PWI Eclipse Expansion Preview, launching 12/16

Boomz - Harshlands

I'm sorry but whoever said that a sword can reach 5 aps is extremely mistaken. sins can reach 5 aps with demon triple spark and .5 total interval on a 1.25 base. That means swords need .6 + 25%. their demon form is 20% and .6 does not exist in this game except for triple interval daggers and double int r8rr which that gear is completely terrible and a 1 shot, so is aps gear. It is awful. So in the end not only is aps not viable on this class, it would also be rather stupid. Your "aps" will be roughly 1.67-1.82 (if even that) fully geared in demon form and thats more than enough. The physical class like i said before is not a damage class it is a class made for support and its damage will suck.

Foxyas - Dreamweaver

Boomz - Harshlands wrote: »

I'm sorry but whoever said that a sword can reach 5 aps is extremely mistaken. sins can reach 5 aps with demon triple spark and .5 total interval on a 1.25 base. That means swords need .6 + 25%. their demon form is 20% and .6 does not exist in this game except for triple interval daggers and double int r8rr which that gear is completely terrible and a 1 shot, so is aps gear. It is awful. So in the end not only is aps not viable on this class, it would also be rather stupid. Your "aps" will be roughly 1.67-1.82 (if even that) fully geared in demon form and thats more than enough. The physical class like i said before is not a damage class it is a class made for support and its damage will suck.

Well that all depends now...I'm a PVE player, not a PVP player. So I can use Night Shadows if they can somehow reach 5APS for more fun farming, I mean nothing wrong with 5aps sin but gets boring after a while, you know?

Joe - Morai

Boomz - Harshlands wrote: »

I'm sorry but whoever said that a sword can reach 5 aps is extremely mistaken. sins can reach 5 aps with demon triple spark and .5 total interval on a 1.25 base. That means swords need .6 + 25%. their demon form is 20% and .6 does not exist in this game except for triple interval daggers and double int r8rr which that gear is completely terrible and a 1 shot, so is aps gear. It is awful. So in the end not only is aps not viable on this class, it would also be rather stupid. Your "aps" will be roughly 1.67-1.82 (if even that) fully geared in demon form and thats more than enough. The physical class like i said before is not a damage class it is a class made for support and its damage will suck.

No, I'm never wrong. You just lack information.

From all we know is that the Night Shadow will have ~ the same aps possibilities as a sin.

They gain 20% attack speed while being transformed ! + ! 25% Attack speed on top with a demon spark.

With all Interval possible (and what is needed for a sin to be 5.0 with r9 dags) you could be 2.5 Basic attack speed.

Add 20% to those 2.5 and you're a 3.33. Ad 25% to 3.33 and you are at 5.0. I dunno whats not understandable on that part..

I even made a pwcalc link fr intervals only.

http://pwcalc.com/fec7277965a68a8b

Use the Heavens Wraith cleric skill to emulate the 20% boost. You see we are at 3.33 now and everyone know that a demon spark will push you to 5.00 from 3.33 (don't try to test that in the calc because heavens Wraiths + triple spark does not stack, the one from night shadow WILL!)

To add to it. We know that at max lvl the increase in attack speed will be 20% while being transformed. I could bet that it can get even higher with demon/sage but assumingly they wn't push the demons to 30% or more simply because then you could reach 5.0 with standard aps gear (tt99/vana). We will see.

Foxyas - Dreamweaver

Joe - Morai wrote: »

No, I'm never wrong. You just lack information.

From all we know is that the Night Shadow will have ~ the same aps possibilities as a sin.

They gain 20% attack speed while being transformed ! + ! 25% Attack speed on top with a demon spark.

With all Interval possible (and what is needed for a sin to be 5.0 with r9 dags) you could be 2.5 Basic attack speed.

Add 20% to those 2.5 and you're a 3.33. Ad 25% to 3.33 and you are at 5.0. I dunno whats not understandable on that part..

I even made a pwcalc link fr intervals only.

http://pwcalc.com/fec7277965a68a8b

Use the Heavens Wraith cleric skill to emulate the 20% boost. You see we are at 3.33 now and everyone know that a demon spark will push you to 5.00 from 3.33 (don't try to test that in the calc because heavens Wraiths + triple spark does not stack, the one from night shadow WILL!)

To add to it. We know that at max lvl the increase in attack speed will be 20% while being transformed. I could bet that it can get even higher with demon/sage but assumingly they wn't push the demons to 30% or more simply because then you could reach 5.0 with standard aps gear (tt99/vana). We will see.

Wait, your gonna need 0.10 interval from most armor to even get near? Well that's a plan gone dead. The actual time to pull this off would take years. Guess I'll stick to a full set of g16 and make a DPH NS.

Joe - Morai

Foxyas - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Wait, your gonna need 0.10 interval from most armor to even get near? Well that's a plan gone dead. The actual time to pull this off would take years. Guess I'll stick to a full set of g16 and make a DPH NS.

This was an example. You need exactly that gear as a sin to be 5.0 with r9 daggers while being triple sparked. We have some ppl with that setup. Since we will be getting 4 stats each part on r8rr(altho unconfirmed) it should get easier to achieve that -int, maybe even more -int.

