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Eoria - Harshlands

NPC gear only would pretty much just favor whoever managed to hit 105/105/105.

opkossy

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

NPC gear only would pretty much just favor whoever managed to hit 105/105/105.

NPC gear is just first hit wins with the high damage on most attacks nowadays. Exception being for possibly barbs due to invoke and venos (especially heavy/robe ones) due to hood. Plume shell would die way too fast in NPC gear to be of any value but sleep combos would pretty much guarantee 1-shots.

Of course, Instant/tiny channel disable -> WHATEVER will crush a vast majority of people if it's a NPC gear fight. The minority not crushed being those who either got lucky enough for the skill to miss/fail, already had an anti-disable up, or used domain/faith into immunity right at the start.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

Jarkhen - Archosaur wrote: »

The problem with smaller group sizes is that it becomes more and more difficult to overcome e.g. a fully jaded squad. With 10v10 you have a lot more opportunity for significant focused fire to take down people who outgear you.

The problem with such a large squad size though, if they aren't random squads, is that a lot of people might not be able to make a squad that big. For example, I have a few friends that would be interested in this but because their PvPing is currently limited to events like NW and they don't do TW, they don't have groups of friends they know that PvP. The large group favors TW factions but unless the squads are randomed, it leaves out a lot of other people.

5 vs 5 might be tricky too in some cases but a lot easier to get than 10 vs 10. Also, we would have more groups competing which would be interesting.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Important suggestion: It should be ask to the players to set their chars on normal beside fashion, it would avoid the cheating of switching gears during the fight. In case someone try to get into a lower gears/weapon category then use higher gears/weapon during the fight, it could only be see if people use the normal option beside fashion.

SS for sparkie in case he doesn't know what I mean:

G16 gears/weap on the fashion option
http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1149&u=15458938

R9 gears/weap on the fashion option
http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1150&u=15458938

G16 gears/weap on the normal option
http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1151&u=15458938

R9 gears/weap on the normal option
http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1152&u=15458938

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I didn't get answers yet to a question I asked to sparkie, maybe he did miss it with the amount of posts so I'll ask again:

Do the category of level 95-99 and 94 and less include rebirth players or it's for non-rebirth people?

I suggest to make a category for non-rebirth players level 99 and lower and to make a category of level 99 and lower for rebirth people.

So basically I suggest to make the categories like this:

-Level 99 and lower non-rebirth. (for that one I would maybe exclude the warsoul weapon since it's too OP and obviously an alt, allow the TT, FC, Lunar and molds equipment)

-Level 99 and lower rebirth once.

-Level 99 and lower rebirth twice.

I suggest for all those categories to exclude the NW recast items (rings, tomes, head/cape etc...), but same as the level 100+ to allow all pots, charms etc...

I also suggest to don't make a definitive 5v5 on those categories and to let it open at change in case of the participation is low for those lower level categories, so I suggest that you tell those categories to prepare for 5v5 squads, but that it could be lower to 3v3 or even 1v1 if the participation if low.

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And to make it more simple for the prize I suggest to put it at 50 golds by player, nvm if it's a 1v1, 5v5 or 10v10 so a 1v1 winner doesn't get 250 golds for him alone while a 5v5 squad winner need to split 250 golds between 5 players (50 golds each). (in case 1v1 is needed for lower categories if the participation is lower on some servers)

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Someone suggested random squads, which I'm not in favor for, but I think it could be allowed for players that want to participate, but doesn't have a squad to go there and be match with other players to form a squad. Not everyone have friends/faction that want to participate and for those that are alone random squads could be a good idea, but already formed squads should be allowed too.

So if there's example 25 random players without squad the GMs can randomly select 5 of those players to be squad leaders and those 5 leaders take turn to pick people in their squad, also if it's decided to be rainbow squad (not more than one of each class in the squad) than the leader need to pick different classes if possible, if it's not then those random squads might end with more than 1 player of each class, also it would mean that maybe the last squad will have more or less players than 5 if the amount of players isn't able to be split in 5, example there's 19 or 21 random players then there will be a squad of 4 or 6. I don't think a random squad of 6 players will have advantage on a formed squad of 5, a squad of 4 would have a disadvantage, but nothing much can be done for that.

sparkiesoft

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Zanryu - Lothranis

OPKossy wrote: »

NPC gear is just first hit wins with the high damage on most attacks nowadays. Exception being for possibly barbs due to invoke and venos (especially heavy/robe ones) due to hood. Plume shell would die way too fast in NPC gear to be of any value but sleep combos would pretty much guarantee 1-shots.

Of course, Instant/tiny channel disable -> WHATEVER will crush a vast majority of people if it's a NPC gear fight. The minority not crushed being those who either got lucky enough for the skill to miss/fail, already had an anti-disable up, or used domain/faith into immunity right at the start.

Actually, you can take a few hits in npc gear. It's pets that would tip the scales horribly as you can't gear them down.

