From the 10 class which one is the most OP (PVP)

NigeIus - Dreamweaver

first, i am not tim, i am nigelus. LOL
what i would do is not being that egocentric and think b4 talk. u clearly understood my point. but then in other posts i am sure i will read u saying u are the best of teh best and blablablablablablabla. thats couse u are too egocentric with what u got. and what u got isnt the best u can get. thats my point.

well crittycat was the sin r9rr i fought yesterday and started to say i were fail bm couse i kite his spark LOL..sooo who is the fail?the sin that expect that a r9 bm stand there to get killed or him that took one silver charm of me to kil me? being him r9rr +12 and me r9? u c thats my point, ppl think they are very good and call others fails when they actually fail. and i c u doing that mistake. u stated many things that yeah some are rights but others arent.

relax, play the game and try to turn down the ego.

ps: look here who is asking for buffs :P dude really calm down, ur ego is blinding u.

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Way too much stuff that Zanryu really didn't like reading through.

Aeliah

The general point I'm seeing is that other classes are better and Clerics required skill to play and the ability to run out an opponent's resources. See, that's the thing though, that's exactly what PvP for any class is now if they want to be successful (aside from certain classes vs certain gearsets). As a BM I still have to run my opponent's genie out and conserve chi to pull off a stunlock in order to land a kill. If my opponent Fortifies mid lock, Expels mid lock, or AD's mid lock then they can get away. I have to provoke them into wasting it by going on an offensive but not burning all my chi. Keep them semi locked down so they have to use it. Or get them to go on the offensive and burn their genie on me trying to kill me. The class tactics are different but the concept is the same, player skill is needed and burning the opponent's resources is key.

Sins are an unfair comparison because when they were released they were the most OP class in the game, this is common knowledge. Comparing them to any other class will yield the same results, the other classes will be inferior in terms of PvP ability up until the point of R9 release and people started sharding refining their sets.

It's implied from your post that you believe needing skill to play makes a class worse than others, but the thing is that up until that point where you horribly outgear someone EVERY class requires some skill to play properly, some more than others.

andreemartinss

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Yes and... no. See, here's the thing. A one-liner statement, made by a person who brings no qualifications to the table, which is oozing with spelling and grammatical errors, and which is also WRONG, irks me quite a bit. Given that the person in question either doesn't have a character high lvl enough to use an avatar, or purposely chose to use a no-name avatar, they, in my mind, deserve to be treated like the nub they appear to be.

A psychic will always resist a kill from somebody else, when that somebody else has to use a lot of hits to kill. That is, unless you use will surge, which is tricky, because you really need to save the genie for fortify sometimes. Basically, if I have to hit an endgame psychic more than 4 times in a row to kill them, me getting sealed is practically inevitable. Not to mention, if they have empowered vigor on, 4 hits will be longer than 6 seconds, and their charm will have ticked anyways. The most efficient way is really to one-shot them. Fortunately, because of their low base physical defense, they are able to be one-shot in a way that I simply can't do to other clerics, mystics, venomancers, or wizards. And fortunately, due to the fact that I can use healing debuffs to nudge down a psychics hp to half and then sleep them, setting up the one-shot opportunity is very easy. Once I have the psychic placed into seal of the gods, there is no switching from the voodoo either.

A good psychic will, of course, switch voodoos if they see me spark and I haven't got them slept or sealed. However I will say I enjoy toying with some psy who start their fight in white voodoo, which I realize to be pointless, and use soul of stunning. I can take a few approaches to making them switch to black; either I ironheart myself a few times, pop 79 shield, and hit them on purpose, which will cause them to switch, or I can hit them right away on purpose anyways, watch for them to switch, use belief and toss a seal of the gods onto them and start my offensive instead.