If you just stick to normal aps gears (tt99/vana) like most sins use then you are just like them @4.0 aps. Thats quite ok too, considering their dmg increasing stuffs and all well, that would be awesome.

Eoria - Harshlands

5.0 with swords is possible and hilarious. Not a viable pvp build anymore in most circumstances, but it's fine for pve.

Joe - Morai

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

5.0 with swords is possible and hilarious. Not a viable pvp build anymore in most circumstances, but it's fine for pve.

Ah well, a demon seeker with a full josd r8rr built with 5.0 triple sparked would be the deadliest foe to face. Still great survivability and massive dmg (being full +12 ofc).

The dmg is not even imaginable.

XXHotXx - Morai

Joe - Morai wrote: »

Ah well, a demon seeker with a full josd r8rr built with 5.0 triple sparked would be the deadliest foe to face. Still great survivability and massive dmg (being full +12 ofc).

The dmg is not even imaginable.

you forgot that moon fairy class has a squad buff that reduces incoming damage from auto attacks by 60% (s i x t y) for 30 minutes

so APS in pvp now are PLAIN dead and buried

Joe - Morai

XXHotXx - Morai wrote: »

you forgot that moon fairy class has a squad buff that reduces incoming damage from auto attacks by 60% (s i x t y) for 30 minutes

so APS in pvp now are PLAIN dead and buried

Ya sure xD it will be then, cept for 1on1s. And with 5.0...you are doing nothing but 1on1s xDDD

Boomz - Harshlands

Joe - Morai wrote: »

No, I'm never wrong. You just lack information.

From all we know is that the Night Shadow will have ~ the same aps possibilities as a sin.

They gain 20% attack speed while being transformed ! + ! 25% Attack speed on top with a demon spark.

With all Interval possible (and what is needed for a sin to be 5.0 with r9 dags) you could be 2.5 Basic attack speed.

Add 20% to those 2.5 and you're a 3.33. Ad 25% to 3.33 and you are at 5.0. I dunno whats not understandable on that part..

I even made a pwcalc link fr intervals only.

http://pwcalc.com/fec7277965a68a8b

Use the Heavens Wraith cleric skill to emulate the 20% boost. You see we are at 3.33 now and everyone know that a demon spark will push you to 5.00 from 3.33 (don't try to test that in the calc because heavens Wraiths + triple spark does not stack, the one from night shadow WILL!)

To add to it. We know that at max lvl the increase in attack speed will be 20% while being transformed. I could bet that it can get even higher with demon/sage but assumingly they wn't push the demons to 30% or more simply because then you could reach 5.0 with standard aps gear (tt99/vana). We will see.

your logic is flawed, every single aps boosting buff in the game is exactly the same, they do not stack. wind shield, rb, demon spark, archer quickshot, etc all 1 buff that overwrite each other.

edit: also that build you put there costs = to r9 to make and already has more interval than any normal aps set. even with that you would have 3.33 aps in demon and 4 aps with spark, 5 aps still is not possible (unless you think you can get a triple and double int stat which would be the cost of full r9 3rd + 10 with nw cast) not to mention not viable, also the r9 wep has GoF you'd just kill yourself from dealing more damage than healing.

double edit: actually you would have 3.33 aps in both demon and demon spark cause pwi is weird like that. you need 2.82 base and w/ triple spark = 4.0

XXHotXx - Morai

Boomz - Harshlands wrote: »

your logic is flawed, every single aps boosting buff in the game is exactly the same, they do not stack. wind shield, rb, demon spark, archer quickshot, etc all 1 buff that overwrite each other.

edit: also that build you put there costs = to r9 to make and already has more interval than any normal aps set. even with that you would have 3.33 aps in demon and 4 aps with spark, 5 aps still is not possible (unless you think you can get a triple and double int stat which would be the cost of full r9 3rd + 10 with nw cast) not to mention not viable, also the r9 wep has GoF you'd just kill yourself from dealing more damage than healing.

double edit: actually you would have 3.33 aps in both dmeon and demon spark cause pwi is weird like that.

thats not true,
there are buffs like CotD that modifies your APS value that would eventually stack with the rib strike debuff,

so if demon form itself modifies the APS value w\o adding any buff,
the standard APS increase buff will stack with whatever the demon form will provide passively

Joe - Morai

XXHotXx - Morai wrote: »

thats not true,
there are buffs like CotD that modifies your APS value that would eventually stack with the rib strike debuff,

so if demon form itself modifies the APS value w\o adding any buff,
the standard APS increase buff will stack with whatever the demon form will provide passively

Thats pretty much it. The Transformation + other aps increasing buffs stack.

