Limit Auto Cultivation to 1 hour just like Hyper stones
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Why this problem is not happening in PVP servers? why items way cheaper there and the bids is over a million coins less?
Its obvious that the problem is auto cultivation if it not them explain me why items and gold are cheaper in pvp servers I want to know why.Do you want PWI to fix the economy before is to late?
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jwillson123 wrote: »Why this problem is not happening in PVP servers? why items way cheaper there and the bids is over a million coins less?
Its obvious that the problem is auto cultivation if it not them explain me why items and gold are cheaper in pvp servers I want to know why.
This is a very good point. For years, the PVP servers were more expensive. Even this time last year, the prices were more expensive on PVP servers than on PvE ones. In fact Last year I did go and look at the buy and sell price of gold around this time for every server.
Lost City
Gold Price= sell 1.988 buy 1.9
Time between WC=9 seconds
Archosuar
Gold Price sell 1.049 buy 1.012
Time between WC=6 seconds
Sanct
Gold Pirce sell 1.4mil buy 1.3mil
time between wc=3
HT
Gold price sell 1.4 buy 1.35
time between wc=4
Raging Tide
Gold price sell 1.585 buy 1.48
time betwen wc=4
Dreamweaver
Gold price sell 1.448 buy 1.36
time between wc=5
Harshlands
Gold price sell 1.75 buy 1.7
time between wc 7
These are the prices last year. Source: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=19351661&postcount=10
And then today:Heaven's Tear 2.895 mil sell 2.890 mil buy
Archosaur 2.785 mil sell 2.740 buy
Sanctuary 3.90 mil sell 3.8 mil buy
Lost City 2.290 sell 2.232 mil buy
Dreamweaver 3.390 mil buy 3.360 sell
Raging Tide 3.70 mil sell 3.531 buy
Harshlands 2.635 mil sell 2.520 buy
Harshlands and Lost City went from being the most expensive servers, to the cheapest. That's about what you expect in servers with built in bot control measurements, namely PK. Less bots, less coin being dumped in. There is a lot of evidence that botting is causing problems. And in general, you don't want a ton of money being dumped into the economy out of thin air, for many of the same reasons you don't want to just print money. Coin's value isn't solely based on gold, there is also the issue of it's scarcity. When coin is scarcer, it's more valuable. When everyone and their mom are walking around with 100 mil+, obviously 100 mil doesn't get you as much anymore.
Nation wars didn't have as much impact because it's actually a coin sink. The coin received from merchanting the items from nation wars may increase for the merchant player, but it's actually just an exchange of coin from one person to another. No new coin was actually generated.0 -
Vinat - Sanctuary wrote: »I spend approx 2 hours per day doing an activity in game that yields me approximately 16 mil profit with a 4 mil investment on average. I then need extra, unspecified time to sell the items I get from said activity in a cat shop. This cat shop also functions as a merchanting hub. I buy gold, buy cash shop items, and sell for a small profit which adds up over time and with volume. After 6 months of merchanting and farming, I was able to buy a scroll of tome for 1 billion coin.
By contrast, I have a friend who easily bots about 100 mil (possibly more) per day on non-2x. In 10 days, that is 1 billion coin, enough to buy a scroll of tome on my server. This same person had once said to me, after spending a bunch on some fashion, "what is XXmil when I bot 100m per day?"
And that's the issue currently with gold prices. 2.5, 3m is nothing to folks who can bot the coin. It's essentially free money, and much easier to spend. With high demand for gold, pack items, high end gems, etc, the prices will go as high as someone is willing and able to pay.
So while yes, the botters with the excess of coins are to blame, they are not driving prices up deliberately to **** with the rest of us -- it's just the inevitable result.
Now I image if there are minimum!
10 players doing that per server that = 1 billion coins inserted into the economy per day
Its no wonder the player friend is from Santuary! a PVE server!
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=21422241&postcount=119
I know many players that have over 10+ level+ 100 characters. Also you should know how disgusting greedy players are in pwi.
I know people that cash 1000$ usd a month and they still do merchanting,NW and auto cultivation when they have no need to.
They want more and more and they will do anything to get that.
I know people that cash shop their gear and they do auto culti every right. Now they rarely cash to get coins.
Why buy gold when you can get it for free with your OP cashed +12 archer while you sleep?
Auto culti is not only affecting f2p it is also affecting pwi income because people who had to cash to get coins now can get coins for free without doing anything.Do you want PWI to fix the economy before is to late?
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jwillson123 wrote: »Now I image if there are minimum!