Zsw - Dreamweaver

sparkiesoft wrote: »

Note: I chose to do the level 100-105 bracket/no gear restriction because it was the simplest way to do it for now. The game is too unbalanced to create multiple brackets, and we need a way to test if this event is worth running in the future. With that said, you have the option to not take anyone of a lower level if you choose, but that is up to you and your team.

Does Sparkie himself believe that the game is currently unbalanced? Will it be possible to resolve this unbalance?

Jarkhen - Archosaur

Question: Is there any possibility to allow teams to designate a "backup" if one of the original team members has something come up and is unable to participate?

Toraah - Archosaur

Do you have a time set for the event? With it being on a Saturday you're going to have to get around TW times.

sparkiesoft

Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Does Sparkie himself believe that the game is currently unbalanced? Will it be possible to resolve this unbalance?

It's imbalanced enough, that making brackets at higher levels is proving to be pretty difficult, hence the level 100-105 change :P

Jarkhen - Archosaur wrote: »

Question: Is there any possibility to allow teams to designate a "backup" if one of the original team members has something come up and is unable to participate?

I don't see why not, I'll have to work on the details for that,

Toraah - Archosaur wrote: »

Do you have a time set for the event? With it being on a Saturday you're going to have to get around TW times.

No time as of yet. I'll update that next week when everything is more solid.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

The game is pretty unbalance itself, there's nothing much the GM can do about it, I think people should just try to go to have fun, cause beside making category of lvl/gears nothing else can be done really.

+ sparkie said there will be PVE events too in the future so yea let's just have fun. b:pleased

JustAllEvil - Harshlands

Er, so the first come, first serve thing with teams...is there going to be a limit on how many teams one faction can sign up? Most people are going to team up with their own faction and if one faction is all the teams it seems rather rigged. Wouldn't a certain cutoff hour for sign ups then a lottery keep that less likely from happening? (Unless I'm totally misunderstanding the sign ups here..)

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

JustAllEvil - Harshlands wrote: »

Er, so the first come, first serve thing with teams...is there going to be a limit on how many teams one faction can sign up? Most people are going to team up with their own faction and if one faction is all the teams it seems rather rigged. Wouldn't a certain cutoff hour for sign ups then a lottery keep that less likely from happening? (Unless I'm totally misunderstanding the sign ups here..)

Lol 8 teams from the same faction would be sort of hilarious and sad

Jarkhen - Archosaur

If the situation on HL is so bad that you're worried about there being all 8 squads from a single faction, then I have no words. I thought Archo was bad b:laugh

The only semi-viable alternative I can see to having it be first-come-first-serve is for Sparkie to just pick the top 8 "best geared" squads that are submitted, but that introduces an element of subjectivity that I'm not sure he'd like to go with.

Aubree - Dreamweaver

sparkiesoft wrote: »

It's imbalanced enough, that making brackets at higher levels is proving to be pretty difficult, hence the level 100-105 change :P



I don't see why not, I'll have to work on the details for that,



No time as of yet. I'll update that next week when everything is more solid.

Exactly! Might as well just send that gold out to the people from each server with 105 x3 and full S card sets for the first bracket. Skip any Façade.

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver

Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Exactly! Might as well just send that gold out to the people from each server with 105 x3 and full S card sets for the first bracket. Skip any Façade.

I guess we know who wins for dreamweaver then b:shutup

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver

Jarkhen - Archosaur wrote: »

If the situation on HL is so bad that you're worried about there being all 8 squads from a single faction, then I have no words. I thought Archo was bad b:laugh

I think they meant what if one faction spam submits 8 teams so no other faction would get a chance to participate.

Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Exactly! Might as well just send that gold out to the people from each server with 105 x3 and full S card sets for the first bracket. Skip any Façade.

What about us noob non 105^3 people, we deserve a fighting chance!

Seriously though do you know how many people there are on DW with full S cards, you'd be surprised, I saw one yesterday from your faction that had pretty much full S cards but +8 on gears. lol

I know you'd taken a long break from the game and only recently came back and are therefore under geared by comparison but had this competition been held back in those DragOOnz days you would've been one of these 'squads of people with OP blah blah', and there will be other tiers I hope so everyone gets some fun.

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I guess we know who wins for dreamweaver then b:shutup

I hope people aren't so defeatist and still participate even if they know they will lose, this is the kind of attitude we seem to lack however and most people prefer to sit on the sidelines and QQ that it's unfair and this is lame and you all suck and they didn't wanna play anyway etc etc. Would be pretty disappointing if it's just Tempest squads, but I wouldn't be surprised given the mood right about now.

Even the Kill the GM event had an almost non existent turnout so yeah.

paralleogram

I applaud you for trying to do something with the community.

However, some classes are so unbalanced with others even with comparable gear... this is a bit unfair--- AA classes (EPs and Mytics specifically) do not even have a surviving chance.

opkossy

paralleogram wrote: »

However, some classes are so unbalanced with others even with comparable gear... this is a bit unfair--- AA classes (EPs and Mytics specifically) do not even have a surviving chance.

