Are archers really so op in pvp

ado1989
ado1989 Posts: 0 Arc User
edited April 2013 in Archer
today i was in nw with my sin, and i saw a r9 archer.
Half of my nation was trying to kill him, but he was just 1 shoting everyone around and runing away.
Even few r9 3 recast sin couldnt kill him.
Couldnt see his name and gear, but that was really op.
He hit me for 31k critical wtf, and i had buffs, 30 def lvl, and 7k phy def.
Post edited by ado1989 on
«134

Comments

  • Iyania - Heavens Tear
    Iyania - Heavens Tear Posts: 612 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    ado1989 wrote: »
    today i was in nw with my sin, and i saw a r9 archer.
    Half of my nation was trying to kill him, but he was just 1 shoting everyone around and runing away.
    Even few r9 3 recast sin couldnt kill him.
    Couldnt see his name and gear, but that was really op.
    He hit me for 31k critical wtf, and i had buffs, 30 def lvl, and 7k phy def.

    7K pdef is nothing. Anything S3 can hit you for that much when you only have 7k pdef.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Anatidaephobia - The Fear That You are Being Watched by a Duck
  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    especially if you're a seeker which by the 30 def level you have says you are.
    >.>
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    youtube.com/bhavenmurji
    pwcalc.com/65816fd7725681e1
  • Iyania - Heavens Tear
    Iyania - Heavens Tear Posts: 612 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide wrote: »
    especially if you're a seeker which by the 30 def level you have says you are.
    >.>

    He's a sin. He said he's NWing from a sin.

    Anyway, what you're looking at is OPness in gear. Archers are far from OP.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Anatidaephobia - The Fear That You are Being Watched by a Duck
  • Fissile - Archosaur
    Fissile - Archosaur Posts: 607 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    b:surrender I have 15k hp, 54 defense levels, and 20k physical defense (buffed) and I sometimes get 1 shot by archers too (r9s3 + 12 full DoT archers).
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Iyania - Heavens Tear
    Iyania - Heavens Tear Posts: 612 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Fissile - Archosaur wrote: »
    b:surrender I have 15k hp, 54 defense levels, and 20k physical defense (buffed) and I sometimes get 1 shot by archers too (r9s3 + 12 full DoT archers).

    I've never hit 15K on a target that has 20K pdef. If an archer oneshot you, s/he purged you first.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Anatidaephobia - The Fear That You are Being Watched by a Duck
  • Fissile - Archosaur
    Fissile - Archosaur Posts: 607 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Iyania - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I've never hit 15K on a target that has 20K pdef. If an archer oneshot you, s/he purged you first.

    Last time it happened was in the tournament event. I teleported into the last room and I was dead before I ever even saw the room on screen. Damage log showed a single 16.5k hit. I may have been debuffed by someone first but I never got a chance to see what actually happened.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • bolocactu
    bolocactu Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Fissile - Archosaur wrote: »
    Last time it happened was in the tournament event. I teleported into the last room and I was dead before I ever even saw the room on screen. Damage log showed a single 16.5k hit. I may have been debuffed by someone first but I never got a chance to see what actually happened.

    I hit 4k on a psychic when I was lvl 56 crit+gemini slash+spark. Archers are not op.
    I might be black
  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Iyania - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I've never hit 15K on a target that has 20K pdef. If an archer oneshot you, s/he purged you first.

    Yea same here, and I am full DoT +12...
    Proving that not only archers do math since 2009. b:victory
    Current math challenge: pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1029711&page=45
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    "Any skills that can be used to kill you will interrupt BB when successful." -truekossy | "...Sage archers are kind of like Mac owners. They are proud of the weirdest and most unnecessary things." -Aesthor | "We ALL know Jesus doesn't play PWI. He may have suffered a lot for humanity, but he'd NEVER punish himself this way." -Abstractive | "I approve of bananas." -SashaGray
  • Iyania - Heavens Tear
    Iyania - Heavens Tear Posts: 612 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Fissile - Archosaur wrote: »
    Last time it happened was in the tournament event. I teleported into the last room and I was dead before I ever even saw the room on screen. Damage log showed a single 16.5k hit. I may have been debuffed by someone first but I never got a chance to see what actually happened.

    Even if you don't trust my word for it (and I admit there's not a lot of reason to), if you simply do the math, you'll find that it's impossible without a purge (or without a nice stack of amps, but even with amps I have my doubts).