10 players doing that per server that = 1 billion coins inserted into the economy per day
Its no wonder the player friend is from Santuary! a PVE server!
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=21422241&postcount=119
I know many players that have over 10+ level+ 100 characters. Also you should know how disgusting greedy players are in pwi.
I know people that cash 1000$ usd a month and they still do merchanting,NW and auto cultivation when they have no need to.
They want more and more and they will do anything to get that.
I know people that cash shop their gear and they do auto culti every right. Now they rarely cash to get coins.
Why buy gold when you can get it for free with your OP cashed +12 archer while you sleep?
Auto culti is not only affecting f2p it is also affecting pwi income because people who had to cash to get coins now can get coins for free without doing anything.
Give it up. Its not working wat are you trying.Auto cultivation is here to help ppl. Instead of focusing to exterminate the auto culti you should join them.
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bloodedone87 wrote: »Give it up. Its not working wat are you trying.Auto cultivation is here to help ppl. Instead of focusing to exterminate the auto culti you should join them.
Give up what does that means?
Can you explain to me how this Help players?
http://i.imgur.com/Q5G0S0j.png
Why do not you go to lost city & Harshlands then go to Morai,Santuary and Dreamweaver server and compare prices of GST and MoG
You gonna see how much!!!! Auto Culti helps on PVE servers! Do you want PWI to fix the economy before is to late?
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jwillson123 wrote: »Give up what does that means?
Can you explain to me how this Help players?
http://i.imgur.com/Q5G0S0j.png
Why do not you go to lost city & Harshlands then go to Morai,Santuary and Dreamweaver server and compare prices of GST and MoG You gonna see how much!!!! Auto Culti helps on PVE servers!
>That pic
Truly, these are the end of days. Some players like the one above the quoted post simply can't see beyond the fact that auto-cultivation lines their own pockets with coin....even if its value keeps dropping.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Remember: OP may be a duck|OP/GMs/Devs may not deliver|Search function is your friend|Lurk more|Be wary of Mods: they can't be trusted|This place isn't a hugbox|Your tears sustain me|Know what Bait is|"Soon" may never come|Postcount, Dubs, and other GETs are important|Don't revive long dead threads|There is a section for everything|You can be banned for anything|No Fun Allowed outside of OT|Sweetiebot rules OT|"Circlejerks" are inevitable|Threads can be derailed and saved|Those who use"XD" should off themselves at their earliest convenience|0 -
Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »>That pic
Truly, these are the end of days. Some players like the one above the quoted post simply can't see beyond the fact that auto-cultivation lines their own pockets with coin....even if its value keeps dropping.
How many times i heard that these are the end of days? 10thouand times? milions times? i dont even know. And the game is still alive and it will be for a long time.
The gold price has increase cause some stupid players think that all ppl that are botting can make 100mil per day. In fact there is just 10% Of ppl botting o n each server that can make that amount of money.The rest are barely making between 6 -10mil per day.0 -
jwillson123 wrote: »Give up what does that means?
Can you explain to me how this Help players?
http://i.imgur.com/Q5G0S0j.png
Why do not you go to lost city & Harshlands then go to Morai,Santuary and Dreamweaver server and compare prices of GST and MoG You gonna see how much!!!! Auto Culti helps on PVE servers!
Gold prices and coin value have little effect on cash shoppers. GSTs and MoGs sold in catshops aren't even a bother to cash shoppers since they buy the MoGs and chip packs when they are on sale with real money so they can r9 their toon. Same with +10 orbs. In game inflation means very little. Most cash shoppers bot to get a few coins for skills for alts, or they might sell some gold, but very little of it. Cash shoppers don't care about the cause and effect of coin inflation. They don't need to farm for coins, and don't care if tokens of luck sell for 40k each. They just buy packs from the boutique when they get low.
Most of the inflation is caused by people that play F2P. Why would a cash shopper sell gold for coin when they don't need coin? Only thing auto-culti helps is the free to play player who is dependent on in game coin and when cash shoppers, which are a dying breed aren't selling gold, there is less and less gold for the free to play player to buy. It then becomes supply and demand.
Whenever there is an important item on sale like chip packs, rep, MoGs, +10 orbs, gold value always goes up. There are less and less cash shoppers willing to part with their gold because they tend to have the majority of their needs fulfilled already and this leaves free to play players in the lurch that need the above items, but have no ability to spend real money for them. They bot to make coin. They saturate the game with it and cash shoppers don't care. Free to play merchants that buy up important items like those above tend to inflate the prices. Again, cash shoppers don't care.Malice Leader - Raging Tides
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jwillson123 wrote: »It would be great if auto cultivation would be limited to 1 hour just like hyper stones
and if people want to auto culti for a longer time they would need to buy a cash shop item.
if they want to bot for 23 hours the cost would be 25 silver per hour.