Psytrac - Dreamweaver

moon fairy level 3 transformation buff


moon fairy r9 3rd weapon


Night Shadow r9 3rd weapon

bloodedone87

Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »

moon fairy level 3 transformation buff


moon fairy r9 3rd weapon


Night Shadow r9 3rd weapon

I dont see the weapon. I see only stats from the weaponb:sad

Psytrac - Dreamweaver

bloodedone87 wrote: »

I dont see the weapon. I see only stats from the weaponb:sad

well, yea.. I don't HAVE it..

and I sincerely doubt anyone with a new class is 101 already on china's servers

WanMei is not PWE and doesn't sell rep and levels with every expansion

bloodedone87

I wonder what name we will get for this new expansion. And if they will keep moon fairy and night shadow names or it will be different ones. Till now we dont got any class with 2 names.

Psytrac - Dreamweaver

bloodedone87 wrote: »

I wonder what name we will get for this new expansion. And if they will keep moon fairy and night shadow names or it will be different ones. Till now we dont got any class with 2 names.

I honesty doubt the "Long" race and "Night Shadow" "Moon Fairy" names, but right now that is all we have to go on

Azura - Lost City

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

5.0 with swords is possible and hilarious. Not a viable pvp build anymore in most circumstances, but it's fine for pve.

Viable in old pve instances or for botting, not in the new ones.

Fail_BM - Raging Tide

So... What can you farm in the new low lvl instance?

Does anyone have a detailed list of what TT mats you need for both new classes weapons?

I wish I could download PWCN and check it by myself, but it will take over one week with my crappy download speed.

opkossy

Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »

moon fairy level 3 transformation buff


moon fairy r9 3rd weapon


Night Shadow r9 3rd weapon

I wonder if we'll get their version or if they'll create a special version for us like they've done with the other classes so far.

Joe - Morai

OPKossy wrote: »

I wonder if we'll get their version or if they'll create a special version for us like they've done with the other classes so far.

XD you don't really think that they would just take over theirs weaps. Very unlikely.

Like I said before...it is highly assumable that the night shadows weap will be more or less the same as the dagfers and the moon fairies weapon will be like the clerics glaive. Why? Because their cn versions are nearly the same as well. Both in terms of dmg and stats.

Psytrac - Dreamweaver

Fail_BM - Raging Tide wrote: »

So... What can you farm in the new low lvl instance?

Does anyone have a detailed list of what TT mats you need for both new classes weapons?

I wish I could download PWCN and check it by myself, but it will take over one week with my crappy download speed.

I can get a list, but it seems to be the same as psy and sin mats

Mars - Morai

Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »

well, yea.. I don't HAVE it..

and I sincerely doubt anyone with a new class is 101 already on china's servers

WanMei is not PWE and doesn't sell rep and levels with every expansion

They chinese,so its lots of 101+ 2nd reborn already and saw few with r9r3 wep.

And both transformations have 5lvls and lasts 30 secs. 5lvl learns at 89lvl.

As for TT mats, scythe like sphere/daggers. Night shadow have +205 hp instead of interval on 80lvl wep.
Other stats similar to daggers and mats like for Blade.

Psytrac - Dreamweaver

Mars - Morai wrote: »

They chinese,so its lots of 101+ 2nd reborn already and saw few with r9r3 wep.

Care to provide some proof of that?

Mars - Morai

Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Care to provide some proof of that?

r9r3 scythe http://s019.radikal.ru/i629/1410/64/294afa238f52.jpg

Im not running and searching them,coz its nothing surprising.

after week since update saw first 90+ 1st reborn ppl on test server.

bloodedone87

Mars - Morai wrote: »

r9r3 scythe http://s019.radikal.ru/i629/1410/64/294afa238f52.jpg

Im not running and searching them,coz its nothing surprising.

after week since update saw first 90+ 1st reborn ppl on test server.

I want a picture of the scythe not just not just some stats written in chinise( dont know if its the correct word). A picture with the person holding the scythe would be nice. I can see only stats for a rank9rrr weapon. I dont know if its the moon fairy weapon or another magic weapon.

AlysonRose - Heavens Tear

For the race name, idk but I imagine something dragon-related. Doesn't "long" mean dragon in Chinese?

The class names that we have so far are probably as good as being official at this point, because they are good enough *shrugs*

That being said I think the the "Night Hunters" could simply be called Shades and the "moon faeries" could be called Witches.

Simple no?

ZentDreigon - Raging Tide

AlysonRose - Heavens Tear wrote: »

For the race name, idk but I imagine something dragon-related. Doesn't "long" mean dragon in Chinese?

The class names that we have so far are probably as good as being official at this point, because they are good enough *shrugs*

That being said I think the the "Night Hunters" could simply be called Shades and the "moon faeries" could be called Witches.

Simple no?

The race name will most likely be draconian style. As for the classes, the "night shadow" can become anything good at this point. But male "moon fairies" or "witches"? Lol. No.

Asterelle - Sanctuary

bloodedone87 wrote: »

I want a picture of the scythe not just not just some stats written in chinise( dont know if its the correct word). A picture with the person holding the scythe would be nice. I can see only stats for a rank9rrr weapon. I dont know if its the moon fairy weapon or another magic weapon.

It's probably one of the ones in here http://imgur.com/a/L5r5N

Mars - Morai

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

It's probably one of the ones in here http://imgur.com/a/L5r5N

r9r3
http://i.imgur.com/XupdKCk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eEdpDdO.png