Limit Auto Cultivation to 1 hour just like Hyper stones

Evryn - Morai

I don't think you understood me correctly. Non autoculti bots are usually better at botting then the autoculti:
- They automatically return to town and sell stuff, and repair
- They automatically use potions (without a potion stone)
- They avoid mobs that have been damaged by other players
- Some of them mine resources (usually you'll see those in Lothranis or Momaganon)
- They automatically revive if dead

Basically, they're a fire-and-forget kind of bot that you, once a week, at maintenance, send the coins to your main from and for the rest just let them run. Trust me on this one, those are FAR worse to the economy then autocultivation since they just don't quit their botting routine, ever. And despite my best efforts to report this behaviour to the Morai GMs, characters that have been doing this since before autocultivation was introduced, are still around. (It's a shame I can't name names, got quite a list by now)

bloodedone87

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

I don't think you understood me correctly. Non autoculti bots are usually better at botting then the autoculti:
- They automatically return to town and sell stuff, and repair
- They automatically use potions (without a potion stone)
- They avoid mobs that have been damaged by other players
- Some of them mine resources (usually you'll see those in Lothranis or Momaganon)
- They automatically revive if dead

Basically, they're a fire-and-forget kind of bot that you, once a week, at maintenance, send the coins to your main from and for the rest just let them run. Trust me on this one, those are FAR worse to the economy then autocultivation since they just don't quit their botting routine, ever. And despite my best efforts to report this behaviour to the Morai GMs, characters that have been doing this since before autocultivation was introduced, are still around. (It's a shame I can't name names, got quite a list by now)

No they are not FAR worse for the economy. There are only few ppl that used non auto culti casue is ****** booooooooring. And if they remove auto culti and ppl will have to return to grinding only a few will do that.Only few of them have the patience to grind for like 5-10hours non stop.
I repeat no one can use 10 chars same time to grind but they can use 10 chars to auto cultivate.And that what ruins the economy. Cause using one char to grind you can make lets say like 10 mil per day. using 10 chars to auto cultivate you make 100mil per day. When you make only 10mil per day you kinda dont want to spend 4mil on gold. When you make 100mil per day you dont care if the gold is 4mil or even 10mil.Thats what ruins the economy. Before auto cultivation was brought we didnt have this big problem with the economy when few ppl were grinding.The problem started whit ppl abusing auto bott system.
And the players that you report are still around cause they are not doing something wrong when it comes to normal grind.
I personally grind mobs while i farm herbs in hell. And after 2 hours it gets so BOOOORING that i need a break from it.

Evryn - Morai

No. Before autoculti those "few players" you mentioned had a huge advantage over everyone else because they could autogrind huge amounts of coins... other players simply had to suck it up and grind manually. Like you said, that gets dull. Are you proposing we go back to that situation, where the select few have the ability to keep auto-grinding and the masses are left out? If Autocultivation is cut, then ALL botting should be harshly cracked down on - including a ban of the accounts that profit from botting.

I'm half beginning to wonder if you're one of the "few" who is using that nonautocul bot type, and are now pouting 'cause your returns are much lower...

bloodedone87

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

No. Before autoculti those "few players" you mentioned had a huge advantage over everyone else because they could autogrind huge amounts of coins... other players simply had to suck it up and grind manually. Like you said, that gets dull. Are you proposing we go back to that situation, where the select few have the ability to keep auto-grinding and the masses are left out? If Autocultivation is cut, then ALL botting should be harshly cracked down on - including a ban of the accounts that profit from botting.

I'm half beginning to wonder if you're one of the "few" who is using that nonautocul bot type, and are now pouting 'cause your returns are much lower...

The auto cultivation system that we have now its auto grind. Before this system there was no auto grind. This is like hating and saying cash shop players should be banned from games cause they can buy in 1 day the gear that you need 2-3 years to farm.Same goes for the ones that farm TT like 20 times per day while other player cant do that.Some ppl can make money easier than others. Deal with that.
My char on RT is TiaHaribel. Anyone that I've been in squad with and seen my gear know very well that im far from being one of the rich person on server. So I'm not one of those few that used what you said.

jwillson123

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

I don't think you understood me correctly. Non autoculti bots are usually better at botting then the autoculti:
- They automatically return to town and sell stuff, and repair
- They automatically use potions (without a potion stone)
- They avoid mobs that have been damaged by other players
- Some of them mine resources (usually you'll see those in Lothranis or Momaganon)
- They automatically revive if dead

Basically, they're a fire-and-forget kind of bot that you, once a week, at maintenance, send the coins to your main from and for the rest just let them run. Trust me on this one, those are FAR worse to the economy then autocultivation since they just don't quit their botting routine, ever. And despite my best efforts to report this behaviour to the Morai GMs, characters that have been doing this since before autocultivation was introduced, are still around. (It's a shame I can't name names, got quite a list by now)

They existed for years but they never damaged the economy as heavily as is it now.
Now they can bot without a care since botting now is "legal" is way harder to report them than ever before.
Also I rarely saw bots before but now every corner of the maps you see a bot... Even in desolated places.
Now half the server have atleast 1 bot doing auto culti. That hurts more if you combine them all together would be like a 1000+ bots daily putting coins into the economy instead of just 5 or 10 of the illegal bots that were before.