Or make a system similar to hypers.
Auto cultivation is great to do quests.
But people are abusing it to make coins with multiple alts.
Making in game currency worthless.
This affect cash shoppers because they are getting more coins but with the inflation caused by abuse of auto culti they are getting less buying power since items are now double the price that they were before.
Cash shoppers likes to buy from boutique but there are items like Jade of steady defense, fashion that is not available or mounts that we purchase selling gold to players.
I do buy gold to buy a rare flyers,mounts and fashion.
Other games have this feature they charge money for extra time of auto botting system and it makes them a lot of money.
I had to read this again to try to understand you? You saying you are a cash shopper. Do you buy gold with real money? If that you are a cash shopper. Or you buy gold with coins and then buy items?. Then you are person that buys gold from gold sellers.Or buys gold to resell it.
I think you re mad casue of the gold prices increased you cannot buy as much gold you were used to buy, so you can buy items then resell them to players.You are not making as many money as you were used to.0 -
bloodedone87 wrote: »How many times i heard that these are the end of days? 10thouand times? milions times? i dont even know. And the game is still alive and it will be for a long time.
I'm being dramatic, but that doesn't mean that rising gold prices are good news in any way, especially with less players selling their gold (because of how much easier it is to acquire coin, the need to exchange for coin is lower too, among other reasons)
The gold price has increase cause some stupid players think that all ppl that are botting can make 100mil per day. In fact there is just 10% Of ppl botting o n each server that can make that amount of money.The rest are barely making between 6 -10mil per day.
Its increasing because gold is scarce and often in high demand....and now players have a lot more (often effortlessly earned) coin that they're willing to part with for the sake of acquiring said gold. Be they someone who can pump hundreds of millions into the economy a week or just a measly 6~10m, coin itself is losing its value because its not being drained as fast as its generated.
See >this post
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Cashoppers are affected not directly from gold prices.LuckingFoco - Raging Tide wrote: »Gold prices and coin value have little effect on cash shoppers. GSTs and MoGs sold in catshops aren't even a bother to cash shoppers since they buy the MoGs and chip packs when they are on sale with real money so they can r9 their toon. Same with +10 orbs. In game inflation means very little. Most cash shoppers bot to get a few coins for skills for alts, or they might sell some gold, but very little of it. Cash shoppers don't care about the cause and effect of coin inflation. They don't need to farm for coins, and don't care if tokens of luck sell for 40k each. They just buy packs from the boutique when they get low.
Most of the inflation is caused by people that play F2P. Why would a cash shopper sell gold for coin when they don't need coin? Only thing auto-culti helps is the free to play player who is dependent on in game coin and when cash shoppers, which are a dying breed aren't selling gold, there is less and less gold for the free to play player to buy. It then becomes supply and demand.
Whenever there is an important item on sale like chip packs, rep, MoGs, +10 orbs, gold value always goes up. There are less and less cash shoppers willing to part with their gold because they tend to have the majority of their needs fulfilled already and this leaves free to play players in the lurch that need the above items, but have no ability to spend real money for them. They bot to make coin. They saturate the game with it and cash shoppers don't care. Free to play merchants that buy up important items like those above tend to inflate the prices. Again, cash shoppers don't care.
for example they sell gold to get coins to buy GST.
Because GST currently not on sale and save some by selling the gold and buying the GST with coins from merchants.
Merchants greed is another factor they selling GST for 10m when they were on sale they were at 6.5m. But also is not their full fault
The problem is players that are getting coins without doing nothing do not care for the value of coins and they overpay since it did not cost them any effort at all.
you think cash shoppers do not need coins? then why do they even bother doing BH daily to have a change to get a coin card?bloodedone87 wrote: »How many times i heard that these are the end of days? 10thouand times? milions times? i dont even know. And the game is still alive and it will be for a long time.
The gold price has increase cause some stupid players think that all ppl that are botting can make 100mil per day. In fact there is just 10% Of ppl botting o n each server that can make that amount of money.The rest are barely making between 6 -10mil per day.
How many people play on each server?
Lets say 10,000 people play per server 10% does auto cultivation = 1000 players
1000 players x 100 million a day = 100,000,000,000 billion
ok ok that seems exagerated....
Here a better calculation
Lets say 10,000 players play per server.