i can't really understand why are you a dck.
Your a cleric so you just wanna hear the words ''clerics are op''. ( clerics , lol )
c'on just have some fun time with your X class and be happy
and btw nice ego

taringa181

last week nws i found myself in a situation where my r9r2 full josd archer was in a fight vs 5-6ppl... low refined r9r3s bms other useless tt-fc-vana aps noobs and a r9r3 josd +11 cleric...
well ofc all went dding on me cleric included results:
all died cept cleric that: froze sage sparked me and i just 3spark heart of steel it back and he had to IG kite or i killed him aswell i dont remember exactly but i survived...

c what happens when the cleric goes dd instead of heal? team bash

SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver

Just my 2 cents, with the morai update clerics got a huge increase in their pvp ability. There is no arguing that before this clerics couldn't pk as they could however as mentioned fighting vs similar geared or better better was extremely difficult.

If anyone has had the chance to have a constructive discussion with Aeliah then you would know that he is more than capable with any toon he plays and is able to come up with a pretty convincing strategy for most classes/situations.

The is no doubt that on DW he is the top cleric. This is certainly increased by having the top gear but I also personally think there are not many other pk minded clerics that share the skill and the timing he has.

If people still want to underestimate clerics then go ahead. What I don't understand is why people are qqing over his ego so much now for a cleric, when almost all other classes have had multiple "OP" people say how good they are for the last couple of years.

Things have changed, clerics can play offensively, they can kill people and can be OP at end game gear. Everyone can get off their high horses and stop the ********.

Haila - Sanctuary

Archers & sins are most OP, they are in every corner of the streets b:nosebleed

Aeliah - Dreamweaver

Woo replies all over the place, lol. Need to summarize a few things here. Here are few things I believe.

1) pre-morai, clerics struggled offensively to kill equally-geared, equally-skilled players. Enough of the 'if you had enough skill' ****, that means the CLASS had quite a few LIMITATIONS. Every class has some limitations, clerics had a lot of them. OK.

2) post-morai, clerics are an extremely powerful 1vs1 offensive force. Equally-skilled, equally-geared, I'd say the CLASS has FAR FEWER LIMITATIONS. To say that they now have fewer limitations is self-reinforcing to the statement above, where I state that clerics had a number of offensive limitations.

3) skill or gear or whatever you want to call it, I want to see more pk and fighting that challenges me. If making you think I have an ego is what it takes, so be it. I will say though, that on the pk battleground you'll find me respectful (no trash talking), fair as possible (no rez-killing, I always cleric-buff the person I'm fighting too if there are gear differences, and even rez them if they want one), and I say gf win or lose.

4) I'm looking to convince people that clerics are enough of a threat to take seriously. Its boring fighting people who never bother to modify their genie's or tactics, such that I win without needing to use many of the trick or strategies I'd like to try. The best wins are the ones that are the hardest pull off. But as you've no doubt experienced, people do NOT take clerics seriously. I'd love to see more people realizing how the morai skills changed clerics, gearing up clerics, forcing people to adapt their genies.

Look. I love a challenge. When I started cleric, with a mind for pk, I knew that, given the class limitations, I would have to be more skilled than my opponents to succeed. With these inherent limitations, I could easily find challenging fights; typically fighting assassins and archers was the hardest it got.

Now, things have changed. Clerics are not weak on the offense anymore. They are strong, very strong, in 1vs1, while having lost none of their supportive abilities in groups. Also, my gear is much better than most people's, though still quite a ways from being maxed. Given this, challenges are much more difficult to find. This is disappointing to me, and I'd like to rectify this. You know the story: a person plays a game, gets good at it, gets bored, leaves. They get bored when there are no more challenges. I know that there are skilled players out there who can provide me with the challenges I seek. Now I'd like to see some of them step up to the plate, so to speak.

Nig, have you ever seen me trash talk like Critty? I think not. Zan, I've stated that I never thought you were unskilled. You probably chose cleric for the same reason I did; beating people from the class that needs the most skill to pull of victories from. Great rush, right? taringa, a cleric sparking against you when you aren't slept is foolish in the extreme; great way to waste chi and give opponent oodles of time to react. I'd probably place seal of gods onto you, stack max debuffs, and watch you die nearly instantly after the 15 seconds were over (with, as you say, 5-6 people attacking you, likelihood of being stunned near the end of 15 seconds is rather high, leading to quick demise).

