PvP Tournament Sign-Ups (Closed)

_CurseD - Archosaur

imo it should just be like same rules as the OLD PWIC tournament held

Not Allowed to:

*get buffss outside squad
*stealth more than a certain amount of time
*once u die u are ported out of the instance( this how it was during the event)
* i agree w/ the comments above. Buffs from people outside squad shouldnt be allowed, and apoth buffs shouldnt be allowed either. Theres a reason why we picked our squad members.

Allowed:

everything

Slivaf - Dreamweaver

Jarkhen - Archosaur wrote: »

Uhhh...

Hate to break it to you, but cleric res has a one second cooldown.

:$ lol its been a while since i been on my cleric... but yea that 1 second cooldown does make it really hard to counter/makes the window of opportunity ridiculously small.... arguably way too ridicolously small.

Though still with the new arguably oped paralyze skills in game, I wonder how often a mystic/cleric is actually going to be able to continuously sit there unimpeded and resing their allies.

Either way as I said in a previous post in this thread... I so can't really see them allowing res in the tournament.

_CurseD - Archosaur

some1 look through the old post by frankie or something about Rules of PWIC

that was a good event imo

Zanryu - Lothranis

Slivaf - Dreamweaver wrote: »

:$ lol its been a while since i been on my cleric... but yea that 1 second cooldown does make it really hard to counter/makes the window of opportunity ridiculously small.... arguably way too ridicolously small.

Though still with the new arguably oped paralyze skills in game, I wonder how often a mystic/cleric is actually going to be able to continuously sit there unimpeded and resing their allies.

Either way as I said in a previous post in this thread... I so can't really see them allowing res in the tournament.

Given that only Barbs can spam it, and only the Venomancer's is AoE, I'd say more than plenty.

Arix$on - Archosaur

sparkie if u can reply to it.

can any member of the back up 3 buff the squad since they too are paart of the squad more like subs.

Eoria - Harshlands

Arix$on - Archosaur wrote: »

sparkie if u can reply to it.

can any member of the back up 3 buff the squad since they too are paart of the squad more like subs.

No unless they're going to sub in for the squad actually fighting.

Kalopsia - Dreamweaver

Spirit of defense should be allowed of course, it's part of the game, if we're going to make rules that should and shouldn't be allowed everyone can come up with something that will benefit them. It's like saying sins aren't allowed to use tidal, clerics cant use sog, no one can use IG's.

Defense apo are an important part of pvp, since now half the classes can purge with decent consistency. (not talking about genie).

The defense apo, as suggested should be allowed to be used once the fight starts, prior to that squad buffs only.

Not sure why this is even an issue, it's part of the game, you can't deny it.

Metalogue - Archosaur

Kalopsia - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The defense apo, as suggested should be allowed to be used once the fight starts, prior to that squad buffs only.

This makes sense to me, you are using your apoth cooldown for buffs rather than an immunity pot. I was more curious about using it prior to the fight, which yeah, should not be allowed.

Flash_man - Lost City

Kalopsia - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Spirit of defense should be allowed of course, it's part of the game, if we're going to make rules that should and shouldn't be allowed everyone can come up with something that will benefit them. It's like saying sins aren't allowed to use tidal, clerics cant use sog, no one can use IG's.

Defense apo are an important part of pvp, since now half the classes can purge with decent consistency. (not talking about genie).

The defense apo, as suggested should be allowed to be used once the fight starts, prior to that squad buffs only.

Not sure why this is even an issue, it's part of the game, you can't deny it.

Not being able to use spirit of defense is no where in the area of sins not being allowed to use tidal and clerics not being able to use sog. Those are skills that comes with the character (after learning). Spirit of defense is just a op pot that gives you hp buff, bm buff, and ep buffs in 1 click. Know how op that is for sins or any other op class that can tank for days with buffs without the help of using ig/sutra/dew/ect...? It's ridiculous and can really change the odds of the fight, even if the other team have someone that's able to purge. Not to mention how easy it is to dodge being purged. So as you can see, it would be a BIG issue in a fight and disabling spirit of defense pots would just make the fights more balanced (not saying they will or won't be) since you can only use the buffs from the people in your squad.

Vedovis - Lost City

Flash_man - Lost City wrote: »

Not being able to use spirit of defense is no where in the area of sins not being allowed to use tidal and clerics not being able to use sog. Those are skills that comes with the character (after learning). Spirit of defense is just a op pot that gives you hp buff, bm buff, and ep buffs in 1 click. Know how op that is for sins or any other op class that can tank for days with buffs without the help of using ig/sutra/dew/ect...? It's ridiculous and can really change the odds of the fight, even if the other team have someone that's able to purge. Not to mention how easy it is to dodge being purged. So as you can see, it would be a BIG issue in a fight and disabling spirit of defense pots would just make the fights more balanced (not saying they will or won't be) since you can only use the buffs from the people in your squad.

