Change the casters skills to base damage based skills and sage/demon effects

Zoldi - Morai · May 2014

Shadowvzss - Harshlands wrote: »

and ticket is nasty or aoe seal

Maybe I shouldn't underestimate it that much and try to use it more often but well... sage thicket is way overestimated to me. The description is great but in PVP this is more a monotarget skill than a real AOE in my opinion (area too small). And if you use it on casters you have 4 more chances for the purify to process. So in a lot of cases I consider this is just a two sparks waste. Demon bonus might be nice but for sage mystics this is usefull if you have the crappiest gear in your team or if your target outgear you a lot. Otherwise better use the sparks to do something else...

Shadowvzss - Harshlands · May 2014

Zoldi - Morai wrote: »

Maybe I shouldn't underestimate it that much and try to use it more often but well... sage thicket is way overestimated to me. The description is great but in PVP this is more a monotarget skill than a real AOE in my opinion (area too small). And if you use it on casters you have 4 more chances for the purify to process. So in a lot of cases I consider this is just a two sparks waste. Demon bonus might be nice but for sage mystics this is usefull if you have the crappiest gear in your team or if your target outgear you a lot. Otherwise better use the sparks to do something else...

well i agree with you, i said nasty coz happened with me more time when occured twice on me and was annoying because long duration

who talk about only 2 ppl qqing, here the qoutes, i didn't wanted post here so i link the txt file http://shadowvzs87.uw.hu/upload/qq.txt

back to subject original topic was made for restore the nuke skills
Example less boring than cleric only spam cycelon skill, but yes in damage per second still that will do more dmg than nuke skill because of casting, still make more colored the pvp, make viable again why worth to use 2 spark for ulties or why waste the time for defence debuffs like thundershock, udine, etc thats the main point of thread

Jarkhen - Archosaur · May 2014

Shadowvzss - Harshlands wrote: »

cleric got paralyze and sleep mostly both have negative effect to cleric (not much but -40% pdef or speed still negative)

> implying self-debuffs on a cleric really matter when they can just purify

I stopped reading here, the stupidity is too astounding. This thread isn't worth the effort of some proper math. Have fun with your asinine QQ.

Sevchenko - Dreamweaver · May 2014

Shadowvzss - Harshlands wrote: »

me look like demon tide spirit 20% crit,
demon landside have 30% chance for 50% crit
cleric Mark of Weakness another 15% crit rate
leeching devil chihyu another 30% crit
without loseing pdef and make caster to most squishy (well few of them cost spark, but increase even more the crit than 15%)

You're comparing a persistent 15% buff against 8~15s duration buffs. I won't even read the rest of text wall.

With short cooldowns on pyroshell/Stone barrier a wizard can quickly switch those like can a psychic switch from black to white voodoo and thus having 2 different postures: One more offensive and other more defensive.

As for XXHotXx, nation wars is not about PvP anymore, G16 people quit maps with R9 people, R9 normal people quit maps with R9 JoSD people. NW is about making points/money not about PvP.
Staying on maps with enemies much better geared than yourself is just re.tard.

Shadowvzss - Harshlands · May 2014

Sevchenko - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You're comparing a persistent 15% buff against 8~15s duration buffs. I won't even read the rest of text wall.

With short cooldowns on pyroshell/Stone barrier a wizard can quickly switch those like can a psychic switch from black to white voodoo and thus having 2 different postures: One more offensive and other more defensive.
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because u also talked about negative effect on black voodoo with minor 8/11 def level reduction then mentioned the pyroshell when black voodoo also switchable than pyroshell else leave wizz alot more survibility chance than psy but not like huge different at all at end game but still higher cooldown, casting time make less usefull the crit buff than fast aoe's with attack level, this same with most of old skill, thats why said if skills same slow with that cooldown then could be make worth to sue them not only spaming gush and phoenix and make half of skill aresenal useless and belive me if wizz get stuned/sealed with pyroshell then became more squishy than psy etc

but like said

back to subject original topic was made for restore the nuke skills
Example less boring than cleric only spam cycelon skill, but yes in damage per second still that will do more dmg than nuke skill because of casting, still make more colored the pvp, make viable again why worth to use 2 spark for ulties or why waste the time for defence debuffs like thundershock, udine, etc thats the main point of thread