LuckingFoco - Raging Tide

jwillson123 wrote: »

They existed for years but they never damaged the economy as heavily as is it now.
Now they can bot without a care since botting now is "legal" is way harder to report them than ever before.
Also I rarely saw bots before but now every corner of the maps you see a bot... Even in desolated places.
Now half the server have atleast 1 bot doing auto culti. That hurts more if you combine them all together would be like a 1000+ bots daily putting coins into the economy instead of just 5 or 10 of the illegal bots that were before.

Maybe not on your server, but before auto culti, the bots he mentioned were quite numerous and still are. I would guess 40% or more of the bots use the 3rd party programs rather than the legal one. I see them all over the place on RT and they don't stop except during maintenance. To say they haven't hurt the economy for f2p players, you would have be wearing blinders. In some areas, for every one legal auto culti bot, there are five or more illegal ones. And in other areas its the opposite, but the third party bots are definitely far more dangerous to the economy.

heerohex#3018

Well this is gonna take me a while to read so ill get back to you on this and call it in the next few days. Did not want you to think I have forgot!

Thanks,

ArcticRain - Raging Tide

personally I hate bots, but if they keep allowing auto-culti, the least they could do is limit them to certain locations. there are some locations in morai where there's a very small map area with mobs you need to kill for your base quests. they should at least limit botters to areas where there are at least plentiful mobs so you won't have any conflict while trying to do other quests because of a lack of mobs.

tinocomi

Humm, as I see it, bots are a good thing in order to create a less distant path between a player that doesn't CS to get rank gear and the one who does. I personally don't even play much these days, I turn my bot on before going to work, and my brother maintains it for me while I'm away. It doens't make me super rich, but sure hell it's an amazing shortcut to end game gear. I think it was one of the best decisions ever made, like that players who don't CS have a chance to PvP. And let's be real, I use only one acc to bot, unlike much people that abuse the system and have 5+ characters boting.

Resuming: Bots are a good thing for ALL players, but it has to be used with modesty. If you have 10 acc's, man just use one or two, it will get you less money, but it's a common goal to get the game running smoothly and if you keep abusing the system things go wrong.

jwillson123

Is there is a way to edit the poll?
Maybe i have to create new thread with poll lol but dunno where to put it in sugestion box or general?.

The options I am thinking of is

a)Remove auto culti
b)Chance coins value to all DQ items value to 1
c)Remove DQ items from the game
d)Do not change anything
e)Limit auto culti to an hour like hyper stones

DQ items can be removed from the game an implement a new item like aquametals that are worth 0 coins and implement an in-game npc to trade them for items just like primal world-Astral Domain.

heerohex#3018

Please can everyone post any issues to this thread regarding Auto Culty.

Im working on a report / summery for the GMs/ Mods/ CM and Devs. Keeping this to one post will make this a lot easier for me to Finnish. This is may take me a few days to finnish and I will be done as soon as I can. I will post this in this thread as at this point I believe the "Ill Log This" wont cover this.

Mods can i ask that any NEW threads are close on this subject to make this easier and keep it all in one place.

Sorry and Thanks but this will help with this.

Thanks,

jwillson123

heero200 wrote: »

Please can everyone post any issues to this thread regarding Auto Culty.

Im working on a report / summery for the GMs/ Mods/ CM and Mods. Keeping this to one post will make this a lot easier for me to Finnish. This is may take me a few days to finnish and I will be done as soon as I can. I will post this in this thread as at this point I believe the "Ill Log This" wont cover this.

Mods can i ask that any NEW threads are close on this subject to make this easier and keep it all in one place.

Sorry and Thanks but this will help with this.

Thanks,

Is there any way I could help you with the report? Any data you need or more proof? or alternative methods to fix the inflation? If auto culti can't be controlled I think is better to just remove DQ that give more coins than 1 from the game or change all the value to 1.

heerohex#3018

jwillson123 wrote: »

Is there any way I could help you with the report? Any data you need or more proof? or alternative methods to fix the inflation? If auto culti can't be controlled I think is better to just remove DQ that give more coins than 1 from the game or change all the value to 1.

ILL PM you.

Thanks,

ovenusarmanio

jwillson123 wrote: »

Is there is a way to edit the poll?
Maybe i have to create new thread with poll lol but dunno where to put it in sugestion box or general?.