10% of them do auto cultivation daily
1,000 players earning 6-10 million a day.
6,000,000,000
in a month = 168,000,000,000 Billions inserted into the economy...
People just do not see how much of an impact this make seriously.
Read it over and over again 10 times if you must till you get it. Because is so simple to analyze yet people do not get it....
:::::::::::::::::::Compare PVP servers::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Lost City
Harshlands
http://i.imgur.com/tkm7dut.png
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Dreamweaver
http://i.imgur.com/O8T6Uta.png
Raging Tides
http://i.imgur.com/8MtOvKk.png
Dreamweaver
http://i.imgur.com/O8T6Uta.png
Morai prices:
http://i.imgur.com/Q5G0S0j.png
Santuary your server
http://i.imgur.com/AQaI7BK.png
Achosaur which was the cheapest server was beaten by all PVP servers
http://i.imgur.com/bjAIHRv.png
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LAST YEAR GOLD PRICES
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...1&postcount=63
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PVP Servers
Harshlands
Gold price sell 1.75 buy 1.7
time between wc 7
Lost City
Gold Price= sell 1.988 buy 1.9
Time between WC=9 seconds
PVE Servers
Archosuar
Gold Price sell 1.049 buy 1.012
Time between WC=6 seconds
Sanct
Gold Pirce sell 1.4mil buy 1.3mil
time between wc=3
HT
Gold price sell 1.4 buy 1.35
time between wc=4
Raging Tide
Gold price sell 1.585 buy 1.48
time betwen wc=4
Dreamweaver
Gold price sell 1.448 buy 1.36
time between wc=5
See PVP servers now are cheaper and PVE gold is over a million more expensive. The Proof is there all you need to knowDo you want PWI to fix the economy before is to late?
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Oh ya. Not their fault cause their selling GST with 10mil. We buyers said: ''You selling GST with6,5 mil. Im not gonna buy it from you with 6,5 mil. Im gonna buy it with 10mil'' They increses the prices free will so we have no option then to overpay. Cause i repeat: they think that all players are making huge amount of money botting. And thats not true.0
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jwillson123 wrote: »Cashoppers are affected not directly from gold prices.
for example they sell gold to get coins to buy GST.
Because GST currently not on sale and save some by selling the gold and buying the GST with coins from merchants.
Merchants greed is another factor they selling GST for 10m when they were on sale they were at 6.5m. But also is not their full fault
The problem is players that are getting coins without doing nothing do not care for the value of coins and they overpay since it did not cost them any effort at all.
you think cash shoppers do not need coins? then why do they even bother doing BH daily to have a change to get a coin card?
How many people play on each server?
Lets say 10,000 people play per server 10% does auto cultivation = 1000 players
1000 players x 100 million a day = 100,000,000,000 billion
ok ok that seems exagerated....
Here a better calculation
Lets say 10,000 players play per server.
10% of them do auto cultivation daily
1,000 players earning 6-10 million a day.
6,000,000,000
in a month = 168,000,000,000 Billions inserted into the economy...
People just do not see how much of an impact this make seriously.
Read it over and over again 10 times if you must till you get it. Because is so simple to analyze yet people do not get it....
:::::::::::::::::::Compare PVP servers::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Lost City
Harshlands
http://i.imgur.com/tkm7dut.png
:::::::::::::::::::::::With PVE Servers:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Dreamweaver
http://i.imgur.com/O8T6Uta.png
Raging Tides
http://i.imgur.com/8MtOvKk.png
Dreamweaver
http://i.imgur.com/O8T6Uta.png
Morai prices:
http://i.imgur.com/Q5G0S0j.png
Santuary your server
http://i.imgur.com/AQaI7BK.png
Achosaur which was the cheapest server was beaten by all PVP servers
http://i.imgur.com/bjAIHRv.png
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LAST YEAR GOLD PRICES
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...1&postcount=63
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PVP Servers
Harshlands
Gold price sell 1.75 buy 1.7
time between wc 7
Lost City
Gold Price= sell 1.988 buy 1.9
Time between WC=9 seconds
PVE Servers
Archosuar
Gold Price sell 1.049 buy 1.012
Time between WC=6 seconds
Sanct
Gold Pirce sell 1.4mil buy 1.3mil
time between wc=3
HT
Gold price sell 1.4 buy 1.35
time between wc=4
Raging Tide
Gold price sell 1.585 buy 1.48
time betwen wc=4
Dreamweaver
Gold price sell 1.448 buy 1.36
time between wc=5
See PVP servers now are cheaper and PVE gold is over a million more expensive. The Proof is there all you need to know
Well I am a cash shopper. I bought my GSTs over a couple of days in the form of chip packs from the boutique and spent hours and hours opening them. Same thing with rep, I bought all I needed to get 300k. And again with MoGs I bought most during the sale then a few at normal boutique price. I never bought any of it from a catshop, nor have I ever bought tokens from catshops.Malice Leader - Raging Tides
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LuckingFoco - Raging Tide wrote: »Well I am a cash shopper. I bought my GSTs over a couple of days in the form of chip packs from the boutique and spent hours and hours opening them. Same thing with rep, I bought all I needed to get 300k. And again with MoGs I bought most during the sale then a few at normal boutique price. I never bought any of it from a catshop, nor have I ever bought tokens from catshops.
