FC Glitch Update

Picexplorer - Heavens Tear

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

How is that fair when anyone else could've legitimately made it to at least 103 in the months since the glitch?

Who cares:l
First of all, no one told them to glitch or abuse this game. Also, it was officially announced that it was a bannable offense.
and if we do think it your way, then let me say,
do not delevel those low lifers, instead level those 'fair players' to 105, who were waiting for you glitchers to get ban instead of glitching with youb:angry

Picexplorer - Heavens Tear

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

How is this anywhere close to a gold glitch...

Thats why i said more or less......Gold glitch could only had a dig on pwi's financial condition and it would have broke this game if they would have allowed it.
Goon glitch is a bannable offense as it was said by officials here, and i did not ask for perma banning over here. All i asked is to give a true punishment like deleveling etc....

why i get a feeling that you have also glitched goons quilee

Picexplorer - Heavens Tear

Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »

To summerize things.....

-The ban is about 7 days long, apparently.

-They banned the "worst offenders." We have no definition of that.

-They randomly banned a few players, that's all from what it seems like.

-All 7 pages of the ranking page have nothing but Lv. 105ers......still.

tht bold word sounds more like l0b:thanksSers

Quilue - Sanctuary

Why do I get the feeling that you're ****?

This glitch was nowhere close to the impact that the gold glitch had. Exp was already completely worthless with Hyper FCC anyway. I'm pretty sure PWI wouldn't even have given a damn if people didn't QQ so much. I'm pretty sure PWI still doesn't give a damn.

Picexplorer - Heavens Tear

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Why do I get the feeling that you're ****?

This glitch was nowhere close to the impact that the gold glitch had. Exp was already completely worthless with Hyper FCC anyway. I'm pretty sure PWI wouldn't even have given a damn if people didn't QQ so much. I'm pretty sure PWI still doesn't give a damn.

Defend your lil group of 105ers as much as you want but the fact remains as u said 'pwi doesnt give a damn' and all 105ers got away very easily.
as for the ****'ness, you can think whatever u want( like tht matters to me b:bye).

Quilue - Sanctuary

I don't think I was defending my "group" of 105s as much as calling you a moron for accusing me of goon glitching to 101 on a 3 year old account. Anyways, keep bumbling at me with excuses just because you're unable to provide a logical argument. It's amusing.

Picexplorer - Heavens Tear

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

I don't think I was defending my "group" of 105s as much as calling you a moron for accusing me of goon glitching to 101 on a 3 year old account.

ok.
let me ask you this in counter question...
how does a punishment for goon glitching and changing your head size or getting an EG eye on your head can be compare...? *sigh*

Also, a question to pwi community...
if a player here does support this stupid punishment, would not you agree that the same player has glitched goons on his /her alt.....
Quile or watever the rat ****...my reason for calling u a glitcher, is simply because you people are so afraid of getting ban and losing your e-life that you start posting from your noob toons to support this type of dis-apt punishment.
ill rest all my arguements with you with only one sentence..go get a REAL b:byelife!..

MagicEmpress - Lost City

Some of you guys are over-reacting. There was no "cheating". This wasn't a **** or a bot.
If it was so bad why didn't they fix it right away?

BTW I didn't goon glitch or whatever it's called since I'm still 102 (and 50%) and not 104/105 so I'm not being defensive. I earned my 102 with 100s of trips through the damn cube and frost and BH 2s where you get the 660,000 XP brain orb.

Desdi - Sanctuary

I couldn't care less what they do to the 105s to be honest. It would be nice if we'd get an easier way to lvl up though because I know there's many of you who are interested in getting to lvl105.

WnbTank - Archosaur

MagicEmpress - Lost City wrote: »

Some of you guys are over-reacting. There was no "cheating". This wasn't a **** or a bot.
If it was so bad why didn't they fix it right away?

BTW I didn't goon glitch or whatever it's called since I'm still 102 (and 50%) and not 104/105 so I'm not being defensive. I earned my 102 with 100s of trips through the damn cube and frost and BH 2s where you get the 660,000 XP brain orb.

They didn't fix it cause of lack of competence. Ive long ago stopped wondering how horribly a game can be maintained - PWE manages another mistake a half trained monkey wouldn't do. Had PWE done nothing for it your argument would be solid but appareatly there was some spam over how it's forbidden.