The options I am thinking of is

a)Remove auto culti
b)Chance coins value to all DQ items value to 1
c)Remove DQ items from the game
d)Do not change anything
e)Limit auto culti to an hour like hyper stones

DQ items can be removed from the game an implement a new item like aquametals that are worth 0 coins and implement an in-game npc to trade them for items just like primal world-Astral Domain.

If they chose to attack it by messing with DQ item value again then it should simply be reduced to 1 coin. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Anyway yes you would need to create a new thread to change a poll.

mntainr

heero200 wrote: »

Please can everyone post any issues to this thread regarding Auto Culty.

Im working on a report / summery for the GMs/ Mods/ CM and Devs. Keeping this to one post will make this a lot easier for me to Finnish. This is may take me a few days to finnish and I will be done as soon as I can. I will post this in this thread as at this point I believe the "Ill Log This" wont cover this.

Mods can i ask that any NEW threads are close on this subject to make this easier and keep it all in one place.

Sorry and Thanks but this will help with this.

Thanks,

Its good someone is doing this, as something like this have been missing in gaming forums. For an effective voice for players, its necessary for someone to shift through thread/s, collect relavant materials, and organise them presentably for the next relavant party. Without such effort, it's probably hard for them currently.

jwillson123

I added a new poll.
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=21750721#post21750721

heerohex#3018

WOW and here we go! This will take a while to read!

First im going to Sum this Thread up.

Their is proof that this system is doing damage to the economy at an increased rate. Regardless of what people say that's to the point. This is going to get hard so please keep up n sorry if I miss anything.

The problem relates to gold. A lot of people now have stopped Charging and use auto culty that means less gold in the AH. This pushes prices up and makes it harder to buy CS items. In turn Items Like Charms will Rise with the Gold price as that is what drives them. This happens so will the price of other items increase. This is not the only cause of the this problem I will however add. Along with other Problems.

+ So All the Arguments.

Lower DQ items to 1 Coin -
WOULD NOT BE LIKED. (-3)
This would hurt all Players even with out Auto culty this was one of the ways to Grind Coin.
It would stop the Coin being brought into the economy.
This would be a very Bad idea. It was hard when they removed the DQ 51- The game used to be well set out I kinda miss some of the old days. I really don't like the Sin for this reason. A class that was about Single play in an MMO?

Removing Auto Culty -
Would Neither be taken Good or Bad (+0) As some people have said they would not be bothered by this.
Would Stop the Problem that this is causing.
Their is concern that people would switch to 3rd party Bots. This was a small problem That with proof was sorted to the standard set by the T&C. I don't think this would be the case as much as people seam to think it would be a problem. Something that PWi should have is Bot Detection. Once a bot is detected its then checked by a human player. A job for our GA team May be?
This would make people leave is an argument on this but I have to say any change to any part of the game could cause someone to stop playing for any reason. This would their for be a point in all cases.
If this is the case PWI needs to make sure the correct and ways to get coin for players is good and supportive for playing the game.

Limiting Auto Culty (Time) -
Would Neither be taken Good or Bad (+0)
Would semi sort the problem out.
Auto Culty im gonna guess was meant to be used for completing Quests. This would mean its does it design. In most cases it has brought back people into areas you would not have seen people.
Their are other ways of generating coin in-game which people should look over as well.

Make Auto Culty Cash Shop Item -
People would probably not like to start but would get used to this. (-1)
Auto Culty im gonna guess was meant to be used for completing Quests. This would then be the only thing its used for.
The downside to this is it may cause the Gold price to CAP as people have to buy this item to keep going. That's a big risk. The item would have to be a reasonable price to be brought and put people off overusing this item.
And what if your bot get frozen after you paid for extra time ?
This is a F2P game are you trying to me it a P2P game. NO is the answer this would be considered a premium feature which you do not need to use to play the game.
And what if your bot get frozen after you paid for extra time ? Good question something that would need to be looked at!
As far as making it a CS only item, this would only further increase the difference between a CS player and a F2P player. I dont think this would be the case as it would make only grinding mobs for EXP worth while. Something again tho would need to be checked out.

Make Auto Culty Force PK mode -
People would probably not like to start but would get used to this. (-1)
This would not be good on PvE servers.
This would cause the problem to be player controlled.
I really don't think this is a good idea and forces the point of a PvE server. I really don't think this would be supported by the community.

Keep Auto Culty add better Coin Sinks -
Would Neither be taken Good or Bad (+0)
May not deal with the problem if not done right with the right items.
I really don't think this is the answer or this would have been done by now.
Add more items to the NW forges with a coin sink

Setup the Earning Time function for all of PWI -
Would Neither be taken Good or Bad (+0)
This would result in a possible fix as well. Currently this appears to only be set-up in Primal.
People would still bot out of earning time as they would go back into earning time.
This could also cause issues later on as people QQ over areas and possible drops.