Sevchenko - Dreamweaver · May 2014

Shadowvzss - Harshlands wrote: »

because u also talked about negative effect on black voodoo with minor 8/11 def level reduction then mentioned the pyroshell when black voodoo also switchable than pyroshell else leave wizz alot more survibility chance than psy but not like huge different at all at end game but still higher cooldown, casting time make less usefull the crit buff than fast aoe's with attack level, this same with most of old skill, thats why said if skills same slow with that cooldown then could be make worth to sue them not only spaming gush and phoenix and make half of skill aresenal useless and belive me if wizz get stuned/sealed with pyroshell then became more squishy than psy etc

but like said

Again you're trying to compare Wizards to psychics, giving psychics "the edge", if you like psychics better why did you make wizard in first place?

Edit: And no, a wizard with pyroshell is still more resistant than the psychic. What psychics got in their defense is a random seal to the attacker and a deflect damage, but they have 25 less pdef with black voodoo (on sage, which most psychics are)

Shadowvzss - Harshlands · May 2014

Sevchenko - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Again you're trying to compare Wizards to psychics, giving psychics "the edge", if you like psychics better why did you make wizard in first place?

maybe i replied to your post?

Sevchenko - Dreamweaver · May 2014

Shadowvzss - Harshlands wrote: »

maybe i replied to your post?

Not really, i try to show you how wizards are still playable and all but you insist on devaluing the class, showing its weakness and contrasting other classes strong spots. Maybe you should try mystic or psychic instead. Oh, and yes, I know how annoying the fact R9 can't be stashed is...

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · May 2014

Shadowvzss - Harshlands wrote: »

since mystic with non spark skill out dd cleric and wizard ulties also only pet do debuff not that debuff depend since got direct amplify for absorub soul not like other class.

I would like to know which of my pet have a debuff and what that have to do with AS??

Shadowvzss - Harshlands wrote: »

PvE - pre r9 or low refined r9 times, sage storm mistress deal with 1st spell 6k+ dmg, higher than me with tt99 and pretty spamable till have chi (so need infuse alot mana that right), with r9 i get good dmg right still out dd without problem cleric and wizzard and psy if i use mistress vs tiger boss
endgame, sage storm mystress damage not scaled that well, in pve viable but alot less good still better than nothing, most of damage source coming from base dmg so spammng fast cooldown and casting time skills most effective

Are you seriously comparing a R9 mystic to a TT99 wizz? Are you jealous that mystics have pets and not you? We don't have great 2 spark AOE that can one shot a bunch of people, do you see us complain about it? Mystic skills do way less damage than all other casters, what help us is the fast channeling of NV, psys out DD mystics all the way just saying (speaking equally geared, not comparing TT99 to R9 like you do).

Shadowvzss - Harshlands wrote: »

PvP - i don't say absorb soul superior or something but fact out dd in end game the most of weapon damage base skill like cleric and wizz ultis (well several factor here that right) - still highest damage dealer skill what cost no chi and with pot can do twice

Are you saying AS out DD wizz 2 spark AOES? If it's what you are saying then wow... you know AS cannot crit right? And to get his max damage we need to previously have done NV which in 75% of the case get purify by the other casters weapon so we need to do NV a few times, cause AS without NV is pretty much like a plume shot which won't kill anyone.

Shadowvzss - Harshlands wrote: »

cleric got paralyze and sleep mostly both have negative effect to cleric (not much but -40% pdef or speed still negative) until knockback vs melee and ticket is nasty or aoe seal, or aren't u played with your mystic?

Paralyze, sleep, Seal Of God, m.def debuff, p.def debuff and did you know that clerics can actually purify themself after using those skills? Plus demon doesn't have bad effect from paralyze and sleep just saying. A cleric can keep someone lock and debuff for the eternity if they want.

Haven't you saw the video where Yuyi (cleric) beat Synth (sin) in a 1v1? And do I need to say that Synth outgear Yuyi? I would love to see the mystic that would beat Synth cause according to you mystic>cleric. For having play both class I can tell you that at end game it's cleric>mystic. You really underestimate clerics.