So far fighting with my cleric I've met with success after success. If you think I have an ego, don't talk about it, beat me. Sure, I'll issue a challenge, why not. Fight me on my cleric and prove me *wrong*. We can even tweak the odds in your favor if you want. I won't mind win or lose, because at least then I'll get some fun...

There. Unless extremely provoked to do so, I have nothing further to say on this thread. Money where your mouth is, folks!

Aeliah

NigeIus - Dreamweaver

aeliah i though u got my point i guess not.
to those who said clerics arent a thread thats bs. clerics are the best tanks, if u know what i mean. thing is, as it was stated b4, not many players built a cleric as they built other toons.

Zsw - Dreamweaver

Well, this thread certainly gone off topic.
Besides, why get people to believe that your class is op? Just makes people troll you more.

Sins underpowered.
No good ranged attacks.
Only 2 good aoes while almost every other class have more.
Rely too much on zerk crits.
Lowest min-max attack range out of all classes.
Doesn't have purify.
Only 1 spammable stun, and it cost 2 sparks.
Need 6 sparks to kill people end game.
Only class that cannot see stealthed 105 sins and archers.
Weak to both magic and physical damage compared to HA and AA classes, but must melee.

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When you focus on a specific point, any class can seem OP/UP. Instead they must be looked from a variety of angles.

Sylvae - Sanctuary

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Bm pulls you towards himself -> use fortify on genie, walk out of his (practically inevitable) stun; if plume shell is in and its fresh, consider doing nothing and break bms stun lock when fortify is ready later, or if you just want to save genie; if by pulling you bm brought you into group of enemies, ad while in the process of being pulled, so you can walk out of the stun and the subsequent dmg

I prefer in air usually, and Rushing me without a flyer drops him anyways. If he was in air as well, I would like to soak some damage up with plume to boost score a bit for the lower geared people.

AD on BT is for their stun duration, and the time for BT to start, and the frequency it's damage hits. First half of the stun you can get ready, then click AD. Leaves 3 seconds of Roar stun left, and BT is harmless. Use remaining AD time by jumping up and away and flying out of there, or dropping. Though BMs usually don't BT in air, lack of targets. Would need speed skill to get out on ground, since they usually cloudsprint BT, and with the cost of Expel even you'd need a near 200 Stamina genie.

Jumping in the air you're still counted as on the ground, so the barb using his aero killer won't do much. Only if wings are popped would it matter. No wings = still on ground. And only seen it even used less than once per NW. Usually when they are pissed off at something I did, and leaving them behind.

On the archer thing, they don't Galvanic. They have a whole thread going about it. And most of the posters are from Sanc. And in the rare case they are in a 1 v 1, they use the chi for something else. So I'll use the approach I use for fighting unicorns: wait for them to exist.

SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver

NigeIus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

aeliah i though u got my point i guess not.
to those who said clerics arent a thread thats bs. clerics are the best tanks, if u know what i mean. thing is, as it was stated b4, not many players built a cleric as they built other toons.

I completely agree with this point, clerics aren't seen to be very good because most are still running around with r8 and low refines. Very few have geared up a cleric compared to all the other+12 r9 JoSD psys/archers/wiz/bm etc etc etc

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

Actually when I started my Cleric I had no interest in PvP, it was the class that interested me the most. As time went on I grew to really enjoy it, and eventually started to PvP with a good friend of mine. If not for her I probably would have never really tried it and it's entirely possible we wouldn't be having this discussion.

In any case, it's true we lacked offensive power back then and in order to compensate strategy was needed. The point I'm trying to make is that just because other classes are easier to use shouldn't be relevant to whether or not Clerics are a good class for PvP, because the ability to land kills will ultimately come down to player skill if the gear is similar, regardless of class. The exception being if you're fighting a class that's just flat out better, such as Assassins when they were released.