I run 2+ Auto Culty over night -
This is a negative as well as the limit is 2 clients per person. (-2)
I don't know why you would want to advertise this. 2 Clients is the MAX.
If auto culty stays then this should be enforced more.
This will have a very good effect for the player gaining so much coin but in turn the extra coin gained would cause the problem to spiral and possibly cause problems with Server DC and Crashes. After all the limit is for a reason.
The element client reports back to the server and I think this should be checked out more it is unreasonable the problems that could be caused by people runing more clients than they need to.

I don't Charge now I just Auto Culty over Night -
This would be good to the player but for the game would have a negative effect. (-1)
This will have a long term effect on the game as we know it. Once it becomes a Cost any company would remove the service. As someone said in this thread their really needs to be a good balance. Let me put it this way the P2P players stop then the F2P players would loose out as well... The game would simply not survive. Ther will be less and less gold in the AH meaning CS items would and will become harder to get as well as causing gold prices to rise.

Introduce a new currency
The idea that's been suggested is to use something like Morai Influence.
This has not really been talked about much but could be something worth looking into.

+ Not Discussed.

Make Auto Culty Cost Coin to Run -
This is an interesting idea I had when I was putting this post together.

One last thing I want to point out is that all the server crashes could be related to this system. Having that many more people logged in at any one point would put strain onto the system that would not have been before auto culty. Hence the possible reason we have more crashes now than ever before. Sadly this happens when numbers over the weekend go up which means the GMs are out of office so the problems don't get fixed as fast. A bit of logic to that and yes it may well not be the case but im sure it has something to do with it.

The end result is pushing this game to be P2P for all players. Which lets face it would be the END game result!

PWE needs to keep it eye on WC more often to keep the gold spammers at bay.

- The Results And Conclusion.

IM going to recommend that the GMs, CM and DEVs Review this urgently.

I would also like to Suggest that Auto Culty is disabled as per the feedback.

If i have missed anything important please let me know! I will be passing this info on to Sparkie and the Mods in a few days just to make sure i don't miss anything first.

Thanks,

References
!# Main Thread With Gold Price Info
2# The GA Program Suggestion Something that could help with this issue.
3# Morai Gold Price Info
4# Gold Price info for servers.
5#Server Wc and gold info Last Year
6#

Pedro_pan - Dreamweaver

The main issues i see in world chat seem to be more about botting in daily areas would it not be more productive for game play and the economy to only allow botting in specific areas ie.. heaven and hell or even oht

reasons behind this idea - heaven and hell, i'm pretty sure nobody does dailies there any more and would have to be high level to do it so i would expect this to reduce the amount of botters.

OHT, for this to be productive to a botter they would need to work on there culties which in turn would reduce the amount of botters.

If something like this was implemented normal game play would easier and remove a lot of complaints and a plus side to this would be that anybody botting on the normal world map must be using a 3rd party client making them easier to spot and report.

I know its not a great idea but the chances of auto culty being removed are slim to non and personally i like the feature but don't like the way it's being abused.

jwillson123

heero200 wrote: »

WOW and here we go! This will take a while to read!

First im going to Sum this Thread up.

+ So All the Arguments.

Lower DQ items to 1 Coin -
WOULD NOT BE LIKED. (-3)
This would hurt all Players even with out Auto culty this was one of the ways to Grind Coin.
It would stop the Coin being brought into the economy.
This would be a very Bad idea. It was hard when they removed the DQ 51- The game used to be well set out I kinda miss some of the old days. I really don't like the Sin for this reason. A class that was about Single play in an MMO?

Removing Auto Culty -
Would Neither be taken Good or Bad (+0) As some people have said they would not be bothered by this.
Would Stop the Problem that this is causing.
Their is concern that people would switch to 3rd party Bots. This was a small problem That with proof was sorted to the standard set by the T&C. I don't think this would be the case as much as people seam to think it would be a problem. Something that PWi should have is Bot Detection. Once a bot is detected its then checked by a human player. A job for our GA team May be?
This would make people leave is an argument on this but I have to say any change to any part of the game could cause someone to stop playing for any reason. This would their for be a point in all cases.
If this is the case PWI needs to make sure the correct and ways to get coin for players is good and supportive for playing the game.

Limiting Auto Culty (Time) -
Would Neither be taken Good or Bad (+0)
Would semi sort the problem out.
Auto Culty im gonna guess was meant to be used for completing Quests. This would mean its does it design. In most cases it has brought back people into areas you would not have seen people.
Their are other ways of generating coin in-game which people should look over as well.