I would like to ask PWE staff if they got any intention to fix the mess they created. As you didn't take away unfairly gained advantage, do you intend to fix the balance with the only possible way? You can only raise ppl to where glitchers are. Either you put goon glitch back and allow it, create new comparable xp instance to goons, create 200/500x hypers or put a button to ding from 100 to 105. You could even combine last one to raising level cap to 110 and redoing levels 100-105 xp wise. That would fix rankings as 105 became nothing and 110 would need the same effort as 105 was intended. Does it make sense to need less xp needed after 105 for 106-109? No but it really is the fairest and simplest way to fix the balance goon glitch created.

Kerona - Sanctuary

I miss the people who gooned more than I would miss many people in this thread if they finally quit and stopped QQing.

chaoticshelly

Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Mods should resign honestly.....can't see how the forums are if they lack GM activity.

Let me be blunt here - if it weren't for our presence in the forums on a daily basis, neither the company or its staff would be aware of half the things that are being brought here on the forums.

Yes, we're "forum police", but as members of this community and as people who play this game as well, we're the ones who bring anything and everything on the forums to Frankie and CS attention.

I doubt that without us, any of them would be posting on the forums even as rarely as they do.

Even with us being as disappointed as we are with the way this company has handled any and all issues with the game, we're still here moderating and keeping the forums intact. I remind everyone that we get no benefit from doing this, the thing that's keeping us here is the fact that unlike anyone else we can at least bring issues to the team's attention.

Although, it seems now that no matter how hard we try the company is going to eventually choose an easy path with no solution at all.

MistaBwanden - Sanctuary

Picexplorer - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Quile or watever the rat ****...my reason for calling u a glitcher, is simply because you people are so afraid of getting ban and losing your e-life that you start posting from your noob toons to support this type of dis-apt punishment.
ill rest all my arguements with you with only one sentence..go get a REAL b:byelife!..

It's funny how people say others need to get a life, yet themselves argue with another on the internet and also know nothing of the other persons life.

Elvenhawk - Heavens Tear

To be fair i couldnt care if goon Glitchers got a life time ban or nothing at all but i'd wished i'd glitched to 105 if i knew all i was gonna get is 7 day ban lol. When next glitch is found im gonna exploit that bad boy as all i will get is 7 days ban.

warcrafte

ok how would 1 week bann help us? we have been getting ruled by 105 sins for ages just cuz they had time 2 glitch what would help us is NUTFING THEIR LVLS i have been trying very hard to get 104 already at 10% o.2% from normal fc 0.4% from full !! and i think that every sin or any other player deserves this game 2 be fair so nurf the 105/104 to 103 since 103 was cap lvl at harshlands before glitch that would be the correct action 2 do .....cuz when those glitchers will come bk they will keep ruining our pvp !

exiledbm

so how long is this stupid ban going to last?

Seeperd - Heavens Tear

Wow - Tx for standing up for "us" Shelly - Nice to see a Mod saying what they feel is right.

+1000 in my book b:victory

warcrafte

well what about the idea of nurfing the lvl 105 lvls as a punishment is it possible can a gm give me his opinion about it?

Prothoe - Archosaur

oh hey, I've heard the banned players were really random as some of them didnt even exploit the glitch xD way to go.

Just the lesson for everyone, if you ever find out about some glitch, don't even care what ToS says about it, just glitch your *** off and in the end you might get close to none punishment at all.

Glitching your way to 105 for a 7 day ban was totally worth it. I regret i was too lazy back then

karmelia

MagicEmpress - Lost City wrote: »

If it was so bad why didn't they fix it right away?

Because they are unable to fix anything in this game.

Ex : monthly and yearly races were taken down because there was en exploit that allowed people to take shortcuts through the races. They never fixed them.

Ex : a veno, by flying over a mob and sending flying pet to attack can "glitch" it. The pet will do damage to the mob, but the mob will be frozen and will not fight back. They never fixed it, instead they said it was a "bannable offence". Yeah right, and glitching to 105 in FF is not.....

Monkeytoes - Sanctuary

Elvenhawk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

To be fair i couldnt care if goon Glitchers got a life time ban or nothing at all but i'd wished i'd glitched to 105 if i knew all i was gonna get is 7 day ban lol. When next glitch is found im gonna exploit that bad boy as all i will get is 7 days ban.

in a nutshell....this
how many people here would have also gooned to 105 if it hadn't been declared by the GMs to be bannable?
for most, it had nothing to with gear, or not having anyone to take them, etc...it had to with them not being willing to risk their accounts by doing so
personally, if I had known that this would be the outcome, I'd have taken the 7 day ban to get a few chars to 105

thenewclass

GMS PLZ BANN ME FOR 7 DAYS AND GIVE MY SIN LVL 105 if u don't mind

Psytrac - Dreamweaver

warcrafte wrote: »

well what about the idea of nurfing the lvl 105 lvls as a punishment is it possible can a gm give me his opinion about it?

it's impossible, the game measures increases each level. if they did that they would have to nurf every level or edit all the characters manually

Psytrac - Dreamweaver

Monkeytoes - Sanctuary wrote: »

personally, if I had known that this would be the outcome, I'd have taken the 7 day ban to get a few chars to 105

Agreed

X_trigger_X - Heavens Tear

The last game breaking glitch (I think) was that Jolly Jones thing a couple of years ago? My memory is fuzzy. Where people made billions of coins. Didn't they do a rollback of a few days then?