You speak about ulti which I assume you mean the 2 spark AOEs and bring Thicket? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw Thicket kill someone? Thicket is mainly use to CC when we have the chi for it and want to do it from range, we basically have no 2 spark ulti AOE like wizz, heck prolly sure Tempest hit harder than Thicket. As sage mystic I would prefer have BT, Tempest or Parasitic Nova than Thicket as skill. When a mystic need a ''big'' AOE in PVE what he do is 3 spark, Lucky Break then GF.

Is it the moment I should bring Crapplord? 2 spark skill that get one shot in PVP and is useless in PVE cause I do more damage than him if I use the 2 spark on myself.

Shadowvzss - Harshlands · May 2014

Sevchenko - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Not really, i try to show you how wizards are still playable and all but you insist on devaluing the class, showing its weakness and contrasting other classes strong spots. Maybe you should try mystic or psychic instead. Oh, and yes, I know how annoying the fact R9 can't be stashed is...

-No-

i agree with nerfing spark 100%, no any word vs them because was op even was annoying disadvantage still annoying the game going to same style and old stuff not increased if u maybe can turn back to original 1st post where not that the point give wizzard 100 attack level or something like that, make nuke skills nuke skills again, make flat amplify to class what nerfed lineary like every normal debuff and don't became that op, boost few old skill with minor upgrades and amke them again usefull

(someone remember how many skill was usefull before everybody was "instant" lv100 with hyper? was alot variation and combination what made alot more fun)

Sevchenko - Dreamweaver · May 2014

Strange, I see your and XXHotXx ranting as a "We're not the most OP class anymore! That's wrong!" b:laugh

I confess, its funny how you both tend to conceal strong wizard spots and expose their weakness while exposing other classes strong assets and concealing their weak spots. b:laugh

Just for the record so you don't go saying wrong stuff: Best damage classes higher to lower: Psychic, Wizard, Cleric, Mystic, Venomancer.

Saying mystics and clerics out-dd wizards is laughable, as if they had anything comparable to a blade tempest which deals massive amount of physical damage to AA and LA users.

And, saying absorb soul is an OP skill is just as stupid: Its slow as ****, never crits, requires you to land a debuff to deal a decent amount of damage, does not get affected by amps like Extreme poison or heaven's flame.

Mystic's strongest hitting skills are Bramble tornado and storm dance, both single target and both as low as 250% weapon damage only.

Shadowvzss - Harshlands · May 2014

Sevchenko - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Strange, I see your and XXHotXx ranting as a "We're not the most OP class anymore! That's wrong!" b:laugh

i wrote that somewhere? coz no, i think you glad with your new primal skills, maybe others want usefull ones from most outdated skills

i said elimination dmg not opish vs ulties with that crit rate/rage dmg/base dmg multiplier? did i said that?

Saying mystics and clerics out-dd wizards is laughable, as if they had anything comparable to a blade tempest which deals massive amount of physical damage to AA and LA users.

maybe you can laugh, i don't really laugh when full buffed mystic take low dmg from tempest and deal same dmg back with absorb soul what not cost chi, well if this to you funny then good game but if no then what you talk about?
cleric isn't out dd? got same 15% crit skill without sacrifice anything and increase mattack with no cooldown skill, so in damage epr sec term isn't out dd wizz?

And, saying absorb soul is an OP skill is just as stupid: Its slow as ****, never crits, requires you to land a debuff to deal a decent amount of damage, does not get affected by amps like Extreme poison or heaven's flame.

right, could cast twice during 5 sec with pot?
why would crit:
1. based on base dmg what most important at late game not on weapon dmg with combo: Deals 125% of base magic damage plus 2270.0 x2
2. got something what comparable with mini boost: This attack cannot be a critical strike, but has a chance equal
to twice your Critical Rate of dealing 1.3 times as much damage.
3. yes not amplified by hf, but work from air and not reduced that much like ulties
4. slow that right but low cooldown let allow use twice and cost no 2 spark for simliar dmg

Mystic's strongest hitting skills are Absorb soul then Bramble tornado and storm dance, both single target and both as low as 250% weapon damage only.

and even if timed but only mystic can stack more same icon mattack buff with 3rd spark or i don't have right? right mystic good soloer in pvp but in gank i feel somehow more viable if u spam buff to yourself, example falling petal saved my life alot time when i was full buffed.

i don't say mystic op, never said, same cleric, barb and bm, but fact latest class got more rethinked skills(what more viable with later patch's), atleast few was updated like cleric dd side or bm/barb stun side and damage etc, so what your point?