Make Auto Culty Cash Shop Item -
People would probably not like to start but would get used to this. (-1)
Auto Culty im gonna guess was meant to be used for completing Quests. This would then be the only thing its used for.
The downside to this is it may cause the Gold price to CAP as people have to buy this item to keep going. That's a big risk. The item would have to be a reasonable price to be brought and put people off overusing this item.
And what if your bot get frozen after you paid for extra time ?
This is a F2P game are you trying to me it a P2P game. NO is the answer this would be considered a premium feature which you do not need to use to play the game.
And what if your bot get frozen after you paid for extra time ? Good question something that would need to be looked at!
As far as making it a CS only item, this would only further increase the difference between a CS player and a F2P player. I dont think this would be the case as it would make only grinding mobs for EXP worth while. Something again tho would need to be checked out.

Make Auto Culty Force PK mode -
People would probably not like to start but would get used to this. (-1)
This would not be good on PvE servers.
This would cause the problem to be player controlled.
I really don't think this is a good idea and forces the point of a PvE server. I really don't think this would be supported by the community.

Keep Auto Culty add better Coin Sinks -
Would Neither be taken Good or Bad (+0)
May not deal with the problem if not done right with the right items.
I really don't think this is the answer or this would have been done by now.
Add more items to the NW forges with a coin sink

Setup the Earning Time function for all of PWI -
Would Neither be taken Good or Bad (+0)
This would result in a possible fix as well. Currently this appears to only be set-up in Primal.
People would still bot out of earning time as they would go back into earning time.
This could also cause issues later on as people QQ over areas and possible drops.

I run 2+ Auto Culty over night -
This is a negative as well as the limit is 2 clients per person. (-2)
I don't know why you would want to advertise this. 2 Clients is the MAX.
If auto culty stays then this should be enforced more.
This will have a very good effect for the player gaining so much coin but in turn the extra coin gained would cause the problem to spiral and possibly cause problems with Server DC and Crashes. After all the limit is for a reason.
The element client reports back to the server and I think this should be checked out more it is unreasonable the problems that could be caused by people runing more clients than they need to.

I don't Charge now I just Auto Culty over Night -
This would be good to the player but for the game would have a negative effect. (-1)
This will have a long term effect on the game as we know it. Once it becomes a Cost any company would remove the service. As someone said in this thread their really needs to be a good balance. Let me put it this way the P2P players stop then the F2P players would loose out as well... The game would simply not survive. Ther will be less and less gold in the AH meaning CS items would and will become harder to get as well as causing gold prices to rise.

Introduce a new currency
The idea that's been suggested is to use something like Morai Influence.
This has not really been talked about much but could be something worth looking into.

+ Not Discussed.

Make Auto Culty Cost Coin to Run -
This is an interesting idea I had when I was putting this post together.
The end result is pushing this game to be P2P for all players. Which lets face it would be the END game result!

PWE needs to keep it eye on WC more often to keep the gold spammers at bay.



If i have missed anything important please let me know! I will be passing this info on to Sparkie and the Mods in a few days just to make sure i don't miss anything first.

Thanks,

References
!# Main Thread With Gold Price Info
2# The GA Program Suggestion Something that could help with this issue.
3# Morai Gold Price Info
4# Gold Price info for servers.
5#Server Wc and gold info Last Year
6#

This report was really well done!


This is the main point why auto culti should be removed.

don't Charge now I just Auto Culty over Night -[/COLOR]
This would be good to the player but for the game would have a negative effect. (-1)
This will have a long term effect on the game as we know it. Once it becomes a Cost any company would remove the service. As someone said in this thread their really needs to be a good balance. Let me put it this way the P2P players stop then the F2P players would loose out as well... The game would simply not survive. Ther will be less and less gold in the AH meaning CS items would and will become harder to get as well as causing gold prices to rise.

PWI staff that the main reason why people not buying as much zen anymore.
You either play hard on this game or pay hard there is no room in this game for getting stuff without actually putting some effort or cashing into the game.
The pie is not big enough for us crashers and heavy working farmers to share with bots.

jwillson123

This earning system is great.
It will not fully stop botting abuse but it will help to reduce 50% of botting earnings.

Jesya - Lost City

None of those options.
Should have been kept as is.

jwillson123

Jesya - Lost City wrote: »

None of those options.
Should have been kept as is.

you should read thread I posted a another poll in same thread.

XX_Raider_Xx - Sanctuary

Sadly it just seems like the players "with cash" have their stuff and no longer want to put cash in game. Conversely, It seems like the drive to be bigger and better has caused a power vacuum and forced even the "F2P people away from the "fun of the game" to the "i have a bigger **** than you"

It just seems like there is a element here that wants PW to die.

I feel that there really is a unseen, or hidden agenda here by a few or even a larger group that has a "i am wanting this game to die and then I can be the most powerful here all by my lonesome" !!! b:victory

What will you do if PWI suddenly says "we are canceling the game" - you will go to a new game.