People do that to get the most out of their money.
Since you buy them from boutique without them on sell with current market prices you pay
18 m per gst.
If you had sold gold you could had use the coins to buy them for 10 million each from a catshop and save 8m per GST.
If you brought 100 GST that is 700m saved right there from buying it from catshop instead of boutique.
Lowest buy on your server 3.6m
5 gold = GST
3.6m(gold price) x 5 gold = 18 m per GST
100 GST = 1.8 billion
VS
or sell 3 gold = 10.8 million
buy from catshop 10 million
100 GST = 1 billion
100 GST that would be 800 m saved.
and you could had saved the hoursss and coins if you had brought from catshop instead
But of course depends on server too.bloodedone87 wrote: »Oh ya. Not their fault cause their selling GST with 10mil. We buyers said: ''You selling GST with6,5 mil. Im not gonna buy it from you with 6,5 mil. Im gonna buy it with 10mil'' They increses the prices free will so we have no option then to overpay. Cause i repeat: they think that all players are making huge amount of money botting. And thats not true.
People are not forced to buy, they buy because they have no patience at all.
If people were more patience and refuse to buy expensive prices the merchant would had no choice than to lower the cost. A person who auto culti could get enough to buy one while they sleep in 2 nights. So they do not value the amount since they did nothing to get it.Do you want PWI to fix the economy before is to late?
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jwillson123 wrote: »People do that to get the most out of their money.
Since you buy them from boutique without them on sell with current market prices you pay
18 m per gst.
If you had sold gold you could had use the coins to buy them for 10 million each from a catshop and save 8m per GST.
If you brought 100 GST that is 700m saved right there from buying it from catshop instead of boutique.
Lowest buy on your server 3.6m
5 gold = GST
3.6m(gold price) x 5 gold = 18 m per GST
100 GST = 1.8 billion
VS
or sell 3 gold = 10.8 million
buy from catshop 10 million
100 GST = 1 billion
100 GST that would be 800 m saved.
and you could had saved the hoursss and coins if you had brought from catshop instead
But of course depends on server too.
People are not forced to buy, they buy because they have no patience at all.
If people were more patience and refuse to buy expensive prices the merchant would had no choice than to lower the cost. A person who auto culti could get enough to buy one while they sleep in 2 nights. So they do not value the amount since they did nothing to get it.
We are getting nowere with this discussion. You want auto culti be removed, i simply dont care if its removed or not. Just simple dont believe that is the biggest problem for the gold prices have raised up. PW would do what they want and whats good for their bussines. What they think is good. So we are argue for nothing. And probably this will be my last reply on this post.0 -
bloodedone87 wrote: »We are getting nowere with this discussion. You want auto culti be removed, i simply dont care if its removed or not. Just simple dont believe that is the biggest problem for the gold prices have raised up. PW would do what they want and whats good for their bussines. What they think is good. So we are argue for nothing. And probably this will be my last reply on this post.
I do not want it removed I think it can be useful for people that want to complete daily quests.
I just think is best that it should be limited to 1 hour per day so that people do not abuse it.
Either that or put all DQ items to 1 coin.
Also the post have made a lot of progress. Look at all the info this thread has gathered. Do you want PWI to fix the economy before is to late?
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jwillson123 wrote: »I do not want it removed I think it can be useful for people that want to complete daily quests.
I just think is best that it should be limited to 1 hour per day so that people do not abuse it.
Either that or put all DQ items to 1 coin.
Also the post have made a lot of progress. Look at all the info this thread has gathered.
So basically what you are saying is if I am working from home and want to auto culti then I am basically screwed because I should only be able to do it for one hour or not at all? And the illegal 3rd party bots (easy to figure out which ones those are) should he able to do as they have done for ages since we know PWI won't do anything about them.