You're... joking, right?

Fighting a cleric is like fighting a magic assassin. In a 1v1 scenario, a well geared and smart cleric is easily one of the stronger contenders for victory.

Eoria - Harshlands

Jarkhen - Archosaur wrote: »

If the situation on HL is so bad that you're worried about there being all 8 squads from a single faction, then I have no words. I thought Archo was bad b:laugh

Some people are just obsessed. See our forum section for more.

Azura - Lost City

sparkiesoft wrote: »

Note: I chose to do the level 100-105 bracket/no gear restriction because it was the simplest way to do it for now. The game is too unbalanced to create multiple brackets, and we need a way to test if this event is worth running in the future. With that said, you have the option to not take anyone of a lower level if you choose, but that is up to you and your team.

Nobody will be left out. Even if the event does not work out as planned, we will revise it and continue doing it for the mid and low brackets, so everyone has a chance to participate and win.

Lastly, this is a test-run and should be treated as such. Everyone is still eligible for prizes, but the event may not work out as planned. That is okay! If it does not, but the community really likes it, we will revise and keep doing it!

Good call sparkie, so this will serve as kind of a experiment to see if how this works. I volunteer for all the experimentsb:chuckle

JustAllEvil - Harshlands

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Some people are just obsessed. See our forum section for more.

Calm. For once I wasn't referring to one particular faction trying this, I could see more than one. Was suggesting a way to make it more fair for all. After all, Sparkie is asking for suggestions, and since it's a fun event I'd rather suggest than have issues later... -.-;

The other consideration is a cut off sign up time/lottery would help for players who are not in same time zone as when it's posted or working jobs without 'net access.

Jarkhen - Archosaur

JustAllEvil - Harshlands wrote: »

The other consideration is a cut off sign up time/lottery would help for players who are not in same time zone as when it's posted or working jobs without 'net access.

Then have someone who is post it. You have 5 players (6, if he allows us a backup player). I highly doubt all of them will be unable to get on at the time he opens signups.

Eoria - Harshlands

Jarkhen - Archosaur wrote: »

Then have someone who is post it. You have 5 players (6, if he allows us a backup player). I highly doubt all of them will be unable to get on at the time he opens signups.

Kind of have to agree with this. Unless sparkie opens signups at like 2am or something, chances are someone from your team will be on and we won't end up with all the squads from one guild.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

JustAllEvil - Harshlands wrote: »

Calm. For once I wasn't referring to one particular faction trying this, I could see more than one. Was suggesting a way to make it more fair for all. After all, Sparkie is asking for suggestions, and since it's a fun event I'd rather suggest than have issues later... -.-;

The other consideration is a cut off sign up time/lottery would help for players who are not in same time zone as when it's posted or working jobs without 'net access.

Put someone in your squad in charge of checking the forum as often as he can and when he see the announcement to register the squad ASAP. (pretty sure it will be announce on forum/FB before in game so yea..)

8 teams of 5 people mean 40 people per server can participate, it's kinda low in my opinion and a lot won't be able to participate and might end frustrated.

If they see that the first 8 teams are all from the same faction then at that point they can decide to put a max amount of teams from the same faction to let the chance to different factions to participate cause ye I assume majority of people will team with their factions.

Well see I guess.

Sevchenko - Dreamweaver

1 thing: A sin will kill everyone and lose to a veno in the last round b:avoid

sparkiesoft

I will be checking to make sure that not a whole faction ends up taking all of the slots. As for the time on sign-ups, I'll try and do each server at appropriate times. Possibly have 1 sign-up time for each server based off of the time zone that server is in.

I'll post more in here/forums as the week goes by.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

My mind started churning and then i thought..............

maybe this is all sparkies plot to nerf the OP classes that seem to have the most easiest % of win b:shutup

c44102

All honestly it doesnt come down to class with this it will come down to best gear with best cards. If someoen is RRR9 +10 or +12 with full S cards that is 80/80 they have a Huge atvantage over someone with the same gear but with junk cards. Hopefully cards willl be taken out of this i also seen somewhere give us limented timed gear for the event that would be perfect then they can see what classes are the ones that needs to be nurfed to even stuff out b:pleased

opkossy

c44102 wrote: »

All honestly it doesnt come down to class with this it will come down to best gear with best cards. If someoen is RRR9 +10 or +12 with full S cards that is 80/80 they have a Huge atvantage over someone with the same gear but with junk cards. Hopefully cards willl be taken out of this i also seen somewhere give us limented timed gear for the event that would be perfect then they can see what classes are the ones that needs to be nurfed to even stuff out b:pleased

We already went over this in the thread. Many people can't equip their gear without their cards and China isn't supporting this so the GMs managing this don't have any tools that they could use for things like giving everyone the same equipment level or putting them on a different server and so on.