But seriously, do you greedy people that are withholding gold and selling for 6+ mil want to be the cause of the destruction of a once fun and beloved game? b:angry

Do you "bot fans" really need to make billions of coins and by so doing inflate all the prices sky high and to where you will be to blame too for the destruction of this game that many of us have played for 3, 4, 5+ years ? b:angry

Its time to wake up and stop being so damn greedy and if PWI does in fact make changes that will cut your "free money" or set up some system to re-balence the economy and you people leave - you will not be missed!!! not by anyone - f2p should be "fun 2 play" as well as "free 2 play"

The US federal government (however flawed it is) keeps the economy and such things relatively stable and balanced and there needs to be a balance in this game.

A Perfect World it is not, but damn it there are many of us that want the game to keep going instead of crashing and burning from greed and selfishness!!!

I just feel it - the end is coming soon............ b:cry

LuckingFoco - Raging Tide

XX_Raider_Xx - Sanctuary wrote: »

But seriously, do you greedy people that are withholding gold and selling for 6+ mil want to be the cause of the destruction of a once fun and beloved game? b:angry

Then do something about it. Buy some Zen. Why should I sell my gold for a cheap price when I can get more for it? I bought it with real money, so I might as well maximize my return.

tinocomi

As a veteran player who plays PWI since it came out, I've seen so much and respected so less.
PWI team did a bunch of good things, for example:
- Reduced the quest grind. A little few of us know how hard it was to do the "kill 30" -> "deliver" -> "kill 50" -> repeat, all over and over again. And the quests weren't enough to level, so we had to use resources as Oracles and Scrolls. We actually helped people do dungeons - 29, 39 and so on till 89 - because that was an awesome extra exp boost (from the tabs).
- Mounts and flyers became acessible to early levels. This improves the early game experience, giving the player something to try.
- It's easy to aquire weapons through leveling, by doing dungeons and killing some bosses (eg: dg 51, 59 and so on).

The list of good things continue, but there aren't that much left to say. About the bad things:
- A game with power level sucks. FC should be available to levels above 80 and Dungeons should have solo and squad modes. Squad mode would only be available for players with 20 more levels than the dungeon (eg: DG 51 should only have a squad option for levels under 71). Players above that level could only enter in Solo mode. This would stop power level and would force players to play together, like in the old times! Players would become much more skilled and grow a lot by experiencing their characters at low level play.
- The Pay-To-Win system. A game that sells power like candies is not a good game. PWI sucks because, let's imagine: my lil' brother who has 12 years old, who never played an MMO before and which primary language isn't English decides to download the game. Soon he will find it interesting and he might as well spend tons of money on the game, while asking for some faction to power level him and to help him through the leveling and gearing systems. In less than one year he might be R9rr, with no experience and with full geared character ready to troll veterans like me, who didn't bother to spend money on a glitchy game that doesn't have good graphics and has a lot of rubberband (these are some of my reasons btw). My 12 year old brother surpaces my 5+ year character in 5 months or less, 1shoting me whenever he sees me, just because...
- Community sucks on 3/4 of the servers. People start focusing on chat dramas and who's the best PK'er or whatever. This comunnity is very strict to players who don't give a fu ck and it shouldn't be like that.

These are just some examples. But why did I bother to type all of this? Because it will help explaining my opinion for the topic, which is: Bots were a good thing for me! I play on Harshlands, and that server didn't suffer as much inflaction as some PvE servers. While I was able to buy stuff for a relatively cheap price I also managed to get a lot of money just by using 2 bots. This is the money I will use to gear my character without the stupid need to buy things with real money or having to farm like a ******. I don't even play PWI anymore, I just leave the bots farming and that's all, they win experience and money for me while I play better things, study and work. Now they added that earning time thing, and my dreams of acquire R9rr are slowly dissipating. I might as well leave the game in a while if they don't add what I've been asking for a long time (on previous posts of mine). PWI is old and its graphics, sounds, interactions and combat sucks when compared to other games, but this was the first game I dedicated some time into and I would hate to leave it like this, so I want to see what's coming for the next version and new engine, then I decide.

bloodedone87

I just ''love'' how some ppl try to tell the others how should they play the game or what should they do while they are in the game.If some ppl want to focus on chat drama or who is the best pk ever is their problem, not yours.Each person is free to play the game as he likes. If a player wants to log in the game and just talk in world chat all day long is his problem.
I know yu are talking about your post were you invented new classes that yu want in PW. Not gonna happen.If you want your chars in a video game, make your own MMORPG.
I know that game has some problems but I like it for what it is.

tinocomi

bloodedone87 wrote: »

I just ''love'' how some ppl try to tell the others how should they play the game or what should they do while they are in the game.If some ppl want to focus on chat drama or who is the best pk ever is their problem, not yours.Each person is free to play the game as he likes. If a player wants to log in the game and just talk in world chat all day long is his problem.
I know yu are talking about your post were you invented new classes that yu want in PW. Not gonna happen.If you want your chars in a video game, make your own MMORPG.
I know that game has some problems but I like it for what it is.

