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  • bladerunnerdm
    bladerunnerdm Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    nvm. i don't need data points, i extracted the real % data (integral parts) from elementclient ;)

    even when i think it's ridiculous to use rational formulas with a border value, i have to admit your formulas are correct (nice lucky hit)

    no idea why the developers choose linear functions for atk/def level and rationals for slay/ward level...

    you can find the integral values compared to your formular values here

    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I don't see why lazy people feel the need to criticize other people's results while doing no testing of their own.

    P.S. i don't wanna waste my time in-game for such things, not everyone is a bored r9
    honestly i wonder why i waste time discussing and extracting data from elementclient for calculations that nobody is interested in and which are totally useless, at least it took me just 30 minutes...
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    bladerunnerdm wrote: »
    i have to admit your formulas are correct (nice lucky hit)

    I'm fairly certain it had nothing to do with luck and everything to do with SCIENCE.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    The integer %-values are just used when displaying the % in your character info (in the tooltip when you hover over the value).

    When the damage is actually calculated it uses the exact formula.
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  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I'm fairly certain it had nothing to do with luck and everything to do with SCIENCE.

    science? true scientists exctract the formulas from the universeclientb:chuckle
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    science? true scientists exctract the formulas from the universeclientb:chuckle

    Ehh, I think he was just using cheat-engine or something to change the value on his client and seeing what the tooltip said his current % was. That only gives 2 decimal points of precision though which would still make it difficult to find the real formula. Using in-game tests you can easily measure the effect to 5 decimal points of precision which is 1,000 times more accurate.

    For the warding level test I used a Boulder Walker in Jungle Ruins which has a 999999 damage punch.
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  • bladerunnerdm
    bladerunnerdm Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I'm fairly certain it had nothing to do with luck and everything to do with SCIENCE.

    solving the equations is science, choosing the correct model is luck...
  • bladerunnerdm
    bladerunnerdm Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The integer %-values are just used when displaying the % in your character info (in the tooltip when you hover over the value).

    When the damage is actually calculated it uses the exact formula.

    i know that the integral parts are not used for calculation, but these values are good enough to detect the border value and to confirm your formular

    anyway even if the formula is unveiled who cares it's pretty useless and don't change anything
    i'm out of this thread
  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    bladerunnerdm wrote: »
    anyway even if the formula is unveiled who cares it's pretty useless and don't change anything
    i'm out of this thread

    So berated the method, dedicated time to attempting to prove it wrong or inefficient, complained about how you don't have time to dedicate to precision, and now you leave?

    At least you know when to call it quits.
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  • Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide
    Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide Posts: 934 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    So berated the method, dedicated time to attempting to prove it wrong or inefficient, complained about how you don't have time to dedicate to precision, and now you leave?

    At least you know when to call it quits.

    Well isn't that how most science is proven? By someone who believes otherwise trying to disprove the theory, only to further prove what they were trying to disprove? It's human nature to be a little disgruntled about being wrong when you were certain you were correct, but overall I'd say he handled himself in a much more mature manner than most do on here.
  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    bladerunnerdm wrote: »
    solving the equations is science, choosing the correct model is luck...

    Solving the equations is math. Choosing a model that fits the data is science, choosing/massaging the data to fit the model is junk science.
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  • Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide
    Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide Posts: 934 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Solving the equations is math. Choosing a model that fits the data is science, choosing/massaging the data to fit the model is junk science.

    mathematics is science...
  • FrostSwallow - Sanctuary
    FrostSwallow - Sanctuary Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Well isn't that how most science is proven? By someone who believes otherwise trying to disprove the theory, only to further prove what they were trying to disprove? It's human nature to be a little disgruntled about being wrong when you were certain you were correct, but overall I'd say he handled himself in a much more mature manner than most do on here.

    b:laugh
    when i read this i was thinking what would be if the earth is still assumed as plate and the sun rotating around it
  • Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide
    Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide Posts: 934 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    FrostSwallow - Sanctuary wrote: »
    b:laugh
    when i read this i was thinking what would be if the earth is still assumed as plate and the sun rotating around it

    I'm going to assume you meant to say flat instead of plate. Yes these are two examples of theories that were disproved. Although not everything turns out in such a manner.
  • ZoracGallant - Raging Tide
    ZoracGallant - Raging Tide Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I'm going to assume you meant to say flat instead of plate. Yes these are two examples of theories that were disproved. Although not everything turns out in such a manner.

