Remove Purify Proc: Y/N. We had it coming!
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I say keep, if nerfing would come, i want the same on purge and zerk skills on others r9.
I get hit once by an archer and purged, thats worst than immunity
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Dragslave - Dreamweaver wrote: »I say keep, if nerfing would come, i want the same on purge and zerk skills on others r9.
I get hit once by an archer and purged, thats worst than immunity
So *** it, purify stays!!!
Just don't get hit. Any class can counter purge and zerk with their basic skill they learned at level 2-3x.. Only two class can counter purify for a very brief period of time using extremely expensive skills that doesn't always work.Zsw -104 Sage Assassin
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Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »Just don't get hit. Any class can counter purge and zerk with their basic skill they learned at level 2-3x..
Easier said than......done?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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____BM____ - Sanctuary wrote: »Oh yeah i know, my luck just seems to suck lol Whenever blade hurl does land without proc though you can guarentee if i have DD backup they are gunna die pretty damn quickly. Even in Tw many times with your wifey, her proc goes off, IG's up, then 12 secs later she will die so imo the proc isnt even a worry in mass pvp as even if they run away it's just like yeah whatever we will just kill you when bladehurl is off cd xD
People are just grumpy about it cos flag runners with purify can just press w and go win the match. This i disagree with but i also disagree with charger orbs being allowed but meh xD Learn to live with it b:laugh
My experience in Enely TW last season is that we were so outnumbered we stopped taking it seriously. Most of the time we'd explicitly state we were gonna go in, IG aoe, and splat the second the IG ended. Neither here nor there though.
People are complaining about casters being able to take the flag all the way there because we get purify proc. As BM states, with apoth it's possible to charger there. I've been trying to kill barbs who have got almost the entire way to the drop off without being out of antistun for more than a couple seconds, and bms running max speed the whole way there too. While apoth has a cooldown, so in a way it's less broken, these people can take off with the flag and unless you're in a position to intercept them you may not get a shot off the whole time, and even then they can run right by you, which kind of compensates.
Plus its super annoying when you charger and someone hits you with a normal attack a picosecond later and there goes the charger orb.xSonOfCircex-105/103/102 Sage Wiz
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Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »Easier said than......done?
Pretty easy to focus fire on the archers and keep them stun locked =/
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or better yet, you can always kite.Zsw -104 Sage Assassin
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Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »Pretty easy to focus fire on the archers and keep them stun locked =/
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or better yet, you can always kite.
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Don't care if it was removed or not. It is just another OP thing for people to take advantage/QQ about after the other multiple OP things in this game. As I said, procs on gear was a huge mistake to begin with, along with the attack and defense levels, this game needs a huge nerf, but the devs are too lazy to fix the game right, too many mmos they have and yet they don't fix glitches/etc.This game is fail-proof unless you are dumber than a donkey. ...Too bad a lot of players fall into that exact category. ~maocchi
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Sounds like a normal Tw for me b:cryb:laughXSonOfCircex - Sanctuary wrote: »My experience in Enely TW last season is that we were so outnumbered we stopped taking it seriously. Most of the time we'd explicitly state we were gonna go in, IG aoe, and splat the second the IG ended. Neither here nor there though.People are complaining about casters being able to take the flag all the way there because we get purify proc. As BM states, with apoth it's possible to charger there. I've been trying to kill barbs who have got almost the entire way to the drop off without being out of antistun for more than a couple seconds, and bms running max speed the whole way there too. While apoth has a cooldown, so in a way it's less broken, these people can take off with the flag and unless you're in a position to intercept them you may not get a shot off the whole time, and even then they can run right by you, which kind of compensates.
Plus its super annoying when you charger and someone hits you with a normal attack a picosecond later and there goes the charger orb.
In general the whole charger orb/purify speed whilst carrying the flag completely just iradicates the flag movement speed debuff so why they allowed it in the first place confuses me but hey, when have pwi done anything logically? b:chuckle0 -
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The way I'm reading this thread right now, all the little trolls and FC babies just keep on complaining about Purify proc because they've never had it on their side, and just want to find a way to cripple their enemies for their own gain.
Kniraven brings up a good point -- in the past, a lesser-geared player could, with skill, take out an OP-geared player. But now with Purify proc, it's much more about gears, and that's what everyone is crying about. That someone with the best gears can now easily beat someone with not-as-OP gears. That's what the SKILLED people call unfair.
As for me, I'd say it's only to be expected.
Let's look at it from another point of view. Is it fair to the OP-geared players that, after spending a hell of a lot of time, money, or both on their gear, they get beaten by people who haven't put in as much effort into getting their gear, purely because of skills? Personally? No, I don't think so.