Back when PWI cared b:shutup

Psytrac - Dreamweaver

X_trigger_X - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The last game breaking glitch (I think) was that Jolly Jones thing a couple of years ago? My memory is fuzzy. Where people made billions of coins. Didn't they do a rollback of a few days then?

Back when PWI cared b:shutup

yes, they rolled back for JJ

MrFortySeven - Harshlands

@frankieraye: (Sorry, was going to PM you, but I'm guessing you don't take PMs?)



Ok, so you're telling me (and the rest of your player base) I may as well wipe my **** with your TOS??? You may not view it this way, but this IS what you are [indirectly] saying. Look at things from the other point of view! Here, I'll explain it for you. I had offers to join people in 'exploiting this glitch', although I declined figuring this could result in severe disciplinary action, not to mention it's simply morally wrong to me [to cheat]. So I sat by and watched as my server went from having NO players level 105, to that list [currently being at 60] ever since this 'glitch' became "public knowledge"...

So, now you're saying "Today, the very worst offenders of this glitch exploitation have been given a temporary ban". Are you serious!? You guys are THAT much of PUSH-OVERS that someone violates your TOS and you give them a TEMPORARY BAN!? (see "I may as well wipe my **** with your TOS???")! I would question if this has even really been done, but what does it matter? Someone gets their character to 105 via cheating and violating the TOS, and "oh here's a slap on the wrist, don't do it again"; yet they have characters that are maxed out already DUE to cheating and violating the TOS, no f***ing s**t they're not going to do it again (unless the level cap is ever raised, then they just may). These "BANS" in order to be effective NEED to be PERMANENT! Otherwise, again, you're telling me and the rest of your player-base that we may as well wipe our @$$es with your TOS, because if we violate any of it's terms [or cheat] we'll merely receive a "temporary ban"...

Then you go on to say "They have also been removed from the PWI Rankings Page." Which, either you're full of **** [all together], or you've missed some of the "very worst offenders of this glitch exploitation" [as you say], because there are people from my server that STILL appear on this list. Albeit they aren't 'friends' of mine (so I wouldn't know if they have received their "temporary ban" or not [again, see ~ "not that it matters"])... I personally wouldn't doubt that every ONE of the SIXTY people STILL on the list for my server abused this glitch to obtain level 105! I do not think it's merely a coincidence that NOBODY on my server was level 105 until this 'glitch' became "public knowledge", as soon as it did become "public knowledge" all of a sudden there is a "boat-load" of characters level 105! So, one may inquire, "well how do *I* know that they did indeed abuse the glitch"? Uhm it doesn't take a rocket scientist to send an in-game PM (private message) to some of these people, in which I have gotten some to directly admit it to me! It also wouldn't take a rocket scientist to know when these very people were advertising in world chat about "SFC" that they indeed 'abused' it as much as they could, and it's supposed to be just coincidence that they're now level 105. For real PWE? Are you guys THAT dumb, or do you think WE [the 'player-base'] ARE [that dumb]?

"we at PWE must take some of the blame for the glitch existing for as long as it did (4 months). For this reason we will not be banning anyone permanently for taking part in the exploitation." ~ This is all the reason you SHOULD be making ALL bans PERMANENT, because it lasted SO long. We went from having, what, TWO (2) characters that (possibly) legitimately obtained level 105 (ON & BETWEEN ALL OF THE SERVERS) before this glitch became "public knowledge". Now, all of a sudden after the glitch becomes "public knowledge" we have OVER 210 characters level 105, even AFTER you SUPPOSEDLY "took action" on "the very worst offenders of this glitch exploitation". SERIOUSLY!? Either you guys are dumb as f**k, or you think WE are! These "offenders of this glitch exploitation" (ALL of them) should have been DELETED accompanied by a letter from PWE saying "sorry it's our fault you actually made it all the way to 105 abusing a glitch that we weren't able to fix for four months" - "it is for this reason that we've had to REMOVE the character involved"... Again, either you guys are dumb as a box a rocks, or you think WE are! This again, reiterates that we may as well wipe our **** with your TOS because for something as serious as this you're handing out "temporary bans" instead of either physically deleting the characters, or permanent bans!?