Zoldi - Morai · May 2014

I often say that mystics are underestimated as DD but you have to consider that PVE and PVP are two different things. Talking about PVE a mystic with invigorate might outDD a wizard (if the wizard has not been buffed by the mystic). But in PVP, you have no invigorate, AS damage is less effective than in PVE, you don't have the "no reduction damage" for summons versus "?" bosses.
Thinking that a wizard do less magical damage than a mystic in PVP is actually kinda weird and would mean that wizzies are totally crappy in PVE.

Edit : you can say that mystics have a better survivabilty than wizards and you can even argue that mystics are more OP than wizzies, but you can't say they are better magical DD in PVP than wizzies especially in mass pvp when you compare AOE ulti to monotarget skills (even if triple spark + swirling mist is kinda OP)

Shadowvzss - Harshlands · May 2014

Zoldi - Morai wrote: »

I often say that mystics are underestimated as DD but you have to consider that PVE and PVP are two different things. Talking about PVE a mystic with invigorate might outDD a wizard (if the wizard has not been buffed by the mystic). But in PVP, you have no invigorate, AS damage is less effective than in PVE, you don't have the "no reduction damage" for summons versus "?" bosses.
Thinking that a wizard do less magical damage than a mystic in PVP is actually kinda weird and would mean that wizzies are totally crappy in PVE.

PvE
well the fact mystic without problem out dd both cleric and wizz and psy with fast skills+storm mistress and flower(debuff effect in pve) until they get r9 or gr16 so basically till they reach high base dmg, then other 3 class became alot better dd with primal,
-psy with base dmg and skill spams with black voodoo (what in pve lineary increase the dmg)
-wizzard with water chi allow a bit cast faster 3rd spark than mystic
-cleric with violet dance and primal skill with critical buff

i think still pet dmg good vs "?" boss, but i am not sure if enough for out dd others, maybe let to do similiar dmg (i talk about pve)

Edit : you can say that mystics have a better survivabilty than wizards and you can even argue that mystics are more OP than wizzies, but you can't say they are better magical DD in PVP than wizzies especially in mass pvp when you compare AOE ulti to monotarget skills (even if triple spark + swirling mist is kinda OP)

inever said to mystic the "op" title, coz that absolute not true, but that true AS still do more dmg than 2 spark ulti, well in that point u have right mystic isn't aoe, exclude in pve example PV
well in pvp i guess AS vs swirling mist a bit depend on target buffs aswell

ful buffed vs unbuffed i guess different story

XXHotXx - Morai · May 2014

blea i tried to explain my arguments reasonably seems the only replies i am getting are toxic \ biased \ personal attacks

i am out of this cancers-plagued forum

to sevchenko and the other trolls: you can say w.e. you want, you are non-factor and you will always be, you ll never reach endgame so stop replying to endgame arguments with toxic comments

in every post i read you are talking bullsh.t like you think you know everything about the game, but you just know nothing

i believe 90% of the toxics against debuffs rework, or skill rebalance for the debuff-user classes,
are non-debuffs users, private server heroes or **** like that

go plague other forums pls

and i am done

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · May 2014

Shadowvzss - Harshlands wrote: »

PvE
well the fact mystic without problem out dd both cleric and wizz and psy

Mystic doesn't out DD psy. b:bye

Shadowvzss - Harshlands · May 2014

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Mystic doesn't out DD psy. b:bye

correct woute said before psy reach higher base mattack, well i mean if talk in pve about boss's what got "?" where storm mistress do nice dmg with skill, more than mystic if u get less than 10k mattack atleast sage one, i dont remember to lv10, but how raising mystic damage pet damage still stay on same so when u got 20k base dmg still pet dmg is same this is curse on pet user class

pet awasome in mid game but end game dmg not scaled but i think this another topic how to scale this