If you want to be a famous, well-known player, you have either good gear or good skills. But if you want to be an elite player, the best-of-the-best, you have BOTH. Lower-geared players need to shut up, stop QQing, and get the gear to back up their skills to even the playing field for themselves, instead of shouting for the dev teams to take away their opponent's advantages. If you can't win in a fair fight, then don't bother fighting at all.0 -
Thrieya - Lost City wrote: »The way I'm reading this thread right now, all the little trolls and FC babies just keep on complaining about Purify proc because they've never had it on their side, and just want to find a way to cripple their enemies for their own gain.
Kniraven brings up a good point -- in the past, a lesser-geared player could, with skill, take out an OP-geared player. But now with Purify proc, it's much more about gears, and that's what everyone is crying about. That someone with the best gears can now easily beat someone with not-as-OP gears. That's what the SKILLED people call unfair.
As for me, I'd say it's only to be expected.
Let's look at it from another point of view. Is it fair to the OP-geared players that, after spending a hell of a lot of time, money, or both on their gear, they get beaten by people who haven't put in as much effort into getting their gear, purely because of skills? Personally? No, I don't think so.
If you want to be a famous, well-known player, you have either good gear or good skills. But if you want to be an elite player, the best-of-the-best, you have BOTH. Lower-geared players need to shut up, stop QQing, and get the gear to back up their skills to even the playing field for themselves, instead of shouting for the dev teams to take away their opponent's advantages. If you can't win in a fair fight, then don't bother fighting at all.
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All BS aside, I agree. Hell, I get stomped all the time in NW, but I can deal with it. I know that I'm still slowly getting funds for my r9, then I'll be the one spawning endless QQ'ers b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
WTF are you talking about?. Remove "Purify" from Cleric Skills?, are you mad?. It's like remove invisibility for assassins because they are noobs. Go to hell with this ideas, try to do Guarnob or Wyvern without purify skill, better remove vortex from seekers, well see how they will be reacted..
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xardiounium wrote: »WTF are you talking about?. Remove "Purify" from Cleric Skills?, are you mad?. It's like remove invisibility for assassins because they are noobs. Go to hell with this ideas, try to do Guarnob or Wyvern without purify skill, better remove vortex from seekers, well see how they will be reacted..
Madness.
Would that be the cause of all those "keep as it is" vote ? b:laugh0 -
Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »I think the biggest problem is that the effect has no cooldown.
Purify Spell is basically a combination of Wizard Arcane Defense and Archer Elven Alacrity.
Wizard Arcane Defense proc gives auto-purify and has a 25 second cooldown (passive buff).
Archer Elven Alacrity gives anti-stun / speed and has a 3 minute cooldown and takes 1 spark (active skill).
Purify Spell proc gives auto-purify / anti-stun / speed and has a 0 second cooldown... huh?
It probably should have around a 45 second cooldown. This would limit how well it can scale with multiple attackers while not effecting 1v1 ability too much.
This is the best and most balanced way to "nerf" Purify Spell.
As the skill stands now there is no cooldown and it can trigger several times in a row (Im unsure if the skill will refresh/stack with each proc) effectively negateing any type of focus fire or controle from a group.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
xardiounium wrote: »WTF are you talking about?. Remove "Purify" from Cleric Skills?, are you mad?. It's like remove invisibility for assassins because they are noobs. Go to hell with this ideas, try to do Guarnob or Wyvern without purify skill, better remove vortex from seekers, well see how they will be reacted..
Madness.
... not the skill... Read the thread it's about R9rrr casters weapon.Thrieya - Lost City wrote: »The way I'm reading this thread right now, all the little trolls and FC babies just keep on complaining about Purify proc because they've never had it on their side, and just want to find a way to cripple their enemies for their own gain.
Kniraven brings up a good point -- in the past, a lesser-geared player could, with skill, take out an OP-geared player. But now with Purify proc, it's much more about gears, and that's what everyone is crying about. That someone with the best gears can now easily beat someone with not-as-OP gears. That's what the SKILLED people call unfair.
As for me, I'd say it's only to be expected.
Let's look at it from another point of view. Is it fair to the OP-geared players that, after spending a hell of a lot of time, money, or both on their gear, they get beaten by people who haven't put in as much effort into getting their gear, purely because of skills? Personally? No, I don't think so.
If you want to be a famous, well-known player, you have either good gear or good skills. But if you want to be an elite player, the best-of-the-best, you have BOTH. Lower-geared players need to shut up, stop QQing, and get the gear to back up their skills to even the playing field for themselves, instead of shouting for the dev teams to take away their opponent's advantages. If you can't win in a fair fight, then don't bother fighting at all.
I do understand, I remember back in time TT99 was OP and considered as end game, well someone in TT80 or TT90 (or molds) was able to beat the end game TT99 if he was more skilled.