Agreed. I wouldn't mind other pots being allowed - dew/Ig/etc, but buff pots seem too unfair in a pk tournament such as this :S

Madebyvisa - Raging Tide

sparkiesoft wrote: »

Sign-ups are going to be extended until Friday to give RT a chance to get one more team, otherwise we can't have a tournament on that server.

carebear server b:cry

Azura - Lost City

Kalopsia - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Spirit of defense should be allowed of course, it's part of the game, if we're going to make rules that should and shouldn't be allowed everyone can come up with something that will benefit them. It's like saying sins aren't allowed to use tidal, clerics cant use sog, no one can use IG's.

Defense apo are an important part of pvp, since now half the classes can purge with decent consistency. (not talking about genie).

The defense apo, as suggested should be allowed to be used once the fight starts, prior to that squad buffs only.

Not sure why this is even an issue, it's part of the game, you can't deny it.

In my opinion spirit of defense shouldn't be allowed.

The reason is because those pots are going to allow and benefit pure dd squads. We could have teams such as 2 sins, 1 archer, 1 psy and 1 wizard, and they would be fully buffed.

Since the beginning it was said that only buffs from party would be allowed, and if those pots are allowed it would be like if someone received buffs from outside.

Not allowing spirit of defense would also help to counter the class imbalance we have. For example assassins are really hard to debuff, and with buffs they are both very tanky and deadly. Most agree that the game doesn't look so bad when all classes come into play, and those pots only allow the OP classes to bypass that check.

Yes, those pots are part of the game, unfortunately, but they only make class and gear imbalance even worse, and therefore its use should be forbidden.

Jarkhen - Archosaur

It's like everyone is ignoring that these pots cost you your apoth cooldown. If you come in with two sins + archer/psy/wiz and they all hit SoD at the start? Yeah, no, they'll get wasted because now they have no apoth.

Azura - Lost City

Jarkhen - Archosaur wrote: »

It's like everyone is ignoring that these pots cost you your apoth cooldown. If you come in with two sins + archer/psy/wiz and they all hit SoD at the start? Yeah, no, they'll get wasted because now they have no apoth.

So, you don't have any problems with a full dd squad that is fully buffed?

Jarkhen - Archosaur

Azura - Lost City wrote: »

So, you don't have any problems with a full dd squad that is fully buffed?

Speaking as someone who has a cleric and a bm in their main squad... no, I really don't, because it would cost their apoth cd for them to get them.

Zanryu - Lothranis

Azura - Lost City wrote: »

So, you don't have any problems with a full dd squad that is fully buffed?

Jarkhen - Archosaur wrote: »

Speaking as someone who has a cleric and a bm in their main squad... no, I really don't, because it would cost their apoth cd for them to get them.

Pewpew the silly fishies right after they buff, force their genie, drop them the moment it's gone. Can't stealth because we have multiple 105 Historics. Rest of their squad has buffs but apo will still be on cd while the fight turned into a 4v5 because they had to use their apo cooldown on buffs rather than something defensive.

Good stuff.

Metalogue - Archosaur

Azura - Lost City wrote: »

So, you don't have any problems with a full dd squad that is fully buffed?

Look, I'm not speaking, forming opinions, or making suggestions based on what my squad will benefit most from, I'm truly trying to be as unbiased as possible.

It was also changed to a 5v5 with no restrictions, I'd hate to see restrictions start being added now.

Though I do have three comments to make:



1) I would like to see squads ported in without buffs, as in, not being able to get base buffs, bramble, all that, and fighting with that.

2) When being ported in, perhaps allow 30 seconds for full chi, but not allow squads to use spirit of defense AND have their apoth cooldown off by the time the fight starts. (or just port in removing buffs, keeping chi, giving full chi, something to this effect. I'm not sure what is possible and what is not)

3) As for the tie-breaker after a 15 minute bout of 5v5.... a 1v1 can go on MUCH longer than a 5v5 ever could. My suggestion? Either removing the time limit, extending it further, or spawning something similar to fires in nirvana, red balls in Cube room 57 (or was it 58?) or something like that. A tie-breaker is supposed to be sudden-death and fast, a 1v1 won't be.

shooop

Server - Raging Tide

Team - *Ctrl+D*

Main:
LindaLV (Cleric)
Lotus_ (Venomancer)
Beesh (Assassin)
ChaunceyVess (Mystic)
Revenge (Blademaster)

Back-up:
Fapper (Seeker)
poppercorn (Blademaster)
RelXenVasBal (Assassin)

Zsw - Dreamweaver

Pretty sure I can survive for 2 minute without apoth perfectly fine, if I had full buffs.