"We apologize for the glitch lasting as long as it did, and for the amount of time it took to take action against those who took advantage of it." You haven't taken action. To say that is ridiculous. You've handed out a few slaps on a few wrists, IF you've even done THAT!? You've now told people [in a subconscious or subliminal way] that your TOS is worthless and we may as well wipe our **** with it! All I honestly "get" out of your post, is that if I ever have the opportunity to exploit ANYTHING in this game in the future, I should take advantage of it; because at worst you'll give me a "7 day ban" [you GD push-over]! Perfect example is a post I believe I recall seeing on the first page of this thread. A seeker named "FrostGlitch" who is 102. Said he was not banned... Is that character banned now? Oh wait, like I said earlier, what does it matter, because after 7 days he can go back where he left off at an 'illegally' obtained lv-102...

You then go on to finish off with "The state of PWI is very important to us". I KNOW I am NOT the ONLY person that thinks and feels everything I've stated above. In this case, if you truly cared about the 'state of PWI" it would have been better to say nothing at all, though it's too late for that, so now all you could do is delete this thread in its entirety (and hope the subject dies)! Unless of course you want people thinking:

#1 that your TOS is useless, and may as well be printed on Toilet Paper and used to wipe ourselves with!
#2 that you (the employees of PWE) are push-overs!
#3 that the employees of PWE are stupid, OR think WE (the player-base) are!

OR, you could actually turn around and provide this situation with true "justice" and physically delete, or permanently ban ALL 'glitching' TOS violators !!!

frankieraye wrote: »

Hey all,


As you many of you know, there was a major glitch last year that allowed players to level up much more quickly than was normally possible. It involved performing certain abilities on one of the Frostcovered City bosses, which caused it to spawn hundreds of minibosses instead of just two, which was the normal amount spawned.

Although it was immediately deemed a bannable offense, as it violated term 11(k) of our Terms of Service, many players continued to exploit this glitch throughout the four months that it existed on our servers.

Today, the very worst offenders of this glitch exploitation have been given a temporary ban on their characters. They have also been removed from the PWI Rankings Page. While the case has been made that more people should have been banned, and permanently, for their transgressions, the fact is that we at PWE must take some of the blame for the glitch existing for as long as it did (4 months). For this reason we will not be banning anyone permanently for taking part in the exploitation.

We apologize for the glitch lasting as long as it did, and for the amount of time it took to take action against those who took advantage of it. The state of PWI is very important to us, and we thank you for your patience and support as we do what we can to keep the game running as smoothly as possible.


-The PWI Team

Yogaxpto - Dreamweaver

frankieraye, not punishing the players that abused this glitch permanently means that we, the PWI players, don't need to obey to your TOS at all since you don't punish those that deserve to be punished.

And we are still able to glitch mobs in pq3 area. The only thing that stops us from not getting experience from that exploit is, essencially, nothing.

myssa311

I think the part that makes me mad the most is, Why did it take 4 months?

If it was taking so long, don't you think perhaps common sense from the PWI team would have been to shut that instance down till you fixed it. Or perhaps all the money you guys have been making off of us was taking too long to count and therefore you didn't realize there was a glitch in the Matrix.

Pardon my French but I busted my *** to 100 without exploiting FF over and over again to rush me to 100. I did it the old fashion way with quests and grinding. I understand not everyone is like that and to each his own but massive glitches like this should have been top priority and resolved IMMEDIATELY.

Plain and simple you would have been better off not saying anything at all then posting this pathetic attempt of "showing how you guys care," because to the grown-ups who play this game, all we see is clearly you just really don't give a sh*t about the people that are paying your salaries.


*Gets off Soap Box*

maocchi

Lol I know what this is really about... This isn't you trying to do what's right, it's you being self-righteous. If you truly cared about what you had allowed to go on for as long as it did, you'd have given the "worst offenders" severe punishment (perma ban or account deletion) and taken full responsibility for the massive complaints from the offenders and loss of players that you deserve coming to you. But no, instead you give them a short break from the game so they won't hate your guts and you don't lose some of the highest paying customers. In other words, you, the company running this game, is being ToS offenders' *****. So this is nothing new, it's PWE being PWE. Hey, why don't you go and add "unless you can pay" at the end of every lines in your ToS. At least then you'd be honest.

You make me sick.