harder to trying to work at bettering my gear with shards/refines or even pay for the repairs to my gears. Which brings me to the next problem.
• b. DQ points and auto-cultivation - I was so excited about the auto-cultivation and what it would mean by giving me the means to pay for items/repairs needed. But of course that changed too... Now the only thing i use auto-culti for is for guild base quests or mobs that I don't have to worry about them doing damage to me. So I guess that auto-culti is something that is not needed LOL, but still here. If I was a brand new player, and didn't cash shop, there wouldn't be any way that I could get to R9 in 5 years.
• c. Nation Wars - I used to love going as it would allow me to test my gear and see how I was able to survive against others without having to actively PK others, or join in the PK fests at Silver Pool, W. Arch, or Snowy Village. BUT I have decided not to participate because of the futility of ever being in a winning nation among other reasons. No, I'm not complaining like others about the commander, guilds who hate each other, etc. But about the discrepancy of the number of players 2 out of the 4 servers have to go against and the times. I have gone to each NW til this last weekend, when I decided that the benefits (able to get SOW/RAPS/UNCANNY) have not gone far enough to pay for repairs. Plus then you add in the idea of the 2 smallest servers (looking at the #'s attending NW) continuously being sandwiched between the 2 larger servers and the futility of going into an area with 10 ppl and being out numbered sometimes as much as 3-1 and the times for me which are 1PM on Saturday and Sunday which I use for errands/shopping/family times.
• d. Higher level dungeons - OMG is all I can say. I dont understand the reason we have pushed for the higher levels, and completely forgotten the lowbies. (Oh, I forgot, the lowbies have fewer quests to level, pill babies, and Quicksand Maze, if they can find someone to help them). I know that once ppl get to higher levels they get bored, but now you have Heaven and Hell (lv 90's?), Morai (LV95), Primal (lv 100) with their respective dungeons. To name a few dungeons that I do not enjoy doing and kinda refuse to go into are: (AEU, FS(both type), UCH, and now Heavensfall (repairs costs to high)). So I contend with the next subject.
• e. Dailies - Check in(attendance) Thank you for making it automatic, Crazy Stone, Faction Base Quests, 3 in Morai, BH's (unless it is one of the dungeons listed above), and 8 in Primal. Thank you for the action stones, although you have to buy them. If you are working on more than 2 toons then you have spent all evening (at least 4 hours completing all of the quests, with no time to help others, if needed). So lately all I have been doing is signing in and doing the check in and go back to other things (not games) that I am involved in.
• f. World Chat - LOL you mean the qq, sales, ppl insulting each other

3. Phew, now that I got all my complaints out, let me give PWI the kudos, they deserve and my suggestions to help maybe?

• a. The merge of servers - good idea, but I think giving ppl a chance to change servers if they wished with their toons would have been better. LC had a low payer base, and you pretty much knew every1. I have enjoyed meeting new ppl, but the # of guilds is staggering.
• b. I like the idea of cross-server NW but wish it could be evened out somehow, so there might be a chance for the 2 smaller servers to come in first or second. I don't know how, except to do like in the Temple of Blood, and put a cap on # of players allowed. Also, it would be nice to be able to squad up on our server before entering into NW.
• c. Suggestion on the BH's - Bh's are level oriented, but possibly look at orienting them at lvs 100, 101, etc... dont force ppl to go into instances they don't want to.
• d. With the demise of DQ prices, maybe some events like there used to be to earn coins? More events in game not only in the forums.

Overall, I still think PWI is still a great game. I love the graphics, classes, fashions, and visuals. I love the new area in primal. Heck I've even thought about starting a new toon just to play something different. I've played a veno, cleric, mystic, sin (ugh), archer, seeker, psychic, wizzie, bm, and stormbringer but even though the costs are high, (and traded gear around), I can't decide if I really want to. I also like the GM's showing up on the different servers (maybe they can do some of the events they used to host?) Domino, I like your live shows wish they were better advertised.