I don't care if DQ is lowered down to 1 coin, but I do like auto cultivation when I'm busy with work. I gather free pots, average shards for the morai CS, and other random things, plus get a little xp and spirit. The coin I could care less about. People botting on quest mobs I could care less about since it takes me very little extra time to kill what I need for my dailies anyway (especially when I don't waste time picking up the drops)
So limit to one hour, no thanksMalice Leader - Raging Tides
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LuckingFoco - Raging Tide wrote: »So basically what you are saying is if I am working from home and want to auto culti then I am basically screwed because I should only be able to do it for one hour or not at all? And the illegal 3rd party bots (easy to figure out which ones those are) should he able to do as they have done for ages since we know PWI won't do anything about them.
I don't care if DQ is lowered down to 1 coin, but I do like auto cultivation when I'm busy with work. I gather free pots, average shards for the morai CS, and other random things, plus get a little xp and spirit. The coin I could care less about. People botting on quest mobs I could care less about since it takes me very little extra time to kill what I need for my dailies anyway (especially when I don't waste time picking up the drops)
So limit to one hour, no thanks
they should make it so mobs do not drop more DQ after 1 hour.
The problem is DQ items they the major bulk of coins.
3rd party bots are rare.
I rather have a few people abusing that we can easily report if they botting for more than 1 hour.
Than having half the server doing auto culti and running the value of coins and making it impossible to know if someone using illegal bot if they run it for more than 1 hour.Do you want PWI to fix the economy before is to late?
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The problem isn't botting. The problem is the GOLD SPAMMERS. They came into the game a few months ago (3months) and started spamming GOLD at 30mil for $10 or less. PWI cannot compete since their gold is $10 for 10Mil. Basically people were spending 1.4mil per each Gold sold in game. Now that they can get 30Mil in gold for less than what they pay PWI/ARC, they can afford to buy the Gold without spending in game money. The same thing happened to my last game which used to crack down hard on gold spammers and new accounts with fake names. I played that game for over 5 years until the cheapest item on their Item Mall was over max gold limimit in game. They don't even have botting available and are pure PVP. Botting can get annoying for people doing quests, but the maps are so large and there are usually many spots full of the same kind of mobs it would be rediculous to argue over one spot. Many times you can just take over a spot and killthe mobs you need with botters there and just leave when you're done. People hate change and think botting is lazy. I play all day, but I also work all day and While I'm busy at work I would like to make a bit of free money without having to spend cash for Gold/Zen. I don't see what is so bad about playing a game free when it's supposed to be free to play. If I make 3mil in a botting session and have enough money to link my gear or buy something in game, who is it harming?0
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grongokitty wrote: »The problem isn't botting. The problem is the GOLD SPAMMERS. They came into the game a few months ago (3months) and started spamming GOLD at 30mil for $10 or less. PWI cannot compete since their gold is $10 for 10Mil. Basically people were spending 1.4mil per each Gold sold in game. Now that they can get 30Mil in gold for less than what they pay PWI/ARC. The same thing happened to my last game which used to crack down hard on gold spammers and new accounts with fake names. I played that game for over 5 years until the cheapest item on their Item Mall was over max gold limimit in game. Botting can get annoying for people doing quests, but the maps are so large and there are usually many spots full of the same kind of mobs it would be rediculous to argue over one spot. Many times you can just take over a spot and killthe mobs you need with botters there and just leave when you're done. People hate change and think botting is lazy. I play all day, but I also work all day and While I'm busy at work I would like to make a bit of free money without having to spend cash for Gold/Zen. I don't see what is so bad about playing a game free when it's supposed to be free to play. If I make 3mil in a botting session and have enough money to link my gear or buy something in game, who is it harming?
Make a new account in morai and one on harshland and lost city and check prices then tell me botting is not a problem Do you want PWI to fix the economy before is to late?
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Hi all just a quick note to say im still watching this thread to see where it goes and what people are really after.
Sweetiebot please tag this thread as Red with note HOT TOPIC! Limit / Remove auto cultivation
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grongokitty wrote: »The problem isn't botting. The problem is the GOLD SPAMMERS. They came into the game a few months ago (3months) and started spamming GOLD at 30mil for $10 or less. PWI cannot compete since their gold is $10 for 10Mil. Basically people were spending 1.4mil per each Gold sold in game. Now that they can get 30Mil in gold for less than what they pay PWI/ARC, they can afford to buy the Gold without spending in game money. The same thing happened to my last game which used to crack down hard on gold spammers and new accounts with fake names. I played that game for over 5 years until the cheapest item on their Item Mall was over max gold limimit in game. They don't even have botting available and are pure PVP. Botting can get annoying for people doing quests, but the maps are so large and there are usually many spots full of the same kind of mobs it would be rediculous to argue over one spot. Many times you can just take over a spot and killthe mobs you need with botters there and just leave when you're done. People hate change and think botting is lazy. I play all day, but I also work all day and While I'm busy at work I would like to make a bit of free money without having to spend cash for Gold/Zen. I don't see what is so bad about playing a game free when it's supposed to be free to play. If I make 3mil in a botting session and have enough money to link my gear or buy something in game, who is it harming?