If people don't think Clerics are a threat then that's their problem really, they'll grow to learn it at some point. The only reason to believe they're not strong is if you know very little about the game or lack the ability to adapt, and you won't get the fights you're looking for from people like that.

Now, at this point, I think I'm done replying as well unless provoked into it. Your walls of text are too powerful and I cannot handle them.

Sylvae - Sanctuary

Chances are clerics won't ever be perceived to be threats, and NW isn't going to help that.

Most clerics have just always thought they couldn't PK, or simply don't want to. They also often lack damage from being VIT build. However, they do want those supply tokens.

So even with the few odd clerics coming off as strong, they will be outnumbered by the people who don't PvP popping in to farm some tokens. And with such a small amount, they will attribute it to the gear level, as opposed to the actual class.

Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver

Sylvae - Sanctuary wrote: »

Chances are clerics won't ever be perceived to be threats, and NW isn't going to help that.

Most clerics have just always thought they couldn't PK, or simply don't want to. They also often lack damage from being VIT build. However, they do want those supply tokens.

So even with the few odd clerics coming off as strong, they will be outnumbered by the people who don't PvP popping in to farm some tokens. And with such a small amount, they will attribute it to the gear level, as opposed to the actual class.

I KoS clerics as the greatest threats in NW, because of healing their teammates and disbalancing the number of people on each side just by healing their allies and undoing all damage done. R9R3 is bad as it is....R9R3+being support healed by a cleric=unstoppable.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Never saw so many walls of text. xD

IHaxJoo - Raging Tide

Anyone who is not a seeker(90% of pwi playerbase) voted for seeker being OP lol

mogwai

This poll is far too vague to be conclusive.

Archers being ranked 2nd in this poll shows me how they are driven to reach R9 status out of necessity to be competitive. Seekers go R9 for other reasons.

Anjin_fujiko - Sanctuary

b:laugh

The real OP class are as follow
1. Visa
2. Master Card
3. Amex
4. Discover
5. Cash
b:laugh

ArmaTank - Dreamweaver

Seems like some one is looking for praises.. If your good your good who really cares..It's suppose to be about playing to have fun not to make a point.Cause we all know each class has their advantages over other classes,seems like people forget about that.. Stop letting the game make your head swell cause at the end of the day is only a game, relax an have fun playing

Banndit - Heavens Tear

Half guessing but imo, archers only seem op because they get to atk first, with more luck of do higher crit, but thats only the case now because badges are hard to come by. The thing that should be taken into consideration is that, archers 3-4 months from now may have less ability to up their def compared HA and AA class. They are prob the squashiest class end game with every possibility taken into account and the thing is, the fights may last longer end game which majority of us aren't any where neared. Its not going to be 1 or 2 shot and you win.

Cleric should not be underestimated. I go after them first then archers/sins 2nd in nw. They don't just heal. Their buff makes things pretty hard sometime.

Sins are underestimated imo. Working in groups, they can help win battles more then half the class probably. Solo, most are currently 1/2 shot for alot of class.

Psychic while i usually avoid them, I think they might be overestimated because of their silence. They could be easier to kill then we realised.

Seekers alot of them are obviously hard to kill. I've been 1 shot by few at the start but, but they seem to naturally get ganged on :P

Mystic I think is the most underestimated class. Their constant damage output are only 2nd to wiz for the magic attack class although I'm not really familiar with Wiz class, but it seems that they don't need spark to do massive damage like other class. They can stun, sleep, do high damage without spark, increase crit and their aoe not to mention. End game when they have raised their def, I'm guessing they are not just hard to kill but do suprisingly alot of damage.

Dylena - Raging Tide

50 people voted for archer, 50 people are either undergeared or don't know what the hell they're talking about. Endgame archers are one of the weakest class on this game against equally geared players. b:shutup