    The Earth isn't flat b:shocked
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Ehh if you look at the way other damage effects are calculated in the game you can see that it only uses basic math of addition, subtraction, division, and multiplication. This is like 3rd grade math. This means you can assume there won't be any trig functions or square roots.

    I didn't really think it needed this much of a discussion especially when I gave my method and the spreadsheet I used in the first post on the subject. Anyone can cast a genie skill like Bramble Rage to confirm the result for slaying level. For Warding Level just get killed by the hands in TT / cube mob / jungle ruins mob and write down how much damage you take before and after.
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  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Well isn't that how most science is proven? By someone who believes otherwise trying to disprove the theory, only to further prove what they were trying to disprove? It's human nature to be a little disgruntled about being wrong when you were certain you were correct, but overall I'd say he handled himself in a much more mature manner than most do on here.

    It was less of a treatise on his behaviour and more of a subtle attempt at sarcasm. I retrospect, my levity was not that obvious.
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  • Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide
    Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide Posts: 934 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Ehh if you look at the way other damage effects are calculated in the game you can see that it only uses basic math of addition, subtraction, division, and multiplication. This is like 3rd grade math. This means you can assume there won't be any trig functions or square roots.

    I didn't really think it needed this much of a discussion especially when I gave my method and the spreadsheet I used in the first post on the subject. Anyone can cast a genie skill like Bramble Rage to confirm the result for slaying level. For Warding Level just get killed by the hands in TT / cube mob / jungle ruins mob and write down how much damage you take before and after.

    But this wouldn't be the PWI forums if trolling was not involved D:
  • Tsukyini - Raging Tide
    Tsukyini - Raging Tide Posts: 1,766 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »
    The Earth isn't flat b:shocked

    Of course the Earth is flat. Has some heretic been telling you otherwise?b:angry
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  • Jesusisback - Raging Tide
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Superepicmegaultraoneshotbump.
  • Belzeber - Raging Tide
    Belzeber - Raging Tide Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Jesusisblack - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Superepicmegaultraoneshotbump.

    I read that as Supermegaultrachicken.
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  • Jesusisback - Raging Tide
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Belzeber - Raging Tide wrote: »


    I read that as Supermegaultrachicken.

    b:laugh
  • Maelael - Heavens Tear
    Maelael - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,497 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Call me crazy (Sagek does), can this be stickied in the Quests section?
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  • Xainou - Sanctuary
    Xainou - Sanctuary Posts: 5,369 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Call me crazy (Sagek does), can this be stickied in the Quests section?

    He also calls me cute. b:surrender

    And yes. This thread deserves a sticky so bad.
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  • Jesusisback - Raging Tide
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Well this WILL be bumped by me until it gets sticked.

    +1 post count.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Moving it to a sticky in Quests forum is fine with me if a mod wants to do that.
    I kinda feel most people by now know this stuff already.
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  • SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver
    SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,225 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    I vote that this should be stickied. Its too effective not to be. It would help a lot of people if it were.
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  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    G15 - You can get this gear from your order. The full set is unlocked after obtaining 5,000 prestige. This gear comes with random stats that you can reroll by buying reroll mats with influence. The quality of the random adds is pretty high, it's on par with Nirvana G15 but don't expect to see any -interval anywhere. All of the weapons come with +60 Slaying Level.

    Actually, there's a -.05 interval bonus for having all 5 pieces of either heavy or light armor (-3% channel for arcane) according to pwdatabase.

    Which, if you went this route, would leave only tome, cape and ornaments (and weapon, if you didn't use the Morai weapon) as sources of additional interval.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Actually, there's a -.05 interval bonus for having all 5 pieces of either heavy or light armor (-3% channel for arcane) according to pwdatabase.

    You are technically correct.

    The BEST kind of correct.
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  • Jesusisback - Raging Tide
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Bump.

    Well guys i'm 20% away from 95 (should have been 95 WEEKS ago, but this toon has a mind of its own and doesn't like leveling) and i'll finally be able to join Corona. (woot?)

    Can't wait to try out the PvE daggers.

    +1 post count, ijs.
  • Jesusisback - Raging Tide
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Bump............b:pleased
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