Seriously, you again? Dude, if it was for the class thing i would be long gone and don't even bothered with this issue, because it wont happen. And IF they decide to bring new classes, I doubt they will follow my "visionarism"... I made a bunch of previous POSTS (note it's plural), asking for stuff that is really easy to implement and that would bring more easiness and flow to the game. About the community thing, you said, quoting

bloodedone87 wrote: »

Each person is free to play the game as he likes. If a player wants to log in the game and just talk in world chat all day long is his problem.

I live in a free country with free people and freedom of speech, but that doesn't mean I can take a freakin Megaphone and start chatting with my friend wich is 200m, 400m away or whatever. For that purpose I use a private path to speak to him, which is a cellphone/smartphone. The same applies to PWI, if people want fame or reputation, build it through play style and interactions, not by behaving like a Big Brother cast... Got it?

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

surprisingly i actually would not mind the limit, the gold in AH is a bit far fetched now =/

jwillson123

XX_Raider_Xx - Sanctuary wrote: »

Sadly it just seems like the players "with cash" have their stuff and no longer want to put cash in game. Conversely, It seems like the drive to be bigger and better has caused a power vacuum and forced even the "F2P people away from the "fun of the game" to the "i have a bigger **** than you"

It just seems like there is a element here that wants PW to die.

I feel that there really is a unseen, or hidden agenda here by a few or even a larger group that has a "i am wanting this game to die and then I can be the most powerful here all by my lonesome" !!! b:victory

What will you do if PWI suddenly says "we are canceling the game" - you will go to a new game.

But seriously, do you greedy people that are withholding gold and selling for 6+ mil want to be the cause of the destruction of a once fun and beloved game? b:angry

Do you "bot fans" really need to make billions of coins and by so doing inflate all the prices sky high and to where you will be to blame too for the destruction of this game that many of us have played for 3, 4, 5+ years ? b:angry

Its time to wake up and stop being so damn greedy and if PWI does in fact make changes that will cut your "free money" or set up some system to re-balence the economy and you people leave - you will not be missed!!! not by anyone - f2p should be "fun 2 play" as well as "free 2 play"

The US federal government (however flawed it is) keeps the economy and such things relatively stable and balanced and there needs to be a balance in this game.

A Perfect World it is not, but damn it there are many of us that want the game to keep going instead of crashing and burning from greed and selfishness!!!

I just feel it - the end is coming soon............ b:cry

I feel your pain too.
The reason I created this thread.

I quitted PWI in 2012 before NW started.
I came back to the game in february 2014

When I started I notice a lot of people with R9r3 and find it strange since in 2012 only the super rich had that kind of gear.
I had Barrier Thorn nirvana on my sin.
I feel so weak and people would even look down on me.
Trying to advice me like I was some noob that just started playing the game because I still was using barrier thorn nirvana.

So I decided to get G16 daggers.
I started doing WS but noticed the Greediness of people...
They saw I was using barrier thorn nirvana and they had the nerve to claim the dagger mold even if they did not need it.
These people were R9r3 +12 they did not need it at all.
Then I joined a faction and the guild leader invite members to WS.

The guild leader is full R9r and guess what the guild leader claimed the dagger mold even if the guild leader knew I needed it!
Then I saw the guild leader shop and I saw a G16 daggers there that was not there before...
So I leave the faction and had argument with guild leader because I told the leader I left because of such much greed from guild leader.

In the end I buy the mold in WC because I got tired of trying to get dagger mold and people claiming it when I needed it!!!

Then I roll the dagger and got magic on daggers lol with interval.
Also I never liked G16 dagger design looks ugly to me.
Also Noticed that even G16 daggers were so weak in NW.

So my next goal was getting R9r3

I was at a disadvantage I was not able to generate lots of coins that the people did when NW was new and that how they brought their R9. Also Nirvana was gone too.

gold was at 2.6m when I started.

So I calculate how much it would cost me to buy R9.
So I started merchanting and testing various ways to be able to generate coins.

I ended saving 200 million with my effort and I though wow I am getting close to get my R9!
Then I was waiting for gold to drop a little.
But then all of the sudden gold was at 2.8m.
Then it went to 3m a week latter...


Lets imagine I needed before 2 billion coins to get full set.
Now the cost of full set is 2.2 billion
so the coins I have saved were the same amount of less of price increase.
It felt like I had not saved coins at all....


then i saved more coins lets say now I had 400m
But now full set cost 2.6 billion.
Again It felt like I had not saved coins at all...

In the end the gold reached the cap I was able to buy the R9r3 weapon alone.
If it were not for the damn bots I would had full R9 instead of just weapon! and would not have overpaid!