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · May 2014

Shadowvzss - Harshlands wrote: »

correct woute said before psy reach higher base mattack, well i mean if talk in pve about boss's what got "?" where storm mistress do nice dmg with skill, more than mystic if u get less than 10k mattack atleast sage one, i dont remember to lv10, but how raising mystic damage pet damage still stay on same so when u got 20k base dmg still pet dmg is same this is curse on pet user class

pet awasome in mid game but end game dmg not scaled but i think this another topic how to scale this

No idea what you are saying right now, but I told Longknife to come post here once he's done laughing at your statement of mystic out DDing psy and wizz.

Shadowvzss - Harshlands · May 2014

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

No idea what you are saying right now, but I told Longknife to come post here once he's done laughing at your statement of mystic out DDing psy and wizz.

maybe because u didnt read the whole post even was with underline

t mystic without problem out dd both cleric and wizz and psy with fast skills+storm mistress and flower(debuff effect in pve) until they get r9 or gr16 so basically till they reach high base dmg, then other 3 class became alot better dd with primal

let me guess, longknives aren't running with 10-15k mattack?
but for u edited to bolded fonts in that post

simple reason pet dmg is fixed and not improved with your gear

Slivaf - Dreamweaver · May 2014

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

No idea what you are saying right now, but I told Longknife to come post here once he's done laughing at your statement of mystic out DDing psy and wizz.

I have noticed the same, her (or) his posts have been a bit... difficult to follow... not impossible, but still hard. (you know aside from different views of opinion)

Still I do believe I know what shadow means.

A mystics pet does full damage on ? bosses which essentially allow mystic's to out DD psys.

Still i'm not sure I agree with that, and it may even be the small part you were able to ascertain yourself without me even pointing it out.

Shadowvzss - Harshlands · May 2014

Slivaf - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I have noticed the same, her (or) his posts have been a bit... difficult to follow... not impossible, but still hard. (you know aside from different views of opinion)

Still I do believe I know what shadow means.

A mystics pet does full damage on ? bosses which essentially allow mystic's to out DD psys.

Still i'm not sure I agree with that, and it may even be the small part you were able to ascertain yourself without me even pointing it out.

yes but i also pointed out this work only till casters dont get primal and r9, the everything changeing since pet dmg not scaled by gear upgrade/refine etc

changeing because mattack compared with tt gear became atleast triple higher, casters get more skill dmg, high base dmg and faster skill (more chan on gear maybe or just faster skills like ex. cleric etc) and pet remain with same dmg, what i still don't know if mystic out dd the wizz with pet on boss but i doubt enough for out dd cleric and psy (not sure about wizz, well with udine i guess can't out dd but this not fact)

trands · May 2014

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

No idea what you are saying right now, but I told Longknife to come post here once he's done laughing at your statement of mystic out DDing psy and wizz.

Let's all mentally prepare for a post longer then this whole thread till now b:chuckle

Zoldi - Morai · May 2014

Shadowvzss - Harshlands wrote: »

well in pvp i guess AS vs swirling mist a bit depend on target buffs aswell ful buffed vs unbuffed i guess different story

Just to be sure that nobody got me wrong, when I was refering to triple spark + Swirling Mist, I didn't want to compare to AS or any other monotarget skill. But if there is a before and after New Horizons for mystic, then the best part (and game changing in PVP for mystics) is probably the fact that Swirling Mist is now an AOE (with no need to be as close as targets than with Gale Force). Triple spark + lucky break + Swirlist Mist is kinda effective from range in mass PVP and if you want to compare wizzies' ultis it should be with that. But the chi cost is really important...