    So I'm fairly sure that the part you didn't actually see happening was you getting pwned by a purge.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Anatidaephobia - The Fear That You are Being Watched by a Duck
  • Flamespirit - Dreamweaver
    Flamespirit - Dreamweaver Posts: 337 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    The thing that makes archers op is not that they kill you in one shot, but that they hit you with stun/quickshot and or they windshield genie and just auto shoot you to death very quickly. Granted I'm not a josd wizzy but I am r93 and I do have like 17k life and about 18k psy def in nw, but a lot of archers seem to kill me before I can get a spell cast. With their range, you sorta have to sneak up on them and hit them first. I hate archers almost as much as I hate venos and their purge. They should both always be KOS in nw or tw.
  • Walpurga - Dreamweaver
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,028 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    archers...are like ranged sins

    With purge

    and not as squishy
    Channels

    youtube .com/user/WallyPWS Active

    youtube .com/user/tehnewblife Semi Inactive
  • bolocactu
    bolocactu Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    archers...are like ranged sins

    With purge

    and not as squishy

    No no no. Archers are archers. They were out before assassins. Archers are a ranged dd class. They barely have skills like assassins.
    I might be black
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    archers...are like ranged sins

    With purge

    and not as squishy

    Sins have some of the best defensive skills in the game. The only people who claim sins are squishy are the bad ones still wearing +2 TT99 armor.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Refining Simulator - aster.ohmydays.net/pw/refiningsimulator.html (don't use IE)
    Genie Calculator - aster.ohmydays.net/pw/geniecalculator.html - (don't use IE)
    Socket Calculator - aster.ohmydays.net/pw/socketcalculator.html
  • soundslegit
    soundslegit Posts: 472 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    If this is a QQ about archers thread then I think the archer leaps need to be removed. Part of the original balance was that archers do massive range damage but it gets halved on most skills at close range. But now you can't get close to them so the balance is gone.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Sins have some of the best defensive skills in the game. The only people who claim sins are squishy are the bad ones still wearing +2 TT99 armor.

    ^this

    Just to add to the mix, archers don't hit me anywhere near 16k.. full +12 r9rr generally crit me in the 3-5k range if I'm self buffed (18k pdef, 84 def level).. perhaps with a triple spark and purge they could hit somewhere near 16k, but I kinda doubt it. Could probably test I guess, maybe I'll do that later :P
    Youtube Channel: youtube.com/user/D2VeT/videos?flow=grid&view=0
    Current gear: pwcalc.com/6ab2893fbfb080a8
    [SIGPIC]http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=684hgk&s=5[/SIGPIC]
  • Kniraven - Lost City
    Kniraven - Lost City Posts: 2,620 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Iyania - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Even if you don't trust my word for it (and I admit there's not a lot of reason to), if you simply do the math, you'll find that it's impossible without a purge (or without a nice stack of amps, but even with amps I have my doubts).

    So I'm fairly sure that the part you didn't actually see happening was you getting pwned by a purge.

    When archers purge, the purge procs before damage calculation, so the OP very well could have been oneshot at full buffs
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »
    When archers purge, the purge procs before damage calculation, so the OP very well could have been oneshot at full buffs

    Youtube Channel: youtube.com/user/D2VeT/videos?flow=grid&view=0
    Current gear: pwcalc.com/6ab2893fbfb080a8
    [SIGPIC]http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=684hgk&s=5[/SIGPIC]
  • Dylena - Raging Tide
    Dylena - Raging Tide Posts: 1,416 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Sins have some of the best defensive skills in the game. The only people who claim sins are squishy are the bad ones still wearing +2 TT99 armor.

    I finally found someone that agrees with me.


    As a full DoT archer +11/+12 I can barely kill anything R999 anymore with my little damage and purify when all they need to do is look at me and I have to start kiting from their tripled damage on me.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Kniraven - Lost City
    Kniraven - Lost City Posts: 2,620 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

    Well true, but as far as the player can see it appears as though they have. Also in the OPs defense, i have more trouble with archers than any other class.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Iyania - Heavens Tear
    Iyania - Heavens Tear Posts: 612 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »
    When archers purge, the purge procs before damage calculation, so the OP very well could have been oneshot at full buffs

    If the purge proc'd then the target was purged and did not have 20K pdef. I don't see why I have to explain something like this.

    None of the BMs I respect on my server have a problem with archers unless it's them trying to kill something else while an archer is free-shooting them from somewhere else, in which case just about anything else with range would be similarly annoying.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Anatidaephobia - The Fear That You are Being Watched by a Duck
  • Kniraven - Lost City
    Kniraven - Lost City Posts: 2,620 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Iyania - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    If the purge proc'd then the target was purged and did not have 20K pdef. I don't see why I have to explain something like this.