Ok had to laugh at this...do you REALLY think those websites are legitimate?
Sure get cheap gold. Enjoy the keylogger/malware/account stealing "oh no I been ****!!!"Malice Leader - Raging Tides
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grongokitty wrote: »The problem isn't botting. The problem is the GOLD SPAMMERS. They came into the game a few months ago (3months) and started spamming GOLD at 30mil for $10 or less. PWI cannot compete since their gold is $10 for 10Mil. Basically people were spending 1.4mil per each Gold sold in game. Now that they can get 30Mil in gold for less than what they pay PWI/ARC, they can afford to buy the Gold without spending in game money. The same thing happened to my last game which used to crack down hard on gold spammers and new accounts with fake names. I played that game for over 5 years until the cheapest item on their Item Mall was over max gold limimit in game. They don't even have botting available and are pure PVP. Botting can get annoying for people doing quests, but the maps are so large and there are usually many spots full of the same kind of mobs it would be rediculous to argue over one spot. Many times you can just take over a spot and killthe mobs you need with botters there and just leave when you're done. People hate change and think botting is lazy. I play all day, but I also work all day and While I'm busy at work I would like to make a bit of free money without having to spend cash for Gold/Zen. I don't see what is so bad about playing a game free when it's supposed to be free to play. If I make 3mil in a botting session and have enough money to link my gear or buy something in game, who is it harming?
Did you visit Harshland and Lost city and compare it with pve servers.
Check prices:
Gold bids
Medal of Glory
General tokens.
Event items form packs
Compare it with Achosaur which was know(NOT anymore) as the server with cheapest gold and most fair prices.
Then check prices from last year of pvp servers They were the most expensive servers and now they become the most expensive servers with best prices with gold bids a million coin less.
Here last year prices provided by our Moderator oVenusArmanio
Lost City
Gold Price= sell 1.988 buy 1.9
Time between WC=9 seconds
Archosuar
Gold Price sell 1.049 buy 1.012
Time between WC=6 seconds
Sanct
Gold Pirce sell 1.4mil buy 1.3mil
time between wc=3
HT
Gold price sell 1.4 buy 1.35
time between wc=4
Raging Tide
Gold price sell 1.585 buy 1.48
time betwen wc=4
Dreamweaver
Gold price sell 1.448 buy 1.36
time between wc=5
Harshlands
Gold price sell 1.75 buy 1.7
time between wc 7
I don't see what is so bad about playing a game free when it's supposed to be free to play. If I make 3mil in a botting session and have enough money to link my gear or buy something in game, who is it harming?
Its harming all players because of inflation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation
It can be defined as too much money chasing too few goods. When the general price level rises, each unit of currency buys fewer goods and services. Consequently, inflation reflects a reduction in the purchasing power per unit of money – a loss of real value in the medium of exchange and unit of account within the economy
It harms farmers the most, people that actually spend hours to farm.
Now their effort earning have been reduced by half now they have to farm for 2 hours to earn what they used to earn in 1 hour
It harms low level and medium merchants.Now they have to merch for twice as long to earn what they used to because the value of coins have been reduced by more than half.
Auto culti destroys coins purchasing power because the more coins there are the less value they have is that simple.Do you want PWI to fix the economy before is to late?
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Im with u 100% . And i started to talk about this on forums . I suggest u stop repeating ur self u answered everything .stop defending the idea .... U are wasting ur time Now let the thick heads think wht they want and believe wht they want .jwillson123 wrote: »Did you visit Harshland and Lost city and compare it with pve servers.
Check prices:
Gold bids
Medal of Glory
General tokens.
Event items form packs
Compare it with Achosaur which was know(NOT anymore) as the server with cheapest gold and most fair prices.
Then check prices from last year of pvp servers They were the most expensive servers and now they become the most expensive servers with best prices with gold bids a million coin less.