I also Had to work harder than ever before to be able to keep up with the price increase!
Or else I would end up like I had not made progress at all!

anonymousloner

XX_Raider_Xx - Sanctuary wrote: »

Sadly it just seems like the players "with cash" have their stuff and no longer want to put cash in game. Conversely, It seems like the drive to be bigger and better has caused a power vacuum and forced even the "F2P people away from the "fun of the game" to the "i have a bigger **** than you"

It just seems like there is a element here that wants PW to die.

I feel that there really is a unseen, or hidden agenda here by a few or even a larger group that has a "i am wanting this game to die and then I can be the most powerful here all by my lonesome" !!! b:victory

What will you do if PWI suddenly says "we are canceling the game" - you will go to a new game.

But seriously, do you greedy people that are withholding gold and selling for 6+ mil want to be the cause of the destruction of a once fun and beloved game? b:angry

Do you "bot fans" really need to make billions of coins and by so doing inflate all the prices sky high and to where you will be to blame too for the destruction of this game that many of us have played for 3, 4, 5+ years ? b:angry

Its time to wake up and stop being so damn greedy and if PWI does in fact make changes that will cut your "free money" or set up some system to re-balence the economy and you people leave - you will not be missed!!! not by anyone - f2p should be "fun 2 play" as well as "free 2 play"

The US federal government (however flawed it is) keeps the economy and such things relatively stable and balanced and there needs to be a balance in this game.

A Perfect World it is not, but damn it there are many of us that want the game to keep going instead of crashing and burning from greed and selfishness!!!

I just feel it - the end is coming soon............ b:cry

1. What "fun" is it when the only source of worthwhile income (BHs) keeps giving you chips and mirages? I literally have no other reason to log on and play other than dailies, which as we all know, do not reward coins anyway. Even at R8, which I bought with real cash anyway, I cannot solo the TT bosses that actually drop something worth running up my electric bill, sitting in a catshop all day that's not guaranteed to sell anyway. And selling FC is out of the question because R8 without refines isn't enough to solo, even before Hyper nerf. Should I spend a billion on R9 + refines just to farm the way everyone else wants us to farm, hmm? That's the reason I quit last time. And without auto-culti, I would've quit yet again after RBing the first time.

2. How is giving EVERYONE the option to auto-farm pushing some "hidden agenda" to limit power to a select few? Using your stupid logic, giving EVERYONE an opportunity is wrong.

3. If you're so scared of the game being canceled, why did you think PWE put in the bulti-in bot feature in the first place, hmm? Because if it was just for "questing" or killing 10-20 mobs like people claim it to be, then that would imply the tediousness of the grind you love so much, doesn't it? The same tediousness you "love" that is most likely killing the game, which prompted them to put this in? Don't believe me? Notice how they shortened the kill count of quests from 60+ to 10 as well? Did I blow your mind?

4. I'm not withholding gold. That kind of long-term plan is for people who plan to make money several months to a year from now. And the only ones who would do that are the cash-shoppers, who are waiting for a desired exchange result when they cash-in the gold they bought. Funny how you try to misdirect the blame to the botters when you're actually blaming your fellow cash-shoppers instead.

5. Your "logic" so far is that giving EVERYONE equal opportunity is somehow wrong and you use the excuse of inflation because it is your only argument to promote taking away that opportunity to keep for yourselves.

6. So cutting people's primary source of income is "not" greedy? Keep it up.

7. Oh really? The US government does that, how? By taxing us to death and arming foreign terrorists and drug cartels with assault weapons bought using that money? Using your logic, should we keep things "stable" by taxing away 40% of the ZEN you charge so you get 60% of the gold you bought and then outsourcing your money to pay other competing game companies to beat us out? Hmm? Shows how little you know about politics other than what the government-controlled media spoonfeeds you.

8. The "greed and selfishness" you keep crying about is just wanting something worthwhile for the time and effort spent. Because that's the issue and that's why they REALLY had to put in auto-culti in the first place as explained by #3.

And before people start accusing me of not cash-shopping ENOUGH (because that seems to be the underlying mentality here that no one has the balls to come out and say), I CHOSE (yes, choice is a great thing, isn't it?) to still charge ZEN occasionally because I WANT to (to support PWE for the new and worthwhile content), NOT because I have to just to keep up. See the difference?

TL;DR: You people want to know how "bad" botting is? Try and run a bot with ANY character WITHOUT cash-shopping his/her gear first and WITHOUT cash-shopping or even spending millions on an auto-pot stone, no charm either, aka start from scratch. Factor in repair bills and pot costs (assuming you can grind enough coins to afford the auto-pot stone on a regular basis) and watch how little you can make without dying left and right. Go ahead, try it. Your own figures are nothing more than extreme exaggeration that conveniently leaves out the fact that you HAVE to get DECENT gear + refines FIRST (read: cash-shopped or spend months/years getting) to be able to farm to such a level that you people claim to be "ruining" the game.

Yes, there IS greed and selfishness in this thread and it's people like you who are full of it, trying to hog all the power to yourselves.