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · May 2014

Shadowvzss - Harshlands wrote: »

yes but i also pointed out this work only till casters dont get primal and r9, the everything changeing since pet dmg not scaled by gear upgrade/refine etc

changeing because mattack compared with tt gear became atleast triple higher, casters get more skill dmg, high base dmg and faster skill (more chan on gear maybe or just faster skills like ex. cleric etc) and pet remain with same dmg

Once again you did prove that you don't know mystic, the damage of our pets IS going with our gears/refine just saying. Log your wife's mystic (cause clearly you doesn't have one), summon Mistress check her attack, remove all gears and resummon her, and check the attack again, OhMyGoshBBQ!!! the attack is not the same.

EDIT: Also the Mistress attack is affected by the genie skill Frenzy, if you summon her after you used Frenzy she will have more attack.

Shadowvzss - Harshlands · May 2014

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Once again you did prove that you don't know mystic, the damage of our pets IS going with our gears/refine just saying. Log your wife's mystic (cause clearly you doesn't have one), summon Mistress check her attack, remove all gears and resummon her, and check the attack again, OhMyGoshBBQ!!! the attack is not the same.

EDIT: Also the Mistress attack is affected by the genie skill Frenzy, if you summon her after you used Frenzy she will have more attack.

you have right, but u forget to say i must recall (OhMyGoshBBQ)

else i checked after weapon swap and stat was same and hit same on mob, only after recall the pet, work the new stat and dmg still for me it not look like lineary swap coz i swaped tt90 to ws+12 with 63 att lv and character damage was increased more then pet dmg in %, what prove isnt scaled well OhMyGoshBBQ

Sevchenko - Dreamweaver · May 2014

XXHotXx - Morai wrote: »

blea i tried to explain my arguments reasonably seems the only replies i am getting are toxic \ biased \ personal attacks

i am out of this cancers-plagued forum

to sevchenko and the other trolls: you can say w.e. you want, you are non-factor and you will always be, you ll never reach endgame so stop replying to endgame arguments with toxic comments

in every post i read you are talking bullsh.t like you think you know everything about the game, but you just know nothing

i believe 90% of the toxics against debuffs rework, or skill rebalance for the debuff-user classes,
are non-debuffs users, private server heroes or **** like that

go plague other forums pls

and i am done

I'm not attacking you nor I'm taking this personal. I'm just discussing a subject of everyone's interest and poiting out that: Things changed around here, get used to it.

TBH, feels amazing to **** you off, stressed out people tend to be less reasonable. b:pleased

I don't even have to point things out or make maths here to prove you wrong in your arguments. Like I said, yes maybe some skills do need reworking.

And I add:
- Perfect World is a bad designed/managed game. Not only by our fellow americans, but, most importantly for the developers that have no idea how their code even works.
2 - The devs probably don't follow a line, they don't know the point of balance in the game. They don't know if they put rock paper scissors or if should they balance towards 1v1/massive fights.
3 - Wizards was always the overlooked class.
5 - I skipped number 4 because its bad luck in china.
6 - I'm a debuff user, I don't play private servers, nice try.

If you suggested a defense % reduction rework to reduce damage according on damage dealt, hence 2 deliveries of 5k would deal less damage than 1 of 10k. I'd be much more inclined to agree.

Now "Make debuffs work on a global value" meaning 90% debuff brings down 50k defenses to 5k is fairly ridiculous, maybe you're playing either the wrong class or the wrong game.

Undine+Spark nerf was a necessary evil, replace spark with extreme poison and happy killing.

Shadowvzss - Harshlands · May 2014

Sevchenko - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'm not attacking you nor I'm taking this personal. I'm just discussing a subject of everyone's interest and poiting out that: Things changed around here, get used to it.

TBH, feels amazing to **** you off, stressed out people tend to be less reasonable. b:pleased

I don't even have to point things out or make maths here to prove you wrong in your arguments. Like I said, yes maybe some skills do need reworking.

And I add:
- Perfect World is a bad designed/managed game. Not only by our fellow americans, but, most importantly for the developers that have no idea how their code even works.
2 - The devs probably don't follow a line, they don't know the point of balance in the game. They don't know if they put rock paper scissors or if should they balance towards 1v1/massive fights.
3 - Wizards was always the overlooked class.
5 - I skipped number 4 because its bad luck in china.
6 - I'm a debuff user, I don't play private servers, nice try.