Here last year prices provided by our Moderator oVenusArmanio
Lost City
Gold Price= sell 1.988 buy 1.9
Time between WC=9 seconds
Archosuar
Gold Price sell 1.049 buy 1.012
Time between WC=6 seconds
Sanct
Gold Pirce sell 1.4mil buy 1.3mil
time between wc=3
HT
Gold price sell 1.4 buy 1.35
time between wc=4
Raging Tide
Gold price sell 1.585 buy 1.48
time betwen wc=4
Dreamweaver
Gold price sell 1.448 buy 1.36
time between wc=5
Harshlands
Gold price sell 1.75 buy 1.7
time between wc 7
I don't see what is so bad about playing a game free when it's supposed to be free to play. If I make 3mil in a botting session and have enough money to link my gear or buy something in game, who is it harming?
Its harming all players because of inflation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation
It can be defined as too much money chasing too few goods. When the general price level rises, each unit of currency buys fewer goods and services. Consequently, inflation reflects a reduction in the purchasing power per unit of money – a loss of real value in the medium of exchange and unit of account within the economy
It harms farmers the most, people that actually spend hours to farm.
Now their effort earning have been reduced by half now they have to farm for 2 hours to earn what they used to earn in 1 hour
It harms low level and medium merchants.Now they have to merch for twice as long to earn what they used to because the value of coins have been reduced by more than half.
Auto culti destroys coins purchasing power because the more coins there are the less value they have is that simple.
If u want this to get more effect u can advertise for it on all servers . Not to keep it limited for those 300-400 who would read suggestion box to decide about it.Up for any challenge .
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Ulquiorraa__ - Raging Tide wrote: »Im with u 100% . And i started to talk about this on forums . I suggest u stop repeating ur self u answered everything .stop defending the idea .... U are wasting ur time Now let the thick heads think wht they want and believe wht they want .
If u want this to get more effect u can advertise for it on all servers . Not to keep it limited for those 300-400 who would read suggestion box to decide about it.
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Ulquiorraa__ - Raging Tide wrote: »Im with u 100% . And i started to talk about this on forums . I suggest u stop repeating ur self u answered everything .stop defending the idea .... U are wasting ur time Now let the thick heads think wht they want and believe wht they want .
If u want this to get more effect u can advertise for it on all servers . Not to keep it limited for those 300-400 who would read suggestion box to decide about it.
the problem is how I am gonna get teles on all servers?
I only play on dreamweaver.
The other thing is
My idea is making a petition and get as many people to sign it up.
and market it on forums I would like if people on this forum could help me get that petition on their server and use their wc teles at the right time.Do you want PWI to fix the economy before is to late?
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Petitions would work if this were a democracy. It is not.
Also, any attempt to debilitate autocultivation would simply cause botters to migrate to non-autoculti bots (which are still being used quite frequently, even by players in full R9). Since noone takes action on those, it will not solve the problem, it will only harm those players who try to make a small extra coin with autocul.
If you REALLY want to make botting an unviable source of income, then remove the DQ items, or reduce the value of ALL of them to one coin. As long as players can benefit from botting, they'll find ways to do it. Take away the incentive to bot and the problem will be gone. Also raise the prices of most endgame weapons by a factor of 10 so that repair bills are much heavier (leave armor unaffected, most bots don't get hit a lot anyway, they oneshot things). Combined these two will make botting unprofitable and therefor unattractive to do, regardless of how it's done.
Then watch as people migrate back to Jolly Jones for cash.I'm so P.R.O... I Press Respawn Often.
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Evryn - Morai wrote: »Petitions would work if this were a democracy. It is not.
Also, any attempt to debilitate autocultivation would simply cause botters to migrate to non-autoculti bots (which are still being used quite frequently, even by players in full R9). Since noone takes action on those, it will not solve the problem, it will only harm those players who try to make a small extra coin with autocul.
If you REALLY want to make botting an unviable source of income, then remove the DQ items, or reduce the value of ALL of them to one coin. As long as players can benefit from botting, they'll find ways to do it. Take away the incentive to bot and the problem will be gone. Also raise the prices of most endgame weapons by a factor of 10 so that repair bills are much heavier (leave armor unaffected, most bots don't get hit a lot anyway, they oneshot things). Combined these two will make botting unprofitable and therefor unattractive to do, regardless of how it's done.
Then watch as people migrate back to Jolly Jones for cash.
Non auto culti bots wont affect the economy that much. Cause lets be serious no one can grind on 10 chars same time. But they can auto cultivate on 10 chars same time.I repeat for the hundreth time: the problem is not the system. The problem are the ppl that abuse it. PW should find a way to stop them using 10 chars same time.0
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