    None of the BMs I respect on my server have a problem with archers unless it's them trying to kill something else while an archer is free-shooting them from somewhere else, in which case just about anything else with range would be similarly annoying.

    Idk why you're explaining it either, i agreed with him. All i said was that it appears as a 1 shot with full buffs, no discernable visual difference.

    And yeah, in a 1vs1 archers are meh. But in group pvp it's an entirely different story. They have a mix of phy and magical attacks with the highest p atk in game, second highest crit rate, and the longest range. If they aren't shut down immediately they can kill anyone.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Horosho - Lost City
    Horosho - Lost City Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Archers are OP yeah if you have literally end-game gear.
    ...
  • Cody__Tylor - Heavens Tear
    Cody__Tylor - Heavens Tear Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Horosho - Lost City wrote: »
    Archers are OP yeah if you have literally end-game gear.

    That goes for every class... Especially a caster with purify proc...
    This game is fail-proof unless you are dumber than a donkey. ...Too bad a lot of players fall into that exact category. ~maocchi

    Level 81 HA/APS Fox, Level 75 VIT/defense tiger, Level 56 VIT/APS Seeker, Level 54 Dual sword BM, Level 36 assassin, Level 38 Archer, level 32 Priestess, level 41 Wizard on this account. HT~

    LVL 24 Mystic~LC
  • Xainou - Sanctuary
    Xainou - Sanctuary Posts: 5,369 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    If those sins can't kill it, you must be doing something wrong... b:shocked
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    Licensed tail brusher of ƙɑƙʊɱɑʊ ~ only the fluffiest
    Outrunning centaurs since 2012~
  • bolocactu
    bolocactu Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    If those sins can't kill it, you must be doing something wrong... b:shocked

    Only seekers and barbies can kill archers. Spoder Man is the legendary ssj seeker. Barbies are fail barbs.
    I might be black
  • Cody__Tylor - Heavens Tear
    Cody__Tylor - Heavens Tear Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    bolocactu wrote: »
    Only seekers and barbies can kill archers. Spoder Man is the legendary ssj seeker. Barbies are fail barbs.

    I have been whooping archers on my BM (with a huge advantage against me too) when I was playing as him, so not true >.>
    This game is fail-proof unless you are dumber than a donkey. ...Too bad a lot of players fall into that exact category. ~maocchi

    Level 81 HA/APS Fox, Level 75 VIT/defense tiger, Level 56 VIT/APS Seeker, Level 54 Dual sword BM, Level 36 assassin, Level 38 Archer, level 32 Priestess, level 41 Wizard on this account. HT~

    LVL 24 Mystic~LC
  • bolocactu
    bolocactu Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Cody__Tylor - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I have been whooping archers on my BM (with a huge advantage against me too) when I was playing as him, so not true >.>

    Archers are not OP. All you have to do is get close to them then stun/paralyze and attack them.
    I might be black
  • soundslegit
    soundslegit Posts: 472 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    bolocactu wrote: »
    Archers are not OP. All you have to do is get close to them then stun/paralyze and attack them.

    If you only play against archers under 100 getting close to them isn't that hard. But even lowbie archers benefit from playing the class with the best anti stuns.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • bolocactu
    bolocactu Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    soundslegit wrote: »
    If you only play against archers under 100 getting close to them isn't that hard. But even lowbie archers benefit from playing the class with the best anti stuns.

    No one can beat my archer. I am a boss on seeker and archer.
    I might be black
  • Sint - Harshlands
    Sint - Harshlands Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »
    Idk why you're explaining it either, i agreed with him. All i said was that it appears as a 1 shot with full buffs, no discernable visual difference.

    And yeah, in a 1vs1 archers are meh. But in group pvp it's an entirely different story. They have a mix of phy and magical attacks with the highest p atk in game, second highest crit rate, and the longest range. If they aren't shut down immediately they can kill anyone.

    Archers don't have the highest Patk in game, what the **** are you talking about? Archers have worse PDMG at endgame than anything that doesn't wear Arcane armor, unless you want to go around popping Sage Take Aim on everyone, in which case you'd still be hitting less than anyone who can zerk.
    Horosho - Lost City wrote: »
    Archers are OP yeah if you have literally end-game gear.

    Archers are OP if you're the only one with literally endgame gear.

Categories