If you suggested a defense % reduction rework to reduce damage according on damage dealt, hence 2 deliveries of 5k would deal less damage than 1 of 10k. I'd be much more inclined to agree.

Now "Make debuffs work on a global value" meaning 90% debuff brings down 50k defenses to 5k is fairly ridiculous, maybe you're playing either the wrong class or the wrong game.

Undine+Spark nerf was a necessary evil, replace spark with extreme poison and happy killing.

sorry guys but that is different thread not this :P

opkossy · May 2014

Dear XXHotXx

You keep circumventing the filter in a majority of your posts. Stop doing that.

Sincerely, a mod.

@Everyone else: Try not to jump each others throats too much, mmkays?

Sevchenko - Dreamweaver · May 2014

Shadowvzss - Harshlands wrote: »

you have right, but u forget to say i must recall (OhMyGoshBBQ)
else i checked after weapon swap and stat was same and hit same on mob, only after recall the pet, work the new stat and dmg still for me it not look like lineary swap coz i swaped tt90 to ws+12 with 63 att lv and character damage was increased more then pet dmg in %, what prove isnt scaled well OhMyGoshBBQ

Storm Mistress is a skill, it's strength depends on what you're using when you summon her.

The attributes of mystics (and evolved venom pets) are based on caster's, in a %, these pets DO have Attack and Defense levels (just not shown in their menu) and this att def levels do depend on caster's (although, it is not 100% of casters Att/Def levels, more like 50/60%) And that's why when scaling gears we find that Mystic pets "doesn't scale well".

War avatars do also influence Evolved Pets & Summons attributes, from what I see.
As for "Having to re-summon" just summon it with the best weapon possible, pets don't actually have to switch gears.

Edit: This also leaves an open door for summoning a Chihyu for example with a R9R3 weapon so he has high damage and sometimes using R8R def level weapon without making Chihyu lose damage. This whole system also apply to Punishing Sting and Thicket

And something I didn't test: Rather venom evolved pets update on the go or if do you have to re-summon to update its status.

Shadowvzss - Harshlands · May 2014

Sevchenko - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Storm Mistress is a skill, it's strength depends on what you're using when you summon her.
I don't understand the point of saying "The pet attributes wont scale until re-summoned", as if someone made a full R9R3+12 gears from TT90 without logging out or having to re-summon that.

The attributes of mystics (and evolved venom pets) are based on caster's, in a %, these pets DO have Attack and Defense levels (just not shown in their menu) and this att def levels do depend on caster's (although, it is not 100% of casters Att/Def levels, more like 50/60%) And that's why when scaling gears we find that Mystic pets "doesn't scale well".

War avatars do also influence Evolved Pets & Summons attributes, from what I see.
As for "Having to re-summon" just summon it with the best weapon possible, pets don't actually have to switch gears.

i guess used incorrect work i think, well meant bolded part but anyway i checked then same time if def scaled aswell with caster pdef but seems that not scaled, maybe that the reason why would 1 hit a pet with most of class with 3rd but i guess defence harder to scale since dmg is linear but dmg reduction isn't.

btw edited 1st post added +1 skill what could be a bit change

Wizzard
Essential Sutra - instant cast - 2 spark - 6sec duration - no sage or demon effect
instant casting => 0.1 casting time, 0.1 channeling time
Reason: when we got lagg the instant skills sometimes work with delay (idk how everybody but i never played pw on any server where dont was minor lagg/delay) and happen often this when i use sutra (thats why i dont use when got more delay than useally): press sutra then fast a slow casting skill and result will be the slow skill already started to cast and sutra applied only 0.1sec after casting another skill, result is or wait till long skill going down and u left 3 sec or try fast pressing Escape (carefully coz if press more time then lose target)

Sevchenko - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Not really, i try to show you how wizards are still playable and all but you insist on devaluing the class, showing its weakness and contrasting other classes strong spots. Maybe you should try mystic or psychic instead. Oh, and yes, I know how annoying the fact R9 can't be stashed is...

how you try show how wizzard playable if you not play with it because seems boring or hard to you that the only thing what i don't understand

Change the casters skills to base damage based skills and sage/demon effects

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