Right now it's about gears more then anything and not just for purify on R9rr, I could be the best mystic in the world I would not beat a fail R9rr+12 full jades archer if I don't have equal or similar gears.
That suck, but I doubt they do anything about it, cause to be honest I think it's too late.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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to be fair the gap btn tt99/90 is nowhere near as large as r9rr +12 jades vs tt99/r8/r9 with ''regular'' refines/shardXx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »...
I do understand, I remember back in time TT99 was OP and considered as end game, well someone in TT80 or TT90 (or molds) was able to beat the end game TT99 if he was more skilled.
Right now it's about gears more then anything and not just for purify on R9rr, I could be the best mystic in the world I would not beat a fail R9rr+12 full jades archer if I don't have equal or similar gears.
That suck, but I doubt they do anything about it, cause to be honest I think it's too late.0 -
A Skilled group of T3 and R9.3 people don't QQ about purify. It's not so hard to kill them unless u have +5 T1 things apsing Purify people. LEARN TO PLAY Noobs Purify weapon doesn't prevent anyone from seeing high numbers vs the right group of people.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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f:fan>>Godz! Now wouldn't it be funny if because of the way this threads arguments have been going on, that the (PROGz & DEVs) just added extra script to the {Pury~Proc} skill that made it also have an equal (5-8% chance) of misfiring, and doing the exact opposite that its normally supposed to do.....f:shock
I for one think it'd be funny to watch a flag runner get stuck with ULTRA~Snail Speed on occasion...f:poo
Not to mention what the consequences would be to them of gaining the other parts of what the (Anti-Pury) debuffs would do to them.......f:brick
Now that would be an interesting (compromise/modification) to the skill, what do you guys think about it as a possibility? (It'd be like the 4.0+ aps accuracy nerf)f:sneaky0 -
It really wouldn't be so overpowered if it acted like a purify...even if it kept the run speed...
...the anti stun after the purify is completely unnecessary for something labeled as "purify".[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] united we are to the unit of measuring the greatness!0 -
Make melee classes more powerful for our squishy butts. Most arcanes don't have an anti-stun, maybe nerf it a little bit, but if so, nerf GoF, purge, etc.0
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MistaBwanden - Sanctuary wrote: »Make melee classes more powerful for our squishy butts. Most arcanes don't have an anti-stun, maybe nerf it a little bit, but if so, nerf GoF, purge, etc.
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The speed buff is a bit too much, it gives too much advantage to ranged classes who cannot be stopped for a short duration, that way melees have sometimes no ways to kill their enemies if unable to kill them in one to three hits.0
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Thrieya - Lost City wrote: »Let's look at it from another point of view. Is it fair to the OP-geared players that, after spending a hell of a lot of time, money, or both on their gear, they get beaten by people who haven't put in as much effort into getting their gear, purely because of skills? Personally? No, I don't think so.
PWI is a game. A game by definition is A form of play or sport, esp. a competitive one played according to rules and decided by skill, strength, or luck.
Money does not come into play. So i would say it is rather fair.
The problem with purify proc is that the way its designed causes it to almost guarantee a victory, especially in NW. (e.g. the flag carrier getting constant procs due to a bunch of low levels attacking) Even though it is based off a chance, its design causes the chance of it activating to be very high. At the same time, there are only two rare skills in the game that can counter it. If people wanted to gamble off of very high chances of failure, they'd rather go to a casino.Zsw -104 Sage Assassin
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in sports the richer team can afford better training/diet and is usually better than a poorer opponent. would u expect a high school basketball/amateur player team to stand up against an NBA Lakers team?Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »PWI is a game. A game by definition is A form of play or sport, esp. a competitive one played according to rules and decided by skill, strength, or luck.
Money does not come into play. So i would say it is rather fair.0 -
all magic classes will say "keep it" ... so whats the point of this poll ?
and pwi wont change anything
i mean see how long we have unbalanced bramble and it still did not get changed
no one... absolutly no one in this game, be it developer or publisher has any interest in balancing this game0 -
Hannsel - Dreamweaver wrote: »in sports the richer team can afford better training/diet and is usually better than a poorer opponent. would u expect a high school basketball/amateur player team to stand up against an NBA Lakers team?
But in sports, you still have to actually participate in the training and dieting. You still have to actually make an effort to win. You can't just expect to win just because you have money.
And someone with poor training can still outperform someone with better training. Natural talent, or the guy with better training was slacking off, or whatever.
Training just makes you more skilled. Your just gaining more skill. You can still become more skilled without the money.
It would be like someone paying you to teach them how to PvP for example. Except no one actually does that since they can pay for gears instead here.Zsw -104 Sage Assassin
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All I'd settle for is a reduced proc rate. I love the idea of having it, but it happens way too often...It is said that apple pie is best served Al La Mode, so if you are the pie, consider me